Little Rant about Occupy Wallstreet

[RGacky3]

People love to shit on the youth for not caring about anything but cheap Mtv made stuff, they love to call the youth lazy and selfish and so on and so forth,

Then they do something, they protest, the volunteer, they try and organize, then what? People them shit on them for complaining, for not doing it enough, or charge them with just being trendy, or not making a real difference, just sitting around being 'safe' and *****ing.

Then they do something more, they riot, now they are just stupid hooligans not helping ruining their own communities, juts a bunch of thugs.

I'm starting to thing all this is is bitter ageing people that think they are irrelivant, or that juts like to shit on young people, I don't care if there is 1000 or 10,000 people at wallstreet, these are people DOING something, these are people tyring to get heard, these are people with a grievence and doing something more than just yelling at their TV, to dismiss them as "hippies," or just "college leftists" or whatever just makes you look bitter.

Its always people who are older and who have never tried to do something for a greater good, who would much prefer to just sit on the sidelines and criticise and put down. If you don't think they are doing it right go down there and help them, make a sign with your message and go out there. The same people were saying the same about Wisconsin, they say the same thing anyone tries to make a difference.

Maybe they're not perfect but at least they're doing something, and for the "leftists" that love to shit on them for being "liberals" or not "class conscious enough" (This along with the Wisconsin protests were ALL about class) why not instead of discouraging and shitting on people trying to do something, get out there and join, because you know what, THEY were marching with the postal workers, THEY were the ones protesting the banks, now the postal workers are on their side.

[RGacky3]

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And another thing about demands, pretty much what Sam says.

[citizen of industry]

And most often "Doing" is a process which creates knowledge and learning. If people aren't class conscious enough or they don't have the perfect socialist demands they will get there by doing things like this, not by not doing anything.

[RED DAVE]

You are all wrong. I was there. They are a bunch of ignorant, dirty hippies with no class consciousness. They should _____.

A. all go home and study the works of Chairman Mao

B. all go home and study the works of Stalin

C. all go home and study the works of Enver Hoxha

D. all go home and study the works of all of the above

E. ignore ignorant critics and keep on truckin'

RED DAVE

[kapitalyst]

I think they're a few states too far north, but at least on the right coast... They should start walking south until they see a big white building, then yell at that one.

[RGacky3]

They are absolutely at the right place, the place symbolic of those who have bought the white house and bought congress, the real rules of the system.

[Thirsty Crow]

I think they're a few states too far north, but at least on the right coast... They should start walking south until they see a big white building, then yell at that one.
Yeah, we all know that the financial oligarchy is oppressed by the big government. Too bad that this folks cannot comprehend that simple fact of life.

[Bud Struggle]

Occupy Wall Street is entertainment--not news. There is no specific point to any of this, just "we're angry and we're not going to take it any more." It's no going anywhere.

After a while people are just going to fade back to where they came. This is why America works so much better than more Totalitarian states. People blow off steam a bit and then go on their merry way.

Good for everyone involved.

[MattShizzle]

Sounds like way too many of them don't even know what they're protesting against. Be nice if their anger could be channelled and they could be taught what exactly the cause of all the problems they are angry about is. A true strong leftist movement would have "Wall Street" quaking in its collective boots.

[RichardAWilson]

Well, the American Federation of Labor is now supporting the demonstrators. :)

These protesters know what they're protesting.

Yes, they are reformists.

However, you can't make inroads without joining hands with them.

There are a multitude of progressive liberals that would make dedicated socialists if they were more aware. It's our job to work with them and make them more aware.

[Bud Struggle]

Well, the American Federation of Labor is now supporting the demonstrators. :)

These protesters know what they're protesting.

Yes, they are reformists.

However, you can't make inroads without joining hands with them.

There are a multitude of progressive liberals that would make dedicated socialists if they were more aware. It's our job to work with them and make them more aware.

REAL radicals are cyphers in all of this. This is going to turn into a pizzapalooza just like the one in Madison because the Radicals who have something to say have no audience and the progressive hippies who do have the media watching have no message.

[RGacky3]

Occupy Wall Street is entertainment--not news. There is no specific point to any of this, just "we're angry and we're not going to take it any more." It's no going anywhere.


Really? Becausea it went somewhere in the 30s, and it went somewhere in the 60s.

THey don't need a point, their point is they want to take back American from the rich, like Sam Seder said the protesters in the early century did'nt ask for social security, they said "were angry and we're not gonna take it anymore."


This is going to turn into a pizzapalooza just like the one in Madison because the Radicals who have something to say have no audience and the progressive hippies who do have the media watching have no message.

In Madison your gonna have that law overturned and chances are gonna have a huge resurgence of the labor movement becuase of that.

The Progressive HIppies, as you'll call them, are getting stuff done, and many of them ARE radicals, many of them are progressives, and the media is only watching them now becuase they have to.

But your EXACTLY the type of person I'm talking about, someone who does nothing more than critique and shit on people who are trying to make a difference.

I bet old CHineese people said the same thing about Tiananmen square. You know what, they were right that protest came and went without major change, but it changed the dialog and it showed people what they could do, and it showed the state that people CAN get together and fight back.

Btw, I doubt you read my OP go back and read it.

[Bud Struggle]

The real force behind the Protests: Papa John.

http://www.getentrepreneurial.com/images/papa%20john.jpg



As thousands upon thousands of people across the country rally in the streets against Wall Street greed and government complicity in the theft, the liberal blogosphere here in LA is trying to do its part to help out the movement. Crooks and Liars has started a pizza donation fund to feed hungry protesters.
As of this morning, the site had raised $8,600 from more than 300 donors. Thats a lot of pizza.

http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlla/crooks-and-liars-throwing-wall-street-protest-pizza-party_b40821


:D

[eyeheartlenin]

Wow! All I can say about this thread (which I just read) is that one person's (RG3) post, which said "bitter aging people" diss the youth, who are at least doing something, was followed by several posts that strikingly confirmed the point RG3 was making, i.e., by complaining that the youth occupations are "entertainment, without any specific point, that will fade back," that "too many of them don't even know what they are protesting," and that "real radicals are cyphers in all of this, which will turn into a pizzapalooza," etc. (I don't mean to imply that the authors of any post I quoted are "bitter" or "aging." I am both those things, but I think the occupations are great!)

While the occupations are not the Mass Strike, nor the attack on the Winter Palace, they are surely a whole lot better than nothing, and as others have written, leftists need to find a way to relate to them, positively. (As always, please forgive my mastery of the obvious)

[#FF0000]

The real force behind the Protests: Papa John.

In New York? Watch your goddamn mouth.