US claims to have foiled a plot by Iran to kill the Saudi Ambassador

[Sinister Cultural Marxist]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-15266992


Iran agents 'planned US terror attacks'

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/51606000/jpg/_51606573_fa1d16c0-9c6c-4f82-b0b8-ab66ddd94f78.jpg
The US says it has broken up a major terror plot in which agents linked to Iran sought to assassinate the Saudi ambassador to Washington.
Two men originally from Iran - one a naturalised US citizen - have been charged with counts of conspiracy, Attorney General Eric Holder said.
The plot was "conceived" in Iran by the Quds force, part of Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps, he added.
The state department has listed Iran as a "state sponsor" of terror since 1984.


I would recommend on fueling up on gasoline immediately.

[Nox]

This reminds me of another accusation against a neighbouring oil-rich country that happened around a decade ago.

[Comrade Funk]

Obama would be an idiot to actually take military action against Iran. Would ruin his reelection.

Iran would be Iraq x100

[Art Vandelay]

Does anyone even believe what comes out of the U.S. anymore besides their citizens. God I hope not cause it utter rubbish. I would not doubt it if in a few years it is Iraq 2.0 with Iran. They are going to do whatever the want and will find phony reasons to back it up. What a fucking charade.

[Zealot]

Prepare for war guys... because we gonna go drop some peace bombs! Iran would stand a good chance against the U.S imo, their leaders may look stupid but they ain't.

[MattShizzle]

Obama would be an idiot to actually take military action against Iran. Would ruin his reelection.

Iran would be Iraq x100

Actually it would likely almost guarantee his reelection - by the time it started to go really bad and people would know it, he'd be reelected and couldn't run again anyway. I fucking hope not but it could happen. Fuck, 3 wars at once they might reintroduce the fucking draft. Shit could get really bad.

[Aleenik]

I don't see the US invading Iran anytime soon. Who knows for sure if the story is true, but imo the story seems like BS propaganda.

[Seth]

Iran, then Pakistan! Free the shit out of them Obomba!

[~Spectre]

Why would they try to kill a Saudi in Washington?

If they really wanted this particular guy dead, why not wait for him to return to Saudi Arabia?

Moreover what possible benefit could they get from killing this guy that would outweigh the potential for a furious Yankee retaliation?

This whole thing reeks of bullshit.

[~Spectre]

Fucking war mongers are already agitating all over TV. Republican candidates will try to flank Obama from the right later tonight at their own debate...add to that incentive to make Americans rally around the flag...FUCK.

[socialistjustin]

We are not going to war with Iran. The public is not ready for war again. Obama would be an idiot to give even more fuel to the OWS fire. He's not an idiot so we wont go to war.

What could happen is stronger sanctions and reaction from Tehran. Sinister Cultural Marxist could be right, it might be time to fill up the gas tanks.

[Manic Impressive]

Well one possible explanation that the BBC offered was that this was Iran showing the US that they know that they are weak and aren't the all powerful force that they used to be. I think that's the most plausible explanation I've heard so far, not saying it's the truth just plausible.

[GPDP]

Oh boy, here we go again.

Although to the people saying Obama would be an idiot to go to war with Iran - have we forgotten the necessities of imperialism? Sometimes presidents will do wildly unpopular shit, even if they know it will hurt them politically. The needs of global capitalism trump the individual whims of leaders time and time again.

[~Spectre]

Treasury Undersecretary David Cohen says the financial transactions at the heart of the alleged plot "lay bare the risk that banks and other institutions face in doing business with Iran."


http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jhqss5W7tR0OUowqq3ZfeeFWSnUg?docId=4657a5e88 8e04643bef294315d0c3dcc

[OHumanista]

Just when you think the US is running out of stupid claims they come with fresh new ones.:thumbup1:(seriously, war now would be damn stupid for Obama himself,even if corps made huge profits)

[GatesofLenin]

You know what, if this is true, let the freaking Saudis deal with it. They got money up the wazoooo! Spend some!

[Dzerzhinsky's Ghost]

Prepare for war guys... because we gonna go drop some peace bombs! Iran would stand a good chance against the U.S imo, their leaders may look stupid but they ain't.

