Some people...

[ВАЛТЕР]

I had a discussion with some folks on facebook about communism. Their misconceptions and religious fanaticism just pisses me off.

http://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l486/DasIstValter/communism-2.png

[TheGodlessUtopian]

Same here, it is like arguing with a brick wall....though at least with a brick wall you will actually feel something which resembles intelligence.

[Stork]

Do these people get all their understanding of Marxist economics from "in Soviet Russia..." jokes?

[Catmatic Leftist]

The racism/sexism/homophobia littered on my facebook page is UNBELIEVABLE, and I used to comment on every one, but then they just make lame excuses for themselves to cover for their ignorance. They play the victim and make it look like they were the one who got attacked. Serious persecution complex some of them have. And only a few were sorry, the rest scream "ZOMG PC POLICE"; it's annoying. Sometimes it's just not worth the headache. You should pick your battles wisely.

[Leonid Brozhnev]

I keep off Facebook these days. During the London riots I had an insane amount of friends, some I thought were reasonable and even some sympathetic to socialism, joining groups like 'Hang chav scum' 'Get the army involved' etc etc... as much as I wanted to shout and scream at them about material conditions or whatever, I just decided not to visit the site any more. Not like I'll miss daily status updates about how much ones toilet smells like cherries.

[freethinker]

Anonymous is going to destroy Facebook :o

[DarkPast]

What I find interesting is that these people are aware that capitalism doesn't work. That's the first step. Now if only they'd give Marx a chance...

[TheGodlessUtopian]

What I find interesting is that these people are aware that capitalism doesn't work. That's the first step. Now if only they'd give Marx a chance...

I too find this sentiment interesting: people say that capitalism doesn't work, yet they still remain so hostile towards revolutionary movements.Why? This baffles me a lot.One could say propaganda but that still doesn't explain why they hate capitalism if bourgeois propaganda is the source of their resentment towards socialism.Accordingly they should uphold capitalism alongside hating socialism but such is not the case.

[Nox]

I keep off Facebook these days. During the London riots I had an insane amount of friends, some I thought were reasonable and even some sympathetic to socialism, joining groups like 'Hang chav scum' 'Get the army involved' etc etc... as much as I wanted to shout and scream at them about material conditions or whatever, I just decided not to visit the site any more. Not like I'll miss daily status updates about how much ones toilet smells like cherries.

Haha, I was joining groups like "The legend who stole a pack of tesco value bismati rice