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redstar2000
31st October 2003, 12:45
This is an article that will tell you something (perhaps more than you want to know) about San Francisco, the Green Party, various left sects, bourgeois electoral politics, ANSWER, and the Democratic Party.

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Why are the CP, CofC, ISO, and WWP not supporting a left victory in the SF mayoral election?

And what the heck does that alphabet soup mean, anyway?

by Gina Alvarez

The location of the story is San Francisco. The unfolding story line provides the possibility that Green and broad left Mayoral candidate Matt Gonzalez might win what would be a stunning victory for the left nationally: capture the Mayoralty of one of the large urban and political centers of the country.

Now, about the characters. Let’s explain the acronyms for those unfamiliar with these organizations. CP=Communist Party, a shadow of its former Stalinist self; CofC = Committees of Correspondence, a social democratic split from the CP, still practicing good Stalinist lesser-evilism politics; ISO = International Socialist Organization, a mostly student-based left wing group; WWP = Workers World Party, mostly known for its work in ANSWER as organizers of antiwar activities.

The plot: in spite of the claims of all these organizations to represent the "left," they are either abstaining from which could constitute one of the fundamental struggles of the US left in the last period (ISO) or overtly and actively opposing the left represented by the candidacy of Matt Gonzalez (CP, CofC) or claiming "neutrality" in the race (WWP) while helping the Democrats under the table.

What and who supports Matt Gonzalez for Mayor?

Matt Gonzalez is a member of the Green Party and presently the President of the Board of Supervisors. He is running as a Green and a broad left candidate with a progressive platform of radical democracy, economic development including fair taxation of big corporations and social justice.

He is for the creation of a municipal bank and developing alternative sources of energy such as tidal energy. His plans for eventual free mass transit and alternative modes of transportation and his advocacy of working class home ownership through land trusts are both egalitarian and environmentally sound.

He defends rent control and is in favor of strengthening it.

He is opposed to the war and occupation of Iraq. He speaks forcefully against the Patriot Act and in defense of Civil Rights. He is becoming the champion of the right to vote for non-citizens at the local level and of raising the minimum wage, along with other social justice issues.

There is no other well known politician in town that so promotes popular culture and artists. He states he is for building a new progressive left movement. In the recent past he has endorsed and supported candidates of the left and of the Green Party.

But most importantly, Gonzalez is a broad leftist that is demonstrating the possibility of breaking with the Democratic Party - the jailhouse of social and political movements and the unions - as he runs a successful and popular campaign.

It is this last element which is fundamental for the left in this country to develop, because unless the working class, oppressed communities and youth find a way out of the Democratic Party and create an independent political movement, the left will remain marginal and small.

Without overcoming the bipartisan political regime, all talk of political independence of the working class and the oppressed is just that: talk.

This movement toward independent and left politics is of the greatest importance and should be appreciated and supported as such by the left. In fact, the most successful socialist group which runs candidates for public office in the City, the Left Party, is endorsing Matt Gonzalez campaign.

So is his own party, the Greens and a number of left wing individual activists and the left leaning SF Tenants Union, immigrant rights groups, environmentalists and union activists.

Together with others, these forces behind Matt Gonzalez candidacy will get most of the radical left and Green vote in town (about 10%) plus layers of the environmental, left liberal and independent voters, which could place him - with above 20% of the vote - in the runoff against the favorite candidate of the local Democratic Party political machine: neo-liberal and anti-poor campaigner Gavin Newsom.

He counts on substantial support among African Americans, including the most popular newspaper in Bayview-Hunters Point, and Latinos.

Once in the runoff, Matt Gonzalez could potentially attract new groups of labor activists, working families and African American, Latino and Asian voters and he would be able to attract the support of moderate voters who appreciate his vision of clean government and honesty.

Matt is no socialist or radical left winger. His views on economic development are limited to certain areas of public ownership - like public power - and fair taxation and he does not espouse the virtues of a planned economy.

He does not, as far as we know, raise issues such as tax devolution for working class neighborhoods or the establishment of elected district councils with real power over issues of planning, services and taxes.

