David Duke endorses the Tea Party

[Le Libérer]

If there was any question the Tea Party isnt a white supremacist racist movement, David Duke removes all doubt!
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[MattShizzle]

Big surprise. Fucking piece of shit Nazi. He never left that movement.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

I thought he had endorsed it long ago,I mean,last I was viewing Scumfront there was a thread complaining about the "hijacking" of the movement.

[Skooma Addict]

Even if it was a white supremacist movement (which I don't think it is), using that as an argument is a bad strategic move by the left. It won't work and the tea partiers will just say you are resorting to typical "leftist" remarks.

[Le Libérer]

Even if it was a white supremacist movement (which I don't think it is), using that as an argument is a bad strategic move by the left. It won't work and the tea partiers will just say you are resorting to typical "leftist" remarks.
I really dont care what racists say I am resorting to.... its from their own mouths that validify the label.

Tell me Skooma Addict, why dont you think they are white supremacists? Did you not listen to his rantings on reverse racism?

[Skooma Addict]

I really dont care what racists say I am resorting to.... its from their own mouths that validity the label.

Tell me Skooma Addict, why dont you think they are white supremacists? Did you not listen to his rantings on reverse racism?

Well I did not watch the video, and I am sure there are some racists who endorse the tea party. Stuff like that will happen with all fringe movements. But I still don't think they are racist, even though I am sure some racists are attracted to them.

[Le Libérer]

Well I did not watch he video, and I am sure there are some racists who endorse the tea party. Stuff like that will happen with all fringe movements. But I still don't think they are racist, even though I am sure some racists are attracted to them.
He points out what things they beleive as a group that are definately racist. Such as returning to the heritiage this country was built on, he highlights that programs like affirmative action are racist programs against white people.

I highly recommend you listen to it.

[Skooma Addict]

He points out what things they beleive as a group that are definately racist. Such as returning to the heritiage this country was built on, he highlights that programs like affirmative action are racist programs against white people.

I highly recommend you listen to it.

When the tea party people say they want to return to the heritage of the country, it is because of their fetish with the constitution and the "founding fathers." Not because of racism. Affirmative action is racist.

[#FF0000]

Affirmative action is racist.

No.

[RichardAWilson]

What's wrong with his face? It looks like someone gave him a facial.

[Skooma Addict]

No.

I think we have different definitions of "racist."

[Misanthrope]

I hate the typical white nationalist argument... People would be calling a White Entertainment Channel racist! Why isn't there a white heritage month? ect ect... What a bunch of paranoid loons.

[#FF0000]

I think we have different definitions of "racist."

Yeah and yours is wrong

[Skooma Addict]

Yeah and yours is wrong

OK how about this. Affirmative action discriminates on the basis of race.

[A Revolutionary Tool]

I think we have different definitions of "racist."
We have affirmative action because our government believes black people are superior?

[#FF0000]

OK how about this. Affirmative action discriminates on the basis of race.

Because white people are in a position of privilege

[CAleftist]

The "Tea Party movement" really isn't one cohesive "movement." Yes, a big part of it is right-wing media manipulation and agitation of the more abrasive and reactionary elements of the Republican Party, but to say that it's one "movement"-let alone a white supremacist movement-is giving them more credit than they deserve, and disingenuous.

[Skooma Addict]

Because white people are in a position of privilege

How so?

[Geiseric]

They are highly against immigration, which I see as racist given recent data on how the U.S. at this point needs immigrant labor in order to farm stuff, the fact of which is rediculous. i wonder if the rank and file ever wondered if its the farm owners and managers fault that farm labor relations are so crappy.

[#FF0000]

How so?

Black people are at an inherent disadvantage because of about 200 years of racial discrimination which is reflected in relative wealth, housing, education, etc etc.

For example, white people and black people are just as likely to get pulled over by cops. Black people, though, are about twice or three times as likely to be searched

Black students are less likely, as another example, to be placed into honors or advanced courses in schools than a white student with the same test scores is. That is, a white student who maintains a 93 percent grade in an Academic English class is more likely to be bumped up to Honors than a black student with the same grade.

This same thing applies to jobs, where black applicants with the same qualifications as a white applicant is less likely to get the job than the white applicant.

