Aspergers, Autism, ADD, etc

[MustCrushCapitalism]

Just wondering, seeing as many here are intelligent people, or so I'll assume, and I've noticed a link between certain mental disorders and intelligence, does anyone here have any kind of mental disorder? I personally have not been diagnosed, but I'm fairly certain that I do have aspergers.

Beyond that, if you do have a mental disorder that you feel is linked to some kind of superior intelligence, do you believe that the effects of being socially disadvantaged are worth increased intelligence?

[EvilRedGuy]

Bullshit. Medical illness don't make you smarter. Pseudo-science bullshit.

I'm Infantile Autist (Social Autism) but most Aspergers i meet are dumbasses with no knowledge and no real diagnosis, just the doctors telling them they are something they even aren't. Fucking posers.

[Ned Kelly]

I've been diagnosed with ADD. I think it's a load of shit tbh

[Smyg]

ADHD and AS. It isn't particulary pleasant. :rolleyes:

[Kenco Smooth]

Just wondering, seeing as many here are intelligent people, or so I'll assume, and I've noticed a link between certain mental disorders and intelligence, does anyone here have any kind of mental disorder? I personally have not been diagnosed, but I'm fairly certain that I do have aspergers.

Beyond that, if you do have a mental disorder that you feel is linked to some kind of superior intelligence, do you believe that the effects of being socially disadvantaged are worth increased intelligence?

There's no link between higher intelligence and autism/related syndromes. Generally speaking Autistic individuals score lower than average on IQ testing however it is still not clear whether this is a direct effect of autism on cognitive functioning or a result of the specific method of measuring said activity. There's some evidence that it's the latter.

In any case traditional IQ testing seems to fail to correlate with real life performance/success (employability, school performance, income, life expectancy, etc.) in autistic groups in the way it does in the general population making it very tricky to even begin to make some quantitative comparison of 'intelligence', whatever the result may be.

[Kitty_Paine]

Generalized anxiety disorder, I hate the name... But I think I'm getting past it, or getting used to it. It's a good thing too because I swear they try and drug me into a coma.

They've also try'd to tell me I have Cyclothymic disorder but I disagree... :p I think it's just because I'm young and reckless... I fucking hate doctors. All they try and do is make money by telling you how fucked up you are.

[∞]

I got memory problems, and as many of you know...I am a dumbass. :)

[Kitty_Paine]

I got memory problems, and as many of you know...I am a dumbass. :)

:lol: I actually laughed out loud at this...

I think everyone has memory problems though... at least in our general generation there's a clear cause; it's because people are smoking weed too much :p

or can you like literally not remember yesterday?

[Tablo]

I was diagnosed with ADHD when I was 7. I think my diagnosis was bs though.

[MattShizzle]

I have Aspergers. Not diagnosed until my 30s. Also an IQ in the 130s. Also have Major Depression and several suicide attempts. And very severe social anxiety.

[CynicalIdealist]

Bullshit. Medical illness don't make you smarter. Pseudo-science bullshit.

I'm Infantile Autist (Social Autism) but most Aspergers i meet are dumbasses with no knowledge and no real diagnosis, just the doctors telling them they are something they even aren't. Fucking posers.

I have Aspergers but I don't flaunt it, so fuck off.

[∞]

:lol: I actually laughed out loud at this...

I think everyone has memory problems though... at least in our general generation there's a clear cause; it's because people are smoking weed too much :p

or can you like literally not remember yesterday?

I have a great memory of things that happened a long ass time ago but short-term, I can't remember anything. I have been diagnosed with Limbic ADD by my mother who is a neurologist. Its not severe but I constantly have to be reminded things. However, recently I took the myers-briggs personality indicator and realized there a shit-ton of people like me. And by that I mean around 2% of the population, and half the population on the internet.

[Wall$reet_Weenie]

Gender dysphoria, ADHD, Severe social anxiety, and very mild Autism. Ain't no fun.

[EvilRedGuy]

I have Aspergers but I don't flaunt it, so fuck off.

Well most i know do,

so fuck off.

[piet11111]

PDD-NOS

I also have memory issues and i sometimes mix up words while having the thought perfectly formulated in my head.

I suspect my memory issues come from a long history of using anti-depressives like citalopram and paroxetine where i could be reading a page in a book and not remember what happened at the beginning of that page.
Memory is a lot better now though but not anywhere near what it used to be (almost photographic)

[RedRose]

Schizophrenia, definetly doesn't make me smarter. Suppose it makes me think in weird ways sometimes but doesn't make me any more intelligent.

EDIT:
(My views on ADD etc.)
My mother works as a special education needs teacher, and interacts with (and I've interacted with myself) some very serious cases of autism and ADD and they are real diseases as far as I'm aware. The problem is basically people are now living through one of the most distracting eras ever, but as soon as they actually get distracted? MENTAL DISORDER! And people are basically being drugged through life. I think those who have major problems should be identified and diagnosed, but people shouldn't be so liberal with it. No offence to anyone suffering from any of those diseases, but I think that in a lot of cases it's just paranoid parents trying to keep their child as perfect as possible.

[The Jay]

I have major depressive disorder, mmm drugs. You should read A First Rate Madness: how mental illness may enhance crisis leadership. It's really good.

[CynicalIdealist]

Well most i know do,

so fuck off.

How is saying this not bigoted in the slightest? That's like saying "most black people I know are stupid" or "most gay people I know are obnoxious." You're acting like your experience speaks for people with aspergers but it doesn't.

So like I said before, fuck off.

[ericksolvi]

Just wondering, seeing as many here are intelligent people, or so I'll assume, and I've noticed a link between certain mental disorders and intelligence, does anyone here have any kind of mental disorder? I personally have not been diagnosed, but I'm fairly certain that I do have aspergers.

Beyond that, if you do have a mental disorder that you feel is linked to some kind of superior intelligence, do you believe that the effects of being socially disadvantaged are worth increased intelligence?

I'm bipolar. Studies have shown a tendency toward higher intelligence with the bipolar.
I think that human brains are kind of like cars. The higher performance models come with more little flukes and brake downs. My disorder comes with mood swings, and a general inconsistency. For instance today I'm writing a lot, next week I may not write at all. Is it worth it though? How can I say? If I could try out being someone else for a week, I would.

[ericksolvi]

Schizophrenia, definetly doesn't make me smarter. Suppose it makes me think in weird ways sometimes but doesn't make me any more intelligent.

EDIT:
(My views on ADD etc.)
My mother works as a special education needs teacher, and interacts with (and I've interacted with myself) some very serious cases of autism and ADD and they are real diseases as far as I'm aware. The problem is basically people are now living through one of the most distracting eras ever, but as soon as they actually get distracted? MENTAL DISORDER! And people are basically being drugged through life. I think those who have major problems should be identified and diagnosed, but people shouldn't be so liberal with it. No offence to anyone suffering from any of those diseases, but I think that in a lot of cases it's just paranoid parents trying to keep their child as perfect as possible.

Socrates was Schizophrenic. His attempts to reconcile his chaotic mind with reality gave of the Socratic method.
I agree with you about the over diagnosis of children. Also the state of the world, over stimulation, may be the root cause of the rise childhood mental disorder.
My Mother is also a teacher, and she has a certification in counseling, so I've heard all about her dealings with children that have problems. She actually kept me off of prescription drugs when I was a kid, despite my having ADD, she said she would rather deal with my hyperactivity then expose me to substances with unknown possible long term side effects.

