Russia Chemically Castrates Pedophiles

[CommieTroll]

Russia introduces chemical castration for pedophiles
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Published: 04 October, 2011, 21:10

Charged with numerous counts of child molesting including murder, Sergey Kutnyuk was sentenced by Sverdlovsk Region Court to life imprisonment. (RIA Novosti/Pavel Lysizin)

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The Russian parliament has approved a law on pedophilia in a first reading. From now on people found guilty of sex crimes against children under the age of 14 will face chemical castration, while repeat offenders face a life sentence.
According to the new law, the decision on a convict’s obligatory chemical castration will be made through a forensic psychiatrist's report requested by the court, which may ultimately turn to other medical measures, MP Dmitry Vyatkin explained to Itar-TASS.

“It would be unwise to limit the medical measures to just castration, as in some cases it may not help,” Vyatkin said.

At the same time, some of the convicts may ask for voluntary chemical castration, even if the victim was over 14. This may help them get parole if they are already serving a sentence, or a more lenient sentence if they are still being tried. However, in the latter case the final decision will be up to the court.

The law also banned suspended and deferred sentences for those found guilty of sex crimes against a child under the age of 14. And from now on they can ask for parole only after serving at least 80 per cent of their sentence.

The new law comes amid increased concerns over sexual transgressions against minors in Russian society.

A staggering 1,300 Russian children suffered from sexual crime involving violence in 2008 and another 5,233 from non-violent sexual crimes, according to Anton Belyakov, an MP for the loyalist A Just Russia party. Belyakov was among those calling for more severe punishments for pedophiles, as some 97% repeat their offenses after being released.

United Russia MP Tatyana Yakovleva claims the number of sexual crimes against the underage has increased twentyfold since 2005.

"Pedophiles are sick and dangerous people who will never be full members of society, and this is why our goal is to protect healthy people, our children, who have their whole lives ahead of them," Belyakov told RIA Novosti.

Previous laws on sex crimes against juveniles were more lenient, with the toughest sentence being an 8-15-year prison term.

And, as actual legal practice shows, many pedophiles received terms of 3-4 years through plea-bargaining.
Hormones to the rescue
The procedure of chemical castration is carried out using the drug Depo-Provera, which contains synthetic progesterone.

The female hormone progesterone lowers the levels of its male counterpart – testosterone, the hormone responsible for sexual desire, effectively reducing the latter.

The scientific community has no agreement over the drug’s ability to inhibit a pedophile's desire to abuse a child, while its side effects include depression, fatigue, diabetes, and blood clots, which, of course, are not part of the sentence.

http://rt.com/news/pedophilia-russia-chemical-castration-059/

Thoughts?

[MustCrushCapitalism]

The scientific community has no agreement over the drug’s ability to inhibit a pedophile's desire to abuse a child, while its side effects include depression, fatigue, diabetes, and blood clots, which, of course, are not part of the sentence.
Very humane.

[CommieTroll]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-15100393

South Korea passed a law similar to this back in July but it's for sex offenders that attack children under 16

[Start a Fire]

A staggering 1,300 Russian children suffered from sexual crime involving violence in 2008 and another 5,233 from non-violent sexual crimes, according to Anton Belyakov, an MP for the loyalist A Just Russia party. Belyakov was among those calling for more severe punishments for pedophiles, as some 97% repeat their offenses after being released.

United Russia MP Tatyana Yakovleva claims the number of sexual crimes against the underage has increased twentyfold since 2005.

Previous laws on sex crimes against juveniles were more lenient, with the toughest sentence being an 8-15-year prison term.

And, as actual legal practice shows, many pedophiles received terms of 3-4 years through plea-bargaining.
The criminal justice system should be about rehabilitating criminals, not punishing them. The fact that 97% repeat their offenses shows that chemical castration may actually be necessary to rehabilitate these criminals. If a chemical castration allows somebody to avoid excessive jail time and actually be a functioning member of society, I'm all for it. If chemical castration shows to not be effective in preventing child sex crimes, than these measures should be reconsidered.

[CommieTroll]

The province of Mendoza in Argentina actually reduces sentencing if the offender voluntarily takes part in chemical castration.

The fact that 97% repeat their offenses shows that chemical castration may actually be necessary to rehabilitate these criminals

Is it even possible to rehabilitate a sex offender? I may be wrong but isn't it a mental disease? I don't think it's curable and I think it's easier just to send them to the firing squad

[Seth]

Physical castration is the only sure thing. :rolleyes:

And it's cheaper.

[Start a Fire]

The province of Mendoza in Argentina actually reduces sentencing if the offender voluntarily takes part in chemical castration.


Is it even possible to rehabilitate a sex offender? I may be wrong but isn't it a mental disease?
Uhh, no sex drive=no sexual abuse. If a pedo's only problem is that he/she has uncontrollable sexual urges, than a chemical castration and some counseling/psychiatric evaluation and treatment may be enough to rehabilitate them.


I don't think it's curable and I think it's easier just to send them to the firing squad
u trollin'? :tt2:

[Tablo]

This is the new 'shooting rapists in the balls' thread.

Wonder how long you guys will last.

[Seth]

*bme pain olympics*

[TheGodlessUtopian]

Seems rather barbaric...but they are pedophiles seeking out children....hmmm,I would like to hear from the mental health professionals who have had experience with child molesters/rapists;are they able to be rehabilitated?

[Seth]

It might be barbaric but this is every paedo's true nightmare:

http://files.sharenator.com/im_chris_hansen_for_dateline_nbc_why_28506_1254879 749_1_RE_Anne_Hathaway_is_Hot-s333x500-195719.jpg

[Manic Impressive]

Actually the united states does it too. Does nobody watch Louis Theroux? :p

[Dogs On Acid]

I fail to understand how chemically castrating an offender by lowering their libido will destroy their fetish.

Fetishes are not tied to libido, they are tied to the mind of the individual. Pedophiles should be treated in a Mental Hospital.

Holy shit, if libido was the cause for pedophilia, then i'd be a kid's worst nightmare.

[Lucretia]

Most sex crimes involving minors are committed by non-"pedophile" adults who prefer and are involved in otherwise normal relationships with same-age adults. So when some people here are cheerleading Russia chemically castrating "pedophiles," what exactly do they think they are advocating? Another thing to keep in mind is that however the term is used in popular culture, pedophilia is a clinical term with a specific meaning. It means adults who are primarily attracted to prepubescent kids. Are the cheerleaders in the thread advocating chemically castrating all people over the age of 18 (or 15? or 16) who have sexual contact with anybody 14 or under? Let's be clear about how these terms are used, since they really are cultural lightning rods capable of whipping up a lot of hatred and hysteria. This information is easily available in any social science text about sexuality.

[Yuppie Grinder]

That is seriously evil. Some Brave New World shit, for real.

[Princess Luna]

Looks like some politician needs to get re-elected, lets spin the wheel of mass hysteria! will it be drugs or immigrants?
1...
2...
3...
it's pedophiles!

"Pedophiles are sick and dangerous people who will never be full members of society, and this is why our goal is to protect healthy people, our children, who have their whole lives ahead of them," Belyakov told RIA Novosti.

