Political Identifier

[RichardAWilson]

http://www.politicaltest.net/


You are a Cosmopolitan Social-Democrat

http://www.politicaltest.net/test/graphic2/49939_eng.jpg

[Bud Struggle]

What are supposed to do here?

[RichardAWilson]

Answer the questions and see where you are? :cool:

[RichardAWilson]

=) It's not bad, but not quite as thorough as the Compass.

[ComradeMan]

Fundamentalist Social Democrat!!! LOL!!!

http://www.politicaltest.net/test/graphic2/49940_eng.jpg

[Bud Struggle]

http://www.politicaltest.net/test/graphic2/49941_eng.jpg

I guess I'm going to hell when I die. :(

And I was being GENEROUS!

[RichardAWilson]

Bad Christian, Bad!

[RichardAWilson]

Wow Bud. I didn't realize how Reactionary you really were.:scared:

[RichardAWilson]

You make a Lexus Liberal look like a Saint.

[ComradeMan]

I guess I'm going to hell when I die. :(

And I was being GENEROUS!

WTF!!!! :crying:

Anyway, as a Fundamentalist Social Democrat..... what should be my first move? :lol:

[RichardAWilson]

Well, it's not a bad thing. The Fabian Society - which was a co-founder of British Labor and the Post-War Welfare State - subscribed to Christian Socialism. I believe we should work alongside Christian Socialists, as long as we don't allow theology to negate reason (I.e. Marxism)

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

You are a Trotskyist. 3 percent of the test participators are in the same category and 5 percent are more extremist than you.

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j99/NoXion604/49948_eng.png

According this, I'm a Trot(!).

[ComradeMan]

Well, it's not a bad thing. The Fabian Society - which was a co-founder of British Labor and the Post-War Welfare State - subscribed to Christian Socialism. I believe we should work alongside Christian Socialists, as long as we don't allow theology to negate reason (I.e. Marxism)

False prophets...!!!! :lol:

I just don't get how Bud is secular and I am a fundamentalist!!! LOL!!!

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

False prophets...!!!! :lol:

I just don't get how Bud is secular and I am a fundamentalist!!! LOL!!!

Well, it would be easier to find out if questions on religion were all on the same page, so we could compare answers.

Personally I think the quiz could do with more questions.

[OHumanista]

You are a Trotskyist. 3 percent of the test participators are in the same category and 3 percent are more extremist than you.
Hahahah, finally one test that got it right :D

http://www.politicaltest.net/test/graphic2/49946_eng.jpg
(http://www.politicaltest.net/test/graphic2/49946_eng.jpg)

[ComradeMan]

(http://www.politicaltest.net/test/graphic2/49946_eng.jpg)

Funny how you can be a Trot and 37% anarchist.... have to shoot 37% of yourself whilst shouting Kronstadt.

[Smyg]

Oh god. OH GOD

:scared: I'M A TROTSKYIST apparently.

[Seth]

You are an orthodox Marxist. 0 percent of the test participators are in the same category and 14 percent are more extremist than you.

http://www.politicaltest.net/test/graphic2/49953_eng.jpg

[pax et aequalitas]

You are a Social Democrat. 12 percent of the test participators are in the same category and 2 percent are more extremist than you.
http://www.politicaltest.net/test/graphic2/49962.jpg

Lol, the test is good with all the different categories, but they really gotta work on the labels they give ya xD

edit: In fact, I think the best label for me would be "hippie" if I look at the graph :P

[OHumanista]

Funny how you can be a Trot and 37% anarchist.... have to shoot 37% of yourself whilst shouting Kronstadt.

Not that BS again dude :rolleyes:It gets silly and old you know
It is so incompatible that trots and anarchist ally all the time. If anything I don't think my anarchist rating is high enough, if more questions were asked on authority it would probably get higher.

[Zukunftsmusik]

http://www.politicaltest.net/test/graphic2/49958_eng.jpg

A... trotskyist. Hrm. I didn't know that. Oh well.

[fionntan]

National Democratic socialist :lol:

[Le Socialiste]

This test labelled me a social democrat...I call bullshit. :glare:

[o well this is ok I guess]

Welp we're all Trotskyists

[thesadmafioso]

http://www.politicaltest.net/test/graphic2/49973_eng.jpg

It would appear that this test agrees with my Trotskyism.

It also would seem that I'm the most communistic out of all of us who've take the test thus far.

[Zukunftsmusik]

It also would seem that I'm the most communistic out of all of us who've take the test thus far.

Whaddayawant? A cookie?

[OHumanista]

Whaddayawant? A cookie?

LMAO :D
These quizzes are fun because of these moments, when people start competing to get a score higher.

[pax et aequalitas]

http://www.politicaltest.net/test/graphic2/49973_eng.jpg

It would appear that this test agrees with my Trotskyism.

It also would seem that I'm the most communistic out of all of us who've take the test thus far.

I'm the most secular, pacifist, anarchistic and ecological, HAH I GET 4 COOKIES AND YOU ONLY 1.

PS: Dun worry, as a true commie I will share my cookies with ya

[Comrade Dracula]

You are a Trotskyist. 3 percent of the test participators are in the same category and 14 percent are more extremist than you. Results (cause I cannot post images yet):
Cosmopolitan/Nationalistic: 38%
Secular/Fundamentalist: 78%
Visionary/Reactionary: 50%
Anarchistic/Authoritarian: 25%
Communistic/Capitalistic: 93%
Pacifist/Militaristic: 10%
Ecological/Anthropocentric: 18%

www(dot)politicaltest(dot)net/test/graphic2/49978_eng(dot)jpg

Is it me, or does this test have a tendency of telling any Left-Internationalist that they are, as a matter of fact, Trotskyist?

