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Hawker
1st November 2003, 02:32
The biggest disgrace to communism to me is that they use violence not word to spread the idea of communism and their methods are cruel and violent.When will they know that the people must liberate themselves not the liberators.Here is bio of them.

Japanese Red Army (JRA)

FORMED

1969

STATED POLICY/AIMS/IDEOLOGY

foreign based, transnational, leftist terrorist organization of
Japanese radicals; Support the worldwide Marxist-Leninist
revolution by conducting acts of terrorism; Oppose the imperialist
Japanese government; Serve as a uniting force for leftist anarchist
organizations in Japan; Establish a Socialist People's Republic in
Japan.

HEADQUARTERS

Bekka'a Valley, Lebanon

AREAS OF OPERATIONS

Middle East in Bekka'a Valley, Damascus, Libya,
Pakistan/Afghanistan, Western Europe, France, Germany, Japan.

STRUCTURE

Currently divided into two main groups, the Middle East group (led
by Shigenobu), and the North Korean group (completely controlled
by North Korean intelligence).

SIZE OF GROUP

80-100 (30 in Bekka'a and Damascus, 15 in Libya, five in
Pakistan/Afghanistan-area, 30-50 in North Korea).

FUNDING SOURCES

receive or have received considerable training and/or funds from
Iran, Libya, North Korea, Syria, and former eastern-bloc countries;
Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine and other Palestinian
factions; support and fund-raising apparatus in Japan.

NETWORK CONTACTS

Hizbollah, Iranian intelligence, Libyan intelligence, North Korean
intelligence, Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP),
Red Brigades (RB), Syrian intelligence.

SIGNIFICANT ACTIVITIES

1969
November - Japanese authorities storm a JRA safehouse and arrest
53 members who were planning a suicide attack on the prime
minister's residence. 1972
February - Japanese police searching for JRA training grounds in
the mountains north of Tokyo discover 14 dead bodies in the snow.
All are JRA members tortured or strangled by their comrades due to
an ideological or tactical conflict.

May - three members attack Lod Airport in Tel Aviv with grenades
and machine-guns, killing 26 and wounding 78 in a joint
JRA/PFLP operation.

1973
July - JRA member leads four PFLP guerrillas in hijacking a JAL
flight in Amsterdam, ordering the flight to Libya, where all
passengers and crew are released. The five then blow up the plane,
but one PFLP guerrilla is accidentally killed. 1974
August - Attack the Mitsubishi Heavy Industries in Tokyo, killing
eight and wounding 264. 1977
September - Five members hijack Japanese airliner in Bombay and
force it to land in Dhaka, Bangladesh. Japanese government agrees
to release six imprisoned criminals, 3 of whom were unconnected
to any radical cause, and pay $6 million in exchange for 159
hostages. Payment is made, six prisoners are released, and hijackers
are flown to Algeria. 1988
April - Responsible for bombing USO club in Naples, killing five
(one American).

TRENDS

Growing connections with Iranian/Hizbollah cadres is worrying.

Claimed to have disbanded, but individuals still appear to be active.
Apparently have formed, or are in the process of forming, cells in
Asian cities. Membership is not getting any younger: must recruit
several young members as quickly as possible.

Cadre in North Korea have set up the Japan-North Korea Travel
Organization for Japanese tourists in Pyongyang. This group works
with the Tokyo-based Choson (Korea) Travel Club.

Excerpted from Jeffrey A. Builta's Extremist Groups: A
Compilation of Terrorist Organizations, Violent Political Groups,
and Issue-Oriented Militant Movements, published by OICJ
Publications.

Al Creed
1st November 2003, 03:17
No one ever told them the pen is mightier than the sword...

stonerboi
1st November 2003, 03:44
Actually the use of arms is totally supported by both Marxist theory and Marxist history.

The Great Proletarian Revolution in Russia/November 1917, used weapons and some violence and if they didn't there would of been NO socialism in Russia.

