Free-Market Southern States

[RichardAWilson]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_unemployment_rate

Free-Market Southern States have high jobless rates.

South Carolina, Florida, Alabama and Georgia lead the listing.

Northeastern "Liberal States," such as New York and Maryland, are closer to the bottom.

Piss Down Economics isn't working for the South :cool: Surprise. Surprise.

No surprise here: More Southerners are receiving federal assistance than Northerners.

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/maps_and_graphs/2009/04/30/US_FOODSTAMPS_web.gif

The reason? Poverty rates in the South are much higher than in the Northeastern United States.


Mississippi 18.1%
Delaware 9.6%


Georgia 15.5%
Virginia 10.3%



Florida 13.1%
Pennsylvania 11.0%


The Northeastern United States, with progressive state income taxation, closed-shops and labor unionism, is much more prosperous and wealthier than the Southeastern United States. So much for the Republican Case that Northeastern Liberalism is ruining America and we need Tea Party Southerners, such as Rick Perry, to save us.

[The Jay]

Trickle down economics was the worst thing to happen to the working class since feudalism.

[Bud Struggle]

There is little to no industry in the South. Do you think that might have something to do with it? No big time industrial Capitalists. Put up a graph of where most industries put up businesses--just to get a better perspective.

How about this:

The USA has almost as many millionires as Norway has people!

http://www2.chinadaily.com.cn/bizchina/images/attachement/jpg/site1/20071129/001aa018f83f08b8644b02.jpg


I wonder what our representitive of the Norwegian Tourist Bureau has to say about that! :D

[RichardAWilson]

How can that be? Florida doesn't have a state income tax! You'd think our economy would be booming. After all, we have all the rich retired Wall Street Bankers living in Palm Beach and Sarasota. Oh wait... Since they're not taxed, they don't contribute a damn thing.

[RichardAWilson]

Those numbers were from 2007. You might should provide an updated version considering housing prices have collapsed. (Most of those "millionaires" were millionaires because of the housing bubble and are no longer millionaires).

Meanwhile, the Germans now have more millionaires and the Japanese figure should be the same.

[Bud Struggle]

Those numbers were from 2007. You might should provide an updated version considering housing prices have collapsed. (Most of those "millionaires" were millionaires because of the housing bubble and are no longer millionaires).

Meanwhile, the Germans now have more millionaires and the Japanese figure should be the same.

The point is you can't compare "botique" countries like Norway to large complicated industrial countries like the USA.

Hell, cut the numbers in half, by 10, Norway still wouldn't be on the list.

It's a succssful backwater--nothing more.

By the way--your graph showed a couple of states---SHOW THEM ALL so we can get a real picture.

[Metacomet]

There is little to no industry in the South. Do you think that might have something to do with it? No big time industrial Capitalists. Put up a graph of where most industries put up businesses--just to get a better perspective.

How about this:

The USA has almost as many millionires as Norway has people!

http://www2.chinadaily.com.cn/bizchina/images/attachement/jpg/site1/20071129/001aa018f83f08b8644b02.jpg


I wonder what our representitive of the Norwegian Tourist Bureau has to say about that! :D

We don't have any industry up here either buddy.

[Bud Struggle]

We don't have any industry up here either buddy.

Actually you have a very high end computer world up there. That being said--Massachusetts is similar in a lot ways to Norway. Same amount of people.

That's the comparison we should make, thanks Metacomet!

You are a pal.

[Metacomet]

Actually you have a very high end computer world up there. That being said--Massachusetts is similar in a lot ways to Norway. Same amount of people.

That's the comparison we should make, thanks Metacomet!

You are a pal.

Like most places our largest "industry" is service, our version of industry requires a PHD to work in. Then of course we do have a large amount of workers in medical and education, maybe the south should try some of that. :rolleyes:

[Tablo]

The south has industry. Wtf are you guys talking about?

[Os Cangaceiros]

http://www.southernautocorridor.com/

[Robert]

Then of course we do have a large amount of workers in medical and education, maybe the south should try some of that.We'uns down south doan need no schoolin' to learn frog giggin', chawin', spittin', home remedies, cookin' moonshine an' burnin' crosses. We learnt it all from our pappies and they pappies afore them!

You jess stay up nawth with ye fancy talk and ye fancy ways!

[kapitalyst]

The North has always had a large population and larger industry, long before any of these policies you credit existed. That was one of the major reasons the south lost the Civil War.

The funny thing is, no one can explain the mechanism of how these policies allegedly create prosperity... :rolleyes:

[RichardAWilson]

The North has industry. Riding through Richmond, Virginia, I noticed a number of Fortune 500 Companies (Phillip Morris, Lockheed Martin, General Dynamics, Capital One, etc.)

Yes, the North has less than it once did. It still has much more than the South, even with our low tax rates, lax labor standards and a total lack of trade and labor unions. You'd think Alabama and Georgia would be an Industrial and Commercial Mecca.

[kapitalyst]

The North has industry. Riding through Richmond, Virginia, I noticed a number of Fortune 500 Companies (Phillip Morris, Lockheed Martin, General Dynamics, Capital One, etc.)

