Quotes from a Hoxhaist

[Broletariat]

Me: farewell broham
Hoxhaist: DO NOT DIE VIA REJECTING ESTABLISH MEDICINES FOR LAME HEALING FRUIT


Hoxhaist: I'm a proponent of the "RNNNNNNNNGHHHHHH INDUSTRY" school of thought

Hoxhaist: GO HOXHA WOOOOooooo

Hoxhaist: for economists
Hoxhaist value is just
Hoxhaist I LIKE THIS
Hoxhaist FUCK YEAH
Me: basically
Hoxhaist I'MMA BUY DIS SHIT
Hoxhaist: *buys it*
Hoxhaist: FUCK YOU KARL MARX
Hoxhaist: *leaves store*
Me: xmfd

Hoxhaist: ready for RANDOM ALBANIAN TRIVIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
me: you're such a goober
Hoxhaist: :(
me: you need to post in chit-chat more often
me: goober is not a negative thing
Hoxhaist: lies
Me: it's not lawl
Hoxhaist: YUO LIE
Hoxhaist: "Goober" is actually a codeword for "ALRIGHT BOYS I AM THE FBI LET US ARREST Hoxhaist, HE KNOWS TOO MUCH ABOUT ALBANIA"
Me: xfd
Hoxhaist: which is why there is a FBI van parked outside my OH GOD AJGJSFJHDFJ

[Nox]

Sounds like The Man :laugh:

[The Man]

What is going on in t his? :confused:

[thefinalmarch]

needs moar bunkers

[ZeroNowhere]

Are they 5 years old, perchance? Or do they just have a 5 year old's sense of humour?

[Obs]

Still more intelligible than Hoxha himself.

[Agent Ducky]

If this is that Hoxhaist we both know and that I once trolled with Rage Against the Machine..... :laugh:

[NoOneIsIllegal]

I'm not surprised.

[Rafiq]

Still more intelligible than Hoxha himself.

I would thank this if I had such power

[Ismail]

I would thank this if I had such powerHoxha was one of the most lucid and comprehensible communist leaders ever. I don't know how someone finds him as hard to read as Sartre or something.

[Rafiq]

Hoxha was one of the most lucid and comprehensible communist leaders ever. I don't know how someone finds him as hard to read as Sartre or something.

1. It was a joke, chill. You don't have to go in defending the cult master at every word someone makes in regards to him that isn't positive.

2. Lenin was a lot easier to read than Hoxha. Plus, Lenin made sense too.

[Искра]

Hoxha was an idiot and a lunatic. I read his book on Yugoslavia in which he acussed Kardelj and Tito of being an anarcho-syndicalists. I also read his book on China and Mao and book was full of racist bollocks. Also, he build 700.000 bunkers... godamit... and you talk about inteligence LOL :)

[Tablo]

Hoxha was an idiot and a lunatic. I read his book on Yugoslavia in which he acussed Kardelj and Tito of being an anarcho-syndicalists. I also read his book on China and Mao and book was full of racist bollocks. Also, he build 700.000 bunkers... godamit... and you talk about inteligence LOL :)
Are you saying building bunkers isn't awesome?

[Susurrus]

I don't know how someone finds him as hard to read as Sartre or something.

Sartre's easy, people find him hard? Weird. Also, it is my lifelong dream to one day live in a bunker, so I must credit Hoxha for that. And nothing else.

[Nox]

Hoxha was an idiot and a lunatic. I read his book on Yugoslavia in which he acussed Kardelj and Tito of being an anarcho-syndicalists. I also read his book on China and Mao and book was full of racist bollocks. Also, he build 700.000 bunkers... godamit... and you talk about inteligence LOL :)

The number of bunkers may have been a little ridiculous, but I can't fault him for building up defenses, he wanted to stop a potential invasion/annexion from Yugoslavia, which was actually discussed/planned at one point.

[Obs]

Sorry I'm a bit late to join in here, but I didn't quite realise this was a Hoxha thread.

Ahem.




BUNKERS.
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS1WhZbLcSP3vdUKsGM8yHq6MjHMrNt1 m3ysKUczOfPzVOLNnkM

[Susurrus]

http://www.balkantravellers.com/images/stories/curiosity_chest/albania_reuse_bunkers.jpg

[Ismail]

Hoxha was an idiot and a lunatic. I read his book on Yugoslavia in which he acussed Kardelj and Tito of being an anarcho-syndicalists.Hoxha noted how Tito and Kardelj's demagoguery about "workers' self-management" was little different from the revisionist "Workers' Opposition" Lenin had to contend with, and which Lenin referred to an an "anarcho-syndicalist deviation." Hoxha properly calls Tito and Kardelj capitalists.


I also read his book on China and Mao and book was full of racist bollocks.I fail to see how his work on China and Maoism (I assume you mean Imperialism and the Revolution) is full of "racist bollocks." Apparently noting that Maoism is a syncretic and eclectic ideology based in large part on Chinese idealist philosophy is "racist." Is noting that Juche heavily relies on Korean mythology "racist" as well?

People are free to read those two works and judge for themselves:
http://www.enverhoxha.ru/Archive_of_books/English/enver_hoxha_yugoslav_selfadministration_a_capitali st_theory_and_practice.pdf
http://www.enver-hoxha.net/content/content_english/books/books-imperialism_and_revolution.htm

[Prairie Fire]

Still with this? Sheesh, most of the Hoxhaists who were here have left/been banned ( myself, Ismail and a handful of others not-with-standng), and Revleft is worse off for it.

[Tablo]

Yeah, the place is a bit more boring without all the Hoxhaists and Stalinists I will admit. Some seriously deserved to be banned though.

[Ismail]

Still with this? Sheesh, most of the Hoxhaists who were here have left/been banned ( myself, Ismail and a handful of others not-with-standng), and Revleft is worse off for it.We seem to be the two most knowledgeable pro-Hoxha types here though. I still remember (and actually have saved in my PM box) your PM to me when I first signed up. I had a small Hoxha avatar and you were like "Oh my god, it's another Hoxhaist!"