[pax et aequalitas]

Results (cause I cannot post images yet):
Cosmopolitan/Nationalistic: 38%
Secular/Fundamentalist: 78%
Visionary/Reactionary: 50%
Anarchistic/Authoritarian: 25%
Communistic/Capitalistic: 93%
Pacifist/Militaristic: 10%
Ecological/Anthropocentric: 18%

www(dot)politicaltest(dot)net/test/graphic2/49978_eng(dot)jpg

Is it me, or does this test have a tendency of telling any Left-Internationalist that they are, as a matter of fact, Trotskyist?

Yeah and it calls anarcho-commies social-democrats I think :P

[RGacky3]

http://www.politicaltest.net/test/graphic2/49986_eng.jpg (http://www.politicaltest.net/test/graphic2/49986_eng.jpg)
A Cosmopolitan Social Democrat ....

[Die Rote Fahne]

I'm also a trot...man, this test is just as irrelevant as the political compass.

[thesadmafioso]

Whaddayawant? A cookie?

I would, but it would appear that someone tied my 93%.


I'm the most secular, pacifist, anarchistic and ecological, HAH I GET 4 COOKIES AND YOU ONLY 1.

PS: Dun worry, as a true commie I will share my cookies with ya

Pffft, it's the communist cookie we are all after.

[Zukunftsmusik]

I would, but it would appear that someone tied my 93%.


Ouch. Feel your pain, man.

[Smyg]

This is hilarious. Seems like you're either a social democrat or a Trotskyist.

[pax et aequalitas]

I would, but it would appear that someone tied my 93%.



Pffft, it's the communist cookie we are all after.

Not true, I think the anarchist cookie is also very much wanted, though the pacifist cookie might be a bit unwanted for some (not for me)

But the question is... were the cookies produced by exploiting people or not?

[o well this is ok I guess]

Welp I guess it's time for the lot of us to join the fourth international.

[kapitalyst]

http://www.politicaltest.net/test/graphic2/49983_eng.jpg

I'm guessing the test was formulated by German speakers. I could tell from the way they said things like "the globalization" and "the nature". Then I noticed German ads on the right-side of the quiz. :lol:

A lot of the questions were confusing, and I just had to say "neutral". Some were also so flawed I couldn't answer them. I think Political Compass (http://politicalcompass.org) is the best one we have thus far...

http://politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=8.62&soc=-4.62

[aristos]

http://i52.tinypic.com/35ajbrc.jpg

Damn, this must be the infamous Troskyite left-right conspiracy!

[pax et aequalitas]

http://www.politicaltest.net/test/graphic2/49983_eng.jpg

I'm guessing the test was formulated by German speakers. I could tell from the way they said things like "the globalization" and "the nature". Then I noticed German ads on the right-side of the quiz. :lol:

A lot of the questions were confusing, and I just had to say "neutral". Some were also so flawed I couldn't answer them. I think Political Compass (http://politicalcompass.org) is the best one we have thus far...

http://politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=8.62&soc=-4.62

Eh yeah, the political compass was quite accurate for me as well as you can see from my signature.

[OHumanista]

http://i52.tinypic.com/35ajbrc.jpg

Damn, this must be the infamous Troskyite left-right conspiracy!

Wow! 96% communistic! :D*pretends to be impressed*
I wonder if anyone will get to 100%...

[Sentinel]

According this, I'm a Trot(!).

Brilliant. Is there a section of the Socialist Party in your town, that you can join? :lol:

In all seriousness, this test said that I am a social democrat, which I certainly am not.. So the label system might need changing, but otherwise I don't think the test was that bad. I think the graph with my results is quite interesting, actually:

http://www.politicaltest.net/test/graphic2/49990_eng.jpg (http://www.politicaltest.net/test/graphic2/49990_eng.jpg)

It proves my analysis that I haven't become an authoritarian since I became a Trotskyist, which feels nice.

[Agent Ducky]

I'm not a trot, the FUCK is this? Lol... What do I have to do to get anarchist?

[pax et aequalitas]

I'm not a trot, the FUCK is this? Lol... What do I have to do to get anarchist?

Impossible to get I think, I think that so far I got the anarchistic cookie and it called me a social democrat :p

[RedZezz]

I was expecting the graphs. What I wasn't expecting was calling me a Trotskyist. I mean, I am one, but I dont see how they could have determined that with the questions they asked.

Also: Did anyone get Stalinist or Marxist-Leninist, or Maoist?

[Zav]

A Social Democrat? The hell is wrong with this test? Apparrently only 1% of people are more extremist than I.
Ah well, none of these quizzes are ever very accurate.

http://www.politicaltest.net/test/graphic2/50011_eng.jpg

[RichardAWilson]

I noticed that almost everybody that has taken this is anthropocentric. :( All the material wealth in the world isn't going to be worth a damn if our soil, water and atmosphere can no longer sustain life.

[The Jay]

Apparently I'm a trot :P
http://www.politicaltest.net/test/result/50029/

[Revolution starts with U]

http://www.politicaltest.net/test/graphic2/50030_eng.jpg

[Seth]

The Political Compass is bullshit because the most ardent Stalinists will score libertarian.

[DinodudeEpic]

You are a cosmopolitan Social Democrat. 15 percent of the test participators are in the same category and 6 percent are more extremist than you.


http://www.politicaltest.net/test/graphic2/50033_eng.jpg



Apparently, I'm a cosmopolitan social democrat. I turn out to be ultra-secular, one of the most anarchist people around here, really visionary and cosmopolitan, slightly communistic and militaristic, and really anthropocentric.