[The Jay]

Bullshit. Medical illness don't make you smarter. Pseudo-science bullshit.

I'm Infantile Autist (Social Autism) but most Aspergers i meet are dumbasses with no knowledge and no real diagnosis, just the doctors telling them they are something they even aren't. Fucking posers.

Mental illnesses, particularly bipolar, depression, and mania, have been correlated with increased iq in the same way left-handedness is.

[Kitty_Paine]

Most "Mental Disorders" are complete crap, with their only purpose being so that a Psychiatrist can stick a label on you and tell you that you need some drugs because you're different or fucked up in some way. "Oh, Doctor! You mean I'm human?! I had no idea!"

When diagnosing a patient psychiatrists/psychologists refer to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM). Which is a big ass book that names all of the mental disorders and what their symptoms and prognosis are. Currently, we are on the 4th edition, the DSM-IV-TR (Text Revision) released in 2000. And do you know how they write these thing? It's a group of psychiatrists and psychologists who are old, white men who sit around a table and put what ever they want into this DSM. It's completely up to them, if they think there needs to be some disorder in there, they stick it in there. No research/testing required... easy as 1-2-3...

Don't quite meet the symptom requirements for Bipolar disorder? It's cool, we just "discovered" Cyclothymic Disorder (<--- my case) you have that, here's some pills... we accept cash or credit :)

Granted some people do have real disorders and do need help, I'm not arguing that. But with the thickness of the DSM-IV... every person on the earth could find something they have. Get my point?

[RHIZOMES]

Just wondering, seeing as many here are intelligent people, or so I'll assume, and I've noticed a link between certain mental disorders and intelligence, does anyone here have any kind of mental disorder? I personally have not been diagnosed, but I'm fairly certain that I do have aspergers.

Beyond that, if you do have a mental disorder that you feel is linked to some kind of superior intelligence, do you believe that the effects of being socially disadvantaged are worth increased intelligence?

Yes. I have Aspergers Syndome, and from a relatively early age I could never understand the stupid shit that people thought about the world. I think I am doomed to a life in which I see flaws in everything, but I'm trying to harness these powers for good.

I also get A+s at University while only investing half the time into my coursework than most other students, and have been published already at the undergrad level. So in another sense my intelligence gives me a means which to escape my disadvantaged background without compromising my ethics... hopefully.

Also I am aware the arbitrariness and social constructedness of mental disorders. Not that they don't exist, but that disorders are very definitive and objective categories put upon quite ambiguous and subjective phenomena. My partner has definite mental health issues, but her diagnosis has changed as many times as a fart shifts in the wind.

I've read that ADD, dyslexia, Aspergers and some other disorders are all linked to the same part of the brain being abnormal. Can't recall what it is right now and I've gotta rush so can't look it up.

[Mythbuster]

I honestly do have Aspergers, but it has NOTHING to do with my intellegence, though it may help some :) Honestly, I wouldn't change it.

Note to the bourgeoisie: STOP TREATING US LIKE A DISEASE!

[Die Rote Fahne]

Never been diagnosed, but I think I have anxiety issues...

[piet11111]

I just love this one https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Oppositional_defiant_disorder


Common features of Oppositional Defiant Disorder (ODD) include excessive, often persistent anger, frequent temper tantrums (https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Temper_tantrums) or angry outbursts, and disregard for authority. Children and adolescents with this disorder often annoy others on purpose, blame others for their mistakes, and are easily annoyed. Parents often observe more rigid and defiant behaviors than in siblings.[1] (https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Oppositional_defiant_disorder#cite_note-0) In addition, these young people may appear resentful of others and when someone does something they don't like they often take revenge on them.[2] (https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Oppositional_defiant_disorder#cite_note-1)
In order for a child or adolescent to qualify for a diagnosis of ODD these behaviors must cause considerable distress for the family and/or interfere significantly with academic or social functioning. Interference might take the form of preventing the child or adolescent from learning school material or making friends, or placing him or her in harmful situations. These behaviors must also persist for at least six months.

[Nox]

Bullshit. Medical illness don't make you smarter. Pseudo-science bullshit.

I'm Infantile Autist (Social Autism) but most Aspergers i meet are dumbasses with no knowledge and no real diagnosis, just the doctors telling them they are something they even aren't. Fucking posers.

Actually, what he is saying does have some truth behind it.

One of the 'symptoms' of Aspergers/Autism is a strong interest in particular things, so they will be very knowledgable on those particular things.

I hope this makes sense.

[Renno]

Ever read DSM-IV? This is the booklet that is used for diagnosing psychological stuff. It is written by the american psychiatric union.

It contains symptoms of diseases. If you have enough of certain symptoms you can call yourself officially raving mad. And ofcourse there is medication for your particular disease............

Mine is anti-social personality disorder with periodical, explosive impuls-breaktroughs. And i have an IQ of 128, although i never use it :blink:

Thus my favorite song is;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dptw8L_N_3o

[EvilRedGuy]

Actually, what he is saying does have some truth behind it.

One of the 'symptoms' of Aspergers/Autism is a strong interest in particular things, so they will be very knowledgable on those particular things.

I hope this makes sense.

Being interested in something =/= I.Q

First of all I.Q dosen't really exist, as its kind of unpossible to calculate someone's intelligence level. Yes, i have interest in music/politics/cooking/Philosophy thats why i am good at it, nothing to do with "intelligence" its a common trait of autists to be interested in specific things.

PS- I see you have turned into a Anarchist, nice change...

[deLarge]

I was diagnosed with Aspergers in middle school, but I still thick it is a bunch of shit. And the only thing more full of shit than psychiatrists saying that other people have it, is people on the internet who self-diagnose as having it. protip: you don't

[EvilRedGuy]

I was diagnosed with Aspergers in middle school, but I still thick it is a bunch of shit. And the only thing more full of shit than psychiatrists saying that other people have it, is people on the internet who self-diagnose as having it. protip: you don't

Oh shutup. :rolleyes:

Who are you to tell other peoples what they are and not, let them decide themself, kkthxbai.

[∞]

ITT: Self diagnosed teenagers.

[Ballyfornia]

I just love this one https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Oppositional_defiant_disorder

Sounds like nearly everyone my age i know.

[La Comédie Noire]

I think everyone experiences memory problems as they get older because they have more stress, more things to remember, and can be mentally and physically exhausted. I used to have a pristine memory when I was younger as well.

[scarletghoul]

I'm Infantile Autist (Social Autism) but most Aspergers i meet are dumbasses with no knowledge and no real diagnosis, just the doctors telling them they are something they even aren't. Fucking posers.
Hahaha, you hipster you . "i was autistic before it was mainstream"

[Ostrinski]

I have Major Depressive Disorder and I have been diagnosed with Aspergers. Though, I've always doubted the validity of the disorder itself. I also scored very low on the IQ test but am very knowledgeable of the things I'm interested in.

[leftace53]

I just have the usual, clinical depression, general anxiety (both "diagnosed"). I like to think I'm smart, but come on, theres simply too much to learn and too little time.

There are too many variables in defining "smartness" let alone in measuring it.

[Nox]

Being interested in something =/= I.Q

First of all I.Q dosen't really exist, as its kind of unpossible to calculate someone's intelligence level. Yes, i have interest in music/politics/cooking/Philosophy thats why i am good at it, nothing to do with "intelligence" its a common trait of autists to be interested in specific things.

PS- I see you have turned into a Anarchist, nice change...

