Fascism on the Net

[Vicrum]

:glare: So, this horrific grouping of people over at *************** is trying to push every bit of the Illuminati, and other groups of revolutionary thinkers, into a box with people who are trying to destroy America. What if people listen to them, and support their ideas, especially given the fact that they're listed as the number one hate-site on the net.

Why should any free entity such as the net put up with this fascism? It's a disgrace.

[Smyg]

Hah, if you think that's bad, then the rest of the internet will likely scar you for life.

[Kornilios Sunshine]

This is nothing.Today,2 guys on Facebook uploaded a photo where the do the Nazi sallute and they also show their faces.I really want to post it here but I kinda respect their privacy and I am also scared the shit out of me if they find me.

[Smyg]

Respect their privacy? The fuck?

[MattShizzle]

Ypu can report the pic to facebook. They say they don't allow hate shit there.

[KevlarPants]

This is nothing.Today,2 guys on Facebook uploaded a photo where the do the Nazi sallute and they also show their faces.I really want to post it here but I kinda respect their privacy and I am also scared the shit out of me if they find me.

Get a black bloc together and beat the shit out of them. Only good thing you can do with that scum.

[Kornilios Sunshine]

I have already reported it but Facebook still keeps it.

[Smyg]

Facebook is inefficient.

[Kornilios Sunshine]

Get a black bloc together and beat the shit out of them. Only good thing you can do with that scum.
I won't fall in their level of stupidity:to beat someone for his ideology.Besides, when I support my opinion and explain,they shut the fuck up.Because,like Stalin said, ideologies are more powerful than guns.And if I beat them, I won't accomplish anything but lose my time and make them even more angry.But if they attack,not only will I beat the fuck out of them,but report them to the cops.They are usually being arrested easily.

[KevlarPants]

I won't fall in their level of stupidity:to beat someone for his ideology.Besides, when I support my opinion and explain,they shut the fuck up.Because,like Stalin said, ideologies are more powerful than guns.And if I beat them, I won't accomplish anything but lose my time and make them even more angry.But if they attack,not only will I beat the fuck out of them,but report them to the cops.They are usually being arrested easily.

They don't just beat people for their ideology. They also beat and murder people for their race, creed and sometimes gender. It might make them more angry, yes, but fascists should be treated as they want to treat all others that aren't them: with discrimination and violence.

[Smyg]

They don't just beat people for their ideology. They also beat and murder people for their race, creed and sometimes gender. It might make them more angry, yes, but fascists should be treated as they want to treat all others that aren't them: with discrimination and violence.

Golden rule, no? :rolleyes:

[Kornilios Sunshine]

Fascists should be treated as they want to treat all others that aren't them: with discrimination and violence.
I disagree with you.I consider brutality and violence in politics fascistic.

[KevlarPants]

Golden rule, no? :rolleyes:

Pretty much :D

[Dzerzhinsky's Ghost]

I won't fall in their level of stupidity:to beat someone for his ideology.Besides, when I support my opinion and explain,they shut the fuck up.Because,like Stalin said, ideologies are more powerful than guns.

Comrade Stalin also said "no man, no problem."

[Iron Felix]

A Stalinist that abstains from brutality and violence? Really?

[Smyg]

I disagree with you.I consider brutality and violence in politics fascistic.

Antifascist violence is the only violence I encourage, in the current day.

[Kornilios Sunshine]

A Stalinist that abstains from brutality and violence? Really?
Yes.

[Kornilios Sunshine]

Comrade Stalin also said "no man, no problem."
What Vyssarinovich meant with this is that the human kind is what world is designed for and the human also corrupts it.In addition,the human kind has the capability to create problems but also problem.Don't forget that he also said : "A single death is a tragedy. A million deaths is a statistic."

[Delenda Carthago]

A Stalinist that abstains from brutality and violence? Really?
It would probably seem weird to you, but in Greece the most democratic parts of the workers movement and the last ones to resort to violence are the m-ls. Its a matter on how you look at things.
When you look at Stalin you probably see a cruel dictator that ruled with iron fist. When people here see Stalin(the ones that actually bothered to study) they see a man under whose rule USSR became the most democratic as it ever was.

On the contrary, the most antidemocratic and blood thirsty and rude people will be found on the anarchist space. Most of their slogans is about violence(you can also see slogans on the wall like"Rage and hate(A)"). They have the worst bullys in their space that will beat other leftists just cause they can and the rest of them will stay silent. If you see a conversation between an M-L and an anarchist in Greece, you ll be suprised of the amount of apolitical insults the anarchist will throw to the M-L. And all these in the name of freedom!