Many of his close collaborators are moderate progressives or even liberal Democrats, mostly to his right. These present an objective pressure for Matt - who apparently is to their left - to be restrained and too careful. Some of the literature produced for his run contains hints of this conservatism and tension between different points of view.

While he encourages people to get organized into existing left organizations and allows for an open debate of ideas, his own inner circle is a little narrow and closed to input and participation of the broader forces behind his candidacy. He is not presenting the idea of using the success of this campaign to structure a new progressive, left and united and independent political movement.

Often the energy required for building such a movement, which is the only guarantee of strategic success beyond a particular campaign, gets sucked up by the urgency of winning the extra percentage points to put the candidate in the top tier.

My impression, however, is that Matt and his closest advisers are not deaf and committed to a traditional campaign framework and that what they don’t raise and the shortcomings that are visible are more due to lack of strategy and experience in movement building, than a desire to shut out people who are joining the movement every day.

From the point of view of radical leftists it is possible that certain other criticisms could be raised. But the central question in this debate is: does the Gonzalez campaign represent the mobilization of new social forces behind a politically independent progressive left movement?

Is this a first approximation to the formation of such politically independent movement?

The answer to these questions is an unqualified yes.

Unfortunately, some left groups are blind to this. They even ignore the tremendous impetus for the left that a victory of Matt could mean for their own possibilities of building a new left mass movement .

The stabbing in the back of leftists by leftists on behalf of the Democratic Party

From the beginning, former and present members of the CP and Committees of Correspondence have not hidden their hostility to a run of leftist Matt Gonzalez.

They rushed to endorse Gonzalez’ opponent, liberal now moving to the center Democrat Tom Ammiano - and a few of them center-right millionaire Angela Alioto. But they did not stop there.

Prominent CofC National Committee Members Eric Quezada and Barbara Blong, together with CP and CofC members, engineered an attempt to destroy or at least split the local Green Party.

More than a year ago, several members of this faction joined the Green Party together with several activists of the liberal wing of the Democratic Party including Jerry Threet, Larissa Casillas and others. We called them demogreens.

They are part of a broader Democratic Party’s faction with representation at the County Central Committee headed by Robert Haaland.

While Quezada, Haaland and others did Ammiano’s bidding from outside the GP and inside the Democratic Party, Blong, Threet, Casillas and others conspired inside to either obtain the nod for Ammiano, a Democrat, running against the most prominent Green in the country or at least to throw a monkey wrench and stop the GP from campaigning for its candidate.

Ultimately they failed when over 70% of the active Greens refused to give way to the wave of blackmail and backstabbing and proudly endorsed their own candidate. (See the articles: SF Greens Mayoral forum: Democrats, Demo-Greens, Greens ... and Matt Gonzalez got the overwhelming nod from Green Party, Demogreens routed... for more background on this struggle inside the Green party) and when the Democratic Central Committee failed to endorse anyone for Mayor.

These same members of the CofC and former leftists embarked on a campaign of slander and public attacks against Gonzalez, almost immediately after he filed to run for Mayor on August 8. They accused the candidate of being homophobic because he did not bow and ask for Ammiano’s permission to run.

They are frequently quoted in the media attacking Gonzalez and they are busy in the City’s chatboards trashing the independent left. Prominent in the latter role is another of Ammiano’s core supporters, Esperanza Macias.

Most of these characters are today's Ammiano's hardcore advisers and campaign managers.

Workers World Party’s underhanded endorsement of Democrats works against the left

The Workers World Party has a long history of sectarianism and of refusing to deal with other leftists on an equal basis. At one point they asked Frontlines for endorsement of a candidate for local office in 1996 but they refused to endorse other independent left candidates also running for local office.

Through the control they exercise over ANSWER, one of the coalitions organizing antiwar rallies, they usually ban left wing competitors from speaking at rallies or bully other left organizations for money and resources.

Of course, they only participate in elections when they can present a candidate for office from their own ranks. Unity in action or advancing the broader interests of the working class and the oppressed are no considerations for sectarians.