[Engel]

This!
http://flowerpoop.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Pedobear.png

I couldn't resist the urge to post that sorry! :lol:

[#FF0000]

Looks like some politician needs to get re-elected, lets spin the wheel of mass hysteria! will it be drugs or immigrants?
1...
2...
3...
it's pedophiles!

And y'all are sitting here, falling for it like suckers to play hard.

Pathetic.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

Looks like some politician needs to get re-elected, lets spin the wheel of mass hysteria! will it be drugs or immigrants?
1...
2...
3...
it's pedophiles!

I wonder how long before the queerphobes in Russia try and link homosexuality to pedophilia and move to have all homosexuals castrated? It will come sooner or later I think.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

Disgusting. Talk about going over the top with taking away criminals' civil rights. In fact, I think they're treading on their human rights here, as this - if it's against the criminal's will - amounts to torture, and denies them the right to sex (in the future).

Also, does anyone have any stats on recorded pedophilia incidents in Russia? I'm going to stick my neck out and hazard a guess that there was a spike from around umm....the late 1980s? I'm sure it's just a coincidence and nothing more.:rolleyes:

[Seth]

I wonder how long before the queerphobes in Russia try and link homosexuality to pedophilia and move to have all homosexuals castrated? It will come sooner or later I think.

I think that would cause a human rights shitstorm.

[Seth]

Also, does anyone have any stats on recorded pedophilia incidents in Russia? I'm going to stick my neck out and hazard a guess that there was a spike from around umm....the late 1980s? I'm sure it's just a coincidence and nothing more.:rolleyes:

That's when a bunch of other unspeakables came out into the daylight so it wouldn't surprise me.

[tfb]

I guess they'll be chemically castrating Putin for making out with that random little boy's belly!

[Princess Luna]

I think that would cause a human rights shitstorm.
Saudi Arabia, Iran, and many other countries get away with killing homosexuals and when the U.N. tried to pass a resolution condeming such acts, it was shot down by the U.S. so if nationalists in Russia succeeded in taking control of the country, there would be nothing stopping them from ordering homosexuals castrated or worse...

[Os Cangaceiros]

Actually the united states does it too. Does nobody watch Louis Theroux? :p

I watched that! Wasn't it called "A Place For Pedophiles"? Good show. I like Louis Theroux and the "Weird Weekends" series, even though Louis Theroux...is kind of a dick, lol. It's a funny show, though, full of funny moments like neo-Nazi Tom Metzger discussing his love for karaoke. :lol:

Anyway, pedophilia probably can't be cured. I don't think they can "cure" fetishes. It's not really a problem, though, as long as people don't act on their urges and abuse children. That's the thing: what pedos say about it being unavoidable is wrong. There are plenty of people who have terrible urges, yet also realize that these urges are wrong and therefore do not act on them.

For anyone else, I propose that we contract ball-shooting duty out to some Irish paramilitaries.

[Seth]

For anyone else, I propose that we contract ball-shooting duty out to some Irish paramilitaries.

??

[tfb]

Thinking that you can cure paedophilia is like thinking that you can cure homosexuality (which they tried with Alan Turing...).

(By the way, I'm not saying that gay people are like paedophiles in any way other than that they're probably both "born this way".)

[Tablo]

??
http://www.revleft.com/vb/ira-take-community-t146088/index.html?

[Seth]

Is that why so many in that thread are banned? :laugh:

[Tablo]

Is that why so many in that thread are banned? :laugh:
Yeah, there was a curse.

http://www.revleft.com/vb/curse-fat-cat-t156258/index.html?t=156258

[Manic Impressive]

man that was such an epic thread thanks for posting that link, lots of good memories, lots of revleft history, lots of dearly departed comrades.

@Seth ironically enough a few of those members got banned for excusing the soviet troops rape of german women during the second world war.

[Die Neue Zeit]

Disgusting. Talk about going over the top with taking away criminals' civil rights. In fact, I think they're treading on their human rights here, as this - if it's against the criminal's will - amounts to torture, and denies them the right to sex (in the future).

Also, does anyone have any stats on recorded pedophilia incidents in Russia? I'm going to stick my neck out and hazard a guess that there was a spike from around umm....the late 1980s? I'm sure it's just a coincidence and nothing more.:rolleyes:

Well, Russian opinion polls show support for the death penalty for rapists of children alongside serial killers (beyond a more typical first-degree murderer) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrei_Chikatilo#Chikatilo_in_Media) and explosion-triggering terrorists.

[∞]

Why can't pedoes just fap? No harm is done.

[Seth]

People defended rape in the war? Someone pm me about this, stupidity intrigues me.

[Le Socialiste]

Disgusting, barbaric, inhumane...the list goes on. Pedophilia has to do with one's mental state, chemical castration isn't going to make those desires go away. People who find themselves in such a state of mind need to be placed in institutions, not tortured.

Edit:


Anyway, pedophilia probably can't be cured. I don't think they can "cure" fetishes. It's not really a problem, though, as long as people don't act on their urges and abuse children. That's the thing: what pedos say about it being unavoidable is wrong. There are plenty of people who have terrible urges, yet also realize that these urges are wrong and therefore do not act on them.

This too. If the proper steps are taken, the issue can be dealt with in a manner that doesn't infringe on the rights of everyone involved. We can't approach pedophilia from a position of animosity and hatred if we are to address it. Such a mental state/fetish is, indeed, terrible. But methods such as castration and/or "genital shooting" isn't going to solve the problem.

[Coggeh]

Its a thought provoking and a cold sobering fact that when it comes to pedophilia the Catholic clergy are more progressive than the majority on this site (Though they probably have their own reasons....). Pedophilia needs to be more openly talked about in society and the debate needs to happen real soon in order to prevent this barbaric stupidity thats spreading like wildfire and finding no opposition by any of the traditional human rights activists. Why are the prison system, torture and the death penalty horrible horrible things but suddenly become humane when we talk about pedophiles?

The only real way to deal with pedophilia is to remove the stigma and the fear, many normal adults have pedophile type urges but never act on them but some do, what we need to do is to have counseling services for people who think like that where there private and confidential 100% so the person can open up about whatever feelings urges whatever they have and be helped to deal with them because the most likely scenario is that pedophiles are born that way, who the hell would choose a sexual tendency that involves sex with kids? and thus the complete removal from society? This is pretty much exactly what the cardinal of Ireland said what needed to be done in his speech about a year ago of course the government took no action because the tabloids would be all over them like flies over sh*t but i couldn't say i didn't agree with him.

The pedophile problem in society is the best way of showing the inabilities of capitalism to punish and prevent crimes. How does castrating one person stop the next person from committing the very same act tomorrow? it simply doesn't. And who ever posted this "97% reoffend without castration" needs to read a bit more
http://www.vnews.com/sexcrimes/recidivism.htm According to a study done in Vermont it was around 5% for those who completed treatment and 30% who didn't, Thats a big margin of error there buddy. With counseling and prevention the risk rate can be dramatically be reduced but no one is going to stick their necks out in public society to call for this unless they want to be seriously destroyed by the panic driven media, its much easier to call for torture and castration rather than counseling and prevention, which is a sad sad sign of our times.