Then we had to spend two years convincing people on RevLeft that yes, there was a man named Enver Hoxha, he led Albania, his activities extended beyond the realm of pill-boxes, and there really is a pro-Hoxha/Albanian tendency that has existed for the past 35 years.

Marxists.org has a good intro to the Sino-Albanian split: http://www.marxists.org/history/erol/ncm-5/index.htm

[Agent Ducky]

Woah, woah. This shit just got way too serious for chit chat.

[Prairie Fire]

I still remember (and actually have saved in my PM box) your PM to me when I first signed up. I had a small Hoxha avatar and you were like "Oh my god, it's another Hoxhaist!"




Yep. We always were a deceptively small bunch on Revleft, because most M-L's in the pro-Albanian camp world-wide either don't have the internet, don't write in english, or don't waste their time with internet B.S. more than they have to (i.e. updating an organizational website,).


Then we had to spend two years convincing people on RevLeft that yes, there was a man named Enver Hoxha, he led Albania, his activities extended beyond the realm of pill-boxes, and there really is a pro-Hoxha/Albanian tendency that has existed for the past 35 years.



Yeah, it's been a crazy ride, hasn't it? I just wish we didn't keep going around in circles of infighting and un-productive intellectual musings, and that something concrete and real-world would come out of the hours we have put in here.

[Susurrus]

that something concrete and real-world would come out of the hours we have put in here.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e1/Albania_bunkers.jpg

[Lyev]

The concentration of Hoxhaists on revleft though is deceptive because I don't think they have much weight as a visible contigent of the revolutionary movement in real life; they don't really exist

[Искра]

Regarding Albania there's funny post-yugoslav movie called Karaula (eng. Border Post). Movie is about young solider who's doctor and who's helping his comander in curing his syphilis (and later he's fucking his comadners wife). Comadner can't admit that he has a syphilis, which is a reason why he is isolated in the midle of the nowhere and no body can go there but his troops, so he said that Alabanians are trying to attack Yugoslavia which caused paranoia within his troops :D funny, comedy... and a lot of jokes on Hoxha's account....

[Искра]

http://notesfromthefield.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/02/02/bunker_flower_pot_2.jpg

Oh no, hippies expropirated a bunker.....

[Ismail]

The concentration of Hoxhaists on revleft though is deceptive because I don't think they have much weight as a visible contigent of the revolutionary movement in real life; they don't really existhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Conference_of_Marxist%E2%80%93Lenini st_Parties_and_Organizations_%28Unity_%26_Struggle %29

They're particularly prominent in Ecuador (where they have MPs), Burkina Faso, the Ivory Coast, Tunisia, Colombia and Brazil. I've talked to Brazilian Maoists who have seen "Hoxhaite" graffiti and such in working-class districts in Brazil, and there was an article in a French-language newspaper a while back about how the Burkinabé pro-Albanian group was growing in influence. There were certainly many pro-Albanian groups in the 70's and 80's, including in the Western world such as the KPD/ML (which also had an underground section in the GDR), the CPI-ML in Ireland, and the CPC-ML in Canada.

[S.Artesian]

Still with this? Sheesh, most of the Hoxhaists who were here have left/been banned ( myself, Ismail and a handful of others not-with-standng), and Revleft is worse off for it.

Well, I'm working on that {Ismail etc} and Revleft will be better off for it.

[Ismail]

Well, I'm working on that {Ismail etc} and Revleft will be better off for it.Yeah, consistent defenders of Stalin (unlike the Maoists) are obviously the bane of Trotskyism.

[Dzerzhinsky's Ghost]

The concentration of Hoxhaists on revleft though is deceptive because I don't think they have much weight as a visible contigent of the revolutionary movement in real life; they don't really exist

:rolleyes:

Colombia, enough said.

[Искра]

http://observers.france24.com/files/images/Albania8_0.jpg

Hoxha's bunker: Protecting your kids from evil Yugoslav revisionists!


http://nimg.sulekha.com/others/original700/albania-beach-bunker-2009-7-22-12-11-49.jpg

I socialist Albania we offer you full protection four our tourists.

http://www.mariusztravel.com/zdjecia/albania/13_albania_namiot.JPG

When you go to Albania, you don't need a tent. We live in communism so you'll get a concrete one.

[Nox]

http://observers.france24.com/files/images/Albania8_0.jpg

Hoxha's bunker: Protecting your kids from evil Yugoslav revisionists!


http://nimg.sulekha.com/others/original700/albania-beach-bunker-2009-7-22-12-11-49.jpg

I socialist Albania we offer you full protection four our tourists.

http://www.mariusztravel.com/zdjecia/albania/13_albania_namiot.JPG

When you go to Albania, you don't need a tent. We live in communism so you'll get a concrete one.

I must admit, I love bunker jokes :laugh:

[Roach]

Before people start jumping into conclusions it must first be aknowledge that hoxhaism has always been more popular in the Third-World rather than on Europe and North America (with the exceptions of Canada, Ireland, Germany and of course Albania). Most publications of the CIPOML are only avaible in Spanish, with this language being some sort of lingua franca of Hoxhaism. I dont want to sound like a Maoist Third-Worldist, but the First World left can hardly be considered an example of political relevance.

Also latin american hoxhaists use to waste their time on this website: http://www.forocomunista.com/

[Ismail]

According to Robert J. Alexander (the guy who wrote International Trotskyism) in his book International Maoism in the Developing World, the Communist Party of Trinidad and Tobago (founded in 1979) was not only the first CP in Trinidad and Tobago, but was from the start pro-Hoxha. Another pro-Hoxha CP existed in Mali and was prominent in the 80's among students. So yeah, not exactly places of great prominence.

It's worth noting that there was actually a split within the pro-Albanian current as well. Some parties adhered to the ultra-left views of the MLPUSA, like the MAP-ML in Nicaragua, and criticized some aspects of Albania's foreign policy (for instance Hoxha called for the defense of Iran against Iraq during the Iran-Iraq War, whereas some pro-Hoxha types in Iran backed Iraq or adopted a position of "revolutionary defeatism.")