And housing? Well, first of all, banks specifically targeted black families for their predatory loans. Secondly, black families looking for a home are, generally, shown fewer options, and end up paying more on their mortgage than white people, despite the value of their homes being, on average, far lower.

Redlining was only struck down as official policy, what, 40 years ago? Please. These things have inertia. The effects of inequality and injustices over the course of 150 years don't just stop because a law is written. Black people still suffer from America's history of racism, and affirmative action is a (problematic) method to fixing the problem.

[RichardAWilson]

We wouldn't need Affirmative Action if every able-bodied American were guaranteed a full-time job that provided a living wage.

[Skooma Addict]

For example, white people and black people are just as likely to get pulled over by cops. Black people, though, are about twice or three times as likely to be searched.

Because they are more likely to commit crimes. Now maybe the cause for the crime is poverty or bad neighborhoods or whatever, but they still are more likely to cause crime.


Black students are less likely, as another example, to be placed into honors or advanced courses in schools than a white student with the same test scores is. That is, a white student who maintains a 93 percent grade in an Academic English class is more likely to be bumped up to Honors than a black student with the same grade.

Are you referring to high school here? Because in college it is the exact opposite. Blacks can get into colleges with lower scores. This is why 50% of black students in law school are in the bottom 10% of their class.


And housing? Well, first of all, banks specifically targeted black families for their predatory loans. Secondly, black families looking for a home are, generally, shown fewer options, and end up paying more on their mortgage than white people, despite the value of their homes being, on average, far lower.

I am sure they targeted poor black families, just as loan sharks target the poor in general. Idk about the higher mortgages, never heard of that. But I doubt the banks are all run by racists looking to ruin black people.


Redlining was only struck down as official policy, what, 40 years ago? Please. These things have inertia. The effects of inequality and injustices over the course of 150 years don't just stop because a law is written. Black people still suffer from America's history of racism, and affirmative action is a (problematic) method to fixing the problem.


It is problematic because people who had nothing to do with injustices of the past lose out from affirmative action, and people get into colleges and programs which they are not qualified for.

[Le Libérer]

Because they are more likely to commit crimes. Now maybe the cause for the crime is poverty or bad neighborhoods or whatever, but they still are more likely to cause crime.

This is completely untrue. White color crimes costs more to the working class than petty crimes committed by people of color/ in poverty. Crimes committed by whites in power are harder to convict, because they have the means to fight the charges. Wall street bail outs come to mind. Ponsi schemes, etc.

Not only that, whites who are arrested for the same crimes as people of color are rarely sentenced the same.

I know of a black man who was arrested for an ounce of marijuana. In my state anything less than an ounce is a Misdemeanor. An ounce or more is considered a felony. This man was charged with the felony and is sentenced to 5 years in prison. A white man with the same amount is usually charged with the lessor charge and fined. Institutional racism is why Louisiana has the highest incarceraton rate in the country.

You are highly misinformed if you believe blacks commit more crimes than whites.

[#FF0000]

Because they are more likely to commit crimes. Now maybe the cause for the crime is poverty or bad neighborhoods or whatever, but they still are more likely to cause crime.

First off, getting searched doesn't mean someone committed a crime. Second of all, you are now talking about racial profiling.

But lets talk about crime. Specifically, drug crime, which I think makes up the bulk of most offenders in our justice system at this point. Now, rates of drug use are just about equal among white and black folks. I think it hovered around 14% or so. Regardless, black people are rounded up many, many times more often than white people, because of targeted enforcement in inner-city and poor neighborhoods.

I'm trying to find the data that showed exactly how much more black people are incarcerated, but I remember it being outrageously high compared to white incarcerations.

And this example also points out another aspect of privilege. American drug laws aren't written to target black people specifically, and yet black communities suffer more from it, with something like 1/3 of black people aged 20-29 being locked up. 1 in 15 black children, as a result of our draconian drug policy, has a parent who is in prison.

Further, this brands a huge number of black people as felons for life (with, according to this one great source I found (http://drugwarfacts.org/cms/?q=node/64), the rates going up to 55% in some cities). This, like my link says, prevents people from voting (whatever), but more importantly, from receiving public assistance.