[Nox]

It's a fucking awful idea.

On top of that, I doubt it will even affect the number of paedophilia incidents.

[Sendo]

Disgusting. Talk about going over the top with taking away criminals' civil rights. In fact, I think they're treading on their human rights here, as this - if it's against the criminal's will - amounts to torture, and denies them the right to sex (in the future).


It's not chemical castration exactly. Not at all, actually. It's temporary decrease of libido through giving males female hormones. I think this is a horrible solution, though. Like others said, pedophilia is not the same as libido. If a straight man comes home from working overtime and falls asleep instead of doing something with his wife, has he ceased to be heterosexual? Surely not!

I don't think pedos can be reformed. I'm in favor of life in prison or physical castration. Same for rapists. Although punishments like the death penalty and true castration are irreversible, be damned sure you got the right guy.

Ah screw it. Just do life in prison. But not a cozy prison. Make them crack rocks and pick up highway garbage. Not like slaves, but enough to cover their own expenses at least.

[Le Socialiste]

I don't think pedos can be reformed. I'm in favor of life in prison or physical castration. Same for rapists. Although punishments like the death penalty and true castration are irreversible, be damned sure you got the right guy.

No. Again, physical punishment will not (cannot) affect a change in a pedophile's mental state. Being predisposed toward a particular sexual fetish doesn't warrant castration. Methods such as these, that rely on excessive violence, are evidence of a society's slide into broad layers of barbaric moralism. Is pedophilia an issue that needs to be addressed by society? Undoubtedly, but it's an issue that must be met within the realms of reason - and no, castration does not qualify.

[Iron Felix]

And we should cut off the hands of thieves right? Cut off the clits of female pedos, too, yeah? This law is barbaric. Just trying to creating a mass-hysteria about pedophiles to boost popularity, "Wooooo they saved us from mass-raping hordes of pedophiles let's vote for them!".

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

Well, Russian opinion polls show support for the death penalty for rapists of children alongside serial killers (beyond a more typical first-degree murderer) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrei_Chikatilo#Chikatilo_in_Media) and explosion-triggering terrorists.

So fucking what? That doesn't mean i'm all of a sudden going to follow the sheepish majority, does it? That's not what democracy is about.

The majority of the developed populations still support Capitalism - again, so fucking what?

[NewGlobalOrder]

If you do not want to execute them, then give child molesters, rapists and murderers a life sentence.

You cannot cure them, and I am tried of hearing that argument from the left. It is no different than those on the right, who try to "cure" homosexuality.

Most sex offenders happen to be men, and no man decides one day, to take a sexual interest in children, when they never have before.

But being born that way, is no excuse for their actions either. Nobody should be judged for having sexual thoughts of children, only when they act upon them.

And no, being gay is not a crime. And I am tried of those on the right, saying you cannot trust an adult gay male, with a little boy. If that is true, then you also cannot trust an adult straight male, with a little girl.

[Obs]

If you do not want to execute them, then give child molesters, rapists and murderers a life sentence.

You cannot cure them, and I am tried of hearing that argument from the left. It is no different than those on the right, who try to "cure" homosexuality
People generally have a motive for killing someone. Not sure what world you're living in where murders are a result of some kind of genetic drive.

[Misanthrope]

It's the 21st century Russia...

It's 2011 and states are still murdering and brutally punishing their citizens.

[Lucretia]

Once again it's important to be careful when throwing around words like "pedophilia" especially when talking about punishing "pedophiles" as criminals. "Pedophilia" is not an act, it is a medical status used to designate adults who are primarily sexually attracted to prepubescent children. Neither is pedophilia synonymous with sex crimes involving underage youths. In Russia, it seems you can be chemically castrated for having sex with a fourteen year old, whereas in other parts of the world, it would be perfectly legal to have a sexual relationship with a fourteen-year-old. Unless the fourteen year old is pre-pubescent, which is highly unlikely in this day and age, such a relationship has absolutely nothing to do with pedophilia.

[the last donut of the night]

fat cat killa where u at

[EvilRedGuy]

In the first when i read this i thought they were gonna put their balls in acid. This is still sick though, and doesn't help but only causes other illness.

lol @ those supporting for physical castration and execution, loonies.

[Dimmu]

I can see this "sentence" being used against people who work against state etc.. Not really hard to manufacture "evidence"..

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

If you do not want to execute them, then give child molesters, rapists and murderers a life sentence.

You cannot cure them, and I am tried of hearing that argument from the left. It is no different than those on the right, who try to "cure" homosexuality.

Most sex offenders happen to be men, and no man decides one day, to take a sexual interest in children, when they never have before.

But being born that way, is no excuse for their actions either. Nobody should be judged for having sexual thoughts of children, only when they act upon them.

And no, being gay is not a crime. And I am tried of those on the right, saying you cannot trust an adult gay male, with a little boy. If that is true, then you also cannot trust an adult straight male, with a little girl.

So, you are saying that a 19 year old girl who has sex with a 15 year old guy should be jailed for life as they cannot be 'cured', yes?

[CommieTroll]

So, you are saying that a 19 year old girl who has sex with a 15 year old guy should be jailed for life as they cannot be 'cured', yes?

I wonder how many people would say that the boy instigated it:laugh:
Usually the stereotype of a sex offender is a middle aged man who preys on small children. Women who have sex with young boys (e.g Teachers) usually get a significantly smaller stint in prison than male sex offenders

[Rafiq]

It's a shame that Beria fellow isn't still alive

[Princess Luna]

I wonder how many people would say that the boy instigated it:laugh:
Usually the stereotype of a sex offender is a middle aged man who preys on small children. Women who have sex with young boys (e.g Teachers) usually get a significantly smaller stint in prison than male sex offenders
Society treats young women like children who must be protected because they are to weak to defend themselves, also society places high value on female "purity" this is why people seem to react to stories of a 31 year old man and a 15 year old girl by calling for his blood and demanding the harshist penalty possible, while on the other hand people typically react to stories of a 15 year old boy and a 31 year old year woman with a wink and a nod.

[Zav]

Reactionary, but it could be worse. From what I read, it sounds like Russia is only using the drug on child molesters. If they also used on pedophiles who merely possessed kiddy porn, I would lose a lot of what little respect I have for the country's government. There's quite a difference between beating your shtick and raping a seven year old. A better deterrent would be to legalize child porn and provide a national supply of all the stuff that has already been made, while keeping its making illegal, of course.

I'll bet five euros (or dollars) that someone's going to call me a kidfucker for supporting the civil and human rights of pedo/ephebo/hebephiles. Any takers?

[Dogs On Acid]

Reactionary, but it could be worse. From what I read, it sounds like Russia is only using the drug on child molesters. If they also used on pedophiles who merely possessed kiddy porn, I would lose a lot of what little respect I have for the country's government. There's quite a difference between beating your shtick and raping a seven year old. A better deterrent would be to legalize child porn and provide a national supply of all the stuff that has already been made, while keeping its making illegal, of course.

I'll bet five euros (or dollars) that someone's going to call me a kidfucker for supporting the civil and human rights of pedo/ephebo/hebephiles. Any takers?

