Beliefs

[MysteriousTexn69]

yes forgive me if this ticks people off (for it no doubt showed up several times) does fate happen or is choice real. people, movies and books have challenged this idea and i'll do the same. With the simple notion that a feeling/sixth sense can help predict what will happen to someone in a general sense. in some ways i'd like to think somethings looking over me but another part detests that cause i need to feel i can chose my life. Fate does it exist or are we alone in this world?

[Jesus Christ]

the thought of a higher power to me is so far fetched that id rather not think about it
of course some people feel comforted by the belief of a higher power, but I know I dont, and many others dont
the same about "fate"
it offers no promise, and makes people who believe in it miserable
nothing has ever happened to me that suggests that there is a higher power, or that my life is written out
it is not an appealing idea at all

[Umoja]

Fate does exist in a way, because we don't have freewill. We're just a complex (chaotic?) system, but not that seperate from any other natural reaction. So, I do believe that stuff happens for a reason, but just because a "fate" exist doesn't mean it's possible to determine, nor does that alone prove or disprove the existence of any sort of higher power.

[Xvall]

We can not determine the future - it does not exist.

[BuyOurEverything]

Fate does exist in a way, because we don't have freewill. We're just a complex (chaotic?) system, but not that seperate from any other natural reaction. So, I do believe that stuff happens for a reason, but just because a "fate" exist doesn't mean it's possible to determine, nor does that alone prove or disprove the existence of any sort of higher power.

Wow, that was... exactly what I was going to say.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

I would say to explain things, that we don't have an answer for.

I can't come up at the name of this phenomenon ATM but those magnetic charged parts from the sun which colided with the earths magnetic field andso formed a beautifel show - was declared supernatural in the old days, because they had no explanation

Andso there are many more examples, who knows we can explain ghosts in a few decades.

[Invader Zim]

Ahh I know what you mean. For my geography A-Level investigation I was going to measure the pH of rain water in a conurbation, and see how it differed from a rural village... I was going to do this over a nice 6 week long period during the holidays. And what happens NO Rain for 8 weeks At all, not one measly drop....

At first I thought god was holding a grudge for my years of unfaithfulness, but then the truth hit me like a hammer. If I had gone for a weekend holiday in the sun at Brighton, you can 100% guarantee that it would have pissed down with rain. No its not god that controls the "fates" it is the well known but little understood, quantum physics theory known as "S.O.D.'s Law".

All people everywhere suffer from this strange natural phenomenon.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

S.O.D?

[PeacefulAnarchy]

Fate puts you in a situation, BUT you still have control over the situation and still are able to choose what to do. What is viewed as supernatural, isn't so at all in my humble opinion. You can always have someone looking over you, without them controling you or what your decisions are. You still have control of your life.

[BuyOurEverything]

Fate puts you in a situation, BUT you still have control over the situation and still are able to choose what to do.

Then wouldn't the decision you make in a situation affect which future situations you will be in? So how can you say fate puts you in situations?


You still have control of your life.

But 'you' as an individual entity don't exist. You're actions are based solely on your genetic makup and external stimuli, past and present.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by Non-Sectarian Bastard!@Nov 2 2003, 09:15 PM
S.O.D?
Sods law as refering to bikes: -

http://www.bris.ac.uk/Depts/Union/Mtb-cyc/Sodslaw.htm

In short it is the law, where something can go wrong, and it feals like the gods are spiting you. For example, you have learned a song for a gig, its been perfect all week, but sods law will guarantee it will go wrong on the big day, either you will forget a line, or the amps will break.

Its been sunny all summer, but as soon as you visit the sea side it pisses down with rain.

Thats sods law.

BTW sod, is British slang for a pain in the ass. For example if the shit hits the fan then you say "sod it!". I believe its origional usage comes from the biblical "sodom and gomorrah", and I believe it was a homophobic remark, rather like gay, but no one thinks of it that way, anymore.

[Umoja]

You really don't have a choice in a situation, just like an atom doesn't have a choice to split or not. You'll act a certain way, under certain circumstances. You don't have a choice in how you act, because you can't redo something that happened in the past.