Unless the US is suicidal, I highly doubt it, hardly anyone even supports the Iraq war no less the intervention in Libya. The idea of the US going to war with Iran in the current state of things seems both absurd and again suicidal. Granted, both Iran and Saudi Arabia have been competing each other for awhile and Iran has been engaged in a middle-finger contest with Israel for ages but I can't help but wonder if this was staged. I mean with all the "terror," round ups recently it seems very suspect. This would imply that US has intentions of going to war with Iran since I have read this could possibly be viewed as an "act of war," and this has been speculated upon a lot but still, it seems absurd and suicidal for America to do so given the depression, civil unrest, and growing isolationism. This could be friends helping out friends though, if you catch my meaning.

[Metacomet]

Unless the US is suicidal, I highly doubt it, hardly anyone even supports the Iraq war no less the intervention in Libya. The idea of the US going to war with Iran in the current state of things seems both absurd and again suicidal. Granted, both Iran and Saudi Arabia have been competing each other for awhile and Iran has been engaged in a middle-finger contest with Israel for ages but I can't help but wonder if this was staged. I mean with all the "terror," round ups recently it seems very suspect. This would imply that US has intentions of going to war with Iran since I have read this could possibly be viewed as an "act of war," and this has been speculated upon a lot but still, it seems absurd and suicidal for America to do so given the depression, civil unrest, and growing isolationism. This could be friends helping out friends though, if you catch my meaning.


We don't as a public support it now. Watch what happens in the next two weeks with the media repeating "Act of war" and "many casualties" over and over again. (add it to the baseline probably 25-30% who would support any war, any where for any reason)

[Die Rote Fahne]

There will be no war. Calm down people.

[Zealot]

I'm not a conspiracy theorist and it may well be the case that this is all true. But where is the outrage when Iranian scientists are assassinated or when the stuxnet worm paralyzed their Nuclear program, both which are now considered an act of war by the US.


Unless the US is suicidal, I highly doubt it, hardly anyone even supports the Iraq war no less the intervention in Libya. The idea of the US going to war with Iran in the current state of things seems both absurd and again suicidal. Granted, both Iran and Saudi Arabia have been competing each other for awhile and Iran has been engaged in a middle-finger contest with Israel for ages but I can't help but wonder if this was staged. I mean with all the "terror," round ups recently it seems very suspect. This would imply that US has intentions of going to war with Iran since I have read this could possibly be viewed as an "act of war," and this has been speculated upon a lot but still, it seems absurd and suicidal for America to do so given the depression, civil unrest, and growing isolationism. This could be friends helping out friends though, if you catch my meaning.

I understand what you're saying but one of the only things that saved us from the last recession was World War II. I expect imperialism to reach new heights in the coming decades, which I don't see as absurd at all. Time and again, capitalism rears its ugly head showing the world it doesn't care about what we think as long as it satisfies the desire for the accumulation of capital. People who think ending the wars is going to heal the economy are fooling themselves, war is probably what is keeping it going.

[Iron Felix]

The Iraq War was an enourmous success actually. Well, for the ruling classes that is but that's all that matters. Especially since there is basically no such thing as Iraq anymore, it's basically 3 regions loosely ruled by a puppet regime, the Shiite region, the Sunni region and the Kurd region. That and Saddam gone, plus more military bases in the Middle East. A war against Iran is going to be a huge success too.

Israel and America have been planning to move into Iran for a long time. At this point it's a matter of when, not if.

[Nox]

Iran could do some SERIOUS damage to the global economy.

They can easily cut off half of the world's oil supply whenever they want, and they probably will in the event of a US invasion.

Invading Iran would probably be the second most idiotic decision in history. (the first is launching a land invasion on Russia)

[Dunk]

Invading Iran would probably be the second most idiotic decision in history. (the first is launching a land invasion on Russia)

LfWDilXZQEo

[La Comédie Noire]

I doubt it was a fabricated assassination attempt.

[Thirsty Crow]

Iran could do some SERIOUS damage to the global economy.

They can easily cut off half of the world's oil supply whenever they want, and they probably will in the event of a US invasion.

I hope you're not implying that Iran possesses half of the existing oil reserves in the world.
Or did you mean that Iran is a major area through which pipelines and infrastructure is located? I wouldn't know enough about that, but can you point out any evidence for your claim (a source, an explanation, whatever)?

[tir1944]

Iran just can't wait to stop exporting oil,who needs petrodollars anyway...
But yeah,Iran would be a tough nut to crack.

[Kamos]

I doubt it was a fabricated assassination attempt.

So what would be the motive for the attempt?

[#FF0000]

Literally no one I spoke to at work believes this.

I mean, I doubt it was fake but it's gr8 to see so much distrust that people just take it as a given that the news is lying.