When they are not running and supporting their own candidates, they tend to support Democrats. And this election is no different.

They can’t, however, say this as openly as they are going through an "independent" phase. So they operate in an underhanded way. At the last ANSWER-sponsored event on October 28 they invited, among others, two speakers: Democratic stalwart actor Danny Glover and liberal Democratic candidate for Mayor Tom Ammiano.

They managed the list of speakers so that Danny Glover, who supports Ammiano for Mayor, spoke immediately before the candidate. Glover used his speech to eulogize Ammiano and introduced him as "the next Mayor of San Francisco."

This was designed to give the perception that the antiwar movement was supporting Ammiano for Mayor, which is of course, ridiculous. Ammiano came late to support the antiwar movement, did absolutely nothing to build it and holds an apolitical pacifist position reminiscent of the 60’s hippies - "Make love not war" which has little echo among present-day antiwar activists.

By supporting Democrats, at least at the local level, both the CofC and the WWP share a common interest: they need those liberals to sign their petitions or as endorsers of their activities to give them legitimacy they lack. They won’t therefore, "alienate" the Democrats by explaining the character of their politics.

Sectarian abstentionism in favor of the local political machine

The WWP also shares with other groups a kind of contemporary disdain for local politics as they have found them an obstacle for their more propagandistic and abstract policies and a source of conflict with people who otherwise agree with them on international or certain national issues.

Other organizations such as Socialist Action and the International Socialist Organization (ISO) understand that the deeper they go into local politics, working class communities and oppressed layers of society, the more difficult it is for them to do politics on abstractions. They come under heavy pressure to actually address daily problems around housing, jobs, gentrification, transportation, wages, social services... that require hard work to develop a socialist platform that will be accessible - not just simplistic sloganeering - for real workers and youth.

They seem not to understand that any mass movement led by the left will have to link immediate needs and programs with the historical objectives of socialism: a society without classes and a planned economy.

They don’t understand, or they feel incompetent to develop, transitional demands to move people by a series of approximations from their present day consciousness immersed in daily struggles toward making the connections with more complex goals. They ignore that this is one of the things you can do through electoral campaigns.

They have nothing but shallow explanations as to why they don’t participate in elections altogether (ISO) or why they support liberal Democrats (the lesser evil.)

Sometimes they pepper their abstentionism, which works for the benefit of the status quo, with sectarian rhetoric. For instance, Socialist Action accuses Nader and the Green Party of being just one more candidate and party of the US ruling class

ISO, always late, always little, sometimes nothing, always selfish

The ISO is a special infantile case of abstentionism and sectarianism. We call it the zigzagging type. When Nader ran for President, they first denounced him and the Green Party as bourgeois.

Later, when their own base in the student movement was swept by mass support for Nader, they turned around 180 degrees and uncritically supported him. At the same time, they staged, as they usually try to do in any movement, an organizational raid of some Green Party locals.

When the latter failed, they moved on to greener pastures (pun intended.) No analysis, no balance-sheet, no consistency.

In the last California Recall election they repeated the pattern: late, little, selfish around the Camejo campaign.

When we asked their members in San Francisco what their position was on the Mayoral election the response we received was: "We didn’t discuss it. It is not an issue of critical importance for us." Another response was "we are not aware of the positions in the polls of Gonzalez and we know little about him."

This is, to say the least, false. The local leadership of the ISO invited Gonzalez last year to their regional educational conference in Berkeley as a keynote speaker and discussed with him electoral strategies and tactics.

Don’t get me wrong: the combined active membership of the CofC, WWP, ISO and SA consists of about 150-200 people. They do not have any support in the working class, either structurally or electorally, beyond their numbers and outside the left milieu.

By themselves, they can’t guarantee more than a puny number of votes.

But as part of a vastly broader movement, the work of 150-200 committed socialists in a broad left electoral local campaign would have been invaluable to help win a victory for the entire left and would have helped to better the image of socialist groups among the thousands of people, potential activists, who are being mobilized in this campaign.

But if you look at the newspapers of these organizations, this most monumental event of the US left, this campaign which carries the potential of winning the Mayoralty in one of the most important urban and political centers of the US, is not even being mentioned and might as well not be happening.