I know that being good at something =/= iq, but people often mistake being good at maths as having a high iq for example.

[Rusty Shackleford]

diagnosed ADHD when i was younger. pumped full of amphetamines for 7 years after that. that was probably what caused my attention problems that i have today.

[RHIZOMES]

ITT: Self diagnosed teenagers.

I'm neither self-diagnosed or a teenager.

I have Major Depressive Disorder and I have been diagnosed with Aspergers. Though, I've always doubted the validity of the disorder itself. I also scored very low on the IQ test but am very knowledgeable of the things I'm interested in.

IQ tests are bullshit, they only test you on types of instrumental knowledge that are valued in our ultra-rationalist society. I imagine countless poets novelists, and academics who are extremely intelligent with the manipulation of words get low IQ scores. You can also have a high IQ score and be a dumbass when it comes to politics or just general world knowledge - I encountered this a lot with my "high achieving" nerd friends at high school.

Intelligence can't be reduced to questions in an IQ test because there countless epistemologies in the world that many people are highly skilled in that aren't or can't be tested. IQ tests are an oppressive state apparatus enacted by elitist upper-class white men.

[The Jay]

IQ tests are bullshit, they only test you on types of instrumental knowledge that are valued in our ultra-rationalist society. I imagine countless poets novelists, and academics who are extremely intelligent with the manipulation of words get low IQ scores.

What's wrong with being rational? On the other hand, I understand where you're coming from. Would you like it better if it was called the logical performance index instead of iq?

[RHIZOMES]

What's wrong with being rational? On the other hand, I understand where you're coming from. Would you like it better if it was called the logical performance index instead of iq?

When I talk of rationality, I mean a characteristic in capitalist society in where constant technological innovation is used to accrue profit more efficiently and effectively (time/resource management, automation, etc). Since it has a clear instrumental value to the capitalist ruling class (i.e. value that begets more value), formal objective rationality such as maths and science became elevated onto an ideological pedestal, while more subjective knowledge and critical inquiry ends up getting sidelined due to the potentiality for threatening the dominant social order rather than solidifying it.

By not specifying what type of intelligence IQ tests are really looking for, a lot of intelligent kids who are talented in fields such as poetry, literature, art, social/cultural analysis, etc. end up undervaluing their strengths because society hammers this IQ test bollocks into them from an early age.

The irony is of course that in the early days of scientific history, the people that ended up discovering all these scientific facts (Kepler is a good example of this) had to do so by 'impractical' conjecture and theory, and you can often find they are ridiculed for thinking about these things that at the time threatened the existing social order. In contrast, the modern religion vs. science debate that predominates a lot of 'cultural critique' in the mainstream media is a bit of a farce (in comparison to a lot of cultural conflicts that the media does not cover), since science now has use-value to the powers that be and therefore has been a significant amount of ideological power.

Rational economic organisation is a cornerstone for theories on how hypothetical communist societies might work, its why communism is the logical extension of capitalism, since communism would use rational technologies for values other than instrumental ones. While communism uses rationality to provide a material base for the subjective side of the human condition to flourish, having time to think due to our basic needs being met, capitalism uses rationality to simply get more money and then invest that money into crafting more rationalistic ways of exploiting larger percentages of the human population for less and less money.

Tl;dr summary: The problem with rationality is when people value rationality only, at the expense of other aspects of human existence. This is because of capitalism.

[EvilRedGuy]

I used to go in a special class with someone(rich, bourgeois parents) who was ADHD and really good at math, language, everything. But he was a over-spoiled, racist, big liar, didn't care for anyone but his own interests and well-being, homophobe, transphobe, sexist, misogynist, basically an asshole towards everyone/anyone and he is someone who is going to have it hard to become a reliable, trusted, and productive person and who may never be able to contribute to society in a useful way. So "I.Q" doesn't necessarily equal a useful person to society. Just because you have it easier to learn specific things doesn't mean that you are any more important than others, especially if the only thing you want is only to have it wonderfully good for yourself(and only help yourself) and make everyone else suffer.

[Sinred]

I'm bipolar. Studies have shown a tendency toward higher intelligence with the bipolar.
I think that human brains are kind of like cars. The higher performance models come with more little flukes and brake downs. My disorder comes with mood swings, and a general inconsistency. For instance today I'm writing a lot, next week I may not write at all. Is it worth it though? How can I say? If I could try out being someone else for a week, I would.

Any sources?
FYI im bipolar as well, with a high iq.
Im also diagnosed with ADD which i think is total bullcrap.
Especially since i live in the leading country in handling out ADHD and ADD
diagnoses to kids. Its ridicules really. Partly because around 50% of those kids diagnosed with it grow away from the disorder at the end of puberty. And partly because its just a way of saying "youre not like the others. Here, i got some medication for you".
I truly believe the diagnose itself in some cases caused more problems than any actual disorder.

Also while we are at the topic. I spit on ICD-10 (the psychiatric part of it ofc) and i prefeer the yanks DSM-IV any day of the week.

[BE_]

I have ADD, OCD and a bit of social anxiety. Most of my problems root from my OCD. I have a hard time doing certain things that can be a problem to my health or well being. I constantly worry about germs. I wash cups and plates even when they have already been clean. I also wash my hands allot to. I also freak out when ever I know something can hurt me or get me sick. For example, when ever I eat something that is past its date, I get a huge rush of anxiety and freak out. I also have problems with things I do not being perfect . I don't have many posts because I worry my post are not good enough or they are not worded right so I usually just don't finish them, but that usually changes sometimes if I get more comfortable with a forum. There are allot more worse things that OCD has brought me but I am to lazy to post them. But on the other side, OCD has brought me some pluses. I think it has made me more of an intelligent person. For example, I will sometimes get obsessed by a subject and then I will read about it or learn about it. It has also given me an overactive brain and I consistently think about things or subjects I am interested in. But on the down side, it has made me social awkward and extremely shy. I am always worried that If i say something it will be stupid and people wouldn't care if I said it.

It seems like doctors label to much though IMHO. It seems they want to prescribe some medication or be quick to say you have Autism or something like that just because you are a little bit different. They make people who have Autism or symptoms of Autism feel like they are crazy and weird when they are not, they just aren't as good in social situations like other people.

[Sturmovik]

I have always had my ups and downs but always had a problem with aggression since my early teens, and that combined with laying awake for hours every night because I couldn't shut my brain down would cause me to become extremely mad at things I experienced that day. But I my conscious has always made me not do stupid things.

I got diagnosed with ADHD at age 22. Was offered medication, tried it, didn't like it one bit so I stopped. Then just last year I took part in a clinical trial of Neurofeedback for people ADHD and comorbid conditions (which I might or might not have, it's all just guessing anyway). Made me stare at a screen with sensors on my head once a week for 30 minutes, was pretty allright. Supposed to help me concentrate, did it work? I have no idea, but after a few sessions I was able to fall asleep at night without much problems, and that's fine by me.

Also I'm extremely smart, super athletic and very good looking.

[Bronte]

Mild Asperger Syndrome, although I stress the word mild. It does not affect me.

Maybe it makes me seem somewhat introvert- although this allows me to block out noises and stuff- personally my form of ultra-focussed AS is not always a bad thing.

[Azraella]

Some thoughts as a psychologist(very ramble like)...