[Triple A]

I was going to say inb4 attack gr says internet threats are no threats.

I was late.:(:crying:

[Delenda Carthago]

I was going to say inb4 attack gr says internet threats are no threats.

I was late.:(:crying:
And I stand by my word.:D

[Os Cangaceiros]

The reason that the KKE doesn't paint hate slogans on the wall and beat up people is probably because they're portraying themselves as a respectable party. I seriously doubt that if they had the ability they wouldn't simply resort to the same tactics that, well, pretty much every ostensibly Marxist-Leninist group in history has when it has attained power, aka violence, terror and bloodshed. :wub:

The self-styled insurrectionists are a bit different, because they're stuck in the ideological/subcultural ghetto and don't have any desire for state power. The "AK" movement, from what I've read about it in void network publications is a bit different, and tries to make anarchism more "respectable".

[Delenda Carthago]

Not talkin about KKE. I m not sure they fit the description of m-l. I m talkin about KOE, KKE m-l, ML KKE, EKKE, ANASINTAXI KKE 1919-1955 etc. I seriously dont know what you are refering to as "terror and bloodshed".

AK nowdays dont even claim anarchist. They are a post-modern-direct-demorcracy-no-ideology-anti-class-war thing that falls apart.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Not talkin about KKE. I m not sure they fit the description of m-l. I m talkin about KOE, KKE m-l, ML KKE, EKKE, ANASINTAXI KKE 1919-1955 etc. I seriously dont know what you are refering to as "terror and bloodshed".

What happened to even moderate opposition figures of Stalin, what happened to left-of-Ho figures in Vietnam, what happened to ALC in Cuba, what happened in China to communist activists who took the "cultural revolution" a little too seriously, what happened to syndicalists and radical socialists in eastern Europe in Germany, Hungary, Poland etc.

and wait, what KKE are we talking about? I'm talking about the KKE (CP of Greece) that wiki describes as:


KKE is a force in the Greek political scene, rallying a significant amount of support within the organized working-class movement. KKE is currently trying to mold a loose and rather disorganised international communist movement along a purely Marxist-Leninist line; since its 18th Congress (February 2009) KKE has opened up a discussion within the ranks and more broadly within the Greek left-leaning community on the future evolution of communism in the 21st century, with a particular emphasis on examining the causes of the collapse of the Socialist system in the former Soviet Union and in Eastern Europe.

Is this inaccurate?

[Delenda Carthago]

, what happened to left-of-Ho figures in Vietnam, what happened to ALC in Cuba, what happened in China to communist activists who took the "cultural revolution" a little too seriously, what happened to syndicalists and radical socialists in eastern Europe in Germany, Hungary, Poland etc.

What happened to even moderate opposition figures of Stalin
Nothing?


what happened to left-of-Ho figures in Vietnam,
Ι dont know


what happened to ALC in Cuba
CPCuba is not m-l.


what happened in China to communist activists who took the "cultural revolution" a little too seriously
Again I dont know. I dont really care about maoism.


what happened to syndicalists and radical socialists in eastern Europe in Germany, Hungary, Poland etc
When?

[Nox]

On the contrary, the most antidemocratic and blood thirsty and rude people will be found on the anarchist space. Most of their slogans is about violence(you can also see slogans on the wall like"Rage and hate(A)"). They have the worst bullys in their space that will beat other leftists just cause they can and the rest of them will stay silent. If you see a conversation between an M-L and an anarchist in Greece, you ll be suprised of the amount of apolitical insults the anarchist will throw to the M-L. And all these in the name of freedom!

Haha, as much as I hate to admit it, I can't find a single thing in that paragraph that isn't true.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Nothing?

Well, according to the KKE's history one of their general secretaries during the 1930's was called to Moscow, where he was executed. Another chairman was exiled to Siberia. :rolleyes:


Ι dont know

They were executed or imprisoned.


CPCuba is not m-l.

Most of the nat-lib movements were actually nationalist movements with some shallow layer of Marxist ideology on top, that doesn't mean that Cuba doesn't fall in the broad ML category as it's popularly used.


Again I dont know. I dont really care about maoism.

execution or imprisonment.


When?

E. Germany 1953, Hungary 1956, Poland 1970

[Delenda Carthago]

Well, according to the KKE's history one of their general secretaries during the 1930's was called to Moscow, where he was executed. Another chairman was exiled to Siberia. :rolleyes:The "chairman" you mention is Nikos Zachariadis, the biggest figure of m-l in Greece's history which was kidnaped by the revisionists for his denial to collaborate with them. Matter of fact, he was the first one that ever stood up publibly against revisionism in times when Mao and Hoxcha were clapping their hands for dudes like Chrouschev.


