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Mazzen
2nd November 2003, 16:26
What's the political agenda of the green party? Are they pro-capitalist? Chau.

Bianconero
2nd November 2003, 16:34
The Green 'movement' is a result of pseudo - intellectual bourgeois theorists uniting with capitalist economists and apolitical environmentalists.

That's what I wrote elsewhere and it's still true.

Pete
2nd November 2003, 16:47
It depends on which Green Party you are referring too.

In Canada (perhpas only in Ontario) it is for social and environmental justice, mass decentralization (direct democracy), a complete change in economics and social order: capital in the hands of the people not the corporations. The individual is the ruling class. Since we are all individuals we are thus all part of the ruling class, therefore no class.

I get the feeling, though, from other people that this is not universal.

stonerboi
2nd November 2003, 16:54
Green Parties in any country are anti-working class and pro-capitalist.

The whole ideology of the Green movement is based on the following:

* That all people (not governments/big business) are at fault. The Greens REJECT the class struggle and believe that capitalism can be made more humane and ecologically friendly.

* The Greens defend capitalist 'democracy' of the parliamentary type. They hate all socialist systems and reject the dictatorship of the proletariat and they are fooled into thinking that capitalism gives us 'choices' and that we have the 'power' to change things. They buy the bullshit propganda that many others take from the capitalist lie machine (the media).

* The greens do not consider private property to be a problem for society or the root cause of oppression.

* The Greens reject any class analysis of society.

* In Britain, the Greens usually stand AGAINST a socialist/communist candidate and are more than happy to work with capitalist parties and share in the corrupt fruits of office. Just look at the sorry state of Germany. The German Greens are in coalition with the social democrats and they have supported government attempts to cutback on welfare spending and they support privitisation.

Greens are just made up of middle class liberals, social democrats, reformists and a few politically immature students who think they are making a statement. Greens have no interest in the REAL issues that affect peoples lives like standards of living or poverty and this can be attributed to the fact that they are all middle class and don't give a shit about anyone below them on the social ladder.

Bianconero
2nd November 2003, 17:05
Neat post stonerboi, very decent analysis I agree with 100%.

RBG Soldier
2nd November 2003, 17:06
Like stonerboi the green party ain't for the people. They about money, just some fucking liberals. Fuck the system, you can't trust these bastards in power for fucking nothing. They have you'll ass think we (poor working class people) making progress when we ain't move one bit. The Green Party is about that GREEN(i.e MONEY) thats it's secret name THE MONEY PARTY, cause they about that paper and they ain't giving it to the people.

Invader Zim
2nd November 2003, 17:18
Thats all crap, true you do get capitalistic green's, but you also get socialist greens in equil abundance, they have no specific social agenda, other that focusing on the longterm protection of the enviroment, which many consider to be the future of socioty.

US green partys key value's, they have a selection of both left and right principals.

1. GRASSROOTS DEMOCRACY
Every human being deserves a say in the decisions that affect their lives and not be subject to the will of another. Therefore, we will work to increase public participation at every level of government and to ensure that our public representatives are fully accountable to the people who elect them. We will also work to create new types of political organizations which expand the process of participatory democracy by directly including citizens in the decision-making process.

2. SOCIAL JUSTICE AND EQUAL OPPORTUNITY
All persons should have the rights and opportunity to benefit equally from the resources afforded us by society and the environment. We must consciously confront in ourselves, our organizations, and society at large, barriers such as racism and class oppression, sexism and homophobia, ageism and disability, which act to deny fair treatment and equal justice under the law.

3. ECOLOGICAL WISDOM
Human societies must operate with the understanding that we are part of nature, not separate from nature. We must maintain an ecological balance and live within the ecological and resource limits of our communities and our planet. We support a sustainable society which utilizes resources in such a way that future generations will benefit and not suffer from the practices of our generation. To this end we must practice agriculture which replenishes the soil; move to an energy efficient economy; and live in ways that respect the integrity of natural systems.