I will say that while psychology is the science and psychotherapy is the application of this body of scientific research, the idea of “talk therapy” as an effective catalyst for change is due to the establishment of a therapeutic relationship. Other characteristics of therapy like therapist genuineness, unconditional positive regard, and a holistic and positive approach to based on the person’s strengths portend the success of the therapy. Without these vital components, most approaches including CBT, DBT, and Interpersonal therapy might not prove so effective. Ultimately, the consumer of the services must perceive the services as valuable and want to change. The therapy must be broken down in measurable and attainable steps that are potent and salient (important) to the client. There is also research suggesting that negative, rather than positive, reinforcement is more important in the person’s willingness and success in attaining a goal. Moreover, a person is more likely to work hard to avoid a negative consequence of performing a behavior than working toward a incentive or reward.

Likewise, people are often more afraid of losing what they already have than in gaining something they don’t yet possess. I, believe, that direct confrontation by the therapist must occur, at some point, to hold the client accountable to his/her commitment to personal growth/goals. If the therapist, simply, coddles or enables the person, there is no room for improvement. Over identification or under identification with the client is to be avoided as the former creates collusion/codependency and the latter creates lack of empathy and disregard for the client as a worthy and capable person.

Overall, psychotherapy sprang from the idea that thoughts give rise to feelings which can, at times, propel action. If any one of these pieces of the triangle are changed (i.e. in exposure therapy the person changes their behavior by directly confronting the feared object. This, in turn, changes the way they think and feel about the object, which, alternatively, reinforces future interacts with the object…etc).

Doctors, nurses, physical therapist, and others in the medical/health field have the same issues with effecting change. This is where we get the term non-compliance or non-adherence. It is always phrased in documentation that the patient was “non-adherent to their medication regimen,” behavioral or treatment goals, etc… That is why motivational interviewing is so important. I really love the theory. I believe more of a gradual approach to change is more effective, personally – one that is not as threatening or pushy, but rather uses constant of assessment of willingness to change and motivation toward the goals as a gauge for the potential that the therapy and treatment will work. If motivation is low, obstacles must be outlined and assessment of the client’s current standing in Prochaska and DiClimente’s Stages of Change Model is helpful.

Unfortunately, insurance and managed care dictate how many clinicians treat their clients. I, believe, this has taken a lot of the creativity out of the field. Authorizing time is a difficult thing to do and managed care will not alway do so without first approving the techniques and approach. The time that is authorized is usually minimal and change is expected to occur within a short period of time. Psychotherapists get 8 – 12 therapy sessions at most before the client is expected to drop down to a lesser or the least restrictive level of care. In a lot of ways, these things are good to ensure that the therapy isn’t stagnate; but, mostly, it is there to control costs. Sadly, a lot of patients return and are recirculated back into the system. Case Managers and Psychotherapists also get handed huge case loads – up to about 20 people, sometimes – and are expected to give effective treatment and attention to all. Not to mention, the pay is minimal and, without a license it is difficult to find work that is not Per Diem or Fee for Service. I have seen psych drugs be very effective and I have also seen horror stories. Luckily, personalities usually stay intact, even when there is severe impairment in functioning. There really is no such thing as long-term psychoanalytic therapy anymore unless you have the money and can pay out of pocket pretty easily for it. I don’t really like the emphasis on the medical model and “diagnosing” every person who comes in. It is like putting a person in a box. Insurance requires this and the stigma that follows the label is, almost, everlasting. As such, when a person comes in they, usually, have the diagnosis and history that follows them. The documentation is taken and all this objective data cannot, always, offset the bias, stereotyping, and countertransferences that typify DSM-IV diagnoses.

In conclusion, I don't think it's really the field but rather the system, there is a lot of room for good and as I said, I love the theory and I believe there's a lot of potential in the field, but I think the system needs a serious overhaul.
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I myself, am inflicted with PTSD and post-partum depression

[piet11111]

Catherine you are a psychologist ?

If so would you say that there is pressure to medicate autists for problems that actually require non medical treatment ?

My experience with the dutch GGZ mental health service was that the first question i always got was how the meds where affecting me then how i felt and at the end of it if i required a prescription for a refill.

I tend to see psychologists as pill-pushers because of it and i wonder if you have a similar impression of the field in general.

[ProfessorVendetta]

I have Aspeger's and considered very smart. I am number 1 in my class rank.

[december]

According to simon baron-cohen, the evolutionary/cognitive psychologist, aspergers and autism represent an extremely systemizing brain. These people tend to be poor at empathy but extremely systematic. They excel at language and math typically and choose systemizing professions such as being an architect or engineer or scientist.
Baron Cohen has some tests you can take online to suggest whether you have aspbergers. In addition you can examine your third to first finger ratio.

Many disorders have characteristics corresponding to genious such as autism/aspbergers and schizophrenia. This is evidenced in socrates, kant, newton, einstein etc.

[Azraella]

Catherine you are a psychologist ?

If so would you say that there is pressure to medicate autists for problems that actually require non medical treatment ?

My experience with the dutch GGZ mental health service was that the first question i always got was how the meds where affecting me then how i felt and at the end of it if i required a prescription for a refill.

I tend to see psychologists as pill-pushers because of it and i wonder if you have a similar impression of the field in general.

I'm sorry on the delay. I will answer/address this tomorrow. The tl;dr version of tomorrow: psychologists are not psytchiatrists, there is a push in the insurance agencies to conflate the two, and most psychologists are not able to prescribe meds of any sort.

[pastradamus]

I have a cousin with both severe autism and asbergers (I know they are both on the same spectrum but are considered different in his case). I must say he's an amazing guy. Though he has an absolute lack of social skills he is outstanding when it comes to music. He loves Irish music for some reason and knows all the words to every song he hears - just at once. He only needs to hear them once and thats that. Another thing is that when music is played on the piano he knows exactly what key makes what sound - without being able to play the piano! He's an amazing guy dispite his social handicap.

I recently watched a show on savants and I could put him in that show no problem. He's amazing.

[Agent Equality]

I have pretty much nothing wrong with me and I still consider myself to be smart.

http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/demotivational-posters-r-u-jelly.jpg

[pastradamus]

I have Aspeger's and considered very smart. I am number 1 in my class rank.

Yeah you guys know how to zone-in. There was one guy in my class with aspergers and he got an A in every subject.

[Coggeh]

Being interested in something =/= I.Q

First of all I.Q dosen't really exist, as its kind of inpossible to calculate someone's intelligence level. Yes, i have interest in music/politics/cooking/Philosophy thats why i am good at it, nothing to do with "intelligence" its a common trait of autists to be interested in specific things.

PS- I see you have turned into a Anarchist, nice change...
IQ does exist, IQ in our time remains the best mathematical way to judge overall cognitive ability. And IQ levels are highly indicative of special needs such as Autism etc for the accessor.

[∞]

IQ is bullshit. Take Chris Langan for example. His IQ is reportedly higher than Einstein or even Hawking's. However he is a complete idiot. He has his own non-mathematical unified theory of the universe that a Stanford Professor eloquently said "is bullshit".

Hes also a dick.

yXksaSewCEs

[Azraella]

Without IQ tests you would not have a job, furthermore they are the most extensively applied, regulated and overarchingly useful tests in predicting life success anywhere in the world. Lab work is inherent and important and we find useful and applicable psych lab-based discoveries every single day and while I agree with assertions that the mind is indeed a complex thing, it doesn’t mean we just stop getting quantitative data from it. Qualitative data is for Current Affair shows and charity adverts, the rest of us will use more useful methods.

Just because it's useful does not mean it's perfect either.