[La Comédie Noire]

So what would be the motive for the attempt?

No clue, the guy could not even be working with the Iranian government and the U.S. could be playing up his past involvement in the Revolutionary Guard.

We'll see.

[Nox]

I hope you're not implying that Iran possesses half of the existing oil reserves in the world.
Or did you mean that Iran is a major area through which pipelines and infrastructure is located? I wouldn't know enough about that, but can you point out any evidence for your claim (a source, an explanation, whatever)?

Iran practically controls the area of sea from which the oil from Iraq, Qatar, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia and the UAE is exported, not to mention that Iran itself has huge oil reserves.

[tir1944]

USA Airforce/Navy is,IMO,very much capable of destroying their anti-ship/AAA missile positions.Look at what they did in Libya...hundreds of SAM positions destroyed without the loss of a single(!) airplane.
Iran's position would improve greatly if they could get their hands on the S-300,but Russia has refused to sell it (most likely because of NATO pressure).

[Metacomet]

Literally no one I spoke to at work believes this.

I mean, I doubt it was fake but it's gr8 to see so much distrust that people just take it as a given that the news is lying.


Really? Everyone I know is pounding their chests screaming BY JINGO!!! Over this.

[piet11111]

USA Airforce/Navy is,IMO,very much capable of destroying their anti-ship/AAA missile positions.Look at what they did in Libya...hundreds of SAM positions destroyed without the loss of a single(!) airplane.
Iran's position would improve greatly if they could get their hands on the S-300,but Russia has refused to sell it (most likely because of NATO pressure).

I recall Iran having a deal with russia over the S-300 system but that under foreign pressure Russia is refusing to actually deliver the weapon systems.

Has anything changed recently ?

[TheGodlessUtopian]

The only way I can see the U.S getting involved in another military conflict in the middle east between Saudi Arabia and Iran would be if they sent back up to one of the participants in a hypothetical conflict between the two nations.Other than that nothing is going to happen.

[Nox]

This is exactly what will happen if the USA goes to war with Iran:

>Iran blockades the Persian gulf
>They come to a peace agreement

Iran has so much control over the global oil supply, I'm genuinely surprised that the USA isn't 'friends' with them.

[tir1944]

>Iran blockades the Persian gulf
>They come to a peace agreement
You sure?
What about,eh...18+ carriers (Iran don't have any),and military bases in S.Arabia,Iraq...the US Military can't wait to "unload" all these bombs somewhere (and "replenish" the stocks later)...

[TheGodlessUtopian]

This is exactly what will happen if the USA goes to war with Iran:

>Iran blockades the Persian gulf
>They come to a peace agreement

Iran has so much control over the global oil supply, I'm genuinely surprised that the USA isn't 'friends' with them.

Well,last I checked Iran was the most "pro-American" country in the middle east.

[tir1944]

Well,last I checked Iran was the most "pro-American" country in the middle east.
:confused::confused::confused:

[~Spectre]

:confused::confused::confused:

Their population actually was fairly fond of the U.S. a while back. They had a lot of progressive youths. Then Bush invaded Iraq.

[~Spectre]

This is exactly what will happen if the USA goes to war with Iran:

>Iran blockades the Persian gulf
>They come to a peace agreement

Iran has so much control over the global oil supply, I'm genuinely surprised that the USA isn't 'friends' with them.

Iran's blockade of the Persian gulf wouldn't last very long before getting mopped up by a U.S. fleet.

Iran could shoot missiles at Saudi oilfields, but that's a guaranteed way to get the fuck bombed out of you.

Iran could do a lot of damage, but Iran has no incentive to really do it short of a full Yankee invasion.

[~Spectre]

"Act of war" being thrown around:


WASHINGTON—The alleged Iranian plot to assassinate the Saudi Arabian ambassador to the United States may be an act of war against the U.S., the chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee said Wednesday.

"It may be," Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., told reporters when asked whether he considers the alleged scheme to be an act of war. "But I'd want to see what the implications of that characterization are before I use it."

At the least, Levin said, the alleged plan was "a damn serious threat to the United States." He said that either way, there should be a serious response by the U.S., but he declined to say what that response might be.

"It's in the United States, an alleged effort to assassinate somebody on our territory who, by the way, is an ambassador to the United States. So whether or not that constitutes an act of war against the United States" is a valid question, he said.

