Is Japan America's *****?

[Hawker]

Hey you guys I was talking with this other guy in another forum and when I said that Japan is America's ***** and that America is the #1 terrorist in the world he said to me prove it.Well I've already proven that America is the #1 terrorist in the world but the Japan being America's ***** is still well...I don't have any facts only a few.So can you guys help me out?

[Droes lee]

huh? Japan?
I think that the U.K. is stil the greatest ***** of america...

[UnionofSovietSocialistRepublics]

I agree, UK= mini US

[Hawker]

But don't you guys also agree that Japan is one of the US' *****.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2003, 12:19 PM
But don't you guys also agree that Japan is one of the US' *****.
Yes.

[Hawker]

That's one vote.Can you guys help me with some supporting evidence?

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2003, 12:30 PM
That's one vote.Can you guys help me with some supporting evidence?
Japan's government acts in funtion of the interests of the global capitalist class represented most prominently by the US government.. All actions taken by the government of Japan is evidence of this.

[Intifada]

america's ***** is not the UK. it's blair.

the fact is that blair does not represent the people anymore.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2003, 02:45 PM
the fact is that blair does not represent the people anymore.
Do any capitalist leaders?

[FistFullOfSteel]

USA is a terror state!they have blood on their hands.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by Droes [email protected] 1 2003, 12:41 PM
huh? Japan?
I think that the U.K. is stil the greatest ***** of america...
I can tell your not from the UK are you? We all hate him, we just dislike the oppersition even more. Hardly anyone votes over here anymore.

[Xvall]

Yes.

[Droes lee]

sorry I was mening blair..... :unsure:

Japan's government acts in funtion of the interests of the global capitalist class represented most prominently by the US government.. All actions taken by the government of Japan is evidence of this.
do you mean that the japanese economics turns in the "path" of the capies?

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Originally posted by Droes [email protected] 1 2003, 05:11 PM
sorry I was mening blair..... :unsure:

Japan's government acts in funtion of the interests of the global capitalist class represented most prominently by the US government.. All actions taken by the government of Japan is evidence of this.
do you mean that the japanese economics turns in the "path" of the capies?
yes

[redstar2000]

To say that Japan is "America's *****" (putting aside the misogynist terminology) is probably over-stating the case.

The Japanese were burned pretty badly in their efforts to militarily fight for a colonial empire in Asia...they are not terribly eager to try another roll of the dice in that game.

On the other hand, Japanese corporations fight "tooth-and-nail" if not "fang-and-claw" for market-share throughout the world. They challenge major U.S. corporations and often beat them decisively.

The Japanese capitalists appear to agree that the way Japan can conquer is through economic domination--if you have that, then you don't "need" military power. That's actually a very questionable strategy...but it's worked for them so far, so they'll probably stick with that.

(A footnote: some years ago I read a book that suggested that Japan's "economic miracle" was actually financed by loot and plunder acquired by Japanese corporations during World War II and literally buried until it was "safe" to dig it up and invest it in industry.)

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[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Another way, how Japan made money, is by producing US products under liscence. But I don't know enough of the subject.

Interresting fact in condemning the US for the biggest terrorist state. Just in case you didn't know, the USA is the only country in the world to have been declared a terrorist state by the International Court, during their siege of Nicaragua.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

None of this, comrades, changes the fact that the Japanese government if a tool of capitalism, Japanese and American, as it relies heavily on America for a market for its goods as well as the fact that Japan, or any other country, can't afford to be on bad terms with the US. Being a tool of capitalism also means that the government works in function of the perpetuation of a bourgeoisie-dominated society, meaning that it works in the interest of its big corporations alongside the US. More accurately: for the US.

[Xvall]

Ok. Japan was America's *****. Now it's more of an occasional hooker.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Originally posted by Drake [email protected] 1 2003, 09:26 PM
Ok. Japan was America's *****. Now it's more of an occasional hooker.
Then it's settled.

[Severian]

To a degree they are. The U.S. government is stronger than the Japanese government, obviously, and can pressure the Japanese government to subordinate its own interests to Washington's.

But fundamentally, the Japanese government serves the Japanese capitalist class. Which is a competitor of Washington's. It's made inroads on the U.S. domestic market at times, which the U.S. ain't so pleased about.

If you look at some of the policy discussion coming out of Japan, there's a certain discussion of pursuing Japan's capitalist interests more independently of the U.S....for example, this government policy document. (http://www.kantei.go.jp/foreign/policy/2002/1128tf_e.html)

Which is part of the motivation for joining in U.S. interventions in Iraq and Afghanistan, IMO. Even though these interventions do not serve Tokyo's interests - to the contrary, the Iraq invasion gives Japanese capitalism's primary economic competitor more control over its oil supply. U.S. pressure is part of why the Japanese military is being sent anyway.

But sending troops and warships to join in these operations helps Japan overcome the post-WWII obstacles to using its military forces overseas. If these obstacles can be overcome, Japanese capitalism will be freer to intervene internationally in its own imperial interests.

[Marxist in Nebraska]

First of all, I have to second rs2k's comment--I resent the name of this thread. ***** is a word we would be best off using exclusively to talk about dogs.

Secondly, the UK has been mentioned several times. As Noam Chomsky has said, the UK is essentially the "junior partner" of the US. I would say Japan is also a "junior partner."

[marxstudent]

USA is a terror state!they have blood on their hands.

True but so do all other nations.

...I am not a pro-capitalist, Bush loving American either...

[Severian]

Originally posted by Marxist in [email protected] 2 2003, 06:11 PM
First of all, I have to second rs2k's comment--I resent the name of this thread. ***** is a word we would be best off using exclusively to talk about dogs.

Secondly, the UK has been mentioned several times. As Noam Chomsky has said, the UK is essentially the "junior partner" of the US. I would say Japan is also a "junior partner."
Yes, on both counts. I should have also commented on the sexism of the title.