Corporatism and Fascism

[WyoLeftist]

I've heard these two words/names thrown around a lot lately, and for some reason, I always kind of thought they were one in the same. I guess I'm ignorant or something, but I was wondering what the difference between the two were. Is corporatism just the economic leaning of fascism? Or is it an entirely different ideology?

[Dzerzhinsky's Ghost]

I've heard these two words/names thrown around a lot lately, and for some reason, I always kind of thought they were one in the same. I guess I'm ignorant or something, but I was wondering what the difference between the two were. Is corporatism just the economic leaning of fascism? Or is it an entirely different ideology?

"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power."-Benito Mussolini.


Fascism = Corporatism and vice versa. I suppose you could say that Corporatism would be the economic policy of Fascist Italy.

[RedGrunt]

What about in the case of Nazi Germany? Just how alike were the two or how fitting is fascism, as described by Mussolini, on Nazi Germany?

[WyoLeftist]

What about in the case of Nazi Germany? Just how alike were the two or how fitting is fascism, as described by Mussolini, on Nazi Germany?

That's the question I was posing. I'm not very well read on Nazi Germany's economics, but I didn't think it was that closely related to Fascist Italy's. Is National Socialim a branch of Fascism? Or are Nazi's there own ideology entirely? I've always kind of viewed Corporatism as a 'racism free' version of fascism. Fascism-lite if you would.

[Stork]

Corporatism is a basic tenant of Italian Fascism. But not all Fascists are corporatist, eg. the Keynesian policies of Nazi Germany. Not all corporatist are fascists really though.
Corporatism is basically just a system with the intent of creating syndicates of Worker's, Capitalists and the gov all regulating each other in a way to stop the inevitable class warfare. But every time it's implemented it benefits the State and to a lesser extent the Capitalists far more then the workers. Thomas Hobbes' wet-dream

[ComradeOm]

Fascist theory rarely matches fascism in practice. In reality 'corporatism' was simply an excuse to destroy organised labour by bringing the trade union apparatus under state control. No more and no less. There was, despite much propaganda, no grand economic transformation of either the Italian or German economies according to some fascist master plan


Is National Socialism a branch of Fascism?Because fascism is a particularly incoherent ideology it can be hard to say exactly how something is related to something else. If you consider Italian Fascism to be the original fascism then, yes, Nazism is an offshoot. It may be easier however to think of fascism as a family of related ideologies that emerged at different places at different times but with the same purpose - reversing working class gains by smashing the power of organised labour

Hence Nazism tapped into an intense vein of anti-Semitism and racial hatred that pre-existed in Germany but was largely, albeit not entirely, lacking in Italy. Both regimes were fascist - in that they considered themselves to be such and carried out similar campaigns against the working class - but there were superficial differences

[Stork]

That's the question I was posing. I'm not very well read on Nazi Germany's economics, but I didn't think it was that closely related to Fascist Italy's. Is National Socialim a branch of Fascism? Or are Nazi's there own ideology entirely? I've always kind of viewed Corporatism as a 'racism free' version of fascism. Fascism-lite if you would.
Fascism isn't necessarily racist, until Hitler got involved Fascist Italy left ethnic minorities alone, in fact the Fascist movement welcomed some Jewish members, who Benito later betrayed.
wikipedia(dot)org/wiki/Manifesto_of_Race
Nazism is Fascist by most definitions but there isn't a really clear definition of Fascism. Some say Fascism is a purely Italian idea and other groups and regimes have just been rightist autocracies, others say people like Péron are Fascists but Nazism is separate and some even say Kim Il Sung and Kim Jong Il were Fascists.
It's hard to come up with a consistent definition that applies to all movements, but you know when you see it.