Of course drug policy is unjust and affects everyone, but white people aren't affected as much. Fewer white people are affected, and white people, in general, aren't impacted the way that the entire black community is.



Are you referring to high school here? Because in college it is the exact opposite. Blacks can get into colleges with lower scores. This is why 50% of black students in law school are in the bottom 10% of their class.


Yes, I'm referring to high school. I can see why black students would be in the lowest 10% as well, considering the schools in black neighborhoods and how they're run.



I am sure they targeted poor black families, just as loan sharks target the poor in general. Idk about the higher mortgages, never heard of that. But I doubt the banks are all run by racists looking to ruin black people.

Oh, no it wasn't done out of hatred for black people. It was done because they figured black people are more desperate to own a home, and were less educated in these matters, and, not to mention, might be more keen to jump on a loan considering how hard it is sometimes for them to get them.


It is problematic because people who had nothing to do with injustices of the past lose out from affirmative action

It's problematic because the people who benefit the most are relatively wealthy black families. The poorest still get left behind. And whether or not people have anything to do with the injustices is irrelevant because it isn't about punishing anyone, and affirmative action helps poor white people as well, which isn't something that folks often talk about, for some reason.

How about this. We won't make it about race. We'll just give affirmative action to kids who do well in school and are from the poorest, most violent, most crime-ridden, drug-plagued, food-insecure neighborhoods in the country.

What color do you think most of those kids will be?

[Revolution starts with U]

Because they are more likely to commit crimes. Now maybe the cause for the crime is poverty or bad neighborhoods or whatever, but they still are more likely to cause crime.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Ok.. now that I have calmed down... you don't actually believe there are more people doing drugs in the ghetto than in the suburbs, do you? As a kid my friends and I, being dumb kids :rolleyes:, used to buy around a dollars worth of candy and steal $2. We never had the cops called on us. Do you think a black kid would have recieved the same treatment?
White people's crimes are looked at as individual problems. Black peoples crimes are almost always looked at as reflections on the black community.
You can say we don't live in a racist society, and you are right (sic) in a sense....
we live in an "I'm not racist (sic) but..." society :rolleyes:



I am sure they targeted poor black families, just as loan sharks target the poor in general. Idk about the higher mortgages, never heard of that. But I doubt the banks are all run by racists looking to ruin black people.

No, they are most likely run by "I'm not racist, but RKelly did piss on that little girl" type of people.
White guy cuts you off, what a dick. Black guy cuts you off and he's a typical negro. (Not you specifically. This is just generally how a lot of people act)

[A Revolutionary Tool]

Because they are more likely to commit crimes. Now maybe the cause for the crime is poverty or bad neighborhoods or whatever, but they still are more likely to cause crime.
Or are they statistically going to commit more crimes because they get searched 2-3 times more than a white person would? If you have two people committing the same number of crimes but one of them gets stopped and searched 2-3 times more, obviously statistics will show that that person commits more crimes. My aunt had a husband for a short while who was a cop in Long Beach who was appealing to my grandfathers racist side the first time they met by telling us all about how he patrols around Hispanic and black neighborhoods trying to put them in jail to get them off the street. Funny thing is his parents had immigrated from Mexico making him only second generation. The police made a second generation Mexican prejudiced towards his own people, he told us how he rolled around yelling "beaners" and "spics" to Hispanics just walking around on the street.

It is problematic because people who had nothing to do with injustices of the past lose out from affirmative action, and people get into colleges and programs which they are not qualified for.Oh poor white people lose out on having a past where they were enslaved and then denied their rights for centuries in this country. Poor white men not getting lynched for whistling at black women, poor white men and women not having to be oppressed by institutional racism. Cry me a fucking river.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Skooma:

Chattel slavery existed in the USA for over two hundred years (it was around in 1665, albeit on a smaller scale than it was before the Civil War). After the Civil War, institutionalized racism took up the slack for another hundred years, after the federal government decided it was too much work to not let the South turn into an apartheid system. So when you have 300+ years of officially sanctioned and administered racism, some people have decided that the effects of that probably persist for a few decades, hence programs like affirmative action to try and mitigate said effects.

[Revolution starts with U]

Today I coin the term "Post racist."