Well, I'm definitely not a social democrat. (Considering that I want to throw the robber barons out of their own homes into the streets.) I guess the rest makes sort of sense.

Still, no question on the means of production, and stupid communism-capitalism false dichotomy.

[Sentinel]

I noticed that almost everybody that has taken this is anthropocentric. :( All the material wealth in the world isn't going to be worth a damn if our soil, water and atmosphere can no longer sustain life.

This is my highly personal opinion on the matter:

Being anthropocentric and being ecologically conscious aren't mutually exclusive. One can be for a sustainable development while still putting human welfare first. What matters is that one applies long term planning in ones thought and thinks of the wider consequences of the actions of mankind.

Being anthropocentric doesn't equal being careless with natural resources and the environment, one can (and should) care for them, but for humanity's -- rather than their own -- sake. Example: If some animal is going extinct at the expense of the human society's well being, that should be prevented if the consequences of this link of the food chain being removed are more severe than the received benefits are worth, etc.

But if there are no side effects to the environment in large, or if they are negligable, then the needs of humans should go first. What matters is that decisions are made scientifically, and without private profits but instead the long term benefit of the society as whole in mind.


***

Being bored, I did the Political Compass test again as well. Got to say that I like this new test better, but I'm posting my PC results just for fun.

In reality these tests don't mean much though, for example 'Political Compass' puts most leftists taking the test farther towards the 'libertarian' side than they actually are, just because almost all of us have libertarian (read: progressive) views on social issues these days.

Your political compass

Economic Left/Right: -9.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.67

http://politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=-9.88&soc=-6.67

[tir1944]

You are a patriotic and authoritarian Socialist. 2 percent of the test participators are in the same category and 58 percent are more extremist than you.

http://www.politicaltest.net/test/graphic2/50051_eng.jpg

[eyeheartlenin]

You are a Trotskyist. 4 percent of the test participators are in the same category and 5 percent are more extremist than you.

cosmopolitan 35% (versus nationalistic)
secular 56% (versus fundamentalist)
visionary 59% (versus reactionary)
anarchistic 37% (versus authoritarian)
communistic 81% (versus capitalistic)
pacifist 61% (versus militaristic)
ecological 54% (versus anthropocentric)
[/URL]
[URL="http://www.politicaltest.net/test/graphic6/50052_eng.jpg"] (http://www.politicaltest.net/test/graphic2/50052_eng.jpg)

[Geiseric]

Lol patriotic socialist.

[tir1944]

Lol patriotic socialist.
Your point?

[RichardAWilson]

I like your answer Sentinel. :cool: I'm a little less concerned after your rational analysis. Still, I believe in preserving the world. We've become a cancer on the Earth and will need to learn the value of coexistence and sustainability to ensure our own survival.

[PC LOAD LETTER]

You are a Trotskyist. 4 percent of the test participators are in the same category and 1 percent are more extremist than you.http://www.politicaltest.net/test/graphic2/50064_eng.jpg

Yeahh ... didn't know I was a Trotskyist.
Although I'm not sure if I could be called pacifist. I'm all for self-defense and violent revolution (if it's necessary). I've been in tons of fights in my lifetime.

[hatzel]

Lol patriotic socialist.

Hey, don't make fun...he's still officially 8% less reactionary than Bud 'yo yo yo check out my badboy company' Struggle :)

[Revolution starts with U]

http://www.politicalcompass.org/printablegraph?ec=-5.25&soc=-6.92

Well I was trying to put my compass.
-5.25 economic
-6.92 social
So a leftist libertarian... makes sense to me :D

[RichardAWilson]

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/318461_260297907342430_101733333198889_662715_7132 86379_n.jpg

[Sentinel]

Lol. The opposite of anthropocentric isn't 'ecological', it's biocentric (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biocentrism_(ethics)):


Biocentrism (Greek: βίος, bio, "life"; and κέντρον, kentron, "center"), in a political (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political) and ecological (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecological) sense, is an ethical (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethics) point of view which extends inherent value (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inherent_value) to non-human species (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Species),[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biocentrism_%28ethics%29#cite_note-case-studies-derr-21-0) ecosystems (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecosystem), and processes in nature - regardless of their sentience (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentience).[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biocentrism_%28ethics%29#cite_note-1) It stands in contrast to anthropocentrism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropocentrism) which centers on the value of humans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human).[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biocentrism_%28ethics%29#cite_note-Britannica-2)

[Bud Struggle]

Hey, for what it's worth I think the bankers should be held accountible.

They aren't, so boo hoo hoo,

Move on.

[Nox]

http://www.politicaltest.net/test/graphic2/50072_eng.jpg

Apparantly I'm a Social Democrat :(

[#FF0000]

Hey, for what it's worth I think the bankers should be held accountible.

They aren't, so boo hoo hoo,

Move on.

this is a good attitude

[Geiseric]

Hmm intresting, theologic libertarian monarchist... Who would've thought...

[#FF0000]

Your point?

that there ain't no such thing.

[Nox]

The Political Compass is bullshit because the most ardent Stalinists will score libertarian.

For fuck's sake, people like you piss me off.

Also, to the Stalinist who scored nationalistic and authoritarian, why are you a Stalinist? What attracted you to be a 'Stalinist'?

[Geiseric]

I totally called the stalinists all being mensheviks btw. for the record.

[hatzel]

that there ain't no such thing.

...are you trying to suggest that this site doesn't give an accurate representation of people's genuine political positions? Well I never...

[thesadmafioso]

For fuck's sake, people like you piss me off.

Also, to the Stalinist who scored nationalistic and authoritarian, why are you a Stalinist? What attracted you to be a 'Stalinist'?