4. NON-VIOLENCE
It is essential that we develop effective alternatives to society’s current patterns of violence. We will work to demilitarize, and eliminate weapons of mass destruction, without being naive about the intentions of other governments. We recognize the need for self-defense and the defense of others who are in helpless situations. We promote non-violent methods to oppose practices and policies with which we disagree, and will guide our actions toward lasting personal, community and global peace.

5. DECENTRALIZATION
Centralization of wealth and power contributes to social and economic injustice, environmental destruction, and militarization. Therefore, we support a restructuring of social, political and economic institutions away from a system which is controlled by and mostly benefits the powerful few, to a democratic, less bureaucratic system. Decision-making should, as much as possible, remain at the individual and local level, while assuring that civil rights are protected for all citizens.

6. COMMUNITY-BASED ECONOMICS AND ECONOMIC JUSTICE
We recognize it is essential to create a vibrant and sustainable economic system, one that can create jobs and provide a decent standard of living for all people while maintaining a healthy ecological balance. A successful economic system will offer meaningful work with dignity, while paying a “living wage” which reflects the real value of a person’s work.

Local communities must look to economic development that assures protection of the environment and workers’ rights; broad citizen participation in planning; and enhancement of our “quality of life.” We support independently owned and operated companies which are socially responsible, as well as co-operatives and public enterprises that distribute resources and control to more people through democratic participation.

7. FEMINISM AND GENDER EQUITY
We have inherited a social system based on male domination of politics and economics. We call for the replacement of the cultural ethics of domination and control with more cooperative ways of interacting that respect differences of opinion and gender. Human values such as equity between the sexes, interpersonal responsibility, and honesty must be developed with moral conscience. We should remember that the process that determines our decisions and actions is just as important as achieving the outcome we want.

8. RESPECT FOR DIVERSITY
We believe it is important to value cultural, ethnic, racial, sexual, religious and spiritual diversity, and to promote the development of respectful relationships across these lines.

We believe that the many diverse elements of society should be reflected in our organizations and decision-making bodies, and we support the leadership of people who have been traditionally closed out of leadership roles. We acknowledge and encourage respect for other life forms than our own and the preservation of biodiversity.

9. PERSONAL AND GLOBAL RESPONSIBILITY
We encourage individuals to act to improve their personal well-being and, at the same time, to enhance ecological balance and social harmony. We seek to join with people and organizations around the world to foster peace, economic justice, and the health of the planet.

10. FUTURE FOCUS AND SUSTAINABILITY
Our actions and policies should be motivated by long-term goals. We seek to protect valuable natural resources, safely disposing of or “unmaking” all waste we create, while developing a sustainable economics that does not depend on continual expansion for survival. We must counterbalance the drive for short-term profits by assuring that economic development, new technologies, and fiscal policies are responsible to future generations who will inherit the results of our actions.


http://www.gp.org/tenkey.html

Umoja
2nd November 2003, 19:04
To my knowledge, the Green Party USA is the only political party since the Black Panthers to advocate Reparations (for Blacks as well as Native Americans).

Pete
2nd November 2003, 19:52
Enigma is correct, that is also the base of the Green Party of Canada's platform. Greens cannot be capitalist and still be green. Ecological justice goes hand in hand with economic justice, with socail justice. Any platform that excludes one is serverly lacking.

PeacefulAnarchy
2nd November 2003, 20:02
Last time I was in DC I stayed with a guy who works for Ralph Nader, who is a well known green party person. He works non stop on issues such as Engima put up. One right now is the open debates for presidential canidates. Another was getting funding for DC libraries in order for more books to be available and make a smarter society. But he does it all from grassroots level and has the people doing it. He basically just gets the ball running and the people get the stuff done. Green Party, in the US atleast, is the only decent party that exists and most likely the only one I'd vote for.