If you:

1)Ever say "now, Im not racist but" or "being against racism is discriminatory"

2)Think of people as people, and bad people as urban

3)Think incarceration rates are an accurate representation of crime committed

You are a post-racist :lol:

[RGacky3]

A little fun (or not so fun fact), white people proportionately smoke much more marijuana, yet black people go to prison much more for simple possession.

[Drosophila]

What a surprise.

[kapitalyst]

If there was any question the Tea Party isnt a white supremacist racist movement, David Duke removes all doubt!


I'm not into the Tea Party... but this is a very sad argument. After all, Stalin endorsed communism so you're all sociopaths and mass murderers, right? :rolleyes:

[kapitalyst]

A little fun (or not so fun fact), white people proportionately smoke much more marijuana, yet black people go to prison much more for simple possession.

Yes, it should be no secret where the "War on Drugs" comes from then. But most people don't know that drug prohibition stems from racism.

[CommunityBeliever]

Yes, it should be no secret where the "War on Drugs" comes from then. But most people don't know that drug prohibition stems from racism.

At least we agree on one thing, we should end this racist "war" on drugs, generally I would also like to end all forms of capitalist-era suppression, e.g the suppression of post-scarcity resource supplies through artificial scarcity / planned obsolescence.

[Skooma Addict]

This is completely untrue. White color crimes costs more to the working class than petty crimes committed by people of color/ in poverty. Crimes committed by whites in power are harder to convict, because they have the means to fight the charges. Wall street bail outs come to mind. Ponsi schemes, etc.

Not only that, whites who are arrested for the same crimes as people of color are rarely sentenced the same.

I know of a black man who was arrested for an ounce of marijuana. In my state anything less than an ounce is a Misdemeanor. An ounce or more is considered a felony. This man was charged with the felony and is sentenced to 5 years in prison. A white man with the same amount is usually charged with the lessor charge and fined. Institutional racism is why Louisiana has the highest incarceraton rate in the country.

You are highly misinformed if you believe blacks commit more crimes than whites.

From 1976 to 2005, blacks committed over 52 percent of all murders in America. Blacks constituted 39.3 percent of all violent-crime arrests, including 56.3 percent of all robbery and 34.5 percent of all aggravated-assault arrests, and 29.4 percent of all property-crime arrests.

Blacks do commit more crimes, and this is well known. It is the reasons for this which causes disagreement. I assume most people here believe it is because of poor neighborhoods, bad schools, ect.

I am not buying the idea that racism can account for all of this. But at the same time I know that it may account for some of it, but just not nearly as much as you guys make it out to be.

[Le Libérer]

From 1976 to 2005, blacks committed over 52 percent of all murders in America. Blacks constituted 39.3 percent of all violent-crime arrests, including 56.3 percent of all robbery and 34.5 percent of all aggravated-assault arrests, and 29.4 percent of all property-crime arrests.

Blacks do commit more crimes, and this is well known. It is the reasons for this which causes disagreement. I assume most people here believe it is because of poor neighborhoods, bad schools, ect.

I am not buying the idea that racism can account for all of this. But at the same time I know that it may account for some of it, but just not nearly as much as you guys make it out to be.

What bullshit statistics. You are basing your argument on "convicted" crimes, not accounting for the points I made earlier. Those in power (white straight men) have the means to fight charges against them. The prison system in Louisiana is FILLED with blacks who were either not guilty, or scapegoated.

I work every closely with several 'reentry programs.' When there are blacks who are serving the maximum sentences for petty drug crimes and their white counterparts paying a fine for the same crime, its very easy to understand how institutional racism works as well as how bogus your statistics are. I even doubt the validity of where you got them.

[Skooma Addict]

But lets talk about crime. Specifically, drug crime, which I think makes up the bulk of most offenders in our justice system at this point. Now, rates of drug use are just about equal among white and black folks. I think it hovered around 14% or so. Regardless, black people are rounded up many, many times more often than white people, because of targeted enforcement in inner-city and poor neighborhoods.

Obviously they are going to target the inner city and poor neighborhoods. That is where most of the crimes occur. But this is not racist, even if blacks make up a disproportionate amount of people in those areas. If they went to the inner cities just to arrest blacks, then it would be racist. But they will naturally target areas which are high in crime.