What about that is confusing, exactly? Are you surprised by the thought of a Stalinist being either authoritarian or nationalistic, in the same vein as, well, Stalin?

[Nox]

What I've got a problem with is idiots like Seth and the guy who scored authoritarian and nationalistic who think that Marxism-Leninism advocates a Nationalist, Authoritarian Socialist regime in one country...

[tir1944]

Guys,i notice that most of you are from the US.
Eastern Europe =/= North America and a lot of things are different here...
"Nationalism" has a different meaning here.Of course,that may have something to do with the fact that we live in opressed,not opressor nations...



I totally called the stalinists all being mensheviks btw.
Cool moves bro.

[thesadmafioso]

What I've got a problem with is idiots like Seth and the guy who scored authoritarian and nationalistic who think that 'Socialism in One State' literally means Socialism in One State...

Well then, it would appear that I've made a Stalinist inadvertently call Stalin an idiot.

What exactly do you think Stalin had in mind when he went along with the Chinese nationalists as they slaughtered the industrial proletarian and their organs in 1927? Or when he joined the fascists in a de facto front against the German SDP and essentially paved the way to power for the German fascists? Or perhaps when he sold out the Spanish revolution by purging his way through the leftist front which emerged to combat Franco, thus allowing for yet another fascist to ascend to power?

I'll give you a hint, he was forwarding the interests of his 'socialism' in Russia, or the national interests of Russia, in much the same way any standard bourgeois diplomat would.

I'm very tempted to sig this or something, it's that enjoyable of a moment.

[Per Levy]

http://www.politicaltest.net/test/graphic2/50084_deu.jpg


Sie sind ein Trotzkist. 4 Prozent der Testteilnehmer fallen auch in diese Kategorie und 1 Prozent sind extremistischer als Sie.

aparently im a trotzkyist, well i wouldnt consider myself as such but also dont find it terrible. and yes its a geman test and it put me in the german version on default.

[Geiseric]

Lol what does socialism in ONE state mean otherwise? Can there be socialism in other states? Or is its definition the obvious conclusion one can draw from its words? American nationalists think they're oppressed too, however I think any sort of nationalism at this point in history is reactionary. all "national" struggles are just fragments of the world class struggle.

[Property Is Robbery]

http://www.politicaltest.net/test/graphic2/50091_eng.jpg


I guess I'm a social democrat. So we're all trots or soc dems? Damn the revolutionary left is in bad shape if that's the case :p

[tir1944]

Meh,dissin' Stalin seems to be cool and trendy mostly in "Western" countries,especially in the USA which is also the bastion of worldwide imperialism.:cool:
In Russia for example you'd have a hard time finding a Trotskite etc. as there are almost no such people there...

[#FF0000]

Guys,i notice that most of you are from the US.
Eastern Europe =/= North America and a lot of things are different here...
"Nationalism" has a different meaning here.Of course,that may have something to do with the fact that we live in opressed,not opressor nations...

Nah, still bourgeois nationalism.

[tir1944]

Lol what does socialism in ONE state mean otherwise?
It means that there can be soc. in one country,even if more developed countries remain capitalist for some time.



all "national" struggles are just fragments of the world class struggle.
Certainly there are differences in pretty much every aspect of class struggle between American or,for example,Russian or Indian workers...

[thesadmafioso]

Meh,dissin' Stalin seems to be cool and trendy mostly in "Western" countries,especially in the USA which is also the bastion of worldwide imperialism.:cool:
In Russia for example you'd have a hard time finding a Trotskite etc. as there are almost no such people there...

Because the working masses of American society, or I should say those in the majority of American society, are responsible for the acts of a select minority of paid killers who act on behalf of a bourgeois state, right?

[hatzel]

In Russia for example you'd have a hard time finding a Trotskite etc. as there are almost no such people there...

I wonder how that happened...

:tt2:

[tir1944]

Nah, still bourgeois nationalism.
Makes sense if we know that "they" advocate the destruction of the bourgeoisie as a class...

[#FF0000]

Makes sense if we know that "they" advocate the destruction of the bourgeoisie as a class...

Except when they makes excuses for their national bourgeoisie.

[Geiseric]

Hey tir, somebody purged all of them like 80 years ago. then whenever the other ones tried to move, they usually got screwed by everybody else. hint: the guy who purged all the russian ones kinda helped too, along with anybody else who didn't agree with him.

[tir1944]

Because the working masses of American society, or I should say those in the majority of American society, are responsible for the acts of a select minority of paid killers who act on behalf of a bourgeois state, right?
Nope.But being that complacent isn't nice though.



I wonder how that happened...
The people recognized what Trotskysm is.
While the fascist tanks were rolling towards Moscow,Trotsky spoke about "German workers in uniforms"...

[#FF0000]

The people recognized what Trotskysm is.
While the fascist tanks were rolling towards Moscow,Trotsky spoke about "German workers in uniforms"...

'Marxist-leninists' in russia are now homophobic cyrpto-fascists or liberals

so

[tir1944]

Except when they makes excuses for their national bourgeoisie.
Link? Source?



Hey tir, somebody purged all of them like 80 years ago.
It's been 20 years since the fall of socialism.Even nazis bred like rabbits since then,how come the Trotskites couldn't have at least "made a comeback"?

[tir1944]

'Marxist-leninists' in russia are now homophobic cyrpto-fascists or liberals
What?

[hatzel]

It's been 20 years since the fall of socialism.Even nazis bred like rabbits since then,how come the Trotskites couldn't have at least "made a comeback"?

Probably because for some strange reason Russia's full of Nazis...that is to say, the answer's in the question...

[#FF0000]

Link? Source?