Dr. Rosenpenis
2nd November 2003, 21:03
The issues that Enigma put up are extremely vague. Even a hardcore republican could agree with most of that crap.

Marxist in Nebraska
2nd November 2003, 21:36
The Greens in the U.S. are basically a party more liberal than the "Democratic" Party. They are not particularly radical--the philosophy is essentially reformist. Some individual Greens, though, are somewhat more radical.

SonofRage
2nd November 2003, 22:16
The Green Party in the US is a mix of people. If you look at their platform, it's almost identical to the Socialist Party USA with the exception that they don't denounce capitalism. I don't know if it's really fair to say they are reformers, a lot of their agenda is major change (again I'm speaking of the US Greens).

A lot of Greens, including myself, can be describes as political watermelons: Green on the outside, Red on the inside. :D

Severian
2nd November 2003, 22:43
Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2003, 12:18 PM
Thats all crap, true you do get capitalistic green's, but you also get socialist greens in equil abundance, they have no specific social agenda, other that focusing on the longterm protection of the enviroment, which many consider to be the future of socioty.

US green partys key value's, they have a selection of both left and right principals.

1. GRASSROOTS DEMOCRACY
Every human being deserves a say in the decisions that affect their lives and not be subject to the will of another. Therefore, we will work to increase public participation at every level of government and to ensure that our public representatives are fully accountable to the people who elect them. We will also work to create new types of political organizations which expand the process of participatory democracy by directly including citizens in the decision-making process.

2. SOCIAL JUSTICE AND EQUAL OPPORTUNITY
All persons should have the rights and opportunity to benefit equally from the resources afforded us by society and the environment. We must consciously confront in ourselves, our organizations, and society at large, barriers such as racism and class oppression, sexism and homophobia, ageism and disability, which act to deny fair treatment and equal justice under the law.

3. ECOLOGICAL WISDOM
Human societies must operate with the understanding that we are part of nature, not separate from nature. We must maintain an ecological balance and live within the ecological and resource limits of our communities and our planet. We support a sustainable society which utilizes resources in such a way that future generations will benefit and not suffer from the practices of our generation. To this end we must practice agriculture which replenishes the soil; move to an energy efficient economy; and live in ways that respect the integrity of natural systems.

4. NON-VIOLENCE
It is essential that we develop effective alternatives to society’s current patterns of violence. We will work to demilitarize, and eliminate weapons of mass destruction, without being naive about the intentions of other governments. We recognize the need for self-defense and the defense of others who are in helpless situations. We promote non-violent methods to oppose practices and policies with which we disagree, and will guide our actions toward lasting personal, community and global peace.

5. DECENTRALIZATION
Centralization of wealth and power contributes to social and economic injustice, environmental destruction, and militarization. Therefore, we support a restructuring of social, political and economic institutions away from a system which is controlled by and mostly benefits the powerful few, to a democratic, less bureaucratic system. Decision-making should, as much as possible, remain at the individual and local level, while assuring that civil rights are protected for all citizens.

6. COMMUNITY-BASED ECONOMICS AND ECONOMIC JUSTICE
We recognize it is essential to create a vibrant and sustainable economic system, one that can create jobs and provide a decent standard of living for all people while maintaining a healthy ecological balance. A successful economic system will offer meaningful work with dignity, while paying a “living wage” which reflects the real value of a person’s work.

Local communities must look to economic development that assures protection of the environment and workers’ rights; broad citizen participation in planning; and enhancement of our “quality of life.” We support independently owned and operated companies which are socially responsible, as well as co-operatives and public enterprises that distribute resources and control to more people through democratic participation.

7. FEMINISM AND GENDER EQUITY
We have inherited a social system based on male domination of politics and economics. We call for the replacement of the cultural ethics of domination and control with more cooperative ways of interacting that respect differences of opinion and gender. Human values such as equity between the sexes, interpersonal responsibility, and honesty must be developed with moral conscience. We should remember that the process that determines our decisions and actions is just as important as achieving the outcome we want.