[∞]

I got an IQ of 156 so why am I shit in my life?

[The Old Man from Scene 24]

Bullshit. Medical illness don't make you smarter. Pseudo-science bullshit.

I'm Infantile Autist (Social Autism) but most Aspergers i meet are dumbasses with no knowledge and no real diagnosis, just the doctors telling them they are something they even aren't. Fucking posers.

I posted a thread just like the OP's a few months ago.
I have a strong case of Aspergers, and my IQ is 129. You have every right to think that most people with AS are unintelligent, but it is NOT pseudoscience, it has been very much supported in tests that Aspies have a higher average IQ.

People with Aspergers and people who very very likely had aspergers:

Einstein
Bill Gates
Steven Spielberg
Benjamin Franklin
George Washington
Issac Newton
Karl Marx
Henry Thoreau
Thomas Edison
Thomas Jefferson

[The Old Man from Scene 24]

Why are so many people here so hostile towards Aspies?

[∞]

Just the self-diagnosed ones.

[∞]

I posted a thread just like the OP's a few months ago.
I have a strong case of Aspergers, and my IQ is 129. You have every right to think that most people with AS are unintelligent, but it is NOT pseudoscience, it has been very much supported in tests that Aspies have a higher average IQ.

People with Aspergers and people who very very likely had aspergers:

Einstein
Bill Gates
Steven Spielberg
Benjamin Franklin
George Washington
Issac Newton
Karl Marx
Henry Thoreau
Thomas Edison
Thomas Jefferson

None of these people fit the criteria for aspies.


Einstein
Nope. No obsessive behavior.


Bill Gates
Too extroverted, too charming, too funny, understands things like sarcasm.


Steven Spielberg
:confused:


Benjamin Franklin
Maybe at the most, OCD.


George Washington
No intuitive or obsessive behavior.


Issac Newton
That might just very well be true. Although I'd say he just had a massive ego and OCD.


Karl Marx
This guy would get drunk and break street-lamps. Nope.


Henry Thoreau
Too touchy-feely and emotional.


Thomas Edison
He was far too cunning and manipulative to be an aspie. However, Tesla was probably an aspie for he displayed extremely obsessive behavior.


Thomas Jefferson
He was frankly too eloquent and poise to possess something like aspies.

[piet11111]

Einstein not obsessive the guy would lock himself in his garden tool shed and not come out for days completely losing all track of time in the process.

Also getting drunk and destructive is something autists are perfectly capable of doing.

[Comrade Hill]

I have a very severe case of ADHD. Not the hyper active type, but just the in attention type.

I cannot focus at all in college, and I can never sit down to read or to write papers. I also have mild depression.

I take this drug called Strattera and it's a fucking disaster. It makes me sleepy and it makes my attention worse.

My doc tested my IQ and I scored 113. Not very high....I don't think intelligence is correlated with ADHD at all. I always have trouble understanding and processing things.

[Smyg]

Strattera? I'm fairly sure that's what I'm on. Strange stuff. Don't read the warning label's listed bieffects. :D

Made me incredibly sleepy and, I guess, scarily tranquil (everyone commented) the first few weeks, but since then it's been no problem. Been on it for about a year now, and it's really helped I'd say.

[Charlie Watt]

I have dyspraxia, dyslexia, am dyscalculate, and although it was never officially diagnosed, have been told be few people that I exhibited some mild autistic symptoms, presumably AS, although I'm not a doctor so I couldn't tell you for certain. I'm due to see an educational psychologist at the start of the next college year, so I should know for sure by then.

[Coggeh]

None of these people fit the criteria for aspies.

Nope. No obsessive behavior.


Too extroverted, too charming, too funny, understands things like sarcasm.
:confused:

Maybe at the most, OCD.


No intuitive or obsessive behavior.

Aspergers or autism isn't defined by some 10/10 list that all boxes have to be checked in order to be diaganosed which is why the IQ test isn't the stand alone test for autism its also complimented with behaviour assessment to judge the needs and strengths of the person in-question and in some cases one would completely counteract the others results. Some people with autism are complete oppisites to others with autism some sociable some not etc some have completely different needs and abilities. Its not a black and white category.

Also in einsteins case for example (not saying he had Aspergers) but compulsive behavior often goes completely unnoticed it could range from biting a pencil, shaking your hand when anxious, to throwing glasses out the window. The 'criteria' as you put it for most intellectual disorders are extremely difficult to define, which is why you often find someone in your class in school etc who would have one of them them yet never be diagnosed.

[Coggeh]

I have a very severe case of ADHD. Not the hyper active type, but just the in attention type.

I cannot focus at all in college, and I can never sit down to read or to write papers. I also have mild depression.

I take this drug called Strattera and it's a fucking disaster. It makes me sleepy and it makes my attention worse.

My doc tested my IQ and I scored 113. Not very high....I don't think intelligence is correlated with ADHD at all. I always have trouble understanding and processing things.
113 is quite normal. 100-120 is generally accepted as the "normal" results for IQ. Infact you are 10 points ahead of your average national counterparts (assuming you live in the US) who scored 103.41

I might be misunderstanding your post, but if you think your intelligence is damaged by ADHD you need another doc buddy. Your main problem is maintaining focus to work etc something everyone struggles with but greatly more when you have ADHD, Medication does really help when properly prescribed but its best when you use it with pro-active techniques such as maybe changing your college course to a more interesting and stimulating course maybe thats too drastic but approaching work or anything from a different angle in such a way to focus more, behavior modification therapy, behavior therapy, emotional/social therapy...( theirs a billion different names for this) type stuff generally speaking is the most affective way to deal with it i've found.

Also when you said you suffer from mild depression (if not resulting from ADHD) then that can lead onto you portraying the symptoms of it, restlessness, inability or lack of want to do certain tasks which may have lead to a misdiagnoses or also some rare (dispite what hippy anti-medical documentaries tell you) cases have been found that doctors who do not specialize in the area of special needs are misdiagnosing people for want of proper understanding of the patient i.e you, in question maybe a second opinion could help, I dunno im just working on the 4 sentences you've used lol. Hope this helped

[L.A.P.]

Why are we talking about the intelligence quotient test as if it's actually a legitamite measurement of intelligence? It's not.

I'm awaiting my official diagnosis of aspergers so I can't really say I have it yet, but I personally believe I could have it and my pediatrician and family members (who thought I had autism at an early age but were afraid to tell my mother) agree. Honestly, even if I turn out to not have aspergers then at least believing/realizing I have it is tremendously helping me get over my problems with socializing.

[CynicalIdealist]

None of these people fit the criteria for aspies.


Nope. No obsessive behavior.


Too extroverted, too charming, too funny, understands things like sarcasm.


:confused:


Maybe at the most, OCD.


No intuitive or obsessive behavior.


That might just very well be true. Although I'd say he just had a massive ego and OCD.


This guy would get drunk and break street-lamps. Nope.


Too touchy-feely and emotional.


He was far too cunning and manipulative to be an aspie. However, Tesla was probably an aspie for he displayed extremely obsessive behavior.


He was frankly too eloquent and poise to possess something like aspies.

There's an Asperger's spectrum you know.