I think allowing anonymous and free medical-care to people with a fetish for pedophilia is a better way of controlling the situation than just giving them porn.

[tir1944]

I think allowing anonymous and free medical-care to people with a fetish for pedophilia is a better way of controlling the situation than just giving them pornI think sending them to dig trenches/chop trees for the next 50 years is an even better way of controlling the situation.:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Dogs On Acid]

I think sending them to dig trenches/chop trees for the next 50 years is an even better way of controlling the situation.:laugh::laugh::laugh:

No man, it's not their fault they have a fucked up fetish. In fact i'm sure many of them are aware of this and just can't control their sexual desires properly.

Help them!

Oh and by the way, we communists don't like slavery.

[tir1944]

No man, it's not their fault they have a fucked up fetish.
What about those who have a "fetish" for blood or rape? (can't get their dicks up unless they hurt/kill someone) ?
Poor,poor people...:crying:
It's not their fault that they killed someone...right?

[Dogs On Acid]

What about those who have a "fetish" for blood or rape? (can't get their dicks up unless they hurt/kill someone) ?
Poor,poor people...:crying:
It's not their fault that they killed someone...right?

Right.

[Tablo]

I think sending them to dig trenches/chop trees for the next 50 years is an even better way of controlling the situation.:laugh::laugh::laugh:

I don't like your fetish for authoritarianism so I'm going to make you dig trenches. Have fun!~ <3

[tir1944]

Lol keep on ramblin'.:laugh:

[Dogs On Acid]

Lol keep on ramblin'.:laugh:

There's a reason after 440 posts your rep is 70.

[tir1944]

There's a reason after 440 posts your rep is 70. I'm here for fun so it doesn't bother me much.

[EvilRedGuy]

Can we please ban this tir1944 person, we have had him for long enough already.


We don't need him. He just said he only was here for fun, not for serious debate.

[tir1944]

We don't need him. He just said he only was here for fun, not for serious debate.
The fact that i'm here for fun doesn't mean that i'm not interested in serious debate.I am and that is obvious.
Seriously,chill out.

[EvilRedGuy]

Coming from you. Chill out? I just want to get rid of you, or wish i could negrep you a thousand times.

[tir1944]

I just want to get rid of you, or wish i could negrep you a thousand times.
Everyone wants something...please,don't be so authoritarian and undemocratic.
Open your mind dude...tolerance...
;)

[EvilRedGuy]

Everyone wants something...please,don't be so authoritarian and undemocratic.
Open your mind dude...tolerance...
;)


Coming from someone who advocates slaughtering pedophiles.

[tir1944]

Coming from someone who advocates slaughtering pedophiles
No.Where did i say that?

[fionntan]

Coming from someone who advocates slaughtering pedophiles.


I agree with that..

[Smyg]

I'd normally agree with the sane people in here, but in this case I can't. I suffer from a complete and utter hatred of pedophiles which overrides any attempt at acting humane, progressive or logical.

[Crux]

I agree with that..
Isn't that or kneecapping your default solution for all crime?

[fionntan]

I was waiting for one of the pc brigade to comment. Again your anti irishness rearing its ugly head.

[Joseph S.]

http://rt.com/news/pedophilia-russia-chemical-castration-059/

Thoughts?
A way to mild sentanse if you ask me.
To start with
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http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/155/b/a/stalin_approves_by_foxgaurd-d3i0xow.jpg

[Crux]

I was waiting for one of the pc brigade to comment. Again your anti irishness rearing its ugly head.
Hahaha, replace that with "anti-swedish" and you sound like every other far right thug I've encountered. Yeah I am "PC". :rolleyes: Fuck off and take your reactionary violence fetischism and attitude to law and order with you.

[fionntan]

Hahaha, replace that with "anti-swedish" and you sound like every other far right thug I've encountered. Yeah I am "PC". :rolleyes: Fuck off and take your reactionary violence fetischism and attitude to law and order with you.


Nice attitude from a moderator:rolleyes: Are you implying im right wing?And i have no fetish for violence in a mater of fact i dislike it but i dont live in a bubble like yourself i live in the real world where it is an every day thing like it or not.And i wont be fucking off any time soon because some wee anti irish pc false lefty told me to. Slan Chara,,

[fionntan]

I see you give me an infraction and called me a little nationalist hard man? could another mod look into this as i find it unfair.

[Joseph S.]

Nice attitude from a moderator:rolleyes: Are you implying im right wing?And i have no fetish for violence in a mater of fact i dislike it but i dont live in a bubble like yourself i live in the real world where it is an every day thing like it or not.And i wont be fucking off any time soon because some wee anti irish pc false lefty told me to. Slan Chara,,
Id like to hear hin talk after his kid's are raped.
Being the victem of child abuse my self i meaby look @ this truw a staind glass, on the other hand what if they just haged the basterd wen centenst him for 2 years 20 years before he raped me.

[Crux]

Nice attitude from a moderator:rolleyes: Are you implying im right wing?And i have no fetish for violence in a mater of fact i dislike it but i dont live in a bubble like yourself i live in the real world where it is an every day thing like it or not.And i wont be fucking off any time soon because some wee anti irish pc false lefty told me to. Slan Chara,,
Yes I am, and your "anti-irish" "pc" bullshit tells me so as well. I mean if it wasn't for your down-right reactionary views on crime and punishment. Calling people "politically correct" has always been the cry of the knuckle-dragging right. You may have vaguely progressive opinions on ther issues but in this you are firmly on the right. You live in the "real world"? Congratulations. Most people do. Oh you thoght you were making an argument?

[Smyg]

Nice attitude from a moderator:rolleyes: Are you implying im right wing?And i have no fetish for violence in a mater of fact i dislike it but i dont live in a bubble like yourself i live in the real world where it is an every day thing like it or not.And i wont be fucking off any time soon because some wee anti irish pc false lefty told me to. Slan Chara,,

Here in Sweden, every anti-racist and anti-fascist is labled anti-Swedish by the Nazis and right-wing. "Anti-Irish" indeed brings rather unpleasant associations. Likewise, "politically correct" is the rallying call of the extreme right.

[Joseph S.]

Here in Sweden, every anti-racist and anti-fascist is labled anti-Swedish by the Nazis and right-wing. "Anti-Irish" indeed brings rather unpleasant associations.
Only for poeple who are ignorant on the irisch mather you migth expect more from a mod.
Nazi's cant stand the IRA and vice verca

[fionntan]

That wanker is anti irish and he shows it on his posts.Another wee trendy lefty who needs a good slap on the mouth. Again why did i get infractions?

[Crux]

Id like to hear hin talk after his kid's are raped.
Being the victem of child abuse my self i meaby look @ this truw a staind glass, on the other hand what if they just haged the basterd wen centenst him for 2 years 20 years before he raped me.
While I sympathise, that kind of bias is exactly why victims should not be the ones to choose the punishment. The U.S death penalty should be proof enough for that.