8. RESPECT FOR DIVERSITY
We believe it is important to value cultural, ethnic, racial, sexual, religious and spiritual diversity, and to promote the development of respectful relationships across these lines.

We believe that the many diverse elements of society should be reflected in our organizations and decision-making bodies, and we support the leadership of people who have been traditionally closed out of leadership roles. We acknowledge and encourage respect for other life forms than our own and the preservation of biodiversity.

9. PERSONAL AND GLOBAL RESPONSIBILITY
We encourage individuals to act to improve their personal well-being and, at the same time, to enhance ecological balance and social harmony. We seek to join with people and organizations around the world to foster peace, economic justice, and the health of the planet.

10. FUTURE FOCUS AND SUSTAINABILITY
Our actions and policies should be motivated by long-term goals. We seek to protect valuable natural resources, safely disposing of or “unmaking” all waste we create, while developing a sustainable economics that does not depend on continual expansion for survival. We must counterbalance the drive for short-term profits by assuring that economic development, new technologies, and fiscal policies are responsible to future generations who will inherit the results of our actions.


http://www.gp.org/tenkey.html
Well, I looked through that, and I don't see anything recognizing capitalism as the problem. Lots of hopes which can't actually be realized under capitalism, but nothing about getting rid of capitalism.

The "decentralization" stuff, at most would mean lots of little capitalists rather than a few big capitalists. Which is unrealizable, as it runs counter to the overall direction of development of capitalism. And undesirable, because small capitalists are usually even more exploitive than big ones - and more environmentally careless. In order to compete, survive, stay in business, they can't afford to pay decent wages or carefully dispose of their wastes.

And the concentration of capital into a few corporations paves the way for taking over that capital more easily after the revolution.

The environment cannot be protected under capitalism. By its nature, capitalism puts profit first and everything else afterwards. Capitalists will always find some way to get around environmental regulations, which are poorly enforced anyway.

A nationalized, planned economy doesn't automatically mean the environment will be protected. If the planners and decision-makers are a few bureaucrats who don't make the environment a priority, it won't be protected, as in the Soviet Union.

But a planned economy does make it possible to protect the environment, opens the door for that possibility. If working people are set the priorities of the economy. We can make the decision to protect the environment.

Under capitalism, that can't happen, no matter what people wish for.

Marxist in Nebraska
2nd November 2003, 23:01
Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2003, 05:16 PM
The Green Party in the US is a mix of people. If you look at their platform, it's almost identical to the Socialist Party USA with the exception that they don't denounce capitalism. I don't know if it's really fair to say they are reformers, a lot of their agenda is major change (again I'm speaking of the US Greens).

A lot of Greens, including myself, can be describes as political watermelons: Green on the outside, Red on the inside. :D
Is not an overt attack on capitalism a considerable difference in party platform? I think it makes a difference.

And I love that line--political watermelons! That is a great description, and fairly accurate for some (though unfortunately, not all) Greens.

Pete
2nd November 2003, 23:23
The issues that Enigma put up are extremely vague. Even a hardcore republican could agree with most of that crap.

I disagree. Read them, any righty would be appalled by it.

Dr. Rosenpenis
2nd November 2003, 23:31
which numbers?
Republican leaders are so damn vague when they say stuff, that the followers hardly know what to follow. To them, everything is entirely subjective. So you can ask a republican if they dislike Stalin, and they'll probably be like, "Well... not necessarily". In fact, this can be said for all American politics.

Umoja
3rd November 2003, 00:43
The Greens aren't exactly Capitalist nor are they exactly socialist. They are the closest thing to a "transition party" for America. If they gain power, then Socialist will start to gain power, because of it's gradual progression to the left.

Also, they don't use "anti-capitalism" because they would alienate many people unintentionally. They want to be with the people, regardless of terminology.