[S.Artesian]

Yeah, consistent defenders of Stalin (unlike the Maoists) are obviously the bane of workers' revolution.

As you pointed out earlier, I'm "not even a Trotskyist."

So I fixed your post to make it more inclusive. Don't bother to thank me.

[Ismail]

As you pointed out earlier, I'm "not even a Trotskyist."As Radek said at the Moscow Trials, "But there are in the country semi-Trotskyites, quarter-Trotskyites, one-eighth-Trotskyites, people who helped us..."

[Искра]

Hoaxhists: killin' H in Humour

[S.Artesian]

As Radek said at the Moscow Trials, "But there are in the country semi-Trotskyites, quarter-Trotskyites, one-eighth-Trotskyites, people who helped us..."


Yes, and Jews, semi-Jews, demi-Jews, quarter-Jews, octaroon Jews, those with Jews somewhere in their ancestry... and blacks

half-blacks, quadroons, octaroons...

and Apple users-- Macaroons.


Do you check under your bed at night to see if any 1/8ers are hiding there? I mean after you brush your teeth, kiss mumsy and dada goodnight, and say your prayers?

[NoOneIsIllegal]

The concentration of Hoxhaists on revleft though is deceptive because I don't think they have much weight as a visible contigent of the revolutionary movement in real life; they don't really exist
There is one Hoxhaist in my local IWW GMB. My mind was blown the day I found out.

His politics is shit anyway. Way too sectarian and his polemics is weak. He's trying too hard.

[NoOneIsIllegal]

They're particularly prominent in Ecuador (where they have MPs), Burkina Faso, the Ivory Coast, Tunisia, Colombia and Brazil.
I'll get back to you on this. I made a very good friend recently at work who's from Burkina Faso. He's 26, and emigrated when he was 21, so I would hope he had enough time to maybe hear of such a movement (very small country!)\
I also know a lot of people from Togo, I wonder if anything is going on there.

[NoOneIsIllegal]

As Radek said at the Moscow Trials, "But there are in the country semi-Trotskyites, quarter-Trotskyites, one-eighth-Trotskyites, people who helped us..."
:rolleyes: oh FFS...

[Ismail]

I also know a lot of people from Togo, I wonder if anything is going on there.The Communist Party of Togo used to be pro-Albania in the 80's.

The pro-Hoxha party in Burkina Faso is known as the Parti communiste révolutionnaire voltaïque. They were attacked as "sectarian" in the 80's for refusing to uphold Sankara's government.

[Rafiq]

Parties should only be recognized if they have more than 8 people.

[Искра]

Are you insane or what? Half of movements wouldn't exist then.... :D:D:D

[Ismail]

Parties should only be recognized if they have more than 8 people.In Ecuador the MPD has MPs and television commercials. In Colombia, Brazil (the PCdoB, definitely not a tiny party) and Venezuela there were pro-Albanian guerrilla movements. The very formation of a communist party in any African country (outside of South Africa) is significantly difficult yet the Communist Party of Benin, which is pro-Hoxha, had an MP elected in '95. There's also the EMEP in Turkey which has its own small TV station.

The pro-Albanian tendency worldwide is not much less significant than Trotskyist and Maoist tendencies. It was never significant in the USA but it still existed just about everywhere else. There is actually a RevLeft user who once belonged to the Communist Party of Mexico (Marxist-Leninist), but called it "dogmatic" and left it. Throughout the 70's and 80's there were also attempts to smuggle into the USSR Russian-language Albanian (or pro-Albanian) publications: http://www.enverhoxha.ru/enver_hoxha_questions_answers_4.htm

Of course there were pro-Albanian groups in the US, such as this (although COUSML was infiltrated by the FBI and later became the ultra-left MLPUSA, which was the main reason Albania never recognized an "official" pro-Albanian party in the USA):
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc207/MrdieII/enverhoxhausmlo.jpg
(http://www.enverhoxha.ru/enver_hoxha_questions_answers_4.htm)

[Roach]

Oh it is worth noting that Marcelo Rivera, the leader of Ecuador's student union, who made enough noise to be arrested under the charges of ''terrorism'', is a member of the PCMLE and its front the Movimiento Popular Democratico, which in turn had its presidential candidate murdered in 1999, his name was Jaime Hurtado.

http://www.mpd15.org.ec/images/heroes/jaime.jpg

Jaime Hurtado

http://libertadmarcelo.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/marcelo-rivera-en-cdp3.jpg?w=480&h=640

Marcelo Rivera (in prison)

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

What's up with the Che pic? Thought he was a "revisionist?"

[Ismail]

What's up with the Che pic? Thought he was a "revisionist?"Hoxha considered him a brave bourgeois-democratic revolutionary, not a Marxist-Leninist. Thus he was a progressive individual. Hoxha technically considered Mao progressive (but again, not Marxist-Leninist) as well on a domestic level vis-à-vis Chiang Kai-shek and Co., but the difference is that Mao led an aspiring superpower and formulated a doctrine far more dangerous to the cause of communism than Che's misguided "Foco" views. Not to mention that Mao reconciled with US imperialism, whereas Che was a firm opponent of it.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

In the Dominican Republic you can find some graffiti and posters here and there from the PCT, which is "Hoxhaist." They're a part of a "progressive" coalition that contests elections.

[Ismail]

In the Dominican Republic you can find some graffiti and posters here and there from the PCT, which is "Hoxhaist." They're a part of a "progressive" coalition that contests elections.Apparently the PCT used to set up communes in the 80's according to one person I talked with. A RevLeft user made a similar claim some years back.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

The person was me. They weren't communes. They were local councils.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

http://prensalibrenagua.blogspot.com/2011/03/partido-comunista-del-trabajo-pct.html

Here you go. A recent statement they made. As you can see, they use Che's image, as does the "Maoist" group (FR).