Frontlines the on-line newspaper of the Left Party (San Francisco), October 31, 2003.

http://www.sf-frontlines.com/modules.php?o...order=0&thold=0 (http://www.sf-frontlines.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=489&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0)

Sabocat
31st October 2003, 13:34
I guess I can understand the frustration surrounding the election of a Green and not getting support from the left and "communist and socialist" parties (if indeed you can call any of them that legitimately), however I'm surprised that this comes of a shock.


Matt is no socialist or radical left winger. His views on economic development are limited to certain areas of public ownership - like public power - and fair taxation and he does not espouse the virtues of a planned economy.

It should be understood from this statement alone, why there isn't full support from those groups. It's always funny to hear the liberals whine about not getting support for another liberal bourgeois politician from the communist/socialist parties. What do they expect? When's the last time a Democrat or Green stood behind a Socialist or Communist candidate?

I'm disappointed that the WWP for instance would throw in for the Democrats however. I'd rather see them abstain from the bourgeois politics altogether.

redstar2000
31st October 2003, 14:04
Did you read the whole thing? Good.

Now, why did I reprint a piece that argues against the "sectarian abstentionism" that I recommend with regard to bourgeois elections?

Because I think it is an extraordinarily revealing piece...it shows clearly what kind of a morass that you are apt to land in when you get involved in such rituals. You may console yourself with the fact that you have lots of company...but it doesn't stop you from sinking into the mire.

I'm not familiar with San Francisco's Left Party in detail--it was formed after I moved away from that city. But it is clearly a Trotskyist group...or at least inspired by Trotskyism. How do I know that? Because they used the phrase "transitional demands" in a positive sense...that's a phrase copyrighted by Trotskyism back in the 1930s.

So now that you know where these folks are coming from, let's examine their specific views...


The plot: in spite of the claims of all these organizations to represent the "left," they are either abstaining from which could constitute one of the fundamental struggles of the US left in the last period (ISO) or overtly and actively opposing the left represented by the candidacy of Matt Gonzalez (CP, CofC) or claiming "neutrality" in the race (WWP) while helping the Democrats under the table.

On what grounds is the race for mayor of San Francisco "one of the fundamental struggles of the U.S. left"?

Mayors in the U.S., as in most countries, have very little real power. Italy, for example, has had "communist" mayors for decades. They don't have the authority to make real changes in the cities they "govern"...though some cosmetic changes are possible. Most of all, they cannot challenge the dominance of major corporations over urban life...the state governments, the court system, and the federal government would block such a challenge before you could say "temporary restraining order".

So, if the Green Party guy does become the next mayor of San Francisco, he will be a "symbol", not a force or source of any kind of substantive change. Symbols are what bourgeois electoral politics are about.


But most importantly, Gonzalez is a broad leftist that is demonstrating the possibility of breaking with the Democratic Party - the jailhouse of social and political movements and the unions - as he runs a successful and popular campaign.

This is a common response to the morass...if we can only "break out" of the wretched two-party system, then electoral politics can become really "meaningful" and "useful".

But it is not a matter of parties. Even the Left Party has to admit that the Green guy is not any kind of a "socialist"...


Matt is no socialist or radical left winger. His views on economic development are limited to certain areas of public ownership - like public power - and fair taxation and he does not espouse the virtues of a planned economy.

He does not, as far as we know, raise issues such as tax devolution for working class neighborhoods or the establishment of elected district councils with real power over issues of planning, services and taxes.

Many of his close collaborators are moderate progressives or even liberal Democrats, mostly to his right.

He is, in short, a bourgeois liberal. Perhaps a really "good" one; perhaps more "progressive" than any other bourgeois liberal in the country; but still...a bourgeois liberal.

He is very much within the tradition of "communist" and "socialist" mayors...bourgeois liberals all.


My impression, however, is that Matt and his closest advisers are not deaf and committed to a traditional campaign framework and that what they don’t raise and the shortcomings that are visible are more due to lack of strategy and experience in movement building, than a desire to shut out people who are joining the movement every day.