Name me a "left-wing nationalist" group that didn't sell out.

I'll wait.



It's been 20 years since the fall of socialism.Even nazis bred like rabbits since then,how come the Trotskites couldn't have at least "made a comeback"?Who cares. They're as irrelevant as you "stalinists"


What?

Yup. The only "leftists" that are even close to legit in Russia nowadays are the anarchists and the maoists. The rest are just nostalgic dinosaurs.

[Per Levy]

apparently even a thread about silly little "political identifier" can turn into a trosky/stalin discussion.

[Geiseric]

Why do ml's always ask for a link or source to obvious information that nobody would take the time to write down, and then deny it as "bourgeois" or "imperialist" propaganda?

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

Nothing like freshly squeezed sectarian shitstorm in a political quiz thread.

[hatzel]

apparently even a thread about silly little "political identifier" can turn into a trosky/stalin discussion.

I don't think there's a single thread on RevLeft that couldn't be made into something so mundane...I also feel the site itself was just trolling by saying everybody was hot to Trot (haaaaah), knowing it would make mans get kreyzee

[tir1944]

Name me a "left-wing nationalist" group that didn't sell out.
RCWP-RPC?



Who cares. They're as irrelevant as you "stalinists"
Really?
Last time i checked "stalinists" could get tens of thousands on the street.
Not to mentioned how the avarage Russian worker is most often pro-Stalin.


The only "leftists" that are even close to legit in Russia nowadays are the anarchists and the maoists.
I disagree.



Probably because for some strange reason Russia's full of Nazis...that is to say, the answer's in the question...
:confused:

[#FF0000]

Last time i checked "stalinists" could get tens of thousands on the street.
Not to mentioned how the avarage Russian worker is most often pro-Stalin

That doesn't really say much, though. NazBols are pro-Stalin too. I am less concerned with what historical figures they like and more interested in how willing they are to work with different people to destroy class, the wage system, and the nation-state.

[MattShizzle]

I'm a Trotskyist it said.

[tir1944]

I am less concerned with what historical figures they like and more interested in how willing they are to work with different people to destroy class, the wage system, and the nation-state.
Then read the news sections of the sites of various ML parties there...some pretty concrete examples you can find...
Cheers.

[Geiseric]

Tens of thousands of people also go to evangelical preachers in poor third world countries. and then, the poor people ACTUALLY give the preacher their money. i guess we should all become evangelicals, or even better, scientologists. That's getting pretty popular. And the average american is pro-george washington. It doesn't mean anything, just that whoever wants to use stalin as a sign of nationalism is succeeding.

[hatzel]

Then read the news sections of the sites of various ML parties there...some pretty concrete examples you can find...
Cheers.

Or we could just wait until a bunch of self-declared Stalinists somehow bring about global communism...

[tir1944]

Tens of thousands of people also go to evangelical preachers in poor third world countries. and then, the poor people ACTUALLY give the preacher their money. i guess we should all become evangelicals, or even better, scientologists. That's getting pretty popular. And the average american is pro-george washington. It doesn't mean anything, just that whoever wants to use stalin as a sign of nationalism is succeeding. That'd be a stupid reply to make even if these Evangelicals were indeed a political party...



Or we could just wait until a bunch of self-declared Stalinists somehow bring about global communism...
Cool trollin' bro.

[hatzel]

Cool trollin' bro.

Because suggesting a bunch of self-declared Stalinists might somehow bring about global communism is trolling now? :confused:

Also this thread is really silly

[tir1944]

Because suggesting a bunch of self-declared Stalinists might somehow bring about global communism is trolling now?
Where exactly did i suggest that?

[Geiseric]

Evangelicals, democrats, tea party, stalinists, irish republicans, anarchists, WHATEVER! it's the same principle! if you have enough money to advertise and a good place to start a protest, people WILL go.

[tir1944]

Evangelicals, democrats, tea party, stalinists, irish republicans, anarchists, WHATEVER! it's the same principle! if you have enough money to advertise and a good place to start a protest, people WILL go.
People WILL go to protests about,i don't know,higher beer taxes (in case the protests get some "sponsorships" from breweries :lol:)...
What's your point anyway?

[hatzel]

Where exactly did i suggest that?

Wait wait wait wait wait...you've just spent the last few pages singing the praises of Stalin-lovers and their Marxist-Leninist organisations and all that stuff...and you're not suggesting they might actually bring about communism at any point? Shiiiii-it, no wonder you got "patriotic socialist" :lol:

[tir1944]

Wait wait wait wait wait...you've just spent the last few pages singing the praises of Stalin-lovers and their Marxist-Leninist organisations and all that stuff...and you're not suggesting they might actually bring about communism at any point?
The class struggle in,i don't know,USA or India obviously won't be led by Russian communists...

[Die Rote Fahne]

The class struggle in,i don't know,USA or India obviously won't be led by Russian communists...
Why not?

[hatzel]

The class struggle in,i don't know,USA or India obviously won't be led by Russian communists...

Could still be led by Stalin-lovers, though. Or, you could argue that, if that's your tendency, though I may be inclined to argue it couldn't. Luckily, I don't really care, because I don't live in the 30's or whatever. So I'll just leave this irrelevance right now...

[tir1944]

Why not?
Because of the fact that American workers need their own national vanguard? How could Russian Communists lead the working masses of some other country that's immensely different in just about everything,with different conditions and several times bigger population-wise?
Also nice attempt at trolling...

[Geiseric]

Who said that russians are the only revolutionaries in their respective party? Im kinda tired of this too, weed sounds funner.

[tir1944]

Who said that russians are the only revolutionaries in their respective party?
What? I don't understand?