Rep. Michael McCaul, a Texas Republican who heads a Homeland Security subcommittee, said the alleged plan would be an act of war if it was sponsored by the Iranian government.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2011/10/12/a_top_senate_dem_says_iran_plot_may_be_act_of_war/

[tir1944]

Their population actually was fairly fond of the U.S. a while back.
Never heard of this...Source?

[Decolonize The Left]

I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but there's no way Iran sanctions this assassination attempt. It's just stupid. Iran has Saudi ambassadors in its own borders all the time, why not assassinate them there? It makes no sense to try and conduct this operation on US soil.

Furthermore, I don't put it past the US government to lie about this in the slightest. Remember the WMDs? That was open-faced lying to the US public by numerous members of the administration over the course of months. No reason why they wouldn't lie about this too.

- August

[Nox]

Iran's blockade of the Persian gulf wouldn't last very long before getting mopped up by a U.S. fleet.

Iran could shoot missiles at Saudi oilfields, but that's a guaranteed way to get the fuck bombed out of you.

Iran could do a lot of damage, but Iran has no incentive to really do it short of a full Yankee invasion.

I beg to differ.

If I was Ahmadinejad, I wouldn't even bother firing any missiles at anything. I'd just blockade the Persian Gulf and go to the negotiating table with the status quo.

Iran's Navy + Air Force is more than a match for the American fleet in the area, it would take weeks if not more than a month for America to make a proper military response that will actually solve the problem, and by then it would be far too late, the only option would be to go to the negotiating table.

Iran is in a very advantageous position at the moment, they are the military superpower and one of the economic superpowers in the region and have the ability to cut off at least half of the world's oil supply if not more. Even if that was done for just one day, the effects would be catastrophic, there would be no other option for the USA than to negotiate.

[tir1944]

I'd just blockade the Persian Gulf and go to the negotiating table with the status quo.:rolleyes::laugh:



Iran's Navy + Air Force is more than a match for the American fleet in the area, it would take weeks if not more than a month for America to make a proper response that will actually solve the problem, and by then it will be too late, the only option would be to go to the negotiating table. Problem:American bases in S.Arabia and Iraq.

Also
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suez_Crisis

[Zealot]

Even if the US did manage to topple the government, it's going to be another haven for extremist ideas and militias which is just going to make another long drawn out war.

[Zealot]

Well,last I checked Iran was the most "pro-American" country in the middle east.
Lolwut? Maybe in the 70's, this is 2011 now... They have military parades every year in which they march over the top of american flags and shoot them, doesn't sound very pro-american to me.

[Lenina Rosenweg]

Lolwut? Maybe in the 70's, this is 2011 now... They have military parades every year in which they march over the top of american flags and shoot them, doesn't sound very pro-american to me.

I think he meant the population, not the Iranian state.I don't have specific sources but it seemed that during the "Green Revolution" there was pro-US sentiment among middle class youth in Iran, for better or worse.China is like that today, many young people are fascinated by the US despite the PRC state. I'm not saying this is a good thing.

Its difficult to say what may really be going on. Its in the interest of imperialism to keep tensions high between Iran and the US and the sunni nations. A US war with Iran would create tremendous instability and the US ruling class does not want this right now. During the late Bush Administration, when Bush had extremely hostile rhetoric and it seemed there actually was a slide towards a US-Iranian war, a large number of active and retired US generals actually denounced a possible war, a dramatic event in the context of US politics.

[Rusty Shackleford]

for the last 3 years, Israel was 'about to bomb iran' mostly over the Bushehr plant. The plant is up and running. There have been cyber attacks and sanctions against iran. Either the west and the entity are just sabre rattling or maybe in a few years shit could boil over.

i really doubt a new war is coming in the immediate future though. The case against Iran is very weak.

[Nox]

:rolleyes::laugh:

Problem:American bases in S.Arabia and Iraq.

Also
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suez_Crisis


Like I said, Iran's Navy + Air Force is more than enough to render the American bases in the area useless.

Iran isn't like Iraq, they have a very strong economy despite all the restrictions, they have an extremely strategically advantageous geographical position, and they are the regional military superpower.

I don't think you can comprehend the catastrophic affect that a blockade of the Persian gulf would have on the global economy if it were done for just a single day, let alone a few days, let alone a week, let alone a few weeks.

It is not in America's best interests to get involved in a war with Iran, this conflict will never escelate above petty propaganda and accusations.

[Devrim]

i really doubt a new war is coming in the immediate future though. The case against Iran is very weak.

