Ukraine burning strays alive..

[Yugo45]

Appereantly, Ukraine authorities are burning strays alive... So their city looks "clean" for some dodgy championship. This is just revolting..

http://news.kievukraine.info/2011/10/stop-ukraine-from-burning-animals-alive.html

[PC LOAD LETTER]

Animal cruelty is something that gets no response from me short of fiery rage.

Grrrr

[Volcanicity]

Terrible as this is and obviously something needs to be done to put a stop to this,but I have to ask how much of a problem is homelessness amongst the human population of the Ukraine and what's going to be happening to them?

[khad]

Started interested, then saw the comments, read the author profile, saw the mail-order bride link.

Stopped caring. There are far bigger problems with Ukrainian society that need attention over wanting to appear presentable to the Western arbiters of civilization.


This is a barbaric treatment of animals and it shows how cruel and evil Ukrainians can be to do such monstrous things to God's living creatures. Ukraine does not deserve the right to be considered for membership in the EU until it becomes a civilized country. The world community should boycott the EURO 2012 games in Ukraine.

I have seen some terrible things while I lived in Ukraine. But this practice of killing animals is sick and utterly disgusting.

[manic expression]

Absolutely sick...the people responsible should be *********************

[Who?]

why don't they just eat them?

[Yugo45]

Terrible as this is and obviously something needs to be done to put a stop to this,but I have to ask how much of a problem is homelessness amongst the human population of the Ukraine and what's going to be happening to them?

I really fail to see how that is connected at all.. It's not like burning strays helps the homeless in any way.

You're basically saying that just because there is another problem, all other problems are ignorable and aren't worth our attention.

[OHumanista]

Quite revolting indeed and should be stopped.
And I don't have to agree with the author on everything to agree that this is atrocious.

[GatesofLenin]

Is this for the upcoming Euro2012 soccer tourney? Wait until word spreads of this cruelty, oh oh...

[Property Is Robbery]

You won't get much sympathy on this forum for animals. Most people on here don't give a fuck that other beings can feel pain and suffering.

[PC LOAD LETTER]

You won't get much sympathy on this forum for animals. Most people on here don't give a fuck that other beings can feel pain and suffering.
I must be one of those 'weird' ones that does care.:(

[Tablo]

It isn't that people here don't care. People here just don't raise the issue to the same level as the problems humans are suffering, which I myself feel are much more important than other animals.

[Volcanicity]

You're basically saying that just because there is another problem, all other problems are ignorable and aren't worth our attention.

No,I'm saying homelessness amongst the human population is a more important problem that needs to be addressed in the Ukraine rather than what happens to a few stray animals.

I've already said that something needs to be done about this,but It seems to me that more people get worked up over fluffy little animals than actual human beings.

[Os Cangaceiros]

why don't they just eat them?

aaah you beat me to it, you bastard

[piet11111]

That does sound horrible.

While i can see the need to get rid of these stray animals there must be more humane ways to do so then burning them alive.

[manic expression]

That does sound horrible.

While i can see the need to get rid of these stray animals there must be more humane ways to do so then burning them alive.
There are tons of ways to "get rid" of the animals humanely. Even if they had to kill them, they could put them to sleep...but that costs extra money and capitalists hate that.

I can't help but think that this isn't that far a step from already-instituted bourgeois policies of slaughtering the homeless.

[tir1944]

Just saying,Ukraine has thousands abandoned and homeless street-children...

[PC LOAD LETTER]

There are tons of ways to "get rid" of the animals humanely. Even if they had to kill them, they could put them to sleep...but that costs extra money and capitalists hate that.

I can't help but think that this isn't that far a step from already-instituted bourgeois policies of slaughtering the homeless.
I'm reminded of a time a few years back here in Atlanta. My friends and I were hanging out on Boulevard ... a street with a high homeless population and an area rampant with poverty ... skateboarding. We see a cop van pull up maybe 100-ish to 150 feet away, drag a sleeping homeless man from behind a sign, uniformed officers get out and beat him senseless, then drive away. They didn't kill him, but they beat him up. He got up, went back behind the sign, and laid down.

This was 6 years ago. I was 16. There were three of us. Four armed police. We couldn't have helped him even though we wanted to.

[Zostrianos]

Disgusting.

[Zostrianos]

Although, it's still not as horrendous as skinning cats and dogs alive for their fur like they do in China

[TheGodlessUtopian]

Disgusting in many ways but I don't see what we can do about it.

[Le Socialiste]

I don't know what it is (short of compassion for everything that breathes :rolleyes:) but animal cruelty never fails to send me into a rage. I've got a huge soft spot for animals, and just hearing about this...:cursing::crying:

This is fucking disgusting.

[tfb]

Although, it's still not as horrendous as skinning cats and dogs alive for their fur like they do in China

At least you end up with something useful after skinning cats and dogs alive. I think that this is worse.

[EvilRedGuy]

Yeah causing suffering and pain on another animal is useful. Idiot.

[Obs]

Yeah causing suffering and pain on another animal is useful. Idiot.

Are you literally unable to read (in which case, congratulations on being able to use a message board) or did you purposefully ignore what he was responding to? Fur is useful.

Anyway, all this emotional screaming is cute and all, but fact of the matter is that this is largely irrelevant. That is, it's irrelevant apart from the fact that it's a symptom of the conditions that Ukrainians are living under - I'm all for getting rid of stray dogs that cause disease and decrease the standard of living for people living near them. You may disagree with the methods, but fact of the matter is that Ukraine doesn't have money to spend on expensive methods of euthanasia, and you can't exactly just let these strays run around causing harm to people.

Of course, it speaks volumes about the Ukrainian establishment that it took a fucking football championship to make them do something about this issue.

EDIT: I could've sworn this thread was in Politics last I checked.

[Lobotomy]

One of the comments said Ukrainians in general think it is cruel to spay and neuter animals- is that true? I'm a big fan of the idea of sterilization being the answer to animal overpopulation, so I'm just wondering.

[WeAreReborn]

Fur is useful.
Why? Most items that use fur, like fur coats, are extremely expensive. Sure they may be warm but there are plenty of alternative materials that are just as viable.


Anyway, all this emotional screaming is cute and all, but fact of the matter is that this is largely irrelevant.

Well that's great you think animal suffering is irrelevant but clearly the other users don't, so I'm not sure how this statement is relevant in itself.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Is .22 ammunition really that expensive?

THIS (http://www.riflesintheuk.com/rimfire.htm) page gives a price of £4 for 50 rounds, or 8 pence per round, which I would have thought is a minimal addition to the cost of rounding up the strays in the first place.

If the Ukraine is too strapped for cash afford the few extra pennies, maybe they should be reconsidering hosting the UEFA Championship, since they obviously have bigger problems.

[citizen of industry]

I read something about after the fall of the USSR, strays became a big problem in Moscow. Something like 35000 of them running around everywhere, and they are evolving higher intelligence. I think the stray problem can also be traced back to capitalism/poverty.

There is some kind of dog/proletariat pun waiting to happen here, I just can't seem to come up with it.

[piet11111]

Is .22 ammunition really that expensive?

THIS (http://www.riflesintheuk.com/rimfire.htm) page gives a price of £4 for 50 rounds, or 8 pence per round, which I would have thought is a minimal addition to the cost of rounding up the strays in the first place.

If the Ukraine is too strapped for cash afford the few extra pennies, maybe they should be reconsidering hosting the UEFA Championship, since they obviously have bigger problems.

Its safer to use a PCP air rifle 9mm this way you do not have the projectile going to far and no loud bang.