Im kinda tired of this too, weed sounds funner.
Yeah it's definitely funnier than educating yourself about communist parties in other countries...

[thesadmafioso]

Alright guys, it is more fun.

Not funner, not funnier, more fun.

Our war over tendency does not need to extend to grammar, it has done us no harm.

[Die Rote Fahne]

Because of the fact that American workers need their own national vanguard? How could Russian Communists lead the working masses of some other country that's immensely different in just about everything,with different conditions and several times bigger population-wise?
Also nice attempt at trolling...
Nice attempt at trolling? You must be right, you are an expert at it...

Seriously, my point isn't that a Russian communist party in Russia can lead it, but that some Russians who go to the USA, and become a part of the struggle there, even if they take their own party and make a US branch can.

I don't expect someone to not be present in the place they are agitating or trying to help lead in the revolution.

Or have I missed the point? Perhaps I have...

[citizen of industry]

http://www.politicaltest.net/test/graphic2/50134_eng.jpg

Wow, a social democrat. I feel dirty now.

[A Revolutionary Tool]

The class struggle in,i don't know,USA or India obviously won't be led by Russian communists...
Isn't that what the M-L's in Russia did though? "Hey CPUSA this is going to be your political line, now get behind it."

My test said I'm a Trotskyist...

[Kamos]

You are a Trotskyist. 4 percent of the test participators are in the same category and 4 percent are more extremist than you.

http://www.politicaltest.net/test/graphic2/50219_eng.jpg

Well, I'm not exactly a Trotskyistbut at least the test got some things right.

[RedAnarchist]

http://www.politicaltest.net/test/graphic2/50225_eng.jpg

Another Trotskyist here.

[Comrade Gwydion]

http://www.politicaltest.net/test/graphic2/50227_eng.jpg

Trotskist

[Nox]

I didn't know everyone here was a Trotskyist.

[CommunityBeliever]

I am not a damned social democrat you stupid test.

http://www.politicaltest.net/test/graphic2/50232_eng.jpg

[hatzel]

I am not a damned social democrat you stupid test.

Well clearly you are, because the test said so :tt2:

[thefinalmarch]

http://www.politicaltest.net/test/graphic2/50237_eng.jpg
I am anthropocentric as fuck, which is pretty true.

You are a patriotic and authoritarian Socialist. 2 percent of the test participators are in the same category and 58 percent are more extremist than you.

http://www.politicaltest.net/test/graphic2/50051_eng.jpg
What'd you have to say to get that nationalistic score anyway? Vote to deport foreign criminals? Claim your nation's gene pool was superior?

Even given that this is a pretty poor representation of anyone's actual politics, you'd have to have answered some of those questions with some pretty reactionary shit.

[Fopeos]

I guess i'm a Trot.

[Yugo45]

You are a Social Democrat. 12 percent of the test participators are in the same category and 6 percent are more extremist than you.
http://www.politicaltest.net/test/graphic2/50245_eng.jpg

This test would be much better if it weren't for these "YOU'RE A TROT", "YOU'RE A SOCIAL DEMOCRAT" etc.

[thefinalmarch]

This test would be much better if it weren't for these "YOU'RE A TROT", "YOU'RE A SOCIAL DEMOCRAT" etc.
This test would be much better if it asked for our perspectives on the lessons learnt from the Russian experience, and perhaps also our conception of the 'party' or the 'vanguard' and precisely what role organised, pro-revolutionary activists and militants have in the class struggle.

Sadly, this is not the case.

[Revolutionair]

You are a Trotskyist. 4 percent of the test participators are in the same category and 4 percent are more extremist than you.


http://www.politicaltest.net/test/graphic2/50260_eng.jpg

A trot? :(

[Apoi_Viitor]

You are a Trotskyist.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

4 percent of the test participators are in the same category and 2 percent are more extremist than you.

http://www.politicaltest.net/test/graphic2/50274_eng.jpg

[Ocean Seal]

I'm a Trotskyist :). Well I am one, sort of. This test seems more reliable than the political compass, but it requires more questions. Also I think that too many revlefters have been taking these tests when it tells you that 7% are more extreme than you :laugh:.

http://www.politicaltest.net/test/graphic2/50117_eng.jpg

[Revolution starts with U]

100% communist... wow. im impressed :tt1:

[pax et aequalitas]

I'm a Trotskyist :). Well I am one, sort of. This test seems more reliable than the political compass, but it requires more questions. Also I think that too many revlefters have been taking these tests when it tells you that 7% are more extreme than you :laugh:.

http://www.politicaltest.net/test/graphic2/50117_eng.jpg

AAAAAAND WE HAVE A WINNEEEEEERRRRR!!!!! DING DING DING!!!!

100% communistic, congratulations! You get a free box of communist cookies! Sweatshop-free! You can share them with all your comrades!

[Geiseric]

Lol, we win! Trotskyists, unite!

The most elementary human rights also apply to primates. <--STRONGLY AGREE!! Power to the Gorilla Overlords!

What constitutes being "more extremist"?

[Smyg]

100% communist, 58% pacifist, 57% anarchist = Trotskyist? Sounds weird to me. :tt2:

[Geiseric]

Well the end goal when there isn't a civil war or an economic collapse is actually pretty localised soviets... I can't see how that's not a bad thing...

[hatzel]

The thing about this test is that you have to answer neutral for a whole bunch because you have literally no idea what the incredibly poorly worded questions are even trying to ask....