[Crux]

I used to have ADD. In fact I am sitting with my latest evaluation, from last summer, in front of me now. I have no autism. What i do have is left over ADD problems with my executive functions. Something which does cause me problems, especially in my depressive periods. Therefore I've deicided to start with concerta. I was about to some 3 years ago but, ironically perhaps, just stopped going to meetings. As for your question, no. On the test I am holding in my hand this moment I scored 131. That said I think my ADD has more to do with the fact that I got asphyxiation as a newborn infant, possibly combined with heriditary and social factors. I do not believe it has affected my IQ, positively in any case. Although if I go into academia it will probably help me fullfill the stereotype of the absent minded professor.

[∞]

I used to have ADD. In fact I am sitting with my latest evaluation, from last summer, in front of me now. I have no autism. What i do have is left over ADD problems with my executive functions. Something which does cause me problems, especially in my depressive periods. Therefore I've deicided to start with concerta. I was about to some 3 years ago but, ironically perhaps, just stopped going to meetings. As for your question, no. On the test I am holding in my hand this moment I scored 131. That said I think my ADD has more to do with the fact that I got asphyxiation as a newborn infant, possibly combined with heriditary and social factors. I do not believe it has affected my IQ, positively in any case. Although if I go into academia it will probably help me fullfill the stereotype of the absent minded professor.


Thats weird, I got ADD, and scored a 130. How did you do in school?

[Crux]

Thats weird, I got ADD, and scored a 130. How did you do in school?
pretty average, I skipped a fair bit of school. I found, and still do to some extent, it pretty hard not to go into writers block when it came to writing papers. Tended to get pretty good scores when i actually handed things in though.
It also took me a few years to realize I was not bad at math, just unintrested. How did you do?

[∞]

pretty average, I skipped a fair bit of school. I found, and still do to some extent, it pretty hard not to go into writers block when it came to writing papers. Tended to get pretty good scores when i actually handed things in though.
It also took me a few years to realize I was not bad at math, just unintrested. How did you do?

Math was the only subject I really liked. (Its the only thing I'm studying in college at this moment). I always knew a good deal about history but would never study for the tests, so I'd get C's. Science was easy too, but I'd get frustrated because I'd always feel we'd leave off whenever it got good. English was hell. I can not write an essay if my life depended on it, literature and all this touchy-feely stuff was completely incomprehensible to me. However, I did pretty well on the English questions in the standardized tests.

This is a report card I had in HS.

Calculus AB: A
AP Computer Science: A+
US History:C-
Humanities: B
English 12: D-
Spanish 2: F
Chemistry: B+

I wasn't very well-rounded compared to others. Your experience with school sounds much like mine. That is pretty interesting.

[Crux]

Math was the only subject I really liked. (Its the only thing I'm studying in college at this moment). I always knew a good deal about history but would never study for the tests, so I'd get C's. Science was easy too, but I'd get frustrated because I'd always feel we'd leave off whenever it got good. English was hell. I can not write an essay if my life depended on it, literature and all this touchy-feely stuff was completely incomprehensible to me. However, I did pretty well on the English questions in the standardized tests.

This is a report card I had in HS.

Calculus AB: A
AP Computer Science: A+
US History:C-
Humanities: B
English 12: D-
Spanish 2: F
Chemistry: B+

I wasn't very well-rounded compared to others. Your experience with school sounds much like mine. That is pretty interesting.
yeah, I can relate. I was more a civics kind of person. Actually I had a habit of reading the textbooks all the way through as soon as we got new ones. This whole actually doing stuff block, aka executive problems is part of the reason I am starting with concerta. Not sure if that's the brand name in the us, but it's a amphetamine derivative like the rest of them. This would be the first time using medication for me. Have you got any experience with that?

[∞]

yeah, I can relate. I was more a civics kind of person. Actually I had a habit of reading the textbooks all the way through as soon as we got new ones. This whole actually doing stuff block, aka executive problems is part of the reason I am starting with concerta. Not sure if that's the brand name in the us, but it's a amphetamine derivative like the rest of them. This would be the first time using medication for me. Have you got any experience with that?

I used a drug called intiutiv, its no good. I don't have ADHD and I'm not impulsive just "random". It mellowed me down and I became pretty dull and that creative spark I feel goes away. I define that spark as Extroverted Intuition, and that was gone. It also makes me very sleepy.

Aderol and Ritalin are good to help me study.

[Smyg]

I believe I tested Ritalin, for a brief time. It made me hyper-aggressive instead of just hyper. :lol:

[Il Medico]

I was diagnosed with ADHD when I was six. However, seeing as the symptoms are being hyper and having a short attention span, and I was a six year old kid (pretty standard for a six year old from my experience), I doubt the validity of the diagnosis. I still have some attention span issues (at least with things I find boring) so the diagnosis might not be total bull, but I'm not eager to be re-checked. That diagnosis caused me nothing but problems for most of my childhood as I was far to high functioning to be with kids who were developmentally challenged but my parents and the school still insisted that I still needed 'some special treatment' so I got thrown into the classes for kids with behavioral problems and they were all raging dick holes and I hated all of them.

[Il Medico]

I believe I tested Ritalin, for a brief time. It made me hyper-aggressive instead of just hyper. :lol:
Yeah, I was too. Had the same effect. My parents never gave me medicine for my supposed ADHD afterwards thankfully. However, this also has lead to to a huge aversion to the idea so that they won't even get my brother (who has an extremely serve case of autism) medicine even though he actually really needs it.

[Smyg]

I was diagnosed with ADHD when I was six. However, seeing as the symptoms are being hyper and having a short attention span, and I was a six year old kid (pretty standard for a six year old from my experience), I doubt the validity of the diagnosis. I still have some attention span issues (at least with things I find boring) so the diagnosis might not be total bull, but I'm not eager to be re-checked. That diagnosis caused me nothing but problems for most of my childhood as I was far to high functioning to be with kids who were developmentally challenged but my parents and the school still insisted that I still needed 'some special treatment' so I got thrown into the classes for kids with behavioral problems and they were all raging dick holes and I hated all of them.

Diagnosing ADHD due to just hyperactivity and poor attention spans is a stupid idea, yeah.

[Psy]

Without IQ tests you would not have a job,

None of my employers asked for my IQ test, neither did my collage. They performed their own tests gear towards what they were looking for. Why should employers care about the IQ of a machine, do you care about the IQ of your computer, no all you care about is your computer perform the tasks you ask of it is the same in the relationship between capitalists and workers.



furthermore they are the most extensively applied, regulated and overarchingly useful tests in predicting life success anywhere in the world.

Then why don't employers use them, why do they have their own industry standardized tests to test worker competency for positions and basically ignore IQ tests?



Lab work is inherent and important and we find useful and applicable psych lab-based discoveries every single day and while I agree with assertions that the mind is indeed a complex thing, it doesn’t mean we just stop getting quantitative data from it. Qualitative data is for Current Affair shows and charity adverts, the rest of us will use more useful methods.

Just because it's useful does not mean it's perfect either.
Even with lab technicians they are given industry standardized competency tests not IQ tests because no industry takes IQ tests seriously except those industries dealing with mental health.

[Smyg]

We don't use IQ tests in Sweden, to my knowledge (Outside of elitist groups like MENSA and such, that is). Works just fine.

[Crux]

I was diagnosed with ADHD when I was six. However, seeing as the symptoms are being hyper and having a short attention span, and I was a six year old kid (pretty standard for a six year old from my experience), I doubt the validity of the diagnosis. I still have some attention span issues (at least with things I find boring) so the diagnosis might not be total bull, but I'm not eager to be re-checked. That diagnosis caused me nothing but problems for most of my childhood as I was far to high functioning to be with kids who were developmentally challenged but my parents and the school still insisted that I still needed 'some special treatment' so I got thrown into the classes for kids with behavioral problems and they were all raging dick holes and I hated all of them.
A constant dilemma for me when I was growing up actually, seeing as I wasn't you know, *that* bad. It's difficult when you are in a grey-area where you might need a bit more help, but still don't want to..uhm ride the short bus to school. So to speak.

