Mutualism.

[eric922]

I'm just wondering, what is it and why is Mutualism grounds for restriction on these forums? Isn't it a type of anarchist socialism? Wasn't it first conceived by Proudhorn, and isn't he viewed as one of the earliest and most influential anarchist philosophers?

[Tablo]

It is market socialist and yes, it is one of the earliest and more influential anarchist currents even though few support it now days. I think they are restricted for market support.

[Seth]

I was gonna make a thread but then I saw this one, so I'll just ask it here.

What exactly do they advocate? I get the impression mutualism advocates a system entirely of cooperatives in a capitalistic market?

[Tablo]

I was gonna make a thread but then I saw this one, so I'll just ask it here.

What exactly do they advocate? I get the impression mutualism advocates a system entirely of cooperatives in a capitalistic market?
Well, due to the change in labor relations one could argue that the market isn't capitalistic but instead socialistic. What you describe is the very basic idea though. I'm by no stretch knowledgeable on mutualism so hopefully someone else can enlighten you.

[Seth]

Well, due to the change in labor relations one could argue that the market isn't capitalistic but instead socialistic. What you describe is the very basic idea though. I'm by no stretch knowledgeable on mutualism so hopefully someone else can enlighten you.

But a market like that implies conditions that do not exist in socialism. So it is a capitalist system without a capitalist class, so one will either arise quickly or it is impossible.

[Tablo]

But a market like that implies conditions that do not exist in socialism. So it is a capitalist system without a capitalist class, so one will either arise quickly or it is impossible.
And that, I believe, is a major criticism of mutualism and part of the reason why they have so few supporters.

[Seth]

So should it be considered a branch of anarcho-capitalism or libertarianism, or maybe a market-based third positionist ideology along with distributism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributism), instead of a branch of socialism?

[Travis Bickle]

And that, I believe, is a major criticism of mutualism and part of the reason why they have so few supporters.
Mutualism is not a system. Mutualists employ methods of reciprocity. Workers cooperatives are one method for cooperation among mutualists. Communism is another method. Its quite flexible. The movement for mutual interest free banking is mutualist without the people themselves being aware of it. Mutualism is naturally occuring in many places.

Karl Marx did everything to ruin what the mutualist international workingmens organization had started. Why Marx hijacked the project and relocated it to the US. Mutualist labour theory of value reveals labour is exploited under various other forms of socialism. Labour does not get its full return. Most other re-distributive socialists fear this powerfull doctrine once it is rooted in the workers mindset. This I think is why other socialists detest/fear the mutualists.

[adslbas06]

this is important!

[anarcho-communist4]

So should it be considered a branch of anarcho-capitalism or libertarianism, or maybe a market-based third positionist ideology along with distributism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributism), instead of a branch of socialism?

Anarcho-capitalism is an oxymoron.