Note the romanticist confusion (deliberate?) between a "movement" and an election campaign. A real movement is people getting organized to resist capitalist hegemony in some substantive fashion; an election campaign is symbolic and requires only that one vote and encourage others to do likewise.


But the central question in this debate is: does the Gonzalez campaign represent the mobilization of new social forces behind a politically independent progressive left movement?

How can a bourgeois liberal be "politically independent" of the bourgeoisie? That's an oxymoron.

And I can't imagine what the "new social forces" are supposed to be? San Francisco is just like any other major American city with the same classes present. It's more "progressive" than others but still well within the bourgeois paradigm.

And inspite of its reputation as a "free city", its police force is just as brutal and corrupt as one would find in Texas or Alabama or anyplace else. (I could tell you some stories...)

The criticisms of the other left groups that the Left Party makes appear to be well-founded. The Worker's World Party looks particularly bad with an underhanded endorsement of a Democratic Party moderate.

The International Socialist Organization doesn't come off too well either...first denouncing Ralph Nader and then turning around and supporting him.

But isn't all of this typical of the morass of bourgeois electoral politics? Look at the Left Party itself: from a desire to appear "relevant" and "not sectarian", it has painted itself into the corner of supporting and actively campaigning for a bourgeois liberal...and puffing this up into some kind of "crucial opportunity" for the "left".

Whether this Green guy actually wins or not, the Left Party loses. If the campaign is unsuccessful, their followers will feel as if they've worked their asses off for nothing. If the campaign is successful and the Green guy betrays their trust--as he will!--then their followers are going to be equally disappointed.

The "symbolic victory" of the "left" will turn out to mean nothing at all, as the ruling class strikes the set and prepares the scenery for the next spectacular show that is bourgeois electoral politics.

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SonofRage
31st October 2003, 19:27
I don't think it's fair to say that the office of Mayor is a powerless position. A strong mayor can be very effective in pushing his agenda. Although I now live in Chicago, I'm originally from NYC. In NYC, former Mayor Rudy Guiliani, who I was never a fan of, was very strong-willed mayor and was often able to get his way.

redstar2000
1st November 2003, 00:46
I don't think it's fair to say that the office of Mayor is a powerless position. A strong mayor can be very effective in pushing his agenda...In NYC, former Mayor Rudy Guiliani, who I was never a fan of, was very strong-willed mayor and was often able to get his way.

Well, of course! He had a bourgeois agenda, as does the current mayor of that unhappy city.

Had he even pretended to have a pro-working class agenda, he would have been as helpless as a baby...the ruling class media there would have eaten him alive.

From time to time, U.S. mayors are allowed a bit of posturing for the cameras...but the ruling class rules.

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Severian
2nd November 2003, 02:18
One, mayors are powerless to effect any serious progressive social change. Say, fix the school system. Where would the money come from? Tax the rich, right? Good. I'm all for that.

But then capital will move out of the city. Already is, in most cities. There's a certain experience with electing liberal mayors in Chicago, Detroit, Birmingham, where I live, etc.

Democrats, representing an outright capitalist party, to be sure, but frankly the Green Party has even less of a working-class base of support than Black Democrats like Harold Washingon, Coleman Young, etc. These capitalist politicians, because of the need to placate their constituency in the Black community a little, did make some effort to make some reforms, and this just resulted in "white flight." Capital flight would be even swifter with a mayor who was actually independent of capitalism.

There are no local solutions to the problems created by the worldwide crisis of capitalism. Control of the mayor's office, by a revolutionary working-class party, could be of some use in terms of using its resources to support mass struggles for a broader - ultimately international - solution to these problems. Little more.

That's basically true of other elected offices, but it's especially sharp with municipal government due to the small area affected.

Two, there is nothing working-class about the Green Party. To be sure, it is "left" as all get-out. So what? The job is achieve the political independence of the working class, not to switch from supporting a capitalist party to a left middle-class party. Class is decisive, not ideology.