Comrade Enver Hoxha wrote a very good essay/pamphlet on the concept of the 'people's war', an idea originally made by Comrade Mao. Comrade Hoxha said that the 'people's war' could be BOTH urban and rural and he said this because unlike Mao, Hoxha was thinking in terms of waging 'people's war' in Western European countries like Italy and France.

It is a well known fact that capitlalism will NEVER give up peacefully and that blood WILL have to be spilled. It is our duty as communists to ensure that the blood that is spilled is the blood of the capitalists and not the workers and oppressed peoples.

Revionists/opportunists/reformists all argue that capitalists will listen to dialogue. What rubbish, look what happened to Allende in Chile in 1973. Allende was overthrown due to the revisionist nature of his government and that reformist revisionist socialism can never disable the istruments of capitalist oppression like the armed forces and so this is what allowed the likes of General Pinochet come to power.

Non-Sectarian Bastard!
1st November 2003, 12:19
Yeah, but the use of arms is only effective when a big part of the population supports you. Most people don't support the Marxist cause and see these acts as pure terrorism. Their actions are only working against the communist revolution.

Saint-Just
1st November 2003, 14:04
Of course they know the value of words. Obviously the west will label them as terrorists. I wouldn't be so quick to believe that they are simply enthusiasists of violence. Of course it is important that there are people such as this who will take action.

the use of arms is only effective when a big part of the population supports you

Armed struggle can be effective in many ways. The Cuban revolution was started by only a handful of people, however they raised awareness and used armed struggle to gain victory. Revolutions everywhere have been started by a few people who have not had popular support. The Leninist doctrine is to raise the consciousness of the worker's, not to begin an armed struggle once they have become class conscious themselves.

MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr
1st November 2003, 15:43
I strongly support the Japanese Red Army. My philosophy is that actions speak for themselves, and I feel that their struggle is legitamate, however feeble it may be. I am glad that someone is willing to take up arms against the capitalists, regardless of the odds. Someone needs to give these capitalists what is coming to them. I don't see this as terrorism, but as coordinated struggle against some of the most corrupt capitalist/imperialist institutions in existance. I agree with Chairman Mao on the philosophy that armed struggle my a handful of people will raise class awareness and gain support of the masses.

Hawker
1st November 2003, 16:18
Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2003, 04:43 PM
I strongly support the Japanese Red Army. My philosophy is that actions speak for themselves, and I feel that their struggle is legitamate, however feeble it may be. I am glad that someone is willing to take up arms against the capitalists, regardless of the odds. Someone needs to give these capitalists what is coming to them. I don't see this as terrorism, but as coordinated struggle against some of the most corrupt capitalist/imperialist institutions in existance. I agree with Chairman Mao on the philosophy that armed struggle my a handful of people will raise class awareness and gain support of the masses.
Chairman Mao was wrong about a lot of stuff.The only way to raise people's awareness is by words not violence.Haven't you heard the old revolutionary saying"The liberators will not liberatre the people,but the people will liberate themselves."

Dr. Rosenpenis
1st November 2003, 16:27
Violence against capitalist oposition is absolutely justified. We can't bring about socialism while always appeasing to those who have the class interests of the bourgeoisie in mind. You're not a true communist if you think that by acting in function of the emancipation of the working class, we will somehow not conquer their support. I don't know much about this organization, but waiting around while the capitalist class further abolishes the freedom of the people will never bring us closer to revolution. For classless society to exist, the working class must first be brought to power by a communist party. They will never take it upon themselves to attain freedom from capitalism. Those who have their interests in mind must aquire power first in order to free the proletariat and make it a ruling class.