Dr. Rosenpenis
3rd November 2003, 02:07
Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2003, 08:43 PM
The Greens aren't exactly Capitalist nor are they exactly socialist. They are the closest thing to a "transition party" for America. If they gain power, then Socialist will start to gain power, because of it's gradual progression to the left.
True


Also, they don't use "anti-capitalism" because they would alienate many people unintentionally. They want to be with the people, regardless of terminology.

You're implying that according to the terminology used, they are not for the people, but according to their intentions, they are. This ain't true. according to them, they are for the people, but in reality tehy're still anti-people capitalists.

SonofRage
3rd November 2003, 02:19
Here's a snippet from the economic section of their platform (http://www.gp.org/platform/2000/index.html#eco):



To create an enduring society, we must devise a system of production and commerce where every act is sustainable and restorative. We believe that all business has a social contract with society and the environment (in effect a “fiduciary responsibility”), and that “socially responsible business” and “shareholder democracy” can be models of prospering, successful business.



1. We call for an economic system that is based on a combination of private businesses, decentralized democratic cooperatives, publicly owned enterprises, and alternative economic structures, all of which put human and ecological needs alongside profits to measure success, and are accountable to the communities in which they function.

2. Community-based economics constitutes an alternative to both corporate capitalism and state socialism. It is very much in keeping with the Greens’ valuation of diversity and decentralization.

Recognition of limits is central to a Green economic orientation. The drive to accumulate power and wealth must become recognized for what it is, a pernicious characteristic of a civilization headed, ever more rapidly, in a pathological direction. Greens advocate that economic relations become more

direct, more cooperative, and more egalitarian.

Humanizing economic relations is just one aspect of our broader objective: to consciously and deliberately (albeit gradually) shift toward a different way of life – characterized by sustainability, regionalization, a more harmonious balance between the natural ecosphere and the human-made technosphere, and a revival of community life.

Our communitarian perspective is antithetical to both Big Business and Big Government. It distinguishes the Greens and will enable us to make a unique contribution toward deriving political and economic solutions for the 21st century.

3. Greens support a major redesign of commerce. We endorse “true-cost pricing.” We support production that eliminates waste. In natural systems, everything is a meal for something else. Everything recycles, there is no “waste.” We need to mimic natural systems in the way we manufacture and produce things. “Consumables” need to be designed to be thrown into a compost heap and/or eaten, for example. “Durable goods” would be designed in closed-loop systems, ultimately to be disassembled and reassembled. “Toxics” would be safeguarded and could have “markers” identifying them as belonging, in perpetuity, to their makers.

4. We need to remake commerce to encourage diversity and variety, responding to the enormous complexity of global and local conditions. Big business is not about appropriateness and adaptability, but about power and market control. Greens support small business, responsible “stakeholder capitalism,” and broad and diverse forms of economic cooperation. We argue that economic diversity is more responsive than big business to the needs of diverse human populations. Sustaining our quality of life, eco-nomic prosperity, environmental health, and long-term survival demands that we adopt new ways of doing business.

5. Greens support a definition of sustainability where we openly examine the economy as a part of the ecosystem, not as an isolated subset in which nothing but “resources” come in and products and waste go out and never the economy and the real world shall meet.

Umoja
3rd November 2003, 20:27
They are pro-people but they rather call themselves "People for Social/Ecological Betterment" then "Moderate Leftwing Anti-Capitalist", if they ARE anti-capitalist, I really don't think what they call themselves matters.

Saint-Just
3rd November 2003, 21:58
Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2003, 06:18 PM
Thats all crap, true you do get capitalistic green's, but you also get socialist greens in equil abundance, they have no specific social agenda, other that focusing on the longterm protection of the enviroment, which many consider to be the future of socioty.

US green partys key value's, they have a selection of both left and right principals.