It is a betrayal of communist principle - specifically the principle of the political independence of the working class - to endorse the candidate of a middle-class party in an election.

Edit: Of course it is even more shameful that a number of parties calling themselves socialist or communist are opposing the Greens from the right, on behalf of the Deomcrats.

Three, this is not an inevitable consequence of participating in elections, contrary to what Redstar says. Parties that are revolutionary can and do participate in elections without losing their principles. The Bolshevik Party for one.

No party that thinks electoral politics are a major priority, or an end in themselves, has ever led a revolution. But then, no party that rejected them on principle has ever led one either.

Revolutionary working-class parties run their own candidates, or endorse those of other working-class parties, or abstain from particular elections - it's a tactical, case-by-case question which. Election campaigns are primarily a means of spreading their ideas as widely as possible, including the idea that real change comes not from somebody being elected and handing you your freedom, but from mass action. It can be a means of getting wider publicity for communist ideas than any other.

If someone can't maintain their principles in the elecotral arena, they won't be able to maintain 'em anywhere else, either. Trade-union work, for example, is a lot tougher. It's a lot easier for a revolutionary-minded worker to become a pure-and-simple trade unionist than to become a liberal. A lot more tempting. Liberalism's about as tempting as a cesspool, to anyone with a communist bone in their body.

Redstar's a good example of this, actually. Staying out of elections hasn't guaranteed him a revoutionary conception of the world. Cf his views on the Russian Revolution, which if he's at all consistent he'd have to apply to the Cuban Revolution and others, which were in countries with even less capitalist development...

For that matter, as mentioned in the article, the ISO's usual abstention from elections hasn't saved 'em from endorsing Nader in the last election, which as I mentioned is a betrayal of working-class political independence. Following that election, they espoused the Democratic Party line that Bush had carried out a "coup" by "stealing" the election.

Anybody read Mark Twain's "The Man Who Corrupted Hadleyburg"? link (http://www.blackmask.com/olbooks/hdlybdex.htm) Quite funny, and kinda relevant to the idea of staying out of the bad, corrupting electoral arena. It's all about the folly of thinking you can avoid temptation rather than resist it.

SonofRage
2nd November 2003, 02:52
I often hear that the Green Party is not a working class party. How do you define "working class?" All the Greens I have ever met have been regular people. School teachers, police officers, etc. The party expressly rejects any corporate donations. What is not working class about them?

Severian
2nd November 2003, 03:30
Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2003, 09:52 PM
I often hear that the Green Party is not a working class party. How do you define "working class?"
The working class is people who live by selling their labor, who have nothing to sell but their labor. Doesn't necessarily mean industrial labor. Does mean wage and salaried labor rather than working farmers, and other independent producers. Many middle-class professionals are clearly selling something besides their labor, nobody's labor is worth what a doctor is commonly paid for example. They have a professional degree that is kept artificially scarce, enabling them to extract extra monopolistically.

For a party to be working-class it should be part of the labor movement and day-to-day workers' struggles. It's program should also be looked at.

"All the Greens I have ever met have been regular people. "

I said it was a middle-class party. You don't consider the middle class "regular people."? And it's leadership and program that are decisive. Most Democratic Party supporters are workers, but it is controlled by capitalists. If the Green Party was directly, organizationally based on trade unions, like the British Labour Party, that would be a reason to consider it working-class in that sense...but it ain't.

Peter Camejo, who was the Green Party's candidate for governor of California recently, is a "socially responsible investment counselor." Actually worse than if he was just making his living as a regular investment counselor - it implies that investment decisions are a way of bringing about social change.

"School teachers, police officers, etc. "

It's debatable whether school teachers are working-class, or whether they're middle-class professionals who have a degree to sell besides their labor. Probably workers.

Cops...definitely not. A repressive force against the working-class movement. Rather than repeat what's been said before, here's a couple old threads. link (http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=6&t=16472&hl=police) link (http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=8&t=9193&hl=police&st=0)

If cops are commonly Green Party members it's a worse organization than I thought.

"The party expressly rejects any corporate donations."

See above, re middle class, rather than an outright capitalist party like the Democrats or Republicans.