Also, drug rate use if at 14% for both races? I want to see a source, even though I have no trouble believing it. However, not all drugs are the same, and pot is semi-legal in this country. You would have to look at the relative amount of each drug both races are using.


Of course drug policy is unjust and affects everyone, but white people aren't affected as much. Fewer white people are affected, and white people, in general, aren't impacted the way that the entire black community is.

Well not the entire black community is affected. Only the poor ones and those in the inner city.


Yes, I'm referring to high school. I can see why black students would be in the lowest 10% as well, considering the schools in black neighborhoods and how they're run.

How would that explain it? They are going to law school. Many of them are most likely living in apartments for students. The reason is quite obvious. Blacks are admitted to law schools they are not qualified for due to affirmative action, and thus, they perform poorly on the blind grading curve.


It's problematic because the people who benefit the most are relatively wealthy black families. The poorest still get left behind. And whether or not people have anything to do with the injustices is irrelevant because it isn't about punishing anyone, and affirmative action helps poor white people as well, which isn't something that folks often talk about, for some reason.

How about this. We won't make it about race. We'll just give affirmative action to kids who do well in school and are from the poorest, most violent, most crime-ridden, drug-plagued, food-insecure neighborhoods in the country.

What color do you think most of those kids will be?

The solution should be to offer financial aid, and to develop better educational institutions for poor citizens. But the requirements to get into a college should be the same for everyone. Now, if someone grew up in the ghetto and performs very well on standardized tests, has a lot of community service, ect, that would be a sign of resilience and motivation. This should be considered when they apply for college. But race shouldn't even be mentioned.

[Skooma Addict]

Or are they statistically going to commit more crimes because they get searched 2-3 times more than a white person would? If you have two people committing the same number of crimes but one of them gets stopped and searched 2-3 times more, obviously statistics will show that that person commits more crimes. My aunt had a husband for a short while who was a cop in Long Beach who was appealing to my grandfathers racist side the first time they met by telling us all about how he patrols around Hispanic and black neighborhoods trying to put them in jail to get them off the street. Funny thing is his parents had immigrated from Mexico making him only second generation. The police made a second generation Mexican prejudiced towards his own people, he told us how he rolled around yelling "beaners" and "spics" to Hispanics just walking around on the street.

That isn't how all crimes work though. Being searched more doesn't explain the difference in murder rates for example. So no that does not serve as an explanation.

[Skooma Addict]

What bullshit statistics. You are basing your argument on "convicted" crimes, not accounting for the points I made earlier. Those in power (white straight men) have the means to fight charges against them. The prison system in Louisiana is FILLED with blacks who were either not guilty, or scapegoated.

I work every closely with several 'reentry programs.' When there are blacks who are serving the maximum sentences for petty drug crimes and their white counterparts paying a fine for the same crime, its very easy to understand how institutional racism works as well as how bogus your statistics are. I even doubt the validity of where you got them.

You make is sound like all white straight men are in power, lol. Yes I am basing my statistics on convicted crimes, and when it comes to murder, you can't just get away with it because you are white, and at the same time it is not easy to be falsely charged with murder.

[Demogorgon]

Duke looks like Michael Jackson these days.

Anyway this is hardly a surprise, is it? It is much the same as Ron Paul getting an overwhelming Stormfront backing four years ago. They recognise their own and they back them.

[Tim Cornelis]

Well I did not watch the video, and I am sure there are some racists who endorse the tea party. Stuff like that will happen with all fringe movements. But I still don't think they are racist, even though I am sure some racists are attracted to them.

Some Tea Partiers may not be racist, but some are so dumb they are racist without knowing it.

For example Glenn Beck saying Obama wants to destroy "white culture", this is obviously a racist remark. Because Obama is black it must automatically mean he is out to destroy "white culture". And "white culture" is obviously a euphemism for "white race".

[Le Libérer]

Yes I am basing my statistics on convicted crimes, and when it comes to murder, you can't just get away with it because you are white, and at the same time it is not easy to be falsely charged with murder.Where do you live, under a rock? You seriously cannot believe your own rhetoric.

[Skooma Addict]

Where do you live, under a rock? You seriously cannot believe your own rhetoric.

I live in the U.S.