Non-Sectarian Bastard!
1st November 2003, 16:42
Originally posted by Hawker+Nov 1 2003, 05:18 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Hawker @ Nov 1 2003, 05:18 PM)
[email protected] 1 2003, 04:43 PM
I strongly support the Japanese Red Army. My philosophy is that actions speak for themselves, and I feel that their struggle is legitamate, however feeble it may be. I am glad that someone is willing to take up arms against the capitalists, regardless of the odds. Someone needs to give these capitalists what is coming to them. I don&#39;t see this as terrorism, but as coordinated struggle against some of the most corrupt capitalist/imperialist institutions in existance. I agree with Chairman Mao on the philosophy that armed struggle my a handful of people will raise class awareness and gain support of the masses.
Chairman Mao was wrong about a lot of stuff.The only way to raise people&#39;s awareness is by words not violence.Haven&#39;t you heard the old revolutionary saying"The liberators will not liberatre the people,but the people will liberate themselves."[/b]
It&#39;s I don&#39;t liberate people, people liberate themself - Ernesto "Che" Guevera

CM - I suppose you&#39;re right. But..

most people believe that they are living a pretty good live. Especially in some area&#39;s of their operations(Western Europe). The RAF, N 17, RB&#39;s and other groups have tried it before in Europe. It only showed that the European proletariat is highly reactionary. They don&#39;t see a logical explanation for these deeds and classify them as pure terrorist. The western proletariaat isn&#39;t conscious. This phase has to be done by the pen and not the sword.

I am not against armed struggle. It can be succesfull in poor area&#39;s, like India. But the proletariat does need some conscious, par example an armed struggle in the poor South of the US would have no succes. The general tought there, altough that they are very poor and the riches very rich is What&#39;s good for business, is good for us all

Dr. Rosenpenis
1st November 2003, 16:47
Originally posted by Non-Sectarian Bastard&#33;+Nov 1 2003, 12:42 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Non-Sectarian Bastard&#33; @ Nov 1 2003, 12:42 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2003, 05:18 PM

[email protected] 1 2003, 04:43 PM
I strongly support the Japanese Red Army. My philosophy is that actions speak for themselves, and I feel that their struggle is legitamate, however feeble it may be. I am glad that someone is willing to take up arms against the capitalists, regardless of the odds. Someone needs to give these capitalists what is coming to them. I don&#39;t see this as terrorism, but as coordinated struggle against some of the most corrupt capitalist/imperialist institutions in existance. I agree with Chairman Mao on the philosophy that armed struggle my a handful of people will raise class awareness and gain support of the masses.
Chairman Mao was wrong about a lot of stuff.The only way to raise people&#39;s awareness is by words not violence.Haven&#39;t you heard the old revolutionary saying"The liberators will not liberatre the people,but the people will liberate themselves."
It&#39;s I don&#39;t liberate people, people liberate themself - Ernesto "Che" Guevera

CM - I suppose you&#39;re right. But..

most people believe that they are living a pretty good live. Especially in some area&#39;s of their operations(Western Europe). The RAF, N 17, RB&#39;s and other groups have tried it before in Europe. It only showed that the European proletariat is highly reactionary. They don&#39;t see a logical explanation for these deeds and classify them as pure terrorist. The western proletariaat isn&#39;t conscious. This phase has to be done by the pen and not the sword.

I am not against armed struggle. It can be succesfull in poor area&#39;s, like India. But the proletariat does need some conscious, par example an armed struggle in the poor South of the US would have no succes. The general tought there, altough that they are very poor and the riches very rich is What&#39;s good for business, is good for us all [/b]
Most people in the world are living in misery and know it.
Once they are liberated from the bloody shackles of imperialism, the middle class of the first world will consequently fall to communsit revolution.

Non-Sectarian Bastard!
1st November 2003, 17:01
The hard thing is that there are not numbers of how many feel oppressed/exploited.

I saw on tv recently an US family living with 5 people in a "cottage" made of dump. The journalist asked, don&#39;t you feel exploited? No, we are patriots and if the economy goes better we will be able to buy a nice house. :S Yet on the other hand, we from Che-lives are conscious and are rich enough to buy pc&#39;s.

