Fascism

[RebeldePorLaPAZ]

Can somebody please explain to me clearly what fascism is? Right now I’m confused on it. I’m not looking to take sides as a fascist all I need is a clear definition. Also how can one be considered a fascist? I know one who is fascist is one who follows fascism but what about those who don’t and are given the fascist name in a stereotypical way.

[synthesis]

Fascism in its popular meaning is used to denote someone who believes in a strong, or totalitarian state.

Fascism, specifically, is a system with its own economic system and beliefs on war, religion, and politics.

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/mussoli...ni-fascism.html (http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/mussolini-fascism.html)

The link I provided is actually a thorough and relatively unslanted explanation of what Fascism is. Mussolini's tone is more analytical than persuasive and therefore almost reads like an encyclopedia entry than, say, a Mein Kampf.

Speaking of which, Nazis and Fascists are often used interchangeably, which is incorrect. Mussolini's mistress was Jewish.

[RebeldePorLaPAZ]

Thanks man, really good link. Helped me a lot.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

I call anyone who seeks to concentrate power in the hands of a minority a fascist.

[SonofRage]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

[synthesis]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2003, 03:43 AM
I call anyone who seeks to concentrate power in the hands of a minority a fascist.
That's an "oligarchy." You may have heard the word used in 1984 in that book Winston reads.

[Saint-Just]

Mussolini invented Fascism. He had a great many conflicting views on it, although he did create one final description in a book written in the 30's that I once saw quoted on this forum, I have forgotten the title though.

Fascism does not fit well into the political spectrum, like anarchism, so it can be confusing. Lenin said it arose from the decay of capitalism. Communism seems to have always risen in anti-imperialist struggle. Fascism succeeded in Italy and Germany because of the decay of liberal, capitalist democracy.

Mussolini said such things as 'fascism is reactionary and revolutionary at once', he also feared lakes because he said 'they are neither rivers nor seas'. Thus, I think to simplistically summise it you could look at the practice. I would outline it as simply as possible in 3 basic points:

-A corporative economic system, where everything is done in the interest of employers and of fascism.

-A dictator assumes position at the head of government.

-The nation is expansionist and imperialistic.

[Comrade Ceausescu]

yes i strongly suggest reading about Mussolinni if you are intrested in this topic.He was a true fascist,unlike Hitler.Hitler was just insane.Nazism is different from fascism.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Originally posted by DyerMaker+Nov 1 2003, 03:06 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DyerMaker @ Nov 1 2003, 03:06 AM)
[email protected] 1 2003, 03:43 AM
I call anyone who seeks to concentrate power in the hands of a minority a fascist.
That&#39;s an "oligarchy." You may have heard the word used in 1984 in that book Winston reads. [/b]
I am aware of the terms comonly used, but inherently they&#39;re the same.

[The Feral Underclass]

Fascism is also based on a philiosophical principle. Fascism says that class does not exist. Making communism etc the ultimate enemy. They believe we are distorting the true path of humans which is that only races exist which are either strong or weak. it claims that the strongest race will enivatble provail over all. They believe that the state therefore is the only body of that race which can succesfully make that race provail. It then goes onto say that in order to allow this race to succeed you must have strong, disciplined pure subjects who have no quirms about killing oither races and who will obey their leaders unquestioningly. If they dont do that, they believe that the state can not provail.

This principle then means that it is their duty to oppress other opposition. Fascism, being the ultimate power means that anything other than that is wrong and must be stopped. Democracy is argued against because it does not allow the race to achieve its objectives, which is to be the most powerful race in the world. Democracy is an evil thing in the eyes of fascism because it clouds peoples judgements and creates opposition. Then you have the theory of imperialism. The strong race has a duty to spread across the world and therefore it is ok to go around and occupy other counties oppressing them by force.

Scarey stuff&#33; It is an ideology that is evil and must be destroyed...by force&#33;

[synthesis]

You gave a good summary of Nazism. Fascism is based more around Nationalism, not really race.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by DyerMaker+Nov 1 2003, 09:06 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DyerMaker @ Nov 1 2003, 09:06 AM)
[email protected] 1 2003, 03:43 AM
I call anyone who seeks to concentrate power in the hands of a minority a fascist.
That&#39;s an "oligarchy." You may have heard the word used in 1984 in that book Winston reads. [/b]
Really? I thought it was just feudalism... How do they differ?