[Crux]

That wanker is anti irish and he shows it on his posts.Another wee trendy lefty who needs a good slap on the mouth. Again why did i get infractions?
You have yet to substantiate your "anti-rish" bullshit. Of course that might be because you can't and it's just a bullshit slur from you. It doesn't mean more to me than when zionists accuse me of being anti-semite, swedish fash call me anti-swedish or the ever reocurring accuse of being anti-american from the american eqvivalents. So I asked you a question, before you went on your angry little fit, is kneecapping and execution not your default solution to all crime? Because it sure seems so.

[Crux]

Only for poeple who are ignorant on the irisch mather you migth expect more from a mod.
Nazi's cant stand the IRA and vice verca
Not always true. (http://liveraf.wordpress.com/2011/03/04/the-bnps-irish-problem/) In any case this is going off-topic and fionntan hasn't been able to answer with anything but pathetic howls of "pc" and "anti-irish". Just like reactionaries usually do. And fionntan you didn't get an infraction, you got a negrep, but I am sure you will notice the difference soon enough.

[Joseph S.]

While I sympathise, that kind of bias is exactly why victims should not be the ones to choose the punishment. The U.S death penalty should be proof enough for that.So I'm stuck with a trauma for life and he get so go to centerparts for 4 year's so he can traumatise a other child after he's released?
Not even to mention al the other childeren he traumatised in the 18 year's between his arrest for abusing me and hes previon jail sentense of 2 years for the same thing?
I geus im a readneck racist 2 wen i say hang the basterd's

[fionntan]

You have yet to substantiate your "anti-rish" bullshit. Of course that might be because you can't and it's just a bullshit slur from you. It doesn't mean more to me than when zionists accuse me of being anti-semite, swedish fash call me anti-swedish or the ever reocurring accuse of being anti-american from the american eqvivalents. So I asked you a question, before you went on your angry little fit, is kneecapping and execution not your default solution to all crime? Because it sure seems so.


And your basing this on what? Because i said the working class communities in the north push for and want community justice to fall upon perpetraters of serious crime?Thats the truth. I never once said that was my opinion what i did say was its the majoritys .

Again can a mod look into my infractions...

[Crux]

So I'm stuck with a trauma for life and he get so go to centerparts for 4 year's so he can traumatise a other child after he's released?
Not even to mention al the other childeren he traumatised in the 18 year's between his arrest for abusing me and hes previon jail sentense of 2 years for the same thing?
I geus im a readneck racist 2 wen i say hang the basterd's
Not at all. I don't mean any offence but it's an emotional response not a basis for any justice system.

[fionntan]

Not always true. (http://liveraf.wordpress.com/2011/03/04/the-bnps-irish-problem/) In any case this is going off-topic and fionntan hasn't been able to answer with anything but pathetic howls of "pc" and "anti-irish". Just like reactionaries usually do. And fionntan you didn't get an infraction, you got a negrep, but I am sure you will notice the difference soon enough.


:laugh::laugh: One idiot in the BNP wouldnt condem a IRA action and you have now lumped the BNP in with the IRA christ your funny...Or a fecking idiot one of the two.

[Crux]

And your basing this on what? Because i said the working class communities in the north push for and want community justice to fall upon perpetraters of serious crime?Thats the truth. I never once said that was my opinion what i did say was its the majoritys .

Again can a mod look into my infractions...
That's terribly dishonest of you. At least stand up for what you believe, don't blame it on the working class communities.

If you have been infracted I had nothing to do with it. As I said I gave you a negrep. I am sure you might have reason to get to learn the difference one day.

[Crux]

:laugh::laugh: One idiot in the BNP wouldnt condem a IRA action and you have now lumped the BNP in with the IRA christ your funny...Or a fecking idiot one of the two.
So what about Gerry McGeough, then? I assume you did not read the article.

[fionntan]

That's terribly dishonest of you. At least stand up for what you believe, don't blame it on the working class communities.

If you have been infracted I had nothing to do with it. As I said I gave you a negrep. I am sure you might have reason to get to learn the difference one day.


Im not blaming anything on my communities. If a sex offender is living in one of the said communities and the community aproach republicans and ask for community justice to be dealt out to that person who am i or anyone else to go against the wishes or the community?

[Joseph S.]

Not always true. (http://liveraf.wordpress.com/2011/03/04/the-bnps-irish-problem/) In any case this is going off-topic and fionntan hasn't been able to answer with anything but pathetic howls of "pc" and "anti-irish". Just like reactionaries usually do. And fionntan you didn't get an infraction, you got a negrep, but I am sure you will notice the difference soon enough.
Wer going of topic indeed Maybe you cold split up this tread with your awsome mod power's and have the irisch dicussion in a other treath because it's a interesting subject imho witch i like to read more about.
And it give's fionntan a chance to tel you what he means with out derailing the tread anny further.

[fionntan]

So what about Gerry McGeough, then? I assume you did not read the article.


Ive no more in common with Gerry than i have with you.And gerry WAS part of the republican movement hasnt been in a long time.

[Smyg]

Amusing nationalism.

[Crux]

Im not blaming anything on my communities. If a sex offender is living in one of the said communities and the community aproach republicans and ask for community justice to be dealt out to that person who am i or anyone else to go against the wishes or the community?
Well, nevermind the fact that on the previous page you approved of "slaughtering pedophiles". This "community supports it" argument is bullshit. Firstly I am not convinced there is majority support, as you claim. Secondly, so what? If you lived in a community where there were majority support for beating up and killing homosexuals would you go along with it because that's what the community support? I actually encountered an irish "anti pedophile action" group full of knuckledraggers that apprently weren't interesting in distinguishing between pedophiles and others they considered deviants.
Or what if you live in a community that wants to drive out immigrants (or outleast a vocal group within the community do)?
So stop hiding behind "the community", at least be honest enough to stand for your own opinions.

[fionntan]

Amusing nationalism.


Im guessing thats a side swipe at me.. Im not a nationalist far from it.

But im also not a PC trendy leftist in a matter of fact i hate them as much as i do the right as they give the real left a bad name..

[fionntan]

Well, nevermind the fact that on the previous page you approved of "slaughtering pedophiles". This "community supports it" argument is bullshit. Firstly I am not convinced there is majority support, as you claim. Secondly, so what? If you lived in a community where there were majority support for beating up and killing homosexuals would you go along with it because that's what the community support? I actually encountered an irish "anti pedophile action" group full of knuckledraggers that apprently weren't interesting in distinguishing between pedophiles and others they considered deviants.
Or what if you live in a community that wants to drive out immigrants (or outleast a vocal group within the community do)?
So stop hiding behind "the community", at least be honest enough to stand for your own opinions.



I hope your not putting pedophiles in the same bracket as homosexuals just to try to win a argument?? The rest of your post dosnt require an answer as it rubbish and you know it..

[fionntan]

This is what happens to deviants in Belfast.


A man in his 20's has been shot five times in west Belfast, a police spokesperson said.
It happened in the Downfine Gardens area of Ballymurphy at around 9pm on Tuesday night.
The victim was shot in both legs but his injuries are not believed to be life threatening.
Police are appealing for information.


http://www.u.tv/News...37-efd260b9d260 (http://www.u.tv/News/Man-shot-in-west-Belfast/226219b0-5d46-41fa-b337-efd260b9d260)

[hatzel]

This is what happens to deviants in Belfast.