Yes, the North has less than it once did. It still has much more than the South, even with our low tax rates, lax labor standards and a total lack of trade and labor unions. You'd think Alabama and Georgia would be an Industrial and Commercial Mecca.

Sort of like Texas -- a technology and industry mecca with no income tax? :lol:

[RGacky3]

There is little to no industry in the South. Do you think that might have something to do with it? No big time industrial Capitalists. Put up a graph of where most industries put up businesses--just to get a better perspective.


A: There is industry in the south.
B: Could be the bad free market policy.

C: This is juts one more fact, one more statistic after tons and tons that point out the obvious, free market capitalism does'nt work.


I wonder what our representitive of the Norwegian Tourist Bureau has to say about that! :D

Nothing because it has nothing to do with what we are talking about.


The point is you can't compare "botique" countries like Norway to large complicated industrial countries like the USA.

Hell, cut the numbers in half, by 10, Norway still wouldn't be on the list.

It's a succssful backwater--nothing more.

By the way--your graph showed a couple of states---SHOW THEM ALL so we can get a real picture.

This is'nt about Norway, if you doubt the statistics and the corrolation to the policies, then find some other ones that show otherwise.

[RGacky3]

Sort of like Texas -- a technology and industry mecca with no income tax? :lol:

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2011/08/13/opinion/081311krugman3/081311krugman3-blog480.jpg

Texas' unemployment is'nt below average.

So why were there a ton of jobs made?

http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/fredgraph3.png

But your right, Texas attracts a lot of industry, and I'll agree with you and attribute it to pro-buisiness low tax policy, like China, but also like China, workers make less money, the median hourly income was $1.30 below the rest of the country (http://www.americanindependent.com/189048/wsj-lauds-texas-economy-marked-by-jobs-including-a-lot-of-low-paying-ones).

But you know what I agree that free market economics is smart if you want your country to be an export sweat shop.

[The Teacher]

This proves that free market capitalism works!

The whole idea is to increase poverty and unemployment. Look at it from their point of view, its not a shortage of jobs, its a labor surplus. A surplus keeps wages low. Low wages keep profits high.

No capitalist actually wants unemployment to go down, that would be terrible for them.

[DeBon]

Coming from a Southerner, I can say the wealth gap here is tremendous where I live. You're either in a mansion, or the projects. Only people in with the oil business get the nice fair sized homes.

[RichardAWilson]

It's the same here in Florida:) You're either an old and retired Northerner driving a Cadillac and living in a beach condo, or you're a poor working class Floridian serving the old retired Northerners.


P.S. Which is the reason that as soon as I'm through with college, I'm moving back to Pennsylvania. I may even move to Virginia.

[Revolution starts with U]

The North has always had a large population and larger industry, long before any of these policies you credit existed. That was one of the major reasons the south lost the Civil War.

The funny thing is, no one can explain the mechanism of how these policies allegedly create prosperity... :rolleyes:

Apples have always fallen off trees, and planets rotate the sun, long before any of these theories you propose existed.
The funny thing is, no one can explain the mechanism of how these bits of matter allegedly attract each other... :rolleyes: (and we can't. We know what gravity is. We have no idea how gravity works.)

First you find the data, then you let it give you a theory. Doing it the other way around (mainstream economics basically operates like this, but AE expressly writes it into their methodology) is bound for failure.

[thefinalmarch]

Trickle down economics was the worst thing to happen to the working class since feudalism.
The working class doesn't exist in a feudal mode of production. This doesn't even make any sense.

[aristos]

There is little to no industry in the South. Do you think that might have something to do with it? No big time industrial Capitalists. Put up a graph of where most industries put up businesses--just to get a better perspective.

How about this:

The USA has almost as many millionires as Norway has people!

http://www2.chinadaily.com.cn/bizchina/images/attachement/jpg/site1/20071129/001aa018f83f08b8644b02.jpg


I wonder what our representitive of the Norwegian Tourist Bureau has to say about that! :D


Hm, whats this:

http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article1881847.ece

http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2007/jul/13/business.internationalnews

[Judicator]

The reason? Poverty rates in the South are much higher than in the Northeastern United States.

I think you have it backwards. Unemployment causes poverty, not the other way around.

If poverty caused unemployment, Texas would have a relatively high unemployment rate. It doesn't.

[CommunityBeliever]

I think you have it backwards. Unemployment causes poverty, not the other way around.

If poverty caused unemployment, Texas would have a relatively high unemployment rate. It doesn't. Capitalism causes both unemployment and poverty.

The capitalists own the means of production, and they use it to hoard the wealth it produces, leading to poverty, and when their means of production is improved, that puts people out of work, leading to unemployment.

[RichardAWilson]

I think you have it backwards. Unemployment causes poverty, not the other way around.

If poverty caused unemployment, Texas would have a relatively high unemployment rate. It doesn't.


Joblessness doesn't cause poverty. Yes, it contributes to poverty. However, some states have low-paying jobs (I.e. Working Poverty). Texas has an "average" jobless rate that is aligned with states like Pennsylvania. Nonetheless, Texas has a much higher poverty rate than Pennsylvania.

Furthermore, I said a state's reliance on federal assistance, which is much higher in South, is tied to poverty.

I never said a state's poverty was the reason behind a state's joblessness.