But I mentioned India on porpuse, because Marxist Geurilla&#39;s control there some area&#39;s and the locals support them. But you could say in general that the armed struggle have a much bigger impact in poor area&#39;s then in rich.

Dr. Rosenpenis
1st November 2003, 17:03
As soon as the unconcious worker sees what we are trying to do, they&#39;ll join us.
It&#39;s no mystery that even in America, the poor are generaly more leftist than the rich.

Saint-Just
1st November 2003, 17:46
CM - I suppose you&#39;re right. But..

most people believe that they are living a pretty good live.

I understand what you are saying here, and I agree with it. I too am pessemistic about socialist victories in the present world. I believe what Mao said to be true, that people are strong enough to defeat imperialism. But, the state of many nations is such that this does not look as though this will be realised. What I was saying is that there is a purpose to armed struggle, although the prospects of its success, I agree, are bleak.

You could say that movements such as the JRA are not worth it since the current circumstances do not even remotely invite its success. However, I think it is important that movements such as this are started to that they may carry on into more viable times for their success in the future. And, so that we may see armed struggle, however small, now. There exists such individuals as those in RAF who see it as a worthy cause at any time, and any place in the world:

Everyone dies sometime... Question is only, how you lived, and the issue is pretty clear - fighting against the pigs as a human being for the liberation of human beings - Revolutionary, fighting - in spite of your love for life - despising death. That is, for me: serving the people.&#39;

Although when you look at the world as a whole, not just first world nations &#39;Most people in the world are living in misery and know it.&#39; as Victorcommie says.

But you could say in general that the armed struggle have a much bigger impact in poor area&#39;s then in rich.

That is a useful observation, but I think groups such as the JRA are relatively small and so it does not make much difference, they would advance the movement greatly in developing nations whilst here they provide a foundation for a big movement.

"The liberators will not liberatre the people,but the people will liberate themselves."

Yes, but people like Mao Zedong have said such things, but he says although leaders don&#39;t liberate people they make liberation possible. As Victorcommie and Midnightmurauder have said it takes people to raise consciousness and then the power to liberate will come from the oppressed mass of people who want their own liberation.

Non-Sectarian Bastard!
1st November 2003, 23:32
That is a useful observation, but I think groups such as the JRA are relatively small and so it does not make much difference, they would advance the movement greatly in developing nations whilst here they provide a foundation for a big movement.

It&#39;s true that the impact of groups such as JRA are very small and don&#39;t make a big difference. We see that these sort of groups aren&#39;t big, often not bigger then 20 men. However their limited contact with the public, (to explain their points of view) and the fact that the bourgeoisie is overexagerating (?) the "dark" facts and making some up, makes that the public gets to hate leftism, communism and actually stop listening to everything that calls itself communist. That&#39;s why armed struggle shouldn&#39;t be used in onconscious area&#39;s.

But I am not against groups like JRA. Like you said they can built a fundament for a big movement and they should use armed struggle in conscious area&#39;s.


"The liberators will not liberatre the people,but the people will liberate themselves."

Yes, but people like Mao Zedong have said such things, but he says although leaders don&#39;t liberate people they make liberation possible. As Victorcommie and Midnightmurauder have said it takes people to raise consciousness and then the power to liberate will come from the oppressed mass of people who want their own liberation.

I fully agree, except the says although leaders don&#39;t . The word leaders, I am not sure what you mean with it.

Furthermore I think we have an understanding :) :cool:

Xvall
2nd November 2003, 01:24
I need to do more research on these guys. Keep in mind that Novermber 17 was also labeled a &#39;Terrorist Orginization&#39;.

Don't Change Your Name
2nd November 2003, 18:53
That bio seems to be taken from a yanqui source.

I dont think many leftists groups would be related with fundamentalist muslims, but those yanquis use that imaginary link to scare their people and make them against them.