[Demogorgon]

http://www.politicaltest.net/test/graphic2/50314_eng.jpg/

[Bronco]

I'm a social democratic Cosmopolitan :unsure:

http://www.politicaltest.net/test/graphic2/50321_eng.jpg

[Kitty_Paine]

"You are an anarcho-collectivistic. 0 percent of the test participators are in the same category and 13 percent are more extremist than you."

http://www.politicaltest.net/test/graphic2/50322_eng.jpg

Hmmm, interesting... I'll have to look into that more. But it seems half have been getting results they like and the other half not so much... I guess it's to be taken with a grain of salt then... :p

[pax et aequalitas]

I'm a social democratic Cosmopolitan :unsure:

http://www.politicaltest.net/test/graphic2/50321_eng.jpg

Now I'm really starting to wonder if they just label everyone who is remotely pacifist a social-democrat

[aristos]

You are a patriotic and authoritarian Socialist. 2 percent of the test participators are in the same category and 58 percent are more extremist than you.

http://www.politicaltest.net/test/graphic2/50051_eng.jpg

ENEMY PRESENCE DETECTED! ENGAGE ALL DEFENCES!

RESTRICT! RESTRICT! RESTRICT! RESTRICT! RESTRICT!

:tt2::laugh:

[tir1944]

RESTRICT! RESTRICT! RESTRICT! RESTRICT! RESTRICT!
Why the hell should i be restricted?

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

Why the hell should i be restricted?

I believe he is jesting.

Unless you are a homophobe like a lot of former east-bloc "communists" around here in the past have been, which has given them a bad image. Are you?

[tir1944]

Are you?
Nope.
:)

[Public Domain]

You are a Trotskyist. 4 percent of the test participators are in the same category and 1 percent are more extremist than you.
http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/9360/50343eng.png
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/7351/50343eng1.png

I'm not a Trot but I'm totally cool with being so radical. :cool:

[Iraultzaile Ezkerreko]

You are a Trotskyist. 4 percent of the test participators are in the same category and 0 percent are more extremist than you.

http://www.politicaltest.net/test/graphic2/50341_eng.jpg

[ComradeMan]

Still no fundamentalists yet.... other than me.... LOL!!! :cool:

[pax et aequalitas]

http://www.politicaltest.net/test/graphic2/50341_eng.jpg

*hands you the dirty commie pinko liberal scum cookie AKA the pacifist cookie*

[MustCrushCapitalism]

You are an orthodox Marxist. 0 percent of the test participators are in the same category and 10 percent are more extremist than you.

http://www.politicaltest.net/test/graphic2/50359_eng.jpg

:tt2: I'm not a Trotskyist!

[A Revolutionary Tool]

"The most elementary human rights also apply to primates."
This question made me lol. First of all I have no idea what the most elementary human rights mean. When I do imagine people talking about stuff like that I imagine Thomas Jefferson telling me there is to be freedom of the press, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, etc, all of which a primate has no right to because it can't even conceptualize such a thing. So what the fuck kind of stupid question was that? Or is it supposed to mean primates shouldn't be put in cages and that they have a right to life?

Anyways I put strongly disagree for that one.

[ComradeMan]

"The most elementary human rights also apply to primates."
This question made me lol. First of all I have no idea what the most elementary human rights mean. When I do imagine people talking about stuff like that I imagine Thomas Jefferson telling me there is to be freedom of the press, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, etc, all of which a primate has no right to because it can't even conceptualize such a thing. So what the fuck kind of stupid question was that? Or is it supposed to mean primates shouldn't be put in cages and that they have a right to life?

Anyways I put strongly disagree for that one.

I don't know, unless it's trying to make a monkey out of us, but there are some apes I'd prefer to some people....

I answered partially agree....

[Agent Equality]

http://images.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/10532235.jpg

[hatzel]

Still no funfamentalists yet.... other than me.... LOL!!! :cool:

Putting the 'fun' in fundamentalist, maaaaan! :thumbup:

To be honest, some of the questions may unintentionally lean towards the 'unexpected' side. The one about compulsory religious education in schools, for example. In my mind (that is to say, judging by what I remember RE class to be at school), 'religious education' means a class in which you learn about all the different religions, their customs and beliefs and all that. I'd personally say that ought to be compulsory, as it is effective in demystifying the stranger and developing a culture of tolerance between the different religious communities, starting at a young age. But I feel that the question intends 'religious education' to mean pretty much just church, but in the classroom. So, of course, agreeing that such a thing should be compulsory would probably be dragging you towards the fundamentalist side, even if the intention was actually to overcome fundamentalism by presenting alternative viewpoints...

Just in case anybody wanted to know why tests like this are beat, yo :cool:

[ComradeMan]

Putting the 'fun' in fundamentalist, maaaaan!...

Yo, Takbir!!!! :D

To be honest, I thought religious lessons were much as you described, so answered yes.... :rolleyes:

[CleverTitle]

Apparently joining the army of Trots in here.

http://www.politicaltest.net/test/graphic2/50368_eng.jpg

[El Louton]

Political Identifier! .png (http://www.revleft.com/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=8423&stc=1&d=1318276682)

Did it work!?

[El Louton]

Political Identifier! .png (http://www.revleft.com/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=8423&stc=1&d=1318276682)

Did it work!?

Well anyway, Communistic!

[hatzel]

Just as a little doff of the hat to this thread's sectarian shitstorm heritage:


Apparently joining the army of Trots in here.

Oh, what a shame that army ain't never gonna achieve nuttin'! :lol:

[ComradeMan]

Just as a little doff of the hat to this thread's sectarian shitstorm heritage: Oh, what a shame that army ain't never gonna achieve nuttin'! :lol:

They are fooled and misled by their false prophets... mwahahaha

[RedZezz]

I tried to get it so all the bars were on the right to see what they called that:

You are a national liberal totalitarian. 0 percent of the test participators are in the same category and 0 percent are more extremist than you.

nationalistic - 43%
fundementalist - 90%
reactionary - 86%
authoritarian - 78%
capitalistic - 68%
militaristic - 71%
anthropocentric - 85%

Not all the way to the right, but apparently 0 people are more radical than that.