2. SOCIAL JUSTICE

5. DECENTRALIZATION

6. COMMUNITY-BASED ECONOMICS AND ECONOMIC JUSTICE
We recognize it is essential to create a vibrant and sustainable economic system, one that can create jobs and provide a decent standard of living for all people while maintaining a healthy ecological balance. A successful economic system will offer meaningful work with dignity, while paying a “living wage” which reflects the real value of a person’s work.

Local communities must look to economic development that assures protection of the environment and workers’ rights; broad citizen participation in planning; and enhancement of our “quality of life.” We support independently owned and operated companies which are socially responsible, as well as co-operatives and public enterprises that distribute resources and control to more people through democratic participation.
co-operatives and public enterprises

You cannot tell, they would have to be more specific than simply mentioning some kind of existence of these two things to affirm them as socialists.

In addition, Decentralisation does not really invite public enterprises, or at least in a way that has not previously been tried. And social justice is a word that social democrats like to use. They may be very moderate socialists, but to Marxist-Leninists they are a liberal, capitalist movement, I think the analysis Bianconero and stonerboi made are fitting.

Marxist in Nebraska
3rd November 2003, 23:37
Originally posted by Chairman [email protected] 3 2003, 04:58 PM
And social justice is a word that social democrats like to use.
When people ask me about the Greens, I generally say that they are about the equivalent of a Western European Social Democratic Party. I am glad to see I am not the only one who sees that.

SonofRage
4th November 2003, 00:12
Originally posted by Marxist in [email protected] 3 2003, 06:37 PM
When people ask me about the Greens, I generally say that they are about the equivalent of a Western European Social Democratic Party. I am glad to see I am not the only one who sees that.
You'd think they would be equivalent to all the European Green Parties

Marxist in Nebraska
4th November 2003, 00:22
Originally posted by SonofRage+Nov 3 2003, 07:12 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SonofRage @ Nov 3 2003, 07:12 PM)
Marxist in [email protected] 3 2003, 06:37 PM
When people ask me about the Greens, I generally say that they are about the equivalent of a Western European Social Democratic Party. I am glad to see I am not the only one who sees that.
You&#39;d think they would be equivalent to all the European Green Parties [/b]
logically, yes... though there does seem to be some difference... I heard some members of the German Greens were supporting sending troops to Iraq. That is unheard of among American Greens, as far as I can tell... but for the most part there is little difference between SDPs and Greens... there is a lot of overlap.

apathy maybe
4th November 2003, 01:15
While the greens (as a party) do want to keep the system basicly as we have now (the only reason that I dislike them), they are a great party all the same. I am a total greenie, and I can only see that we can have an ecological world if we go communist/anarchist. So ...

Wikipedia has some good stuff on the Greens and I wont bother reproducing it here, but the links are
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_parties
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_politics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red-Green_Alliance
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Pillars_...the_Green_Party (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Pillars_of_the_Green_Party)

Umoja
4th November 2003, 01:20
The Greens are also a Grassroots party, and only recently started acting nationally. Some states have different agendas. To my knowledge the Texas Green Party is a huge Anti-Big Business party, for example.

pedro san pedro
4th November 2003, 03:29
i feel the greens have a really good sense of pr -they are able to present fairly radical ideas to reasonably mainstream people, by using labels that are not too "controversal". they dont say anti-capitalist, but they do promote changing our society away from profits at all costs.
i feel they are getting an unfairly hard time on this board -they are they only party really getting out and atigating on a grand scale.
anyone see bob brown in oz when bush was here? he and the other green senator were the only 2 in parliment to give bush a hard time, and both were nearly removed from the house. theirs was the only dissent.

greens that i have worked with on an individual level tend to be very anti-capitalist. its just that they can see that they can achieve a lot more under a common banner that is acceptable to the masses. this way a lot of issues are heard that would otherwise remain rather quiet

Severian
6th November 2003, 21:19
Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2003, 07:43 PM

Also, they don&#39;t use "anti-capitalism" because they would alienate many people unintentionally. They want to be with the people, regardless of terminology.
It&#39;s not just terminology. They don&#39;t express opposition to capitalism by some other name, either.

