Russia's Putin says wants to build "Eurasian Union"

[Prinskaj]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/03/us-russia-putin-eurasian-idUSTRE7926ZD20111003

[Die Neue Zeit]

The article says that Putin has recognized the folly of decades of failed WTO negotiations.

[Sheepy]

I thought that was the whole premise of the CIS or is he thinking 'bigger picture'?

[Red Commissar]

I thought that was the whole premise of the CIS or is he thinking 'bigger picture'?

CIS is not very strong, just more of a symbolic commitment among its member nations to continue working with one another in the post-Soviet. All that exists currently is a customs union among Russia, Belarus, and Kazakhstan that could serve as groundwork for a tighter economic union.

What Putin envisions is a much tighter economic union, somewhat similar to the EU as he indicates with the naming scheme, to better integrate their markets. By extension he also wants to better solidify Russia's sphere of influence, especially considering the EU's attempts to court Ukraine.

[Die Neue Zeit]

I wonder if Mongolia will join this Eurasian Union. It was a mistake by all parties involved that Mongolia never joined the Soviet Union.

[DarkPast]

When I read "Eurasian Union" I was immediately reminded of the Eurasia from 1984...

[Wanted Man]

When I read "Eurasian Union" I was immediately reminded of the Eurasia from 1984...

Yeah no kidding. To make matters worse, there also exists in this world an actual region called Oceania. That's just like Oceania in 1984! And what to think of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations? Eastasia, maybe? Holy shit dudes, that's just like in 1984. Imagine a boot stamping on a human face... forever! In fact, just think of evil, pure evil!

http://thepeoplescube.com/images/Putin_Icanseeyou_200.jpg

[Red Future]

Pan -Slavist empire as a result of this anyone ?

[DarkPast]

Pan -Slavist empire as a result of this anyone ?

I highly doubt that, since pan-Slavism is deader than disco these days. Putin's supposed pan-Slavism is just an excuse for his imperialistic ambitions in East Europe. His goal is the restoration of a Russian empire with Warsaw-pact like satellite states.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

He minus well call it "greater Russia."

[Delenda Carthago]

The day this happens, I declare a political refugee at the States.

[Smyg]

Eurasian Union? Amusing.

[EvilRedGuy]

Empire Earth was right, russia will become a ultra-nationalist nation that will conquer half of the world together with futuristic fascist China.

[tir1944]

Sorry to burst your bubble guys,but Putin is but a lackey of the West who on the other hand has a pretty good PR tactic.
Let's just say:Libya,UN security council,abstaining from voting

[Mather]

Sorry to burst your bubble guys,but Putin is but a lackey of the West who on the other hand has a pretty good PR tactic.



He isn't.

Putin is a lackey of the native Russian capitalist class and whilst they may have shared interests with the Western capitalist classes they are not dependent on the West. That does not change the fact that Putin and the Russian capitalist class are as rotten, corrupt and as reactionary as any other capitalist class.


Let's just say:Libya,UN security council,abstaining from voting

How does that prove anything?

The USA has dumped it's allies when it suits them. Manuel Noriega in 1989 and Saddam Hussein in 1991 are two good examples.

[tir1944]

Putin is a lackey of the native Russian capitalist class
Most of these guys either have huge shares in some Western companies or make money mostly on selling gas&oil to the EU...
Either way,Putin can't go against the West.



whilst they may have shared interests with the Western capitalist classes they are not dependent on the West.
Nope.



Manuel Noriega in 1989 and Saddam Hussein in 1991 are two good examples.
The USA had no use for them anymore.Russia on the other hand had a lot to profit from a Libya that barely evaded a NATO aggrression!

[MustCrushCapitalism]

Not a big fan of Putin, however, I'm a huge fan of pictures of him with captions.

http://www.youdopia.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/political-pictures-vladimir-putin-r_525x436.jpg

[Tablo]

No way a Eurasian Union will ever happen. I think Russia has done far too good of a job bullying their neighbors for them to want another warsaw pact.

[scarletghoul]

The Russian bourgeoisie does from a distinct imperial power, and is beginning to compete with the western bourgeoisie. Given the russian bourgeoisie's rising power, and the crisis in the EU, a eurasian union is certainly possible

[tir1944]

The Russian bourgeoisie does from a distinct imperial power, and is beginning to compete with the western bourgeoisie.
How and in what way is it competing with them? By shutting down factories and increasing oil&gas exports (for the EU)?


Given the russian bourgeoisie's rising power, and the crisis in the EU, a eurasian union is certainly possible
USA has great influence over some Central Asian nations...

[Ocean Seal]

I'm going to go ahead and say this. Its kind of scary to hear a leader talk like this. It sounds a little quasi fascist.

[tir1944]

Why "quasi-fascist"?

[Dire Helix]

His goal is the restoration of a Russian empire with Warsaw-pact like satellite states.

His goal is to sell as much gas and oil as possible to anyone willing to pay for it.


The Russian bourgeoisie does from a distinct imperial power, and is beginning to compete with the western bourgeoisie. Given the russian bourgeoisie's rising power, and the crisis in the EU, a eurasian union is certainly possible

Given Russia`s status of a peripheral capitalist economy and its complete reliance on energy exports to sustain itself, should an economic collapse occur in the first world capitalist states, the consequences Russia would be facing would be far more severe than in the US or EU. A failed state or a fascist dictatorship of some sort wouldn`t be out of the question. Where people get all these ideas about "resurgent Russia" is beyond me.

[Le Socialiste]

So I had a rather lengthy response typed out but my computer decided to shut down on me. :thumbdown:

So I'll just repeat what I said (with fewer words):

This move largely reflects Russia's comfort in pursuing its own economic and geopolitical goals. It isn't a puppet of the West by any means, and in fact has been resurgent politically, economically, and socially in the FSU for roughly 8-9 years now. Its esentially overseen the establishment of a broad sphere of interest, one which spans from Belarus to Tajikistan. The only states still openly hostile towards Russia's moves in the region are Georgia, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, and much of Central Europe, but these countries aren't in a position to really resist. They have to look to an outside power, and right now the U.S. is more than happy to play the part. Russia's resurgence throughout its near-abroad is an historically natural one, except in this case the goal isn't empire - it's domination through political, military, and economic means without the hassle of empire. Ultimately, this reflects some of the interests of the financial-political elite and the state/system which drives them forward. Attaining as much influence as possible and cementing it is Russia's goal; so far its succeeded.

[o well this is ok I guess]

Empire Earth was right, russia will become a ultra-nationalist nation that will conquer half of the world together with futuristic fascist China. Holy shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit I haven't played Empire Earth in ages.
I didn't even know other people played it

[tir1944]

^^
What RedScare1917 is saying...

[Obs]

I can't wait for the world to have 3 big empires competing with one another. That always works out well.

[Wanted Man]

Where people get all these ideas about "resurgent Russia" is beyond me.

From cartoons and dystopian novels, judging by most of the posts in this thread.

[Obs]

From cartoons and dystopian novels, judging by most of the posts in this thread.

Lol, he thinks revlefters read books

[aristos]

I can't wait for the world to have 3 big empires competing with one another. That always works out well.

Now you're getting it.