[Mitchelljohn007]

My sister has manic depression.

I was terrified when she was first diagnosed. She was doing the most bizarre things like climbing on roofs dressed in black bin bags. I had no understanding of mental health and there was no one to talk too. She didn't even recognise me when I went to visit her in hospital but they have been good things to come out of it. It's given me a better understanding of people and that if you go to the local supermarket you'll find that nearly everyone is hiding behind a mental mask.

Since her diagnose, various celebrities have come out as having biopolar. You look at people like Stephen Fry and actually those with these illnesses (calling it what you like) are often the most interesting people in our society.

[MustCrushCapitalism]

http://psychcentral.com/quizzes/bipolarquiz.htm

Only a bit off topic, but do you think these are accurate? I got a 53 on this one.

[Crux]

http://psychcentral.com/quizzes/bipolarquiz.htm

Only a bit off topic, but do you think these are accurate? I got a 53 on this one.
Yes internet tests are the most accurate way to determine mental health issues.

[metal gear]

I believe aspergers and ADHD and simply propagandized means to attack male behavior. I wish I could find the person who made this point, but I cannot. If I do I will attribute credit.

Basically the guy who won't listen is ADHD and the guy who is introverted is Aspergers. That's just a bunch of feminist garbage. No science behind it at all.

A personality trait isn't a medical condition. A medical condition is a link of a personality trait to an underlying biochemical cause. You don't act restless or nerdy because you aren't feeling well.

[RedAnarchist]

I believe aspergers and ADHD and simply propagandized means to attack male behavior.

If it is male behaviour, why are most men not Aspergers/ADHD?
If it is male behaviour, why are most masculine males not Aspergers//ADHD?
If it is male behaviour, can there not be males with Aspergers or ADHD who have feminine personalities or gender identities?


I wish I could find the person who made this point, but I cannot. If I do I will attribute credit.

I wouldn't bother, they sound terribly uneducated.


Basically the guy who won't listen is ADHD and the guy who is introverted is Aspergers. That's just a bunch of feminist garbage. No science behind it at all.

Firstly, how the hell is any of that feminist, or are you just a bitter MRA seeking to put blame on feminism for something?

Secondly, if all introverteds had Aspergers, that would mean between half and a quarter of all men would have Aspergers, and they clearly do not.

[Smyg]

believe aspergers and ADHD and simply propagandized means to attack male behavior. I wish I could find the person who made this point, but I cannot. If I do I will attribute credit.

Basically the guy who won't listen is ADHD and the guy who is introverted is Aspergers. That's just a bunch of feminist garbage. No science behind it at all.

A personality trait isn't a medical condition. A medical condition is a link of a personality trait to an underlying biochemical cause. You don't act restless or nerdy because you aren't feeling well.

As someone with AS and ADHD, I can say that this is stupid beyond belief.

[Sputnik_1]

I've been through quite serious anorexia and depression. That makes me feel kinda stupid. Especially the way I made feel people who care for me.

[Crux]

I believe aspergers and ADHD and simply propagandized means to attack male behavior. I wish I could find the person who made this point, but I cannot. If I do I will attribute credit.

Basically the guy who won't listen is ADHD and the guy who is introverted is Aspergers. That's just a bunch of feminist garbage. No science behind it at all.

A personality trait isn't a medical condition. A medical condition is a link of a personality trait to an underlying biochemical cause. You don't act restless or nerdy because you aren't feeling well.
My spider sense is tingling, telling me you are probably sexist scum.

[RedAnarchist]

I've been through quite serious anorexia and depression. That makes me feel kinda stupid. Especially the way I made feel people who care for me.

You were ill, there's nothing to feel stupid about. Anorexia and depression are very serious illnesses that can make people do and think things that they would not normally do.

[Azraella]

I believe aspergers and ADHD and simply propagandized means to attack male behavior. I wish I could find the person who made this point, but I cannot. If I do I will attribute credit.

Basically the guy who won't listen is ADHD and the guy who is introverted is Aspergers. That's just a bunch of feminist garbage. No science behind it at all.

A personality trait isn't a medical condition. A medical condition is a link of a personality trait to an underlying biochemical cause. You don't act restless or nerdy because you aren't feeling well.


Sexism is really fun. It's like my husband who has ADHD is really being attacked for having a dick and a nutsack. Oh wait, the Asperger's kids I work with, gee, they really aren't introverted! Simplistic understanding of how mental health works is really awesome too.

Sexist and ableist. I love that. Not to mention it's related to some feminist conspiracy!

Ha.

Ha ha.

This is fucking amusing as hell. I have talked to anti-feminist and non-feminist psychologists before that aknowledge that Asperger's and ADHD exists. And it's "feminist garbage". Well played good golly.


I've been through quite serious anorexia and depression. That makes me feel kinda stupid. Especially the way I made feel people who care for me.


You're not stupid. You're human. I have post-partum depression and PTSD, so it even happens to the best of us.

[black magick hustla]

Without IQ tests you would not have a job, furthermore they are the most extensively applied, regulated and overarchingly useful tests in predicting life success anywhere in the world. Lab work is inherent and important and we find useful and applicable psych lab-based discoveries every single day and while I agree with assertions that the mind is indeed a complex thing, it doesn’t mean we just stop getting quantitative data from it. Qualitative data is for Current Affair shows and charity adverts, the rest of us will use more useful methods.

Just because it's useful does not mean it's perfect either.

where do you live, nobody ever asks for iq tests in jobs. i am a fuckin physicist for godsake. do you know iq tests were invented only to know if someone is apt for nromal school? beyond that its mostly bunk. ok gonna visualize the sides of a tetrahedron brb

[Azraella]

where do you live


US.


nobody ever asks for iq tests in jobs.

I have this really bad tendency to get high or drunk before I post sometimes. That's not really what I meant. IQ tests are used in three major ways:

1. IQ test scores are used to test children to determine if they have a learning disability or if they are gifted and should receive more advanced classes. Often, if a child is performed better or worse than expected in school, many teachers and administrators will request that the child takes and IQ test to determine their logical and reasoning capabilities. A low score will often indicate that the child has a learning disability and will provide the parents and teachers with the input needed to provide extra tutoring or special learning environments. A higher score will sometimes lead to the child being placed in advanced classes or even skipping a grade in school.

2. In addition to testing children, IQ tests are used to test adults in many work environments. For a while, the Army used IQ Tests to test potential applicants and many private industry employers also use IQ Tests to help determine which individuals possess the correct skills for a particular role.
Most jobs won't require you to take an IQ test, many do, though.

3. Lastly, many IQ Tests are taken purely for information and entertainment value. Scores are used for comparison with friends and family as well as with the general population. (sometimes a high test score is required to be in groups like the Mensa)



do you know iq tests were invented only to know if someone is apt for nromal school?


Very aware. They recieve much more use now at any rate.



beyond that its mostly bunk.


Frankly, I think IQ is the only way to get reliable data about human intelligence. It is flawed but we still need that type of data in our labs when reserch correlational data and theorize about intelligence. Gardner has a multiple intelligence thoery which is mostly conjecture but it's intriguing and something I think we need to further research.