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Then we had to spend two years convincing people on RevLeft that yes, there was a man named Enver Hoxha, he led Albania, his activities extended beyond the realm of pill-boxes, and there really is a pro-Hoxha/Albanian tendency that has existed for the past 35 years.IDK about all that. I remember when Miles and I were joking around about Hoxha in chat in early 2005. I knew about the PCT and Hoxha long before that. Some people like Redstar2000 were in Maoist groups that polemicized against "anti-revisionist" groups in days gone by, etc.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

The concentration of Hoxhaists on revleft though is deceptive because I don't think they have much weight as a visible contigent of the revolutionary movement in real life; they don't really exist

There are all kinds of groups in the world. There are Juche groups in South America and Africa. There are Posadaist groups in South America that claim socialism exists in space and will be brought to earth by aliens. How about the People's Temple (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peoples_Temple)? If you can think of it, there's probably a group that advocates it.

I don't know what the point of arguing about that kind of thing is. The left is largely insignificant around the world, and the groups that are not are almost exclusively reformist and/or firmly rooted in the camp of capital.

[Roach]

What's up with the Che pic? Thought he was a "revisionist?"

Besides what Ismail already said, Che is considered the father of radical latin-american anti-imperialism, as well as a dedicated revolutionary socialist martyr, nobody really adopts his foco theory, but this does not erase his huge symbolic meaning, as far as I know the only ''hoxhaist'' parties that uphold him are the already mentioned PCMLE, the PCT and the Brazilian PCR, but again in a purely symbolic way, comparable to Skandenberg in the Party of Labor of Albania. If you look at the African, Asian and European parties of the CIPOML you would not see such a thing. Its a purely latin-american phenomenon.

Ironically the Che cult was much smaller in the early years of latin-american ''hoxhaism'', but the politics of such movements were much closer to Che's than those of modern hoxhaists, that now have rejected adventurist guerilla wars and focus on building political movements.

[Ismail]

How about the People's Temple (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peoples_Temple)? If you can think of it, there's probably a group that advocates it.http://ruralpeople.atspace.org/

I'm pretty sure Trotskyist, Maoist and pro-Hoxha parties worldwide are a bit more significant than that group though. :p

Also to my knowledge there aren't any (non-internet-based) Juche "vanguard" parties, just "study groups" that serve no purpose except for the KCNA to report how Juche is taking the world by storm and to maybe convince some local businessmen to invest in the DPRK or something.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Also to my knowledge there aren't any (non-internet-based) Juche "vanguard" parties, just "study groups" that serve no purpose except for the KCNA to report how Juche is taking the world by storm and to maybe convince some local businessmen to invest in the DPRK or something.

There are actually groups that study and "uphold" Juche. I know of some in Latin America and at least one in Africa that definitely exist outside of the internet.

Plus some of the bigger left parties get involved in that crap to different extents.

The Venezuelan CP for example..

"Kim Jong Il's famous work 'The Workers' Party of Korea Is the Party of the Great Leader Comrade Kim Il Sung' was brought out in booklet by the Canta Clara Publishing House of Venezuela... A book releasing ceremony took place at the head office of the Communist Party of Venezuela on October 8. Present there were Oscar Figuera, general secretary of the Central Committee of the party, and others." - http://www.kcna.co.jp/item/2007/200710/news10/18.htm

They've also sent letters, had meetings, etc.

The SWP's leader Jack Barnes met with Kim Il-Sung a while back and brought him a gift. They have sent some "letters of greetings" to the DPRK leadership in the years since.


I'll get back to you on this. I made a very good friend recently at work who's from Burkina Faso. He's 26, and emigrated when he was 21, so I would hope he had enough time to maybe hear of such a movement (very small country!)

I met with Blaise Compaoré's niece in NYC a few years ago. She had some interesting things to say about her country of origin, her uncle, and Tom Sank... of course she had her prejudices, coming from a monied family and all.

[Ismail]

Yes but I don't know of any actual Juche parties. Plenty of former pro-Soviet CPs in the third world maintain good relations with the DPRK (and praising Juche is part of maintaining said relations), but I don't know of an explicitly Juche-based vanguard party (unless, of course, we count the WPK itself.) Hoxha did point out in the 1970's that Kim Il Sung was trying to make Juche a "universal" thing though, just as he was also trying to head the "Non-Aligned Movement."

[thesadmafioso]

The Chit Chat forum of revleft, ever at the forefront of the fight for Hoxhaism in the 21st century.

[Lyev]

There are all kinds of groups in the world. There are Juche groups in South America and Africa. There are Posadaist groups in South America that claim socialism exists in space and will be brought to earth by aliens. How about the People's Temple (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peoples_Temple)? If you can think of it, there's probably a group that advocates it.

I don't know what the point of arguing about that kind of thing is. The left is largely insignificant around the world, and the groups that are not are almost exclusively reformist and/or firmly rooted in the camp of capital.Yeah I was gonna say this, about the small size of the world-wide revolutionary movement generally speaking. It's difficult to hold that any of these grouplets or little currents scattered around the globe are important.

[Rafiq]

You still fail to provide evidence that these Hoxhaist parties have more than 8 people.

[Ismail]

You still fail to provide evidence that these Hoxhaist parties have more than 8 people.Apparently a party with 8 people can operate a TV station or have MPs.

I'm pretty sure the party in the Dominican Republic mentioned by NHIA has more than 8 people. I'm also pretty sure the PCdoB had (and certainly has) more than 8 people.

Provide evidence that whatever the hell your tendency is has more than 8 people in the entire world.

Here are some PCMLE/MPD rallies: http://espressostalinist.wordpress.com/2011/02/03/to-all-anti-ml-idiots/

[Искра]

You are also pretty sure that Hoxha writings are complexed and deep, so that means that those parties have less than 8 members.

[Ismail]

You are also pretty sure that Hoxha writings are complexed and deep, so that means that those parties have less than 8 members.No one says that Hoxha's writings are "complex and deep." Hoxha's goal wasn't theoretical innovation, it was the defense of the line of Marx, Engels, Lenin and Stalin. He openly assailed any attempts to supposedly "innovate" Marxism for "new" or "national" conditions. For someone who has supposedly read parts of Imperialism and the Revolution (in which you accuse of it being filled with "racist bollocks" despite having no proof) this should be fairly obvious. Perhaps you could check out his book Eurocommunism is Anti-Communism (http://www.enver-hoxha.net/content/content_english/books/books-eurocommunism_is_anti-communism.htm) as well, maybe you'll also find "racist bollocks" there.

