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The Jay

10th October 2011, 18:49

I have a problem, Lil Wayne makes me feel racist, but it's not just him. Whenever I listen to rap I inevitably hear a song which makes me loose faith in black people as a whole. I know it's not fair, and I like individual blacks. I give everyone a fair shot, but when you take a look at BET, certain hip-hop and rap, and Kanye West it's hard not to twitch a little bit. I'm pissed that it happens and am ashamed at the media for: 1) portraying blacks like ignorant idiots, 2) supporting a view of black helplessness, and most importantly 3) pushing me to write this post. I feel like this post will help me express my frustration and am looking forward to some constructive feedback.:(

take this for example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeSW_tCW9Tw&feature=related

Decolonize The Left

11th October 2011, 20:50

No need to focus on black people, Bill O'Reilly makes white people look like bigoted swine.

I guess the point here is that there's no need to judge an entire race by 3-10 individuals who are put in the spotlight.

- August

Agnapostate

11th October 2011, 20:53

So watch a Lil Wayne diss recorded by a black dude.

gtfd69DfOak (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtfd69DfOak)

Wall$reet_Weenie

12th October 2011, 02:56

Obviously Lil Wayne and such people do not represent the entire black community, but even the Portion it does shouldn't be looked down upon. They are just as capable as anyone else, but simply were not given the opportunity. What you should be angry at the media for is forcing these ideals down the throats of young black men and women.

jcsites

12th October 2011, 03:33

We are having the same impressions. Im glad that there is such site wherein you can express your thoughts to people who might be forgetting that they are being racist.:(

jcsites

12th October 2011, 03:38

I'm glad you post your ideas. We are having the same impressions. There should be no more racism. All is fair, black or white...

tfb

12th October 2011, 04:08

Compare what you see of black people on BET to what you see of white people on MTV...

...and now you're no longer racist. ;)

The Jay

12th October 2011, 04:13

Compare what you see of black people on BET to what you see of white people on MTV...

...and now you're no longer racist. ;)

Hahaha, I feel much better now, thx.

tfb

12th October 2011, 04:39

Pirate Utopian

12th October 2011, 04:45

The Jay

12th October 2011, 04:51

Stupid threads are stupid.

This is just a thread for the OP to moan about how little he likes Lil Wayne. If you seriously base your opinion of an entire people on one guy you're a dumbass. But that's not the point here, it's to rip on Lil Wayne. If you wanna do that just make a thread in the music section, better yet we already have a thread on Weezy.

No, it's not, it's how the media puts forth bad examples of black culture and how they succeed. It belongs in the discrimination section, and I was not insulting him as a person, I believe in the op I said that he couldn't be as bad as he comes across.

Misanthrope

12th October 2011, 12:23

You have an irrational and fantastical view of the African-American community.

RedGrunt

12th October 2011, 19:08

Lil Wayne is a puppet.
He does not represent the black working class community but the corporate media-whom are probably largely white, conservative, and obviously not working class.

scarletghoul

12th October 2011, 20:04

I propose that a Lil Wayne Subforum be made, in either music or ongoing struggles.

tir1944

12th October 2011, 20:09

And how do you feel about Whites after listening to R.Black or J.Bieber lol?

Ocean Seal

12th October 2011, 22:57

So black people are approximately 11% of the global population. That's about 770 million people. How many black rappers do you dislike? <100 (I assume)

100
-------
770,000,000

:lol:

There are people of all races on television who reinforce negative stereotypes, but they don't speak for the majority. In fact, the media is controlled by the bourgeoisie who profit from stereotypes and racism. So its likely that they'll want those stereotypes over-represented.

RadioRaheem84

12th October 2011, 23:49

Lil Wayne is OK. I guess the hate is because Southern rappers like him are all about swagger and no social conscious in the lyrics.

I love Southern Rap though. It's witty, it's catchy, it has the best beats.

I am sorry but the Northeast scene tries way too hard to be smart about their rap.

Like the rap video that was posted above, I get it, you have a conscious, so what?

The social conscious rap out there is good but the beats and rhymes tend to be whack as hell.

Get some Three Six Mafia, UGK, and Bun B in your stereo and listen to some good creative lyrics.

Frank Zapatista

13th October 2011, 00:43

Scott Joplin: black
The Mills Brothers: black
Duke Ellington: black
Louis Armstrong: black
Robert Johnson: black
Miles Davis: black
Chuck Berry: black
Nina Simone: black
James Brown: black
The Supremes: black
Marvin Gaye: black
Love: black
Jimi Hendrix: black
Lee "Scratch" Perry: black
Bob Marley: black
George Clinton: black
Bad Brains: black
Prince: black
Public Enemy, Big Daddy Kane, Nas, The Wu-Tang Clan, Lauryn Hill, Snoop Dogg, etc. etc. etc.: black
Lil Wayne: also black, but it doesn't cancel out everything else!
THIS. Oh, god, this so much. If you want to find some great black musicians look no farther than Jazz, I'm a big Miles Davis fan. Want to go on the greatest music trip you'll ever expierience? Throw on *****es Brew. I have tried so hard to get into hip hop because my friends are all huge fans and I really can't. I think it's probably the fact that I care nothing for lyrics at all, its all about the music itself for me, I have more of an appreciation for the people making the beats but in reality, the beats in hip hop arn't enough to make me a fan. Also, I don't think Bad Brains are a good example with them being homophobes and all.