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2003, 07:35 PM
You gave a good summary of Nazism. Fascism is based more around Nationalism, not really race.
If you read Mussolinis account of Fascism he does talk alot about nation, which could amount more or less to a race of people. Maybe if you replace the word race with nation then it would summarize fasicm better.

[SonofRage]

Originally posted by "Mussolini"
...Fascism [is] the complete opposite of ... Marxian Socialism, the materialist conception of history of human civilization can be explained simply through the conflict of interests among the various social groups and by the change and development in the means and instruments of production....

Fascism, now and always, believes in holiness and in heroism; that is to say, in actions influenced by no economic motive, direct or indirect. And if the economic conception of history be denied, according to which theory men are no more than puppets, carried to and fro by the waves of chance, while the real directing forces are quite out of their control, it follows that the existence of an unchangeable and unchanging class-war is also denied - the natural progeny of the economic conception of history. And above all Fascism denies that class-war can be the preponderant force in the transformation of society....

..."The maxim that society exists only for the well-being and freedom of the individuals composing it does not seem to be in conformity with nature&#39;s plans." "If classical liberalism spells individualism," Mussolini continued, "Fascism spells government."

[flayer2]

Exactly. The state is to be treated like a supreme being . Its needs are to be served above ones self. It accepts and affirms the inequality of the classes but I don&#39;t think it has much to do with race other than where it serves the interest of the state. Its roots are based somewhat in roman mythology.

Hitlerism was based on his "blood and soil" ideology and fascist elements were added.

[synthesis]

Originally posted by The Anarchist Tension+Nov 1 2003, 09:02 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (The Anarchist Tension @ Nov 1 2003, 09:02 PM)
[email protected] 1 2003, 07:35 PM
You gave a good summary of Nazism. Fascism is based more around Nationalism, not really race.
If you read Mussolinis account of Fascism he does talk alot about nation, which could amount more or less to a race of people. Maybe if you replace the word race with nation then it would summarize fasicm better. [/b]
Yeah, if you substituted nation for all instances of the word race in your post, it would define fascism more than Nazism.


Fascism is also based on a philiosophical principle. Fascism says that class does not exist. Making communism, etc, the ultimate enemy. They believe we are distorting the true path of humans which is that only nations exist, which are either strong or weak. It claims that the strongest nation will inevitably prevail over all. They believe that the state therefore is the only body of that race which can succesfully make that nation prevail. It then goes onto say that in order to allow this race to succeed you must have strong, disciplined pure subjects who have no qualms about subjugating other nations and who will obey their leaders unquestioningly. If they don&#39;t do that, they believe that the state can not prevail.

This principle then means that it is their duty to oppress other opposition. Fascism, being the ultimate power means that anything other than that is wrong and must be stopped. Democracy is argued against because it does not allow the nation to achieve its objectives, which is to be the most powerful nation in the world. Democracy is an evil thing in the eyes of fascism because it clouds peoples judgements and creates opposition. Then you have the theory of imperialism. The strong nation has a duty to spread across the world and therefore it is ok to go around and occupy other countries oppressing them by force.

Scarey stuff&#33; It is an ideology that is evil and must be destroyed...by force&#33;

Looks good to me.

[The Feral Underclass]

This was written by Mussolini and is entitled "What is Fascism?" it was written in 1932.

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/mussoli...ni-fascism.html (http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/mussolini-fascism.html)

"Fascism, the more it considers and observes the future and the development of humanity quite apart from political considerations of the moment, believes neither in the possibility nor the utility of perpetual peace. It thus repudiates the doctrine of Pacifism -- born of a renunciation of the struggle and an act of cowardice in the face of sacrifice. War alone brings up to its highest tension all human energy and puts the stamp of nobility upon the peoples who have courage to meet it. All other trials are substitutes, which never really put men into the position where they have to make the great decision -- the alternative of life or death....

...The Fascist accepts life and loves it, knowing nothing of and despising suicide: he rather conceives of life as duty and struggle and conquest, but above all for others -- those who are at hand and those who are far distant, contemporaries, and those who will come after...