I agree. I don't think that there will be war between the US and Iran. I don't think it has anything to do with any 'case' though. It has more to do with military capabilities.

Devrim

[tir1944]

Like I said, Iran's Navy + Air Force is more than enough to render the American bases in the area useless.
Lol no,where are you getting this shit from? S.Arabia ALONE has like 150+ F-15s plus many other modern aircrafts.
Iran's most advanced plane is the MiG-29 and they have only around 40 of these.

[Metacomet]

Reminds me of how the media talks about X number of this helicopter and what their favorite one is. :rolleyes:

Won't mean snot during a streetfight in Tehran, which would probably make Baghdad or Fallujah look like a walk in the park.

[tir1944]

Won't mean snot during a streetfight in Tehran, which would probably make Baghdad or Fallujah look like a walk in the park. Do you think NATO would go into steetfights in Teheran?
FYI we were discussing a hypoth. situation where Iran tried to blockade the Persian Gulf.
NATO would blast their airforce,AAA and anti-ship missiles emplacements and commence massive bombing attacks against ind./infr. etc in order to make Iran sign a ceasefire.
End of the story.
Also:see '99 Kosovo War.

[piet11111]

NATO could just use tomahawks to blast Iran into submission without the S-300 they are defenseless against those.

However Iran can just refuse to fight army to army and instead have its military waiting for the occupation forces and fight them in one hell of a guerrilla war.

[RadioRaheem84]

Well,last I checked Iran was the most "pro-American" country in the middle east.


The youth are very pro-Western but anti-intervention. They wouldn't welcome US tanks in Terhan but they would be welcoming of their help via proxy.

They would welcome a color revolution.

[DaringMehring]

1) This sounds like an invented provocation. Probably tied up with the CIA, double-agents, useful patsies; the usual smoke and mirrors.

2) The US is militarily overdrawn and can't fight Iran right now. Iran would be a bigger operation than any of our existing ones, and we're having enough trouble with those.

3) The purpose is probably two-fold:

a) keep anti-Iran sentiment high, so the ruling class always has an option to attack Iran with some popular support. In other words, keeping their options open. This is like when a manager writes up a worker for fabricated violations in order to establish a record of discipline, so that if they want to, later they can fire them more easily.

b) provide fodder for hawks. Strengthen the hand of hawks, so that Republicans can still align themselves to the right of Obama, who is seen as "strong" on foreign policy. And militaristic Obama gets to be perceived as "reasonable," for not making a bloody retaliation.

This is a small act of the state apparatus of the ruling class toward these goals. But Rome wasn't built in a day.

[danyboy27]

In theory the U.S could blow up Iran airforce and sam site in a blink of an eye, but that not where the problem is.

They got a shitload of small arms and explosive, and they got contacts all over the middle east, if they really wanted to, they could compromise the security of all the U.S military installation by shipping crate of missiles and .50 caliber sniper rifles and sending advisors to basically everyone who have a grudge with the U.S

[Nox]

Lol no,where are you getting this shit from? S.Arabia ALONE has like 150+ F-15s plus many other modern aircrafts.
Iran's most advanced plane is the MiG-29 and they have only around 40 of these.

Even if they have superiority over the Iranian Navy + Air Force, it will still take at the very least a week, if not a few weeks for the blockade to be forcibly removed.

And even so, what you're saying is implying that Saudi Arabia will declare war on Iran, which they most likely won't.

And as someone else said, if this escelates to a land war, it will make Iraq look like a walk in the park.

I don't know why we're discussing this though, it's obvious that it will never escelate to a land war and any war with Iran will never happen either seeing as it goes against America's political and economic interests.

[chegitz guevara]

Oh boy, here we go again.

Although to the people saying Obama would be an idiot to go to war with Iran - have we forgotten the necessities of imperialism? Sometimes presidents will do wildly unpopular shit, even if they know it will hurt them politically. The needs of global capitalism trump the individual whims of leaders time and time again.

How does global capitalism require this?

[Le Rouge]

Now that USA have a Casus belli, it's time to "install democracy in Iran" the american way!

[Lenina Rosenweg]

The youth are very pro-Western but anti-intervention. They wouldn't welcome US tanks in Terhan but they would be welcoming of their help via proxy.

They would welcome a color revolution.

Middle class youth seem to be heavily pro-US. I have no idea if this extends to working class youth. When the Green Revolution protests began spreading to working class neighborhoods in Tehran is when the government applied the worst of the crackdown.