There is nothing they call for in that program that is anti-capitalist or that is even a step in the direction of getting rid of capitalism.

SonofRage
7th November 2003, 23:59
Here is an excerpt from a Green Party of New Jersey Seminar Document (http://gpnj.vshost.com/directions.html) that explains Green Politics pretty well. I&#39;ve highlighted the really interesting parts of the idea that has made me a Green in the first place.



Vision (GPUSA)
(summary vision collated from various GPUSA articles; E. Gray, 6/1/98):

Various social, scientific, and technological movements from the 14th to the 19th century in Europe led to the entrenchment of an exploitative, laissez-faire type of capitalism. In the 19th century, a democratic critique of monarchical absolutism and aristocratic privilege, a socialist critique of class divisions, and an anarchist critique of all concentrations of power, oth political (nation state) and economic (corporations) contributed to a variety of socialist solutions being proposed to solve existing inequities.

In 1984, one of those responses, the Green Movement, was extended to the U.S. At that time, the Greens primarily emphasized their development of an ecological consciousness. It also emphasized its roots in the 19th century Bioregional movement, which rejected political boundaries in favor of boundaries indicated by natural phenomena such as watersheds, flora, and fauna; and in the Municipal confederalism of the social ecologists, who viewed existing governments, above the municipal level (i.e., state and national) as illegitimate.

All of these influences have converged to create a vision of a "non-hierarchical society of self-regulating communities that are humanly-scaled, bioregionally-integrated, and cooperatively confederated...those communities will replace the centralized state... Global corporations and centralized state enterprises will be eliminated and be replaced by decentralized, publicly-owned enterprises and individual/family enterprises; basic industries and services will be municipalized (not nationalized) and confederations of communities will own larger facilities regionally.

This Green Municipalism will replace the centralized state with a local, immediate, institutional framework through which millions of people can participate in shaping social policy; it will secure home rule from State Constitutions. This type of society is often referred to as Libertarian Municipalism, or democratic socialism. As tactical movements toward building such a society within municipalities, the Left Green Network members of GPUSA participated in founding the Independent Progressive Political Network (IPPN) in 1996, and seeing it adopt a Common Platform which is intended as a Transitional Program designed to provoke a crisis in the capitalist system and open the door to revolutionary change.

blackemma
10th November 2003, 18:40
I think many people misunderstand the aims and purposes of the Green Party. First, anyone who says it&#39;s a pro-capitalist party is misinformed. I think it would be silly to think a party endorsed by the likes of Chomsky and Zinn would be pro-capitalist. Rather, the party is a realistic party which recognizes that Soviet socialism failed to protect the environment, bring freedom, and create a more democratic society. In most platforms, you will note the reason that they reject nationalization is because they have found it is impossible to reconcile large scale nationalization with community based, direct democracy.

What is accurate to say is that the Green Party is not a socialist party in the traditional sense of the word, nor is it a capitalist party. Rather, the Green Party draws strongly from liberal and anarchist traditions. The emphasis on social justice, community based economics, and decentralization are all strongly rooted in anarchist thinking while the emphasis on civil liberties, the abolishment of discrimination based on gender, race, and sexualisty are all liberal in tradition.

Those who say the Green Party is capitalist are neglecting one of the more realistic alternatives to modern-day social democratic and socialist parties who are too busy preaching about revolution to note that no one&#39;s going to throw a revolution in a wealthy, capitalist nation no matter how much Communist Parties may wish.

SonofRage
11th November 2003, 09:34
good post blackemma. Anyone interested in Green Politics should check out the Murray Bookchin Archive (http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/Anarchist_Archives/bookchin/Bookchinarchive.html). His ideas definitely influenced the Green movement.