[aristos]

You still really miss (or wilfully ignore) the point comrades made above about what goes into such statistics.
Is police violence included in crime statistics?
Is devastating economic fraud perpetrated by the bourgeoisie included in crime statistics?
Is torture and murder by the state included in crime statistics?

[#FF0000]

and at the same time it is not easy to be falsely charged with murder.

lol

[Fopeos]

This dude really is a nazi. I'm a little nauseous for having watched this.

[tir1944]

Why don't people in America actively fight these racists?
I mean,maybe it's me and my lack of information,but i never heard about for example something like the recent German antifa demos happening in the US...

[MustCrushCapitalism]

So the next time Conservatives play the COMMUNIST PARTY ENDORSES OBAMA OMG card, there'll still be the KKK ENDORSES TEA PARTY WTF card to play.

[Le Libérer]

I live in the U.S.

Oh it all makes sense now. :rolleyes:

[ComradeMan]

Reading through these threads I don't think the problem is as simple as white-black racism, I think the problem is that the US seems to be so pigeonholed for everything- the racial attitudes expressed by some Americans of ALL colours are like listening to people from the 1950s. It's depressing...

[RedRevolution1938]

The tea party and David Duke are such an insignificant movement that they possess no threat to those of us on the left.

David Duke said he was running for president. He dropped out after realizing how hopeless his campaign would be after his mindless anti-semitism fell on deaf ears. :laugh:

[#FF0000]

Why don't people in America actively fight these racists?
I mean,maybe it's me and my lack of information,but i never heard about for example something like the recent German antifa demos happening in the US...

Because they are totally irrelevant and mostly harmless internet warriors

[Bud Struggle]

The tea party and David Duke are such an insignificant movement that they possess no threat to those of us on the left.

David Duke said he was running for president. He dropped out after realizing how hopeless his campaign would be after his mindless anti-semitism fell on deaf ears. :laugh:

David Duke is meaningless. The Tea Party controls a good chunk of Congress--AND the hearts and minds of a lot of the Proletariat.

The Tea Party is highly significant.

As far as the original post goes--well 'twas a time when Stalin endorsed Hitler and Hitler endorsed Stalin.

Everybody loves somebody sometime.

[#FF0000]

David Duke is meaningless. The Tea Party controls a good chunk of Congress--AND the hearts and minds of a lot of the Proletariat.

The Tea Party is highly significant.

As far as the original post goes--well 'twas a time when Stalin endorsed Hitler and Hitler endorsed Stalin.

Everybody loves somebody sometime.

Nothing here is right except the bit about David Duke and maybe the part about Congress.

[Os Cangaceiros]

David Duke is meaningless. The Tea Party controls a good chunk of Congress--AND the hearts and minds of a lot of the Proletariat.

You're gonna have to back that up with something, because I don't believe it.

[Manic Impressive]

I live in the U.S.
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It must be horrible to live your life in fear, I feel sorry for you.

Anyone else think David Duke looks really weird? Like maybe his sister was his mother and his father was his uncle?

[Lenina Rosenweg]

What's wrong with his face? It looks like someone gave him a facial.

Actually there are rumors that he had plastic surgery to make himself look more attractive or at least telegenic. He has an uncanny resemblance to David Bowie.US bourgeois politics being based on the cult of the individual, very much encourages a narcissistic personality type.

The Tea Party is very unpopular with the American people, especially since they almost shut down the US gov't and caused the US bond rating to be downgraded. The Tea Party is a Frankenstein monster created by the ruling class but then creating damage for them. Far from the first time anything like that has happened, of course.

[RED DAVE]

When the tea party people say they want to return to the heritage of the country, it is because of their fetish with the constitution and the "founding fathers." Not because of racism.About as wrong as you can be. Their notion of the Constitution and the FFs is completely befogged by racism.


Affirmative action is racist.Say what? Would you care to elaborate on this bizarre statement?

RED DAVE

[Manic Impressive]

his eyes are waaay to far apart and he looks like he's fallen asleep on a sunbed while wearing a fake beard. Actually if you squint a little bit he almost looks like Michael Jackson. This is a conspiracy that needs to be spread.

[CommunityBeliever]

As far as the original post goes--well 'twas a time when Stalin endorsed Hitler and Hitler endorsed Stalin.