[black magick hustla]

Frankly, I think IQ is the only way to get reliable data about human intelligence. It is flawed but we still need that type of data in our labs when reserch correlational data and theorize about intelligence. Gardner has a multiple intelligence thoery which is mostly conjecture but it's intriguing and something I think we need to further research.

what is "reliable data" about human intelligence? unfolding a cube in your mind and trying to figure what drawing is in its internal fold? finding synonyms? how many numbers can you crunch in your head?


it reminds me a lot of discussions i had with phyiscists really. a lot of them think they are the smartest because they are good at a particular thing (the deductive/logical reasoning behind physics). therefore their raise their nose at all the other fields, especially fields like psychology. however you ask them about society, politics, or to write a poem, or tell a story, they are idiots.

[Os Cangaceiros]

I don't know, I've never taken an IQ test in my entire school career.

I participated in the "Center for Talented Youth", but that was measured through my high SAT score (when I was 13...perversely I think I scored higher when I was 13 then when I took it as a senior in high school).

[Azraella]

what is "reliable data" about human intelligence? unfolding a cube in your mind and trying to figure what drawing is in its internal fold? finding synonyms? how many numbers can you crunch in your head?

Anything that can give quantifiable number that we can use to survey, compare, and examine and consistently proves to be accurate.




it reminds me a lot of discussions i had with phyiscists really. a lot of them think they are the smartest because they are good at a particular thing (the deductive/logical reasoning behind physics). therefore their raise their nose at all the other fields, especially fields like psychology. however you ask them about society, politics, or to write a poem, or tell a story, they are idiots.


Like I said, I'm pretty open to the idea of multiple forms of intelligence, some are more empathetic than others but aren't incredibly good at logical reasoning, others might be much more creative. Unfortunately psycholgists have not devised a way of measuring things like empathy and creativity so we can compare it with IQ and test the idea. Psychology as a serious scientific discipline is much more recent. That's why people like Freud are considered to be an authority of the discipline to most people(he's not). Psychology as a field is also rapidly changing, new ideas have been repalcing old theories and concepts, some have held up.

In short, I think IQ is just a slice of the picture, but we don't know a lot about the whole picture yet.



I don't know, I've never taken an IQ test in my entire school career.



You're usually tested when you're in pre-school, you might have.

[Kitty_Paine]

I have this really bad tendency to get high or drunk before I post sometimes.

lol thank you

I would up rep you 99 times for this if I could... but I can't... I totally would though...

Just thought you should know :)

[Revolutionary_Marxist]

Just wondering, seeing as many here are intelligent people, or so I'll assume, and I've noticed a link between certain mental disorders and intelligence, does anyone here have any kind of mental disorder? I personally have not been diagnosed, but I'm fairly certain that I do have aspergers.

Beyond that, if you do have a mental disorder that you feel is linked to some kind of superior intelligence, do you believe that the effects of being socially disadvantaged are worth increased intelligence?

Huh do you have any intense interests, a high IQ, or social awkardness? Oh and have aspergers as well, so if you actually do have it you aren't alone. I feel like I have the ability to lead because of my intelligence, and most people respect me for my knowledge in History and the other humanities. Even though this being a leftist forum, everyone is equal so I dont make myself feel like a god amongst men.

[Smashcapitalists]

I have asbergers, high functioning and mild and add I believe. This kid always says I have upside down syndrome. Sure girls dont like and ive never had a girlfriend in my genocide school but i get mad cashing sling dem meds.:cool::cool::cool:

[pastradamus]

I'm awaiting my official diagnosis of aspergers so I can't really say I have it yet, but I personally believe I could have it and my pediatrician and family members (who thought I had autism at an early age but were afraid to tell my mother) agree.

When did you find out this?


Honestly, even if I turn out to not have aspergers then at least believing/realizing I have it is tremendously helping me get over my problems with socializing.

Whatever the results, I can honestly say from where I am that you seem like a pretty good guy and an honest poster into the bargain. I just hope that you get the correct diagnosis and keep this good posting up!

BTW, I know a few lads who were in my year in school that got diagnosed with it and you'd hardly notice anything obscure with them afterwards. Its not the end of the world and its a diagnosis that one can lead a full and decent life with.

[pastradamus]

To develope this issue, guys, we all have our problems and insecurities. By reading this post I get the impression that most here (not all I may add) might be going through tough times in high / secondary school and are coming out second best a lot of the time.

I myself got away with this as I had friends who respected me and I was a boxer whom the rest wouldn't mess with. Nevertheless I was introverted, didn't like too much confrontation and was a bit aloof (many times I preferred my own company). I had a flair for some subjects and didn't care about others that disinterested me. I loved History and English.

I've never been diagnosed with anything and nor do I think there is anything wrong with me. But what I will say to other comrades here is that college got it all out of me. I had a great class, good friends and all of a sudden I became out-reverted. I'd talk all the time, have more confidence and generally have a laugh with people i've never met.

So dont let the high-school years get you down. If you do, you'll rue the day you didn't go to college or some form of third level education where your opinion (and not your status) matter.

[L.A.P.]

When did you find out this?

http://www.revleft.com/vb/have-aspergers-t154974/index.html?t=154974


Whatever the results, I can honestly say from where I am that you seem like a pretty good guy and an honest poster into the bargain. I just hope that you get the correct diagnosis and keep this good posting up!

:D


BTW, I know a few lads who were in my year in school that got diagnosed with it and you'd hardly notice anything obscure with them afterwards. Its not the end of the world and its a diagnosis that one can lead a full and decent life with.

Yeah, like I'm not too worried about it at all, I'm definetely a proponent of the idea that it's just more of a difference than a disorder.

[∞]

Talked to the Psychologist the other day. Apparently I might have ASPD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASPD).
Enough of this shit. If my brain functions on the same level as anyone else, I don't have a mental problem. There seems to be a diagnosis for everybody. Fuck that made-up "disorder", I am completely fine. I'm so sick and tired of people referring to me as "not normal". If I can operate and function in normal society, the amount of empathy and remorse I exhibit shouldn't matter to you. I have friends and am not a serial killer so I'm fine. Fuck you for telling me any different and encouraging me to do things I don't want to do. Never seeing a psychologist or therapist ever again, I am content with who I am tvm.

[Coggeh]

Why are we talking about the intelligence quotient test as if it's actually a legitamite measurement of intelligence? It's not. Yes it is. What it does not measure is acquired learning, i.e one could have much better results in school but still have a lower IQ than one who does poorly, but its a measuring of mental capability, reasoning, spatial awareness etc, what confuses people is the fact that they maybe are smarter than another person with a higher IQ but generally speaking this only occurs in the average iq area.

[L.A.P.]

Yes it is. What it does not measure is acquired learning, i.e one could have much better results in school but still have a lower IQ than one who does poorly, but its a measuring of mental capability, reasoning, spatial awareness etc, what confuses people is the fact that they maybe are smarter than another person with a higher IQ but generally speaking this only occurs in the average iq area.

No, it isn't. Standardized tests don't and really can't accurately measure the abstract intelligence of a person, there are too many things that a person could have a good mental capability in and the intelligence quotient only focuses on a narrow and socially constructed idea of what intelligence is. For example, the very fact that autistic children have been labeled intellectually defficient by the Stanford-Binet test shows how its measure of intelligence is not appropriate for everyone. Even Alfred Binet himself thought it wasn't an effective way of measuring intelligence.