[MustCrushCapitalism]

0 people are more radical than that.

God, I hope not.

[hatzel]

Liberal totalitarianism's where it's at, yeah...

[RedZezz]

God, I hope not.

I suspect 100% in nationalistic, fundementalist, reactionary, authoritarian, capitalistic, militaristic, and anthropocentric says:

You are an asshole. 0 percent of the test participators are in the same category and 0 percent are more extremist than you. May God have mercy on your soul.

[Spets]

Eh, whatever.

http://www.politicaltest.net/test/graphic2/50398_eng.jpg

[Sputnik_1]

lol, questions are really poorly worded and is pretty simplistic. fun tho. i got a social-democratic cosmopolitan.

[The Teacher]

Political Compass has me as a -9/-9 hardcore marxist anarchist. I know that wasn't right. This is a bit closer

You are a cosmopolitan Social Democrat. 15 percent of the test participators are in the same category and 18 percent are more extremist than you.

http://www.politicaltest.net/test/graphic2/50424_eng.jpg (http://www.politicaltest.net/test/graphic2/50424_eng.jpg)

[Le Rouge]

:cool: I'm a trotskyist.

You are a Trotskyist. 4 percent of the test participators are in the same category and 11 percent are more extremist than you.

http://www.politicaltest.net/test/graphic2/50432_eng.jpg

[tir1944]

Being a prominent "cosmopolitan" could get you in trouble in the 40s-50s USSR...

[hatzel]

Being a prominent "cosmopolitan" could get you in trouble in the 40s-50s USSR...

Oh no!

[Revolution starts with U]

Ok so I tried to answer it as a Stalinist and got
http://www.politicaltest.net/test/graphic2/50443_eng.jpg

Tried to answer as a hippy primitivist:
http://www.politicaltest.net/test/graphic2/50447_eng.jpg

And here is my attempt at answering as a mainstream republican
http://www.politicaltest.net/test/graphic2/50450_eng.jpg

[Revolution starts with U]

Oh, that was:
1)Patriotic and Authoritarian Socialist
2)Social Democrat...
3)Neo-conservative

[Zostrianos]

Cosmopolitan Social Democrat here :D

[Seth]

You are a leftist nationalist totalitarian. 0 percent of the test participators are in the same category and 2 percent are more extremist than you.

http://www.politicaltest.net/test/graphic2/50453_eng.jpg


If I try to image what a fascist would get ^

[Yuppie Grinder]

***** i aint no social democrat

[Le Rouge]

Seems like it's quite accurate. I got the same result with the political compass.


Edit : Look at the stats on the website.

http://www.politicaltest.net/stats/

Average people are leftists.

[Commissar Rykov]

http://www.politicaltest.net/test/graphic2/50476_eng.jpg
Err it says I'm a Social Democrat...ok.:confused:

[Seth]

http://www.politicaltest.net/stats/graphic3/x_x_x_NON_x_eng.jpg

There's a lot of things wrong with the labels it gives you...and any amount of state intervention is considered "communistic."

[thefinalmarch]

http://www.politicaltest.net/test/graphic2/50453_eng.jpg


If I try to image what a fascist would get ^
And you managed to get a more communistic than capitalistic score?

[thefinalmarch]

http://www.politicaltest.net/stats/graphic3/x_x_x_NON_x_eng.jpg


"Leftist-Fascist"

You've got to be shitting me.

[Geiseric]

I would have killed myself if bourgeois patriot came up.

[Seth]

And you managed to get a more communistic than capitalistic score?

Yeah like I said, any state intervention is communistic, so if you're not RRRRNGHHHH FREEE MARKETZ!!!1 you're communistic to the people that made this.

[Seth]

I tried to answer like an old-school German Nazi and well well:


You are a National Socialist. 1 percent of the test participators are in the same category and 7 percent are more extremist than you.



http://www.politicaltest.net/test/graphic2/50497_eng.jpg (http://www.politicaltest.net/test/graphic2/50497_eng.jpg)

[Seth]

I tried to answer like a right libertarian:


You are a capitalist. 1 percent of the test participators are in the same category and 5 percent are more extremist than you. http://www.politicaltest.net/test/graphic2/50500_eng.jpg

[NGNM85]

Like many others, I, too, was determined to be a 'Social Democrat.'

http://www.politicaltest.net/test/graphic2/50666_eng.jpg

Honestly; I think the Political Compass is substantially better.

[Red Commissar]

I scored Soc-Dem as well.

Excuse me while I go purge myself for this gross revisionism on my part.

[alegab]

You are a social democratic Cosmopolitan. 14 percent of the test participators are in the same category and 11 percent are more extremist than you.
Cosmo 54%
Secular 72%
Visio 55%
Anarch 50%
Comm 40%
Pacifist 45%
Anthrop 19%

[Maslo]

National Liberal Democrat. 2 percent of the test participators are in the same category and 61 percent are more extremist than you.

http://www.politicaltest.net/test/graphic2/51548_eng.jpg

[JFB.anon]

(Too poor to even get an image, :()

Social Democrat

Cosmo 19%< Nationalistic
Secular 72%< Fundamentalist
Visionary 50%< Reactionary
Anarchistic 38%< Authoritarian
Communistic 67%< Capitalist
Pacifist >51% Millitaristic
Ecological >52% Anthropocentric.

Wow, that's a shame. I feel like a douchebag.