[PeacefulAnarchy]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2003, 04:59 PM
You really don't have a choice in a situation, just like an atom doesn't have a choice to split or not. You'll act a certain way, under certain circumstances. You don't have a choice in how you act, because you can't redo something that happened in the past.
OK an extreme example. Lets say a person has lost EVERYTHING, people they loved were dead or not talking to them anymore and all they had was a big empty house. This person is really depressed. They have a choice to make, trying to change their life and make it better by meeting people and bringing more people into their life and/or seeking theorpy, OR ending it all and killing themselves. that not a choice that, that person has to make? Or lets say your mother's only staying alive on life support, and you're the one that has to make the decision to pull the plug. That's a CHOICE that someone has. There are always two or more roads that you can take, which gives you choices and the ability to change your life.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Ah... thanks Enigma

[BuyOurEverything]

OK an extreme example. Lets say a person has lost EVERYTHING, people they loved were dead or not talking to them anymore and all they had was a big empty house. This person is really depressed. They have a choice to make, trying to change their life and make it better by meeting people and bringing more people into their life and/or seeking theorpy, OR ending it all and killing themselves. that not a choice that, that person has to make? Or lets say your mother's only staying alive on life support, and you're the one that has to make the decision to pull the plug. That's a CHOICE that someone has. There are always two or more roads that you can take, which gives you choices and the ability to change your life.

Your experiences in life and the details of the situation along with your genes will make the decision though, not any illusion of 'conciousness.' Example: When you flip a coin, you think there are two possible outcomes: heads or tails. However, there is really only one outcome and it will happen not because of 'luck' but based on how hard the coin was thrown, the spin that was put on it, any winds or breezes, the air pressure, the temperature and a few other factors. The outcome was decided before the coin lands (actually it was decided at the moment of the big bang orwhenever the universe started) and just because you can't understand all the factors involved, it doesn't mean there are any more possible outcomes. The same goes for 'concious' choice.

[Umoja]

Yeah, only one "choice" actually happens, so it never really was a choice. It's just based on a number of factors.

[Mr Mojo Risin]

sods law...aka "murphy's law" to americans.
(By the way what is murphy's second law?-- don't mess around with mrs. murphy.)

I find some truth in the idea that there is no free will- since humans are physical material as are our brains, they will respond the same way to things in the environment as anything else. Hence the universe is a machine, and once set in motion can only produce one result.

Of course this idea is scary, and is an excuse for me to go run over to your house and stab you to death. My excuse? "It was the only thing I could have done- it was just a natural cause and effect reaction in my brain to the world"

[marxstudent]

It depends on the person. It can be argued that miracles are just things that happen out of luck but science can't prove it. Modern day miracles happen but it's up to the person to accept it or not.

[RyeN]

I belive that there is no such thing as fate in a personal sense, but on a larger scale through out the universe it maybe does. We do have free will with our lives, within the constructs of our world. There are consequences for our actions so you need to follow some sort of order as to stay alive. Everything that has happened and every thing that will happen is because of the flow of sub atomic particles through the universe. So in essence if you can determine that flow or follow a specific patern you can tell the future or the past. Some people belive that this is where extra sensory powers come from. That in some people, or all, there is a sense to tap into the flow of the universe.

[Danton]

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[BuyOurEverything]

Yeah, only one "choice" actually happens, so it never really was a choice. It's just based on a number of factors.

That was kind of my point.


It depends on the person. It can be argued that miracles are just things that happen out of luck but science can't prove it. Modern day miracles happen but it's up to the person to accept it or not.

Define a miracle.

[Umoja]

You still "Have a choice" but you really don't. I could choose to send this or not, but I'm going to send it. We have the illusion of Freewill, I guess that's the best way to view it, it's probubly how our minds evolved.

[BuyOurEverything]

You still "Have a choice" but you really don't. I could choose to send this or not, but I'm going to send it. We have the illusion of Freewill, I guess that's the best way to view it, it's probubly how our minds evolved.

Ya probably. It's like a computer doesn't have a choice about what to do, it just responds to its programming and user input.

[Rasta Sapian]

Lets face it, we have to make choices, lets just hope that we make the right ones! :rolleyes:

However, I currently also believe in fate, :blink: not in terms of good or bad but in terms of a more in dept philosophical interconectiveness or enlightening.

ya dig? ;)


peace yall

[Soviet power supreme]

Well I think that when man started to think life after death, he became so desperate. He imagined heaven and hell, because he didn't want to admit that after death comes nothing.

All the rest is gathered around this shit.

[BuyOurEverything]

Well I think that when man started to think life after death, he became so desperate. He imagined heaven and hell, because he didn't want to admit that after death comes nothing.

All the rest is gathered around this shit.

As well as people's natural fear of the unknown (ie nature and reality.)