It was a political alliance not an "endorsement." Stalin never "endorsed" Hitler.

[Klaatu]

Not every teabagger is racist, but every racist is a teabagger.

The rest are just thick-headed

[#FF0000]

Say what? Would you care to elaborate on this bizarre statement?

RED DAVE

No, Dave. He already got his. Leave the boy alone.

[Che a chara]

I think Bud may have been referring to the 'hearts and minds' of the right-wing working class, as opposed to proletarians as a whole. If so, I think Bud has it correct regarding the Tea Party, though 'hearts and minds' maybe a slight exaggeration, but certainly Tea Party rhetoric, pushed by the mis-information machine of Fox 'news' has also attracted many non-political blue and white collar workers, or at least has made them question their perceived told direction of the country. Their propaganda and composition is as easily seductive as it is repulsive.

Many on here also seem to underestimate the influence and sway the Tea Party has and how beneficial they can be to US interests. The GOP's shift further to the right has been contributed by the growth of the Tea Party. They are the definition of both xenophobia and corporate America. If it's in the interest of continuing exploitation domestically and abroad on behalf of US capitalism, then you can be sure that the Tea Party will oblige, if the Republicans themselves wont commit deeming it to be politically detrimental. They are another useful tool for US policy.

And for sure they have a white supremacist undercurrent. The US was attacked in 2001 under Bush. The worst atrocity within US soil in history (9/11), yet there was no reaction. Can you imagine WN lynch-mobs on the streets with their pitch-forks if it happened under Obama's watch ? Higher tax hikes, pro-immigration policies and breaches of the US constitution from fetishised previous presidents warranted no 're-formation' of a Tea Party. But a black man in the White house and all of a sudden people have had enough and want a change.

[Os Cangaceiros]

I think Bud may have been referring to the 'hearts and minds' of the right-wing working class, as opposed to proletarians as a whole. If so, I think Bud has it correct regarding the Tea Party, though 'hearts and minds' maybe a slight exaggeration, but certainly Tea Party rhetoric, pushed by the mis-information machine of Fox 'news' has also attracted many non-political blue and white collar workers, or at least has made them question their perceived told direction of the country. Their propaganda and composition is as easily seductive as it is repulsive.


I don't think so. And the reason is not because I think "the proles" are angels, far from it...many of them have awful and bigoted opinions when it comes to political and social issues. However, the Tea Party is an issue-centric activist group, namely fiscal conservatism, and honestly the janitors and busboys of the world don't really care about that. I mean, the fact that about 50 percent of the country doesn't pay income taxes means that the Tea Party has some real growth limitations. Most of the real proles that I know are apolitical.

[tradeunionsupporter]

Did David Duke really get over 65% of the White Vote in his State when he ran for Political Office ?

[Rafiq]

How so?



I can't believe you're asking this

[kapitalyst]

This is completely untrue. White color crimes costs more to the working class than petty crimes committed by people of color/ in poverty. Crimes committed by whites in power are harder to convict, because they have the means to fight the charges. Wall street bail outs come to mind. Ponsi schemes, etc.


Kinda hard to do anything about it when the lawmakers, regulators and judges are all involved in the corporate welfare system. Financial and business regulations only exist for the establishment to control competitors and remain "the establishment".



Not only that, whites who are arrested for the same crimes as people of color are rarely sentenced the same.


That's because white people are 70% more likely to kill their victims "more gently". :lol:



I know of a black man who was arrested for an ounce of marijuana. In my state anything less than an ounce is a Misdemeanor. An ounce or more is considered a felony. This man was charged with the felony and is sentenced to 5 years in prison. A white man with the same amount is usually charged with the lessor charge and fined.


That's fucked up! :ohmy:



Institutional racism is why Louisiana has the highest incarceraton rate in the country.


Louisiana fucking sucks... I can't wait to get out of here. I was aware we had an extremely authoritarian state, but didn't know we had the highest incarceration rate! Damn! Kinda explains why I have problems getting adequate healthcare in this shit state...



You are highly misinformed if you believe blacks commit more crimes than whites.

Actually, that is true. But most of the "crimes" they're convicted for shouldn't even be crimes. And drug prohibition, tailor-made to attack minorities, accounts for the majority of it.

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