[Искра]

blahblahblahblah... less than 8 members.

[Ismail]

I doubt that.

[Искра]

Less than 8 members! Less than 8 members! Less than 8 members! Less than 8 members!:lol::p

[Nox]

Less than 8

Are you talking about the number of competant people who consider themselves Left Communists?

[Искра]

I'm an ex-anarcho-syndicalist and that's the movement where I belong. I have no connections with the Left Communists ;) but yeah, there are more than 8 LefCom's in Croatia and more than 100 AS's, so once again: Less that 8 members! Less than 8 members! :lol:

btw. this is chit chat... why so serious?

[Rafiq]

It doesn't take more than 8 people to run a TV station.

My tendency? Revolutionary(Orthodox) Marxism? I'm pretty sure there's more than 8 revolutionary Orthodox Marxists in every country.

[thesadmafioso]

I seriously doubt that 8 is a reasonable high end estimate for Hoxhaist organizations, I propose we lower it to 5.

[The Man]

Apparently a party with 8 people can operate a TV station or have MPs.

I'm pretty sure the party in the Dominican Republic mentioned by NHIA has more than 8 people. I'm also pretty sure the PCdoB had (and certainly has) more than 8 people.

Provide evidence that whatever the hell your tendency is has more than 8 people in the entire world.

Here are some PCMLE/MPD rallies: http://espressostalinist.wordpress.com/2011/02/03/to-all-anti-ml-idiots/

http://espressostalinist.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/pcmle5.jpg?w=500&h=375
http://espressostalinist.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/pcmle6.jpg?w=500&h=333
http://espressostalinist.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/pcmle3.jpg?w=375&h=500
http://espressostalinist.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/aniver46.jpg


Meanwhile, The Trotskyist's are participating in revolutionary action as well:

http://engageonline.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/swp1.jpg

[Искра]

Is that Hitler behind Lenin on third picture?

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

I don't know how we made it through this thread without anyone posting this.

http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/2769/interviewwiththehoxhais.jpg

[Apoi_Viitor]

Why/how did Hoxhaism come to be so popular in Ecuador?

[Ismail]

Why/how did Hoxhaism come to be so popular in Ecuador?Because the PCMLE broke with Maoism and aligned itself with Albania, and has been pro-Hoxha ever since. The PCMLE was also engaged in guerrilla warfare up until the mid-90's.

The PCMLE seemed to enjoy good relations with the PLA even before 1978. See for instance Hoxha's 1968 conversation with two of their leaders (this is also where he mentions Che Guevara): http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/hoxha/works/1968/10/21.htm

[Tifosi]

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/153/350317464_6054061e9c.jpg

[Prairie Fire]

http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/2769/interviewwiththehoxhais.jpg


Jesus, someone went through the trouble of (poorly) constructing this?

I don't even understand the reference. If it was Ceasescu, okay, sure ( Romania= Vampires). But what is the connection here, though?




http://farm1.static.flickr.com/153/350317464_6054061e9c.jpg


Yeah... A picture of modern Albania, with a pill box bunker in the foreground...?

[Nox]

I'm an ex-anarcho-syndicalist and that's the movement where I belong. I have no connections with the Left Communists ;) but yeah, there are more than 8 LefCom's in Croatia and more than 100 AS's, so once again: Less that 8 members! Less than 8 members! :lol:

btw. this is chit chat... why so serious?

It was obviously a joke :lol:

[Искра]

Oi Hoaxhaists, have you ever been in Albania? R you plannin' a school trip? Watch your kidneys!

[Roach]

9h4WVx1Yvg0
The first legal congress of the ''hoxhaist'' Communist Workers Party of Tunisia, a fraternal party of the PCMLE, that for years opposed Ben Ali's dictatorship.

I think there is more than just 8 or 5 people in the video.

[Susurrus]

There are only 8 hoxhaists worldwide. They are just hiveminds.

[The Man]

There are only 8 hoxhaists worldwide. They are just hiveminds.

If there are people that actually call themselves 'Hoxhaists' and that is there actual political ideology, than I wouldn't doubt it.

[Roach]

There are only 8 hoxhaists worldwide. They are just hiveminds.

Like the ones in the video ?

[Ismail]

Oi Hoaxhaists, have you ever been in Albania? R you plannin' a school trip? Watch your kidneys!One of the most notable pro-Hoxha individuals was Bill Bland, who visited Albania countless times and headed a friendship society in Britain. He was one of the foremost authorities on Albanian affairs, culture, history, etc. Not to mention various pro-Hoxha individuals abroad who visited Albania in the 1970's and 80's (most notably João Amazonas of the PCdoB.)

Crime surged after 1991 and Albania today is one of the world's most corrupt countries, so yeah perhaps one would need to watch their kidneys now.

[Susurrus]

Like the ones in the video ?

Yes. Bodies controlled by a single Hoxhaist hivemind.

[ColonelCossack]

Da fok?

[Rafiq]

http://espressostalinist.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/pcmle5.jpg?w=500&h=375
http://espressostalinist.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/pcmle6.jpg?w=500&h=333
http://espressostalinist.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/pcmle3.jpg?w=375&h=500
http://espressostalinist.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/aniver46.jpg




It's quite obvious:

http://www.insidesocal.com/editors/Stalin1.jpg

Reverse stalinist editing of pictures, instead of removing one person, they add several.

[The Man]

It's quite obvious:

Reverse stalinist editing of pictures, instead of removing one person, they add several.

I have to admit, I had a good laugh there. :thumbup:

(For the love of everything that lives, please tell me your joking, or this is the dumbest thing on the internet I have ever heard)

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

This thread delivers.

[Bright Banana Beard]

It seems Revleft is trying too hard to make Hoxhaism look bad or really love-hate us for trying to outsmart them. They have to make fun of us to be the winner of some sort of "sense of humor. "

[Lenina Rosenweg]

I haven't been in chit chat for a while so I missed this thread. What is the story concerning the Ecudoran Hoxhaists? As I understand they supported the attempted coup against Correa?

[Ismail]

I haven't been in chit chat for a while so I missed this thread. What is the story concerning the Ecudoran Hoxhaists? As I understand they supported the attempted coup against Correa?http://espressostalinist.wordpress.com/2011/02/18/clarity-on-the-marxist-leninist-hoxhaist%e2%80%9d-pcmle-and-mpd-position-on-ecuador/

The PCMLE/MPD denounce Correa as a pseudo-progressive neo-liberal who is on friendly terms with the USA. All the other "communist" parties in Ecuador seem to tail Correa's government. There is also the small PCMLV in Venezuela which is critical of Chávez, although not to the extent of the PCMLE/MPD against Correa.

The PCMLE just released a statement on the 30th, which can be read (Spanish alongside badly-translated English) here: http://www.pcmle.org/

As a note, I know of a Chilean communist who said one time that his Professor talked to him about communism, etc., and then asked if he was interested in joining Acción Proletaria, the pro-Hoxha party in Chile. Said communist was, well, shocked.

[Tifosi]

Yeah... A picture of modern Albania, with a pill box bunker in the foreground...?

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2425/3895486921_f78ae68e74.jpg

[Roach]

Thats actually a pretty nice picture.

[Tifosi]

Thats actually a pretty nice picture.

It is indeed. From Thethi National Park.

http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/480031/480031,1312832861,3/stock-photo-bunker-in-thethi-in-albania-82437733.jpg

[Susurrus]

The hills are aliiiiiiiiive, with the sight of bunkers....

[Tifosi]

The hills are aliiiiiiiiive, with the sight of bunkers....

You got the wrong end of the stick. This is a thread about the Prokletije mountain range.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4039/4306585725_67e9c1c80b.jpg

[ZeroNowhere]

It seems Revleft is trying too hard to make Hoxhaism look bad or really love-hate us for trying to outsmart them. They have to make fun of us to be the winner of some sort of "sense of humor. "
Well, yes, we try and nab some of yours, since they're no longer in use. It's a bit like an auction. They're a bit small, but they help with penetration. This way, when we require penetrating humours we may use them to a greater extent, albeit not much greater (still, this is Revleft, and with the residential low standards of humour a small increment can appear massive to some.)

[Ismail]

A 1988 Australian visitor to Albania noted that: "Vines had been planted on many of the slopes and atop each stake in each row of vines a bayonet had been fixed as a defence against invading parachutists."

So yeah, Albania was security-conscious. It's worth noting that until 1986 Greece was technically in a state of war with Albania, and until 1972 or so actively claimed that southern Albania belonged to it. Around the same time bunker construction began Albania saw the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia and withdrew from the Warsaw Pact in response.

Plus there was also this:

"The spillover from the Sino-Soviet conflict into Eastern Europe was evident almost immediately. In late 1960 and early 1961 the Albanian leader, Enver Hoxha, sparked a crisis with the Soviet Union by openly aligning his country with China, a precedent that caused alarm in Moscow. Quite apart from the symbolic implications of Hoxha's move, Khrushchev had always regarded Albania as a key member of the Warsaw Pact because of 'its superb strategic location on the Mediterranean Sea.' The rift with Yugoslavia in 1948 had eliminated the only other possible outlet for the Soviet navy in the region. To ensure that Albania could serve as a full-fledged 'military base on the Mediterranean Sea for all the socialist countries,' the Soviet Union had been providing extensive equipment and training to the Albanian army and navy. In particular, the Albanian navy had received a fleet of twelve modern attack submarines, which initially were under Soviet control but were gradually being transferred to Albanian jurisdiction. Khrushchev believed that the submarines would allow Albania to pose a 'serious threat to the operation of the NATO military bloc on the Mediterranean Sea,' and thus he was dismayed to find that Soviet efforts to establish a naval bulwark on the Mediterranean might all have been for naught.

As soon as the rift with Albania emerged, the Soviet Union imposed strict economic sanctions, withdrew all Soviet technicians and military advisers, took back eight of the twelve submarines, dismantled Soviet naval facilities at the Albanian port of Vlona, and engaged in bitter polemical exchanges with the Albanian leadership. Khrushchev also ordered Soviet warships to conduct maneuvers along the Albanian coast, and he secretly encouraged pro-Moscow rivals of Hoxha to carry out a coup. The coup attempt was rebuffed, and the other means of coercion proved insufficient to get rid of Hoxha or to bring about a change of policy. In December 1961, Khrushchev broke diplomatic relations with Albania and excluded it from both the Warsaw Pact and CMEA. However, he was unwilling to undertake a full-scale invasion to bring Albania back within the Soviet orbit, not least because of the logistical problems and the likelihood of confronting stiff armed resistance."
(Carole Fink, Philipp Gassert & Detlef Junker (Ed.). 1968: The World Transformed. New York: Cambridge University Press. 1998. pp. 117-119.)

[Искра]

He wrote that while hanging upside down of Enver Hoxha's statute :D

[Rafiq]

I have to admit, I had a good laugh there. :thumbup:

(For the love of everything that lives, please tell me your joking, or this is the dumbest thing on the internet I have ever heard)

No I'm totally serious.

Did you know Hoxha had no friends so he edited in pictures of famous American actors to make himself look cool?

[Nox]

http://www.treehugger.com/mushroom-hotel.jpg

[Susurrus]

http://www.treehugger.com/mushroom-hotel.jpg

I already posted this. In this thread.

[The Man]

No I'm totally serious.

Did you know Hoxha had no friends so he edited in pictures of famous American actors to make himself look cool?

This isn't about Hoxha.

Do you really think that members of the PCMLE are actually photoshoping their pictures to make it look like there are more members? I can say that about anything else too.

As a last line of defense against Marxism-Leninism, we all must claim that they photoshop all of their modern photos. This will wreck the ideology.

Not even a Trotskyist would say something so ridiculous like that.

[Susurrus]

Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Hoxha, and Mao never existed. They're all just photoshops by capitalists to tie the left down in tendency wars.

[Искра]

Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Hoxha, and Mao never existed. They're all just photoshops by capitalists to tie the left down in tendency wars.
That's true only Tito was real.

Tito - partija - omladina -akcija! :star2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNiKehghp48

Usatajte prezreni na svijetu....

[Rafiq]

This isn't about Hoxha.

Do you really think that members of the PCMLE are actually photoshoping their pictures to make it look like there are more members? I can say that about anything else too.

As a last line of defense against Marxism-Leninism, we all must claim that they photoshop all of their modern photos. This will wreck the ideology.

Not even a Trotskyist would say something so ridiculous like that.

Did you actually think I really thought that hoxhaists Photoshop their pictures to make themselves look like they have more members? If you haven't noticed it's Chit Chat.

You need to chill out. If I was arguing against Marxism Leninism, it would be much more concrete than a few jokes and friendly jabs.

[Ismail]

"Friendly jabs"? You've called Hoxha an enemy of the international proletariat for opposing the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. You've actually called him reactionary, as in, that he was never progressive.

Kinda hard to take you seriously after that.

[Susurrus]

Kinda hard to take you seriously after that.

Missing the point, I see.

[Ismail]

Missing the point, I see.The point of what? Saying that Hoxha was basically an enemy of all mankind in the History forum?

[Susurrus]

The point of what? Saying that Hoxha was basically an enemy of all mankind in the History forum?

This is not the history forum. This is Chit-Chat, bane of all things serious.

[Ismail]

This is not the history forum. This is Chit-Chat, bane of all things serious.Except he said it in the History forum, which was my point.

[Nox]

I already posted this. In this thread.

It's better if it's posted by a M-L

[Savage]

It seems Revleft is trying too hard to make Hoxhaism look bad or really love-hate us for trying to outsmart them. They have to make fun of us to be the winner of some sort of "sense of humor. "

well to be fair, the original post of this thread was actually something that a revleft hoxhaist said

[NoOneIsIllegal]

It seems Revleft is trying too hard to make Hoxhaism look bad or really love-hate us for trying to outsmart them. They have to make fun of us to be the winner of some sort of "sense of humor. "
lol wut dat

[Tifosi]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3477/3271686600_a7f31e6231.jpg

Hoxha photoshoped 2 other bunkers out of this picture. So the invading revisionists would walk into a deadly trap.

[Gustav HK]

No, they are right there, behind the forest.

[Rafiq]

"Friendly jabs"? You've called Hoxha an enemy of the international proletariat for opposing the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. You've actually called him reactionary, as in, that he was never progressive.

Kinda hard to take you seriously after that.

Youre offended for someyhing i said about hoxha. An insult to master hoxha is an insult to you?

[NoOneIsIllegal]

Hoxha was a social democrat at best.























http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/archive/7/73/20110401033803!Trollface.png

[matevz91]

Regarding Albania there's funny post-yugoslav movie called Karaula (eng. Border Post). Movie is about young solider who's doctor and who's helping his comander in curing his syphilis (and later he's fucking his comadners wife). Comadner can't admit that he has a syphilis, which is a reason why he is isolated in the midle of the nowhere and no body can go there but his troops, so he said that Alabanians are trying to attack Yugoslavia which caused paranoia within his troops :D funny, comedy... and a lot of jokes on Hoxha's account....

You mean this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmPQjwh1-NU :thumbup1::thumbup1::lol:

[Tomhet]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3477/3271686600_a7f31e6231.jpg

Hoxha photoshoped 2 other bunkers out of this picture. So the invading revisionists would walk into a deadly trap.

Beautiful scenery!

[Ismail]

Youre offended for someyhing i said about hoxha. An insult to master hoxha is an insult to you?If you called Lenin or Stalin "enemies of the international proletariat" I'd not regard those as "friendly jabs" either.

[Rafiq]

Are you really going to be personally offended because someone is insulting political figures? Both Hoxha and Stalin were enemies of the international proletariat.

You find that offensive? Plus, I didn't even say that in Chit Chat, I said it in the history forum. Are you politically insecure?

[NoOneIsIllegal]

Ismail scares me sometimes. Takes "great leaders" way too seriously, to a personal level.

[Sam Varriano]

Rofl

[Искра]

You mean this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmPQjwh1-NU :thumbup1::thumbup1::lol:

YES :lol::lol::lol:

Translation: "Shoot now! Shoot now! Let Enver Hoxha fucks your mother! Motherfuckers!" :D hahahahha

[Ismail]

Both Hoxha and Stalin were enemies of the international proletariat. Why don't you extend this to Lenin as well? He was the one who clamped down on left-communist ("orthodox Marxist") factions within the Party. Logically you should oppose Lenin as an "enemy" about as much as Stalin and Hoxha. In Molotov Remembers Molotov notes that Lenin actually chided Stalin on some occasions for being too "liberal."


Ismail scares me sometimes. Takes "great leaders" way too seriously, to a personal level.No, it simply signifies that someone is not making a "friendly jab." Rafiq viciously attacking Hoxha for not supporting the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan and calling him a "reactionary piece of shit" as a result is not "friendly" or a "jab."

[Susurrus]

Why don't you extend this to Lenin as well?

Gladly. Lenin was, in his actions, an enemy of the international proletariat.

[Ismail]

Gladly. Lenin was, in his actions, an enemy of the international proletariat.At least you'd be consistent.

[Dzerzhinsky's Ghost]

Why don't you extend this to Lenin as well? He was the one who clamped down on left-communist ("orthodox Marxist") factions within the Party. Logically you should oppose Lenin as an "enemy" about as much as Stalin and Hoxha. In Molotov Remembers Molotov notes that Lenin actually chided Stalin on some occasions for being too "liberal."

I really wish I could thank you for pointing this out.

[Искра]

I wish I could buy you all a sense of a humor in H&M, but I don't have that much money.