A man in his 20's has been shot five times in west Belfast, a police spokesperson said.
It happened in the Downfine Gardens area of Ballymurphy at around 9pm on Tuesday night.
The victim was shot in both legs but his injuries are not believed to be life threatening.
Police are appealing for information.



http://www.u.tv/News...37-efd260b9d260 (http://www.u.tv/News/Man-shot-in-west-Belfast/226219b0-5d46-41fa-b337-efd260b9d260)

Are you telling us this with pride or with disgust?

[fionntan]

Neither just telling yous thats the way it is here.Community justice is used daily.

[tir1944]

Castration is extremely cruel and inhuman.
I say send these people off to forced labor for 10-20 years,maybe that could cure them.

[hatzel]

I say send these people off to forced labor for 10-20 years,maybe that could cure them.

Please stop suggesting this as a remedy for anything.

[fionntan]

Castration is extremely cruel and inhuman.
I say send these people off to forced labor for 10-20 years,maybe that could cure them.


It wont "cure" them but with any luck they will be worked to death..

[Crux]

Neither just telling yous thats the way it is here.Community justice is used daily.
In other words you are too cowardly or simply not able to defend your position. So you have no position? Yeah, right. :rolleyes: Then why do you feel compelled to post at all?

[Crux]

I hope your not putting pedophiles in the same bracket as homosexuals just to try to win a argument?? The rest of your post dosnt require an answer as it rubbish and you know it..
No I am telling you, you hiding behind the "community" makes you a dishonest little coward. Are you gonna call me "Politically Correct" now or are you going to actually try to present an argument that isn't a logical fallacy?

[fionntan]

My position is im a member of the community and therefore can voice my opinion in that community as i do. If im out voted on that issue thats life simple. If the community complain about deviants in the area and the IRA deal out community justice to the said person im grand with that.Its direct democracy in it simplest form. Maybe not for trendys like yourself but thats how it stands.

[Crux]

My position is im a member of the community and therefore can voice my opinion in that community as i do. If im out voted on that issue thats life simple. If the community complain about deviants in the area and the IRA deal out community justice to the said person im grand with that.Its direct democracy in it simplest form. Maybe not for trendys like yourself but thats how it stands.
In other words you do what appears trendy at the moment? In case your forgot this thread isn't about your love of kneecappings, but let me restate (although I doubt there is any such thing as a vote inthe community for this "community action") if your community started being fine with broadening the term "deviants"? After all, homophobia, racism and sexism exists in the real world (where you claimed to live). The community wants it is not an argument in itself, and you are cowardly trying to hide behind that.

[fionntan]

Your tied up in knots you anti irish fool:laugh::laugh:

[hatzel]

If the community complain about deviants in the area and the IRA deal out community justice to the said person im grand with that.Its direct democracy in it simplest form.

The comments posted on the article suggest that several people do not support such acts of "justice." I hope that these objections of the community will be taken into account. In the interests of direct democracy.

Oh, and by the way...what percentage of the local community actually voted in favour of this latest piece of direct democratic community justice?

[Tifosi]

I was waiting for one of the pc brigade to comment. Again your anti irishness rearing its ugly head.

Can I get an example of Majakovskij's 'anti-Irishness'?

Remember that criticising Irish Republicanism isn't anti-Irish. Like criticising Ulster Unionism isn't anti-British racism or whatever.

[fionntan]

The comments posted on the article suggest that several people do not support such acts of "justice." I hope that these objections of the community will be taken into account. In the interests of direct democracy.

Oh, and by the way...what percentage of the local community actually voted in favour of this latest piece of direct democratic community justice?


I wouldnt know i dont live in that part of belfast but i would be sure that the community wanted him shot or he wouldnt of been.

[Tifosi]

I wouldnt know i dont live in that part of belfast but i would be sure that the community wanted him shot or he wouldnt of been.

Well, how many people on average vote on these matters in your area of Belfast?

[fionntan]

Maybe phrasing it as vote was the wrong description on my behalf. If someone raps my door tonight and informs me of a deviant round the corner living the people in the area would get together talk it through and then a member of the relivant group would be contacted or i dont know could be at the meeting then i asume they are arrested and questioned then community justice is given if they are found guilty of crimes against the working class or crimes again humanity in the case of pedos.

[Crux]

I wouldnt know i dont live in that part of belfast but i would be sure that the community wanted him shot or he wouldnt of been.
So in other words you don't really care what the local community thinks, as long as it happens it's sanctioned in your view? You're digging yourself deeper down a hole.

[Tifosi]

Maybe phrasing it as vote was the wrong description on my behalf. If someone raps my door tonight and informs me of a deviant round the corner living the people in the area would get together talk it through and then a member of the relivant group would be contacted or i dont know could be at the meeting then i asume they are arrested and questioned then community justice is given if they are found guilty of crimes against the working class or crimes again humanity in the case of pedos.

This is all a bit vague, and I get the impression your pulling this out of thin air.

But anyway, a lot of organizing must go into this. With people being given the task of going out and informing everyone in the community of what's going down. With people investigating the suspect(s) to see if there is a case against them, collecting evidence etc. Getting a lawyer to defend the suspect. You know the drill right, you've done it all before, right?

When I used to see myself as a big supporter of Irish Republicanism, I never heard news of things like this going down. I would hear storys of how "there was a pedo that got shot in the New Lodge last night" etc, but this is the first I have heard of these large community meetings going down.

[Belleraphone]

I don't want to give the State the power to cut my dick off.

[Lucretia]

Maybe phrasing it as vote was the wrong description on my behalf. If someone raps my door tonight and informs me of a deviant round the corner living the people in the area would get together talk it through and then a member of the relivant group would be contacted or i dont know could be at the meeting then i asume they are arrested and questioned then community justice is given if they are found guilty of crimes against the working class or crimes again humanity in the case of pedos.

You've clearly spent a total of what? 3 or 4 seconds educating yourself about the issue of illegal sexual activity involving minors before regurgitating the most dumbed-down, hysteria-driven platitudes? "Deviant"? What is this? The Salem Witch Trials or revleft? Please tell me your posts in this thread are a parody, because they cannot possibly be from somebody whose worldview is supposed to be based on logic and science, not superstition. Why don't you just shut up now before embarrassing yourself even more?

[EvilRedGuy]

Seriously what the fuck is fucking wrong you guys?
Advocating castration and labor camp?

I suggest you guys get send to the gulag and get castrated instead of them and see how it actually feels, you pseudo-leftists go join the right-wing. Fascist wankers.

Pedophiles and other people should be helped not attacked, that's fucked up especially seeing that from a so-called "Anarcho-Communist" (looking at you Smyg) maybe you should join the right-wing, also known as State-capitalists(Stalin-Capitalists, Stalinists, Leninists, etc.) :laugh:

[Smyg]

Oh, don't blame me :D, I fully realise how wrong it is. Due to the personal experiences of several people very close to me, which has left them very traumatised, I can't help but feel anything but utter blind hatred.

[fionntan]

Seriously what the fuck is fucking wrong you guys?
Advocating castration and labor camp?

I suggest you guys get send to the gulag and get castrated instead of them and see how it actually feels, you pseudo-leftists go join the right-wing. Fascist wankers.