RadioRaheem84

13th October 2011, 01:00

Not to mention spoken word from the likes of Gil Scott Heron.

Property Is Robbery

13th October 2011, 05:42

And how do you feel about Whites after listening to R.Black or J.Bieber lol?
Hey don't rip on Rebecca Black :cool:

PC LOAD LETTER

13th October 2011, 05:59

blackandyellow

18th October 2011, 17:40

OP, Sounds like you need to quit listening to hip-pop and listen to some hip-hop

Here's a song from the perspective of crack cocaine, alcohol, and HIV ... personified. Original, huh?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wi_EMMFJlYA

Some other good shit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dm-jkqwz2HM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5cXWc0LJ74
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vicurK4942E

My the slur hip-pop, i assume you mean, 'popular hip hop'? What is wrong with Hip Hop that is popular? Do you feel superior when you inform people that you like Hip Hop, 'but not that stuff on the radio, I like that hardcore underground stuff'. It's so cliche to be anti-cliche.

Let us resume the topic of Lil' Wayne though. Lot's of people said the Carter IV was dissapointing. It was not as good as the Carter albums before, but it was still good in my opinion. Here are some examples:
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(drake really made the song for this one)
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PC LOAD LETTER

18th October 2011, 18:14

My the slur hip-pop, i assume you mean, 'popular hip hop'? What is wrong with Hip Hop that is popular? Do you feel superior when you inform people that you like Hip Hop, 'but not that stuff on the radio, I like that hardcore underground stuff'. It's so cliche to be anti-cliche.
By hip-pop, I mean hip-hop that has no artistic merit and merely serves to sound catchy and make money. Binary Star coined the term back in the 90s. Also, one of the artists I posted is affiliated with the Wu-Tang Clan. Is that really underground? Everyone loves some Wu-Tang!!

I would be so happy if some of the underground artists I listen to were popular as hell as long as they kept making good music. And no, I have an extreme distaste for 90% of the "hip-hop" on the radio because it FUCKING BLOWS. Unlike hipsters, I LIKE when more people start listening to these underground peoples. CunninLynguists popularity has exploded since 2007, and they seriously deserve it. You can even find their CDs at random corporate chain CD-stores now, but they still make good music!!

I appreciate the prejudgment, though. I have some news for you: Lil Wayne is an ignorant fuck who makes shitty music. He is quite possibly one of the WORST 'rappers' I've ever heard in my life, and I *almost* wish for his death so I can stop hearing his shitty music all over the damn place.

Decolonize The Left

18th October 2011, 19:32

So watch a Lil Wayne diss recorded by a black dude.

gtfd69DfOak (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtfd69DfOak)

That video/track is fucking terrible. I mean really bad.

My thoughts expressed via talented artists:
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That goes for Lil' Wayne as well, dude's a tool.
Next. Question.

- August

Vladimir Innit Lenin

18th October 2011, 19:52

Not really a fan of lil wayne at all, don't think he's all that talented, though a couple of his songs are okay as background music.

But yeah, the criticisms of the OP, that he is generalising based on the projection of more famous black hip-hop artists, across the entire black population, are valid. I don't have a problem with much of hip-hop culture, but some idiots like lil wayne who seem to try and validate the whole 'b*tch*s, guns and drugs' thing really do get on my nerves.

Agnapostate

19th October 2011, 00:42

That video/track is fucking terrible. I mean really bad.

Hopsin's the most lyrically talented rapper that's come up in the past year...

PC LOAD LETTER

19th October 2011, 05:58

That video/track is fucking terrible. I mean really bad.

My thoughts expressed via talented artists:
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That goes for Lil' Wayne as well, dude's a tool.
Next. Question.

- August

August, I have a quick question ... Can I Kick It?? :lol:

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Hiero

19th October 2011, 06:20

The wierd thing about the OP is that he acknowledges that BET use, create and promote certain and then the OP's admits because of thoose images he feels negative feelings to black people. It is like saying "I know Santa Clause is not real, but I can't help not believing in him, I blame the elves". If you watch a Lil'Wayne clip and say "I hate black people" there is something wrong with you, not BET.

RadioRaheem84

19th October 2011, 14:17

August, I have a quick question ... Can I Kick It?? :lol:

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More whack socially conscious rap you can't even dance to.

Lyrics too fast to keep up with. Old 90s East Coast beat that is played out.

Go to youtube, take a sip of Jack, smoke a blunt and listen to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0EWJ_slL7I

Or this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2klTw123_jw&ob=av3e

http://vanowiki.wikispaces.com/file/view/Fidel_Castro_Cigar.jpg/89384185/Fidel_Castro_Cigar.jpg

RadioRaheem84

19th October 2011, 14:18

Damn how do you post a youtube video?