Most of the nat-lib movements were actually nationalist movements with some shallow layer of Marxist ideology on top, that doesn't mean that Cuba doesn't fall in the broad ML category as it's popularly used.I dont know what is "popularly used". I know what m-l is and what is not. The same way anarchism popularly is known for punks and chaos,doesnt mean I will apply my critics on it either on that base.
Cuba had nothing to do with m-l.


E. Germany 1953, Hungary 1956, Poland 1970 All three of them had nothing to do with the big bad wolf Stalin. Matter of fact I posted today some facts about DDR and how the mls of USSR stood against of the shape of the DDR as an autonomus pseudo"socialist" state.

[Os Cangaceiros]

The "chairman" you mention is Nikos Zachariadis, the biggest figure of m-l in Greece's history which was kidnaped by the revisionists for his denial to collaborate with them. Matter of fact, he was the first one that ever stood up publibly against revisionism in times when Mao and Hoxcha were clapping their hands for dudes like Chrouschev.

Oh ok, so you're an "anti-revisionist" now? :lol:


I dont know what is "popularly used". I know what m-l is and what is not. The same way anarchism popularly is known for punks and chaos,doesnt mean I will apply my critics on it either on that base.
Cuba had nothing to do with m-l.

Castro only really started making Leninist noises and getting real cozy with the USSR when pushed by the USA, but that doesn't make the policies of Cuba any less "Marxist Leninist".


All three of them had nothing to do with the big bad wolf Stalin. Matter of fact I posted today some facts about DDR and how the mls of USSR stood against of the shape of the DDR as an autonomus pseudo"socialist" state.

I didn't base my points on the "big bad wolf Stalin". I based them on "Marxism-Leninism", which obviously transcends Stalin.

[Delenda Carthago]

Oh ok, so you're an "anti-revisionist" now? :lol:
yes,I am.


Castro only really started making Leninist noises and getting real cozy with the USSR when pushed by the USA, but that doesn't make the policies of Cuba any less "Marxist Leninist".
It does, since by the time Cuba revolution won, the revisionists had took over USSR.


I didn't base my points on the "big bad wolf Stalin". I based them on "Marxism-Leninism", which obviously transcends Stalin.
You said that stalinists are all about terror and bloodshed. I asked you about it and you told me these 3 examples amongst others. And I say to you that these examples dont have anything to do with Stalin or "stalinism".

[Os Cangaceiros]

This is kind of a fruitless debate, because I'm not terribly interested in debating with anti-revisionists.

Leninists, yes, but not anti-revisionists. Too much articles of faith assumptions in regards to uncle Joe.


You said that stalinists are all about terror and bloodshed. I asked you about it and you told me these 3 examples amongst others. And I say to you that these examples dont have anything to do with Stalin or "stalinism".

Look at the first post I made in this thread. You will see no mention of Stalin anywhere.

Peace. :cool:

[Delenda Carthago]

Whats an anti-revisionist if not a leninist? And even broader for that matter?

[zenmaster]

I've seen all kinds of disgusting and strange things on the internet, that's the beauty and disgrace of it all: ideas can flow freely, regardless of whether or not they're considered appropriate by everyone. Any idiot, pervert, or 12-year-old can display just about anything on the web, even things that violate federal law. Fascism is almost as taboo as Communism here in the states, as a matter of fact, many of us don't even know the difference between the two, and slander them both while lumping them together as the same thing.

As for using violence to gain a political advantage, it's appropriate when done right. Sometimes it's warranted, sometimes it's not. It depends on the situation. The Bolsheviks would have never taken over Russia if they hadn't used a paramilitary to violently overthrow the government. Passive resistance rarely works, despite it's glorification in the media. Democratic takeovers can be effective but can take a lot of time to gain momentum, but by then people are already sick of waiting and the next thing you know another movement has seized the reigns of power.

If you go on principle too much you'll miss a lot of valuable opportunities. So, don't be a pansy, do what ever is necessary. Not everyone can be coerced without the use of force.

[Le Socialiste]

I disagree with you.I consider brutality and violence in politics fascistic.

You must really despise Stalin then. :lol:

[Bronco]

I won't fall in their level of stupidity:to beat someone for his ideology.Besides, when I support my opinion and explain,they shut the fuck up.Because,like Stalin said, ideologies are more powerful than guns.And if I beat them, I won't accomplish anything but lose my time and make them even more angry.But if they attack,not only will I beat the fuck out of them,but report them to the cops.They are usually being arrested easily.

And what about the rest of that Stalin quote: "We would not let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas" :unsure: