Need help in Debate

[Valdemar]

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Here it goes, I know a guy, well we could say he is my friend, he is cool and intelligent and he has skills which revolution could use, he has that energy which takes to change things! only one problem is there, well he is not a Communist, in fact he is Pro-Market oriented.

Well to make story short, he really studies/reads a lot Austrian School of Economics and he is big fan, at least I think of Von Mises. And well...i can bearly count my own money (reffering to my economic skills), so I need your help to turning him Communist!

Well here are his two main ideas:
-He believes government is bad thing, and it is causing problems in free market, without governments, world would be much better place. ( I say problem does not lies withing government but in market itself!!!)

He goes then to:
-Economic calculation problem, basicly how is impossible to allocate goods in Socialist/Communist society. And therfore money is the only way and that there must be Price Mechanism.

Thanks in Advance

[DeBon]

Well, normally I wait for the other person to bring up their ideas instead of asking them. The other day one of my family members was criticizing another, less successful member of our family, saying things like "if he would work harder he wouldn't be in such a slum situation". I went on about how if he didn't have to work as hard as he did, just to get by, his incentives would change. When people are fed, clothed, housed, ect. their incentives switch from monetary to personal achievements, contributing to society, and perfecting skills. Granted, it hardly fazed him, I guess it just depends on the person.

It's always good to do a lot of reading and research, know how your friend debates, what kind if logic he uses, and see if he's even open-minded enough to adopt new Leftist ideas.

[Revolution starts with U]

I think we have a few austrian-ish /left libertarian capitalists around here that have made the switch. I think the general consensus is like a progression thru mutualism, market socialism, and then libertarian/anarchist socialism. But you should probably talk to them about it personally. They would have a much better idea.
First you have to show them that the starting principle of socialism, the producer being given the full value of his labor, is not in itself incompatible with the market. Communism proper most certainly is. But it is not so much incompatible, as the abundance created by socialism renders the market obsolete.