The Iranian working class does not appear enthusiastic about Achmanijad. He was originally a right wing populist, a man of the people but living standards have declined on his watch. On the hand workers know they have even worse to expect with Moussavi, the protege of Rafsfanjani.

The Casipian Sea oil workers are what finally brought down the Shah. Of course tragically the revolution was hijacked. he Tudeh in their failure to call for socialism bears much of the blame for this.I don't know but I would imagine the oil industry today is highly militarized to prevent any repetition. of the late 70s.

[~Spectre]

Like I said, Iran's Navy + Air Force is more than enough to render the American bases in the area useless.

You're being very silly.

The most powerful force in the region is stationed right in Bahrain, and it's called the U.S. fifth fleet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Fifth_Fleet

They've calculated the exact scenario various times in various war games. Iran is well aware that attacking the oil supply would be a U.S. "redline" would probably result in serious military bombardment, and the loss of most of their Naval and Airforce.



It is not in America's best interests to get involved in a war with Iran, this conflict will never escelate above petty propaganda and accusations.

I agree, but that's because of cost-benefit, not because Iran's navy will be anything more than target practice.

[Nox]

You're being very silly.

The most powerful force in the region is stationed right in Bahrain, and it's called the U.S. fifth fleet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Fifth_Fleet

Regardless of how strong the navy is, the blockade will easily hold up for at least a few days, that's enough to do some serious damage to the global economy.


They've calculated the exact scenario various times in various war games. Iran is well aware that attacking the oil supply would be a U.S. "redline" would probably result in serious military bombardment, and the loss of most of their Naval and Airforce.

And the USA is well aware that attacking Iran will not turn out to be a good choice, no matter how you look at it.

That is why they will never attack Iran. I'll gladly bet everything I own on it.


I agree, but that's because of cost-benefit, not because Iran's navy will be anything more than target practice.

Oh no, if the USA wanted to invade Iran for profit, they could easily do so, Iran has some of the largest oil and gas reserves in the world. The American government made trillions of dollars of profit from invading Iraq, even though they spent alot of money invading and taking over. The benefits of invading Iran will be far greater than the costs.

The reason it would not be in the USA's interests is because:

a) Iran is in a very important geopolitical area, it would be best to get them on side.

b) Although the USA's military is certainly superior, Iran does have a very large, strong military with the potential to do alot of damage. I doubt the USA would even win if they launched a land invasion, it would be another Vietnam where they fail horribly.

c) Iran has a shitload of oil, as well as control of at least half the world's oil supply via the Gulf of Persia.

[RadioRaheem84]

Middle class youth seem to be heavily pro-US. I have no idea if this extends to working class youth. When the Green Revolution protests began spreading to working class neighborhoods in Tehran is when the government applied the worst of the crackdown.

The Iranian working class does not appear enthusiastic about Achmanijad. He was originally a right wing populist, a man of the people but living standards have declined on his watch. On the hand workers know they have even worse to expect with Moussavi, the protege of Rafsfanjani.

The Casipian Sea oil workers are what finally brought down the Shah. Of course tragically the revolution was hijacked. he Tudeh in their failure to call for socialism bears much of the blame for this.I don't know but I would imagine the oil industry today is highly militarized to prevent any repetition. of the late 70s.


I was also astonished to see the middle class and upper middle class youth be so pro-American. There are a lot of student groups that have been co-opted by the Republicans here. A lot more are Exiled monarchist fronts.

[~Spectre]

Regardless of how strong the navy is, the blockade will easily hold up for at least a few days, that's enough to do some serious damage to the global economy.

No.


And the USA is well aware that attacking Iran will not turn out to be a good choice, no matter how you look at it.

The U.S. has attacked Iran several times in several countries. U.S. special ops have been attacking Iran's revolutionary guard in various client states, the U.S. and Israel have been slaughtering Iran's nuclear scientists, and often during the Iraq war the U.S. would forget exactly where the border is.



Iran is in a very important geopolitical area, it would be best to get them on side.

The U.S. doesn't want Iran on its side. Iran fully reached out to mend relations with the U.S. after 9/11, and the U.S. rejected them and put them on a global hitlist.

The U.S. doesn't forgive defiance, even if it's decades ago. See the embargo on Cuba.


Iran has a shitload of oil, as well as control of at least half the world's oil supply via the Gulf of Persia.

I don't think control means what you think it means. If they control it, then the United States "controls" it even more.