...Fascism [is] the complete opposite of…Marxian Socialism, the materialist conception of history of human civilization can be explained simply through the conflict of interests among the various social groups and by the change and development in the means and instruments of production.... Fascism, now and always, believes in holiness and in heroism; that is to say, in actions influenced by no economic motive, direct or indirect. And if the economic conception of history be denied, according to which theory men are no more than puppets, carried to and fro by the waves of chance, while the real directing forces are quite out of their control, it follows that the existence of an unchangeable and unchanging class-war is also denied - the natural progeny of the economic conception of history. And above all Fascism denies that class-war can be the preponderant force in the transformation of society....

After Socialism, Fascism combats the whole complex system of democratic ideology, and repudiates it, whether in its theoretical premises or in its practical application. Fascism denies that the majority, by the simple fact that it is a majority, can direct human society; it denies that numbers alone can govern by means of a periodical consultation, and it affirms the immutable, beneficial, and fruitful inequality of mankind, which can never be permanently leveled through the mere operation of a mechanical process such as universal suffrage....

...Fascism denies, in democracy, the absur[d] conventional untruth of political equality dressed out in the garb of collective irresponsibility, and the myth of "happiness" and indefinite progress....

...iven that the nineteenth century was the century of Socialism, of Liberalism, and of Democracy, it does not necessarily follow that the twentieth century must also be a century of Socialism, Liberalism and Democracy: political doctrines pass, but humanity remains, and it may rather be expected that this will be a century of authority...a century of Fascism. For if the nineteenth century was a century of individualism it may be expected that this will be the century of collectivism and hence the century of the State....

The foundation of Fascism is the conception of the State, its character, its duty, and its aim. Fascism conceives of the State as an absolute, in comparison with which all individuals or groups are relative, only to be conceived of in their relation to the State. The conception of the Liberal State is not that of a directing force, guiding the play and development, both material and spiritual, of a collective body, but merely a force limited to the function of recording results: on the other hand, the Fascist State is itself conscious and has itself a will and a personality -- thus it may be called the "ethic" State....

...The Fascist State organizes the nation, but leaves a sufficient margin of liberty to the individual; the latter is deprived of all useless and possibly harmful freedom, but retains what is essential; the deciding power in this question cannot be the individual, but the State alone....

...For Fascism, the growth of empire, that is to say the expansion of the nation, is an essential manifestation of vitality, and its opposite a sign of decadence. Peoples which are rising, or rising again after a period of decadence, are always imperialist; and renunciation is a sign of decay and of death. Fascism is the doctrine best adapted to represent the tendencies and the aspirations of a people, like the people of Italy, who are rising again after many centuries of abasement and foreign servitude. But empire demands discipline, the coordination of all forces and a deeply felt sense of duty and sacrifice: this fact explains many aspects of the practical working of the regime, the character of many forces in the State, and the necessarily severe measures which must be taken against those who would oppose this spontaneous and inevitable movement of Italy in the twentieth century, and would oppose it by recalling the outworn ideology of the nineteenth century - repudiated wheresoever there has been the courage to undertake great experiments of social and political transformation; for never before has the nation stood more in need of authority, of direction and order. If every age has its own characteristic doctrine, there are a thousand signs which point to Fascism as the characteristic doctrine of our time. For if a doctrine must be a living thing, this is proved by the fact that Fascism has created a living faith; and that this faith is very powerful in the minds of men is demonstrated by those who have suffered and died for it."

[Marxist in Nebraska]

Originally posted by Chairman [email protected] 1 2003, 10:24 AM
-A corporative economic system, where everything is done in the interest of employers and of fascism.

-A dictator assumes position at the head of government.

-The nation is expansionist and imperialistic.
Chairman Mao&#39;s definition is a good one. Mussolini is a good authority on fascism.

[Don't Change Your Name]

Some characteristics of fascism are:
- A powerful state which controls everything, use any methods to delete the opposition and guides himself by a principle of paranoia
- A lot of propaganda that puts nation above everything and sometimes race as well
- Believing that countries should be guided by a few dictators who have supernatural skills and are true heroes, and a cult of personality
- A big waste of money in military, seen as a big industry and thinking that wars are good because they make the fittest survive and make all countries be glorious and make people try to be heroes
- A lot of respect for the upper classes, and an attemp of making classes cooperate to help the nation&#39;s growth
- Imperialist nationalism
- Lack of respect for laws
- The abolition of democracy because it "doesnt work" or it "is a stupid lie to make people happy". fachos believe that their dictators are always right.

just my oppinion