"What is not working class about them?"

What is working class about them? An attempt to patch up capitalism and make it kindler and gentler does not inherently qualify.

Xvall
2nd November 2003, 03:49
Ah! San Fransisco! Anyone remember Dan White.

SonofRage
2nd November 2003, 05:30
Just because someone isn't selling their physical labor, that doesn't mean they are not a worker. All you are doing if further dividing the working class. The whole idea of lower class, middle class, and upper class is nonsense. It is just a way to further divide the workers. A teacher does not own the university he or she is teaching in. Cops are working people. They should not be demonized, they should be educated about the nature of the class war being waged and how they are prone to being used as pawns in this war.

I think all this nonsense about the "Petty Bourgeoisie" does nothing but divide us against the real enemy: the ruling capitalist class.

redstar2000
2nd November 2003, 15:13
Parties that are revolutionary can and do participate in elections without losing their principles. The Bolshevik Party for one.

If I wanted to be mean, I'd ask you name a second. :lol:

But really, the differences in the situation in Russia between 1905 and 1914 and the situation in advanced capitalist countries now are obviously enormous.

One could probably argue that the Bolsheviks participated in the Russian proto-parliament (it had little real power--being a ceremonial speakers' platform more than anything else) because they saw it as a step towards the bourgeois revolution that nearly everyone then anticipated.

The opportunity to "sell out" wasn't present because the Czar was not buying. When the war began in 1914, the parliament went into indefinite recess and no one even noticed.

That was a long time ago, and things are very different now...as are the consequences of certain strategies.


No party that thinks electoral politics are a major priority, or an end in themselves, has ever led a revolution. But then, no party that rejected them on principle has ever led one either.

If you are speaking of Leninist parties here, that is a non sequitur...at least I've never heard of a Leninist party that didn't play at electoral politics at one time or another.

Indeed, there are no "parties" of any kind that don't "fool around" with that shit...that's what a party is for under capitalism.

Of course, the overwhelming majority of Leninist parties have never led a revolution of any kind...inspite of their claims of superior understanding and their "correct" grasp of the "usefulness" of bourgeois electoral politics.

The working class of Petrograd in February 1917 had no electoral party and no vanguard...and permanently smashed the old autocracy beyond redemption. Nor do I recall that Cuba's 26th of July Movement ever ran a single candidate for public office under the Batista regime...and they did pretty good. :lol:


Election campaigns are primarily a means of spreading their ideas as widely as possible, including the idea that real change comes not from somebody being elected and handing you your freedom, but from mass action. It can be a means of getting wider publicity for communist ideas than any other.

So you tell people "voting doesn't change anything" and you show them that you really "mean" that by...running for office and asking them to vote for you.

And I will "prove" to you that money has no appeal me to all by first asking you to give me all of your money! :lol:


If someone can't maintain their principles in the electoral arena, they won't be able to maintain 'em anywhere else, either.

This is a most curious statement...which may or may not be true...how would we ever know? If some folks who rigorously boycott bourgeois electoral rituals do something else that's utterly unprincipled...well, they should be criticized just as harshly. Who did you have in mind?


Redstar's a good example of this, actually. Staying out of elections hasn't guaranteed him a revolutionary conception of the world.

Well, I don't know about "guarantees"...I have simply pointed out that taking bourgeois electoral politics seriously always lands you in the shit. It is a marvelously seductive spectacle, as the ISO learned to their dismay, but in the end you have achieved nothing.

What's "revolutionary" about that?

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Jimmie Higgins
12th December 2003, 02:52
The ISO's papper seemed to endorse the green party in the SF runoff... as they did with the recall vote.

http://www.socialistworker.org/2003-2/478/...2_SFMayor.shtml (http://www.socialistworker.org/2003-2/478/478_02_SFMayor.shtml)

"But Gonzalez is much better than Newsom on the important issues and, most importantly, he sees his third-party campaign as part of building a mass movement that can challenge the growing gap between rich and poor. Matt Gonzalez deserves your vote."

I couldn't find what the other groups said about the election when I did an internet search.