[Rafiq]

Why don't you extend this to Lenin as well? He was the one who clamped down on left-communist ("orthodox Marxist") factions within the Party. Logically you should oppose Lenin as an "enemy" about as much as Stalin and Hoxha. In Molotov Remembers Molotov notes that Lenin actually chided Stalin on some occasions for being too "liberal."

No, it simply signifies that someone is not making a "friendly jab." Rafiq viciously attacking Hoxha for not supporting the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan and calling him a "reactionary piece of shit" as a result is not "friendly" or a "jab."



Stalin was too liberal. The least of my criticism was that he was 'too harsh'. Lenin wasnt perfect but he sure as hell wasn't as much of a reactionary as Hoxha was.

[Tifosi]

Beautiful scenery!

http://thevelvetrocket.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/albania-bunkers1.jpg

http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/28516879.jpg

http://www.mariusztravel.com/zdjecia/albania/12_albania_bunkry.JPG

http://home.online.no/~pernoll/Route7/Alb_bunker.jpg

Albania does look beautiful.

[Ismail]

Lenin wasnt perfect but he sure as hell wasn't as much of a reactionary as Hoxha was."Dissoluteness in sexual life is bourgeois, is a phenomenon of decay. The proletariat is a rising class. It doesn't need intoxication as a narcotic or a stimulus. Intoxication as little by sexual exaggeration as by alcohol. It must not and shall not forget; forget the shame, the filth, the savagery of capitalism... And if harmful tendencies are appearing, creeping over from bourgeois society into the world of revolution—as the roots of many weeds spread—it is better to combat them early." (Clara Zetkin, Reminiscences of Lenin, pp. 50-51.)

And: http://www.mcg-j.org/english/e-theory/lenin/Lenin-4.html

Many believe that Lenin's views on sex were "puritanical."

I don't see how Hoxha was a reactionary.

[Iraultzaile Ezkerreko]

The Great Leader Enver Hoxha has taught us all that "humor" is bourgeois deviationism.

[Искра]

Many believe that Lenin's views on sex were "puritanical."

I don't see how Hoxha was a reactionary.

But SHE said that you can have an abortion and you could.

http://www.marxists.org/archive/kollonta/main.jpg

She said women are equal to man and they were. But what happened?!

http://media.englishrussia.com/new_rainbow/rainbow_stalin_by_vash10887.jpg

Dear Bukharin, before I kill you I have to tell you something. These fucking women with their fucking abortions and rights pisses me off. I wanna show them where's their place - in the fuckin' kitchen. And those gay people... Jesus fuckin' Christ... they are bad people and they'll ruin COMMUNISM. Now - I kill you. And women. And gay people. And evil Jews who wanna poison me.

[Rafiq]

"Dissoluteness in sexual life is bourgeois, is a phenomenon of decay. The proletariat is a rising class. It doesn't need intoxication as a narcotic or a stimulus. Intoxication as little by sexual exaggeration as by alcohol. It must not and shall not forget; forget the shame, the filth, the savagery of capitalism... And if harmful tendencies are appearing, creeping over from bourgeois society into the world of revolution—as the roots of many weeds spread—it is better to combat them early." (Clara Zetkin, Reminiscences of Lenin, pp. 50-51.)

And: http://www.mcg-j.org/english/e-theory/lenin/Lenin-4.html

Many believe that Lenin's views on sex were "puritanical."

I don't see how Hoxha was a reactionary.

Your post had absolutely nothing to do with mine.

You just tried to say that Lenin didn't like the Idea of fucking a lot.

Hoxha was literally a reactionary, not only socially conservative. He wanted to return to a previous state of affairs.

[Ismail]

Hoxha was literally a reactionary, not only socially conservative. He wanted to return to a previous state of affairs.You're full of shit. Women had unprecedented access to public life. A feudal code that permitted blood feuds was suppressed. Gigantic gains in literacy, education and health care were made. "Sodomy" and "unnatural relations" between women (but not men) were explicitly tolerated, even. Not to mention that Albania was the only country in history to completely outlaw all forms of religion, both in public and private life.

If you gauge "social conservatism" in East Europe 30-60 years ago as being entirely confined to what people in a country at large thought about homosexuality then you're going to look foolish.

[Dzerzhinsky's Ghost]

I wish I could buy you all a sense of a humor in H&M, but I don't have that much money.

Laughter is bourgeois decadence and musn't be tolerated.

[Rafiq]

You're full of shit. Women had unprecedented access to public life. A feudal code that permitted blood feuds was suppressed. Gigantic gains in literacy, education and health care were made. "Sodomy" and "unnatural relations" between women (but not men) were explicitly tolerated, even. Not to mention that Albania was the only country in history to completely outlaw all forms of religion, both in public and private life.

If you gauge "social conservatism" in East Europe 30-60 years ago as being entirely confined to what people in a country at large thought about homosexuality then you're going to look foolish.

You're just throwing things that have nothing to do with the conversation.

If you were truly a Materialist you'd know that, from a scientific point of view, Hoxha was a reactionary because he wanted to return to a previous state of affairs, no matter how 'progressive' his policy on social life was (Also, banning religion in Private life isn't necessarily progressive, it's kind of dumb actually.)

You're the one full of shit.

[Ismail]

Hoxha was a reactionary because he wanted to return to a previous state of affairsWhat previous state of affairs? Feudalism? Tribalism (which existed in the north)? The bits of capitalism that existed in the cities? Fascist occupation? The monarchy of King Zog I? The bourgeois-democratic government of Fan S. Noli (which was in any case more progressive than anything else I just mentioned)?

There were 200 workers in all Albania at the time of independence in 1912. The number was about 7000 by the time the Italians invaded in 1939, in a population of about 1.3 million. By the 1980's industry accounted for like 40% of the GDP. Rather hard to see how that is a "return to a previous state of affairs."

You're literally full of shit. It was impossible for Hoxha to "return to a previous state of affairs." Albania was the poorest and most backwards country in Europe. Life expectancy at the time the Communists took power in 1944 was 38. Modern-day Swaziland has the world's lowest life expectancy at 39.