Pedophiles and other people should be helped not attacked, that's fucked up especially seeing that from a so-called "Anarcho-Communist" (looking at you Smyg) maybe you should join the right-wing, also known as State-capitalists(Stalin-Capitalists, Stalinists, Leninists, etc.) :laugh:


Nothing worse than peados than those filth who line up to defend them.

[Lucretia]

Nothing worse than peados than those filth who line up to defend them.

The only thing worse than a hypermoralistic reactionary is one who pretends to be a revolutionary leftist.

[fionntan]

Big words dont impress me and i know what i am and always have been and always will be. You on the other hand are worth a good watching... I wouldnt fancy you living next door to me..

[Lucretia]

Big words dont impress me and i know what i am and always have been and always will be. You on the other hand are worth a good watching... I wouldnt fancy you living next door to me..

Quite frankly, I wouldn't fancy you living next door to me either. I've had enough politically reactionary neighbors in my long life. I have very little patience for one who would like to pretend there is something leftist or progressive about calling for castrating people because of a medical label he can't even define. As for big words, it's obvious that they do not impress you. Your posts here demonstrate clearly you are far more impressed by ignorance, blind accusations, and pathetic innuendo.

[fionntan]

You are an appoligist for child rapists which in my view puts on power with the offenders. You should be treated the same.

[Lucretia]

You are an appoligist for child rapists which in my view puts on power with the offenders. You should be treated the same.

Don't try to cover up your stupidity by making libelous accusations. Just repeat after me: "I, fionntan, am a fucking idiot. I call for castrating people who have a medical condition I cannot even define." The kind of ignorant, shame- and fear-based politics you're peddling here have absolutely no place in a leftist formation.

[fionntan]

Well i work of street politics/Class politics and the people i know would string you up with the boot laces of the dead child rapist you defend like it or not. If that means im not pigeon holed into your crass formation of the left im glade.

[tir1944]

I suggest you guys get send to the gulag and get castrated instead of them and see how it actually feels, you pseudo-leftists go join the right-wing.No,thank you.
On the other hand i'm also hot a pedophile...


you pseudo-leftists go join the right-wing. Fascist wankers.Moron,being a leftist doesn't have anthing to do with whether you advocate labor camps or not.
So yeah.


Pedophiles and other people should be helped not attacked.Yes,work therapy.

[Smyg]

You people amuse me. To think that anger can be created so easily over the internet.

[Lucretia]

Well i work of street politics/Class politics and the people i know would string you up with the boot laces of the dead child rapist you defend like it or not. If that means im not pigeon holed into your crass formation of the left im glade.

It's funny that you keep throwing accusations of people being "apologists for child rape" and the like, because it's always the people who protest and attack sexual "deviancy" the loudest who are the ones most likely to engage in those "deviant" practices. Laud Humphreys called this "the breastplate of righteousness."

Good luck building a socialist society based on a "class politics" of ignorance and sexual mccarthyism. And don't forget to shine that breastplate every now and then.

[fionntan]

Is raping children not deviant i see you put brackets round the word "deviant" Hence me thinking that you call it something else???? Worth a watching... Is being against the rape of children sexual ignorance??

[Lucretia]

Is raping children not deviant i see you put brackets round the word "deviant" Hence me thinking that you call it something else???? Worth a watching...

So now I might be a "child rapist" because I put quotes around "deviant" to demonstrate that the term is often thrown around by sexual mccarthyites like you to label all sorts of harmless sexual behavior, including masturbation, as perverted and sinful?

Just remember, it's almost always the advocates of moral and sexual purity -- the people who insist on castration and all other sorts of barbaric practices -- that are the ones who end up trolling chat rooms for underage people when they think their audience of fellow McCarthyites aren't watching. The more hysterical you become here, the more suspicions are raised about your own personal conduct :)

[tir1944]

Yes, of course it's deviant and there's nothing wrong with using the term in this context.
Pedophilia is DEVIANT behavior.

[Lucretia]

Yes, of course it's deviant and there's nothing wrong with using the term in this context.
Pedophilia is DEVIANT behavior.

Pedophilia is not a behavior, moron.

[tir1944]

What is it then?
Also definition:
The actions displayed by an organism in response to its environment.

[fionntan]

Again is being against the rape of children sexual ignorance? And is being an appolagist for child rapists a peodophile? Simple question..


Worth a watching...

[fionntan]

Pedophilia is not a behavior, moron.


Im just gona have to come out with this bann me if yous please..



This person is trying to justify child rape and should be banned/killed...

[Smyg]

As much as I hate to defend pedophilia, it isn't a behaviour - it's a psychiatric disorder.

[Lucretia]

Im just gona have to come out with this bann me if yous please..



This person is trying to justify child rape and should be banned/killed...

I am apologizing for child rape because I observe the fact you are posting in a thread about castrating pedophiles, yet can't define what pedophilia is? Or does my supposed apologizing lie in my noting the undisputed truth that it is always the most outspoken advocates of sexual purity who lead the most questionable kinds of sex lives? Or is it because I actually know what the definition of pedophilia is -- a medical problem characterized by intense sexual desire, lasting more than a month, for prepubescent children -- and am correcting people who erroneously believe that pedophilia is some kind of behavior?

In which of these points do you detect any kind of apologizing for anything?

You have serious issues, man.

[fionntan]

Sexual purity,medical problems,Characterized by sexual desire....Your words appoligist.


Worth a watching ..

[Lucretia]

Sexual purity,medical problems,Characterized by sexual desire....Your words appoligist.


Worth a watching ..

It's worth a watching that pedophilia is a medical condition, characterized a particular kind of sexual DESIRE (not BEHAVIOR) sustained over a long period, and that I am aware of a long list of people who try to hide their private antics by putting on a public face of being the most ardent crusaders for punishing the pervs?

Yes, I do think it is worth a watching. That is why I posted it publicly. :rolleyes:

[阿部高和]

It's a negative for human rights but a victory for justice.

[hatzel]

Sometimes I read a thread and just think "if that's the kind of person the Left is made up of, I want absolutely nothing to do with it."

Just thought I'd let you all know...

[ColonelCossack]

I...Think...I'd...rather...die.

[fionntan]

Ive came to the conclusion that my stomagh is that sore with burning hatred towards you im gona not answer you any more. I just hope a comrade on here gets your ip address.

[Crux]

Again is being against the rape of children sexual ignorance? And is being an appolagist for child rapists a peodophile? Simple question..


Worth a watching...
You protest too much, mr hardman.

[tir1944]

It's worth a watching that pedophilia is a medical condition, characterized a particular kind of sexual DESIRE (not BEHAVIOR) sustained over a long period
What sophistry.
PEDOPHILIA is having sex with children.

[Lucretia]

Ive came to the conclusion that my stomagh is that sore with burning hatred towards you im gona not answer you any more. I just hope a comrade on here gets your ip address.

You've never answered me. You've just been throwing around ridiculous accusations, and are now trying to encourage other people on this forum to collect personal information about me (as if I would be stupid enough to post on a forum like this from an IP that would trace back to my identity).