REDWARRIOR
2nd November 2003, 23:23
They seem to have an idea. The pen can be mightier than the sword, but it is with eth gun we make the largest changes. Since when lately has words stopped anything, look at Iraq and the UN. Yes the masses must suppourt you, but if a country is in termoil a few terrorist can destablize it and bring about riots which can lead to a change. Remeber the general population have been trained by the Governments mainly the us to hate communism, comparing it to Nazism and other bullshit like that. Do you really thing preachin commuinsm is gonna make a change? Most people will not listen and are too lazy and unmotivate to be proactive in politics and what runs their country. People are trapped in a 9-5 job making 100k a year BMW driving little private world. Plus governments can easily counteract communist ideas by using the police, their uniformed terrorist to stop the revolutionaries, no matter how peacefull, they ahve just turned the tides. While i don&#39;t agree with them aliancing themselves with muslim terrorist groups, as the muslim radicals are a danger to communism as it is a western anti-islamic system, i have to have respect as they actually have an organization that can offer something unlike the rest of us who only have ideas and visions, or maybe have small groups but no funding or weapons.

Hawker
3rd November 2003, 00:41
Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2003, 12:23 AM
They seem to have an idea. The pen can be mightier than the sword, but it is with eth gun we make the largest changes. Since when lately has words stopped anything, look at Iraq and the UN. Yes the masses must suppourt you, but if a country is in termoil a few terrorist can destablize it and bring about riots which can lead to a change. Remeber the general population have been trained by the Governments mainly the us to hate communism, comparing it to Nazism and other bullshit like that. Do you really thing preachin commuinsm is gonna make a change? Most people will not listen and are too lazy and unmotivate to be proactive in politics and what runs their country. People are trapped in a 9-5 job making 100k a year BMW driving little private world. Plus governments can easily counteract communist ideas by using the police, their uniformed terrorist to stop the revolutionaries, no matter how peacefull, they ahve just turned the tides. While i don&#39;t agree with them aliancing themselves with muslim terrorist groups, as the muslim radicals are a danger to communism as it is a western anti-islamic system, i have to have respect as they actually have an organization that can offer something unlike the rest of us who only have ideas and visions, or maybe have small groups but no funding or weapons.
Your words are true,but we have to keep trying.We have to make martyrs for the cause.I&#39;m ready to give my life for communism are you?

REDWARRIOR
6th November 2003, 21:00
Of course

Xvall
6th November 2003, 21:12
Keep in mind, that there is av ery big diffirence between &#39;sacrifice&#39; and &#39;non-self inflicted suicide&#39;. They are not one and the same, and &#39;sacrifice&#39; simply for the sake of &#39;sacrifice&#39; isn&#39;t &#39;sacrifice&#39; at all. It is a waste.

Iepilei
7th November 2003, 18:58
There is a difference between an attack on the bourgeoise and an attack on the proletariat. The workers should be part of the revolutionary struggle, not to be used as bartering chips.

"You&#39;re going to be a part of a great struggle&#33; This is only a step in all of your liberations&#33;" only makes you sound like a fucking nut-job. Fundamentalists use similar lines when they take captives in abortion clinics or on buses or wherever the hell they get their rocks off. You can&#39;t teach people jack when they&#39;re scared - or when you&#39;ve gathered reputation for being "psychotic" or "terroristic."

If you have a desire to affect capitalism through such means, don&#39;t involve innocents. Take the agression directly to the capitalists. Sabotage affects the market. False panics and hoaxes. Compromise of importance information; credit cards, bank accounts, statements, etc. Hell, if you&#39;re so inclined - take the violence to their doorstep.

"You know what makes a human being decent? Fear, and therein lies the problem. None of you have anything left to fear, anymore. You sit here in seats of inscrutible power, far from judgement. Lives shrouded in secrecy, even from one another."

YKTMX
10th November 2003, 18:28
Typical crazy bollocks.