Per Levy

19th October 2011, 14:26

Damn how do you post a youtube video?

you only post the bolded part http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeRRaKxjSTM into the so you only post what comes after the = in the link.

blackandyellow

19th October 2011, 18:09

I think you gentlemen are all forgetting Big KRIT

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I would much rather nod my head or have a smoke to this music than nonsense like Killah Priest.

Franz Fanonipants

19th October 2011, 21:22

hey op i hope this helps, you're a fucking racist.

Agnapostate

19th October 2011, 21:49

I had the opposite problem, and low key still do, I guess. It was hard for me to think of some rappers as "fat cats" because they weren't white, i.e. in line with the stereotype. Yet if you watch this video, it's obvious that Lil Wayne, Birdman, and Rick Ross all qualify.

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PC LOAD LETTER

19th October 2011, 21:57

More whack socially conscious rap you can't even dance to.

Lyrics too fast to keep up with. Old 90s East Coast beat that is played out.

Go to youtube, take a sip of Jack, smoke a blunt and listen to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0EWJ_slL7I

Or this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2klTw123_jw&ob=av3e

http://vanowiki.wikispaces.com/file/view/Fidel_Castro_Cigar.jpg/89384185/Fidel_Castro_Cigar.jpg
Based on my posts in this thread, what the fuck makes you think I want to listen to that shit you call "music"?

I mean, seriously? Poppin' My Collar? What the fuck is wrong with you?

And Binary Star formed and disbanded IN THE 90s

CommieTroll

19th October 2011, 22:03

What about all the good rappers? Ice Cube, Snoop Dogg, Tyler the Creator, Cypress Hill? Comparing race and music genre is fucking stupid

RadioRaheem84

19th October 2011, 22:47

Based on my posts in this thread, what the fuck makes you think I want to listen to that shit you call "music"?

I mean, seriously? Poppin' My Collar? What the fuck is wrong with you?

And Binary Star formed and disbanded IN THE 90s

Way better tunes to swing to then some socially conscious whack rap, especially since you cannot swing to some old 90s outdated beats like most of the East Coast shit being pumped out living off of their glory days. No one down South finds that shit the least bit appealing.

Yes, Souther Rap has character, it's witty and has a mad sense of humor, not unlike a lot of the Brooklyn rappers that take themselves way too seriously.

EightBall and MJG, Three Six, UGK, OUTKAST blow any of those other guys out the water with their witty rhymes and their funky ass beats.

Total smoke out and chill music, not angry as hell pseudo-intellectual crap like Mos Def. I applaud them for being vocal about current events and social issues, but as far as having good beats and solid creative lyrics, the South has them beat by a mile.

Get yer mind correct.

Also, dude, I am not being totally serious. It's just my opinion on hip hop. I respect East Coast rap, it's just not my cup o' tea.

PC LOAD LETTER

19th October 2011, 23:44

Way better tunes to swing to then some socially conscious whack rap, especially since you cannot swing to some old 90s outdated beats like most of the East Coast shit being pumped out living off of their glory days. No one down South finds that shit the least bit appealing.

Yes, Souther Rap has character, it's witty and has a mad sense of humor, not unlike a lot of the Brooklyn rappers that take themselves way too seriously.

EightBall and MJG, Three Six, UGK, OUTKAST blow any of those other guys out the water with their witty rhymes and their funky ass beats.

Total smoke out and chill music, not angry as hell pseudo-intellectual crap like Mos Def. I applaud them for being vocal about current events and social issues, but as far as having good beats and solid creative lyrics, the South has them beat by a mile.

Get yer mind correct.

Also, dude, I am not being totally serious. It's just my opinion on hip hop. I respect East Coast rap, it's just not my cup o' tea.
Apologies for gettin' all crazy on you and that other dude in this thread. I've had some sort of a jaw infection related to my wisdom teeth and as a result had to get my wisdom teeth out this morning, so I've been REALLY REALLY on edge from the pain and resulting lack of sufficient sleep for the last week and a half or two weeks.

I'll admit, if I'm at a party or something, and I'm drunk, I like to listen to some catchy southern shit. And three 6 fits in pretty well, especially some of their older shit like tear da club up. Nobody at a party wants to hear some depressing shit out of the speakers.

But in my free time, I'm a nut for intelligent, socially-conscious hip-hop. And I ultimately do respect those artists far more than the ones geared towards a party audience.

But either way I still don't like Lil Wayne. He's an arrogant ass. I think the only song I liked from him was Hustler Musik off Carter 2.

RadioRaheem84

19th October 2011, 23:47

But in my free time, I'm a nut for intelligent, socially-conscious hip-hop

Me too. I like Dead Prez, Immortal Technique, the conscious stuff Kanye puts out, Saul Williams, and Public Enemy (pure 90s East Coast).

But either way I still don't like Lil Wayne. He's an arrogant ass.

I do not like Lil Wayne either.

The Jay

19th October 2011, 23:49

This thread is still going? Haha I didn't know it'd be so controversial. I guess I was just in a depressed place when I started it or something. BTW sry about your wisdom teeth, that sucks.

Agnapostate

20th October 2011, 02:53

Here's more good rap for you to listen to. :cool:

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