I'll repeat once more: you're a sick individual, and I strongly encourage you to seek help.

[Lucretia]

What sophistry.
PEDOPHILIA is having sex with children.

You don't know what you're talking about. Having sex with children is having sex with children, which is a crime. Pedophilia is a medical diagnosis based on specific criteria. Many people who rape children are not pedophiles. This is Abnormal Psychology 101.

[Crux]

Nothing worse than peados than those filth who line up to defend them.
I oppose the death penalty for murder. Do I therefore defend murderers? See you keep throwing around logical fallacies and ad hominems like you wouldn't be able to argue for your position. Oh right. And now you've upped to implied physical threats. That infraction you are so eagerly waiting for is probably coming your way soon.

[Joseph S.]

What sophistry.
PEDOPHILIA is having sex with children.The sickest thing to doe imho.
I can even have more sympathies for the excuses of a fascist than for these sick perverted mind's.
:crying:

[Crux]

The sickest thing to doe imho.
I can even have more sympathies for the excuses of a fascist than for these sick perverted mind's.
:crying:
As far as I can tell no one is making excuses, we just have a disagreement on the rememedy.

[fionntan]

I oppose the death penalty for murder. Do I therefore defend murderers? See you keep throwing around logical fallacies and ad hominems like you wouldn't be able to argue for your position. Oh right. And now you've upped to implied physical threats. That infraction you are so eagerly waiting for is probably coming your way soon.


Ye fecking ale doll...infraction me:laugh::laugh:

[tir1944]

Pedophilia is a medical diagnosis based on specific criteria.
On the criteria...of raping children?
Lol give me a break.
Anyone who rapes or has sex with a child is a pedophile.

[Le Socialiste]

You are an appoligist for child rapists which in my view puts on power with the offenders. You should be treated the same.


Well i work of street politics/Class politics and the people i know would string you up with the boot laces of the dead child rapist you defend like it or not. If that means im not pigeon holed into your crass formation of the left im glade.


Im just gona have to come out with this bann me if yous please..



This person is trying to justify child rape and should be banned/killed...

How anyone can be allowed to advocate the murder of another member for his/her views is beyond me...fionntan, you think you should be banned? Well, I just hope the mods take you up on that offer. Your posts have been nothing but the worst kind of bile, fueled by your own reactionary views. To say a member of this site should be "strung up by the shoe laces of the dead child rapist" is just...there's no words. How is this not grounds for banning?

Edit - And cut the "worth a watching" crap. It's just plain annoying.

[Le Socialiste]

It's a negative for human rights but a victory for justice.

And what justice might that be?

[Lucretia]

On the criteria...of raping children?
Lol give me a break.
Anyone who rapes or has sex with a child is a pedophile.

Pedophilia is not synonymous with child molestation. Pedophiles no doubt molest children, but so do people who are not pedophiles. The problem with your way of thinking is that it creates a misconception about child molestation. A large percentage of child molestation is incest, which happens within the family, committed by men who are married and for the most part do not meet the medical criteria for pedophilia set down in the DSM (which is what psychiatrists and psychologists use to diagnose pedophilia, by the way).

[fionntan]

Pedophilia is not synonymous with child molestation. Pedophiles no doubt molest children, but so do people who are not pedophiles. The problem with your way of thinking is that it creates a misconception about child molestation. A large percentage of child molestation is incest, which happens within the family, committed by men who are married and for the most part do not meet the medical criteria for pedophilia set down in the DSM (which is what psychiatrists and psychologists use to diagnose pedophilia, by the way).


Where you diagnosed?

[Lucretia]

Where you diagnosed?

No, but before I retired I did diagnose more than a few. They are actual flesh-and-blood people with medical problems and need to be treated, not castrated and punished like subhumans.

[Crux]

Where you diagnosed?
That would be *were and that's not a very constructive contribution either.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

Where you diagnosed?

Yes, do like your predecessor, Fat Cat Killer, and keep on digging yourself into a squalid hole in the earth where thick muddy walls of your reactionary ignorance will shield you from everything but your own necrotic rage.

[fionntan]

That would be *were and that's not a very constructive contribution either.


Thanks for picking up on my spelling... Does that make my point any less valid?

[hatzel]

No, but before I retired I did diagnose more than a few.

Something tells me fionntan's 'reply' will be something like "well if you knew they were paedophiles and didn't shoot them in the balls immediately then that's proof you're a paedophile apologist and should be killed"...:sleep:

[Crux]

Thanks for picking up on my spelling... Does that make my point any less valid?
To be fair, it's hard to make it less valid than "Not at all".

[PhoenixAsh]

Fucking hell...so much ignorance in this thread it makes me dizzy.


Lucretia is absolutely and 100% correct in stating that pedophelia is a psychological/psychiatric disorder/condition.

This condition is very narrowly defined within both the DSM and ICD models which are the basis of psychological diagnosis and classification. And biological and medical research have shown clear proof that pedophilia is directly linked to variations in brainsturcture and function.

Pedophialia is part of the category of Chronophelia. This is the term used for people who have a sexual arousal perference or induviduals belonging to a certain age group....WETHER OR NOT THEY ACT ON IT.

Together with hebephilia, pedophelia is classified as a paraphilia (a sexual attraction and/or arousal to something which deviates from the norm...WETHER OR NOT THEY ACT ON IT)

The grouping goes like this:

Pedophelia; arousal lasting longer than one month for prepubescent children in the age range of 0-11 (depending on purberty onset) where the induvidual is at least 16 years of age and the object of desire at least 5 years younger. Independent of acting on that desire or not. Desire needs to be prevalent over desire for adults or early and late pubescent children.


Hebephilia; arousal for pubescent children in early puberty in the age range 11-14 (depending on onset of puberty). Wether they act on it or not. Must be prevalent arousal.


Ephebophilia is the arousal for children and early adults in post puberty age category 15-19. Must be prevalent arousal.


Teleiophilia arousal for adults...of any age

Gerontophelia arousal for the elderly

Below are additional necessary factors:

These classifications exist on the basis of major arousal group. Ergo...if somebody gets aroused by a specific prepubescent child, but generally only gets aroused by adults. That person is NOT a pedophile.

Also the classification exists regardless from if the person acts on the arousal or not. A person who never ever touched a child sexually can still be a pedophile.

The arousal does not have to be chronic but it does need to be prolonged and it must be prevalent. Somebody who has sex with a prepubescent child because of other reasons (such as alcohol abuse, stress, mental disorder etc.) is NOT a pedophile.

If any of the above factors is not met then the person in question is not belonging to a certain classification group.

This means that not all child molesters are pedophiles and not all pedophiles are child molesters.

Also note that pedophelia is NOT a legal term. There is NO legal definition of pedophelia. Pedophelia which turns into acting on the arousal is NEVER prosecuted under the term pedophelia which in itself is never outlawed by law but under several other judicial terms which may or may not add the phrasing of: "legally underage".


Use terminology correctly....don't be an ignorant fool. Wether or not you agree with certain acts is not an excuse to simply start throwing around misinformed and misguided classification terminology on the basis of emotive arguments rather than what they are intended for. It makes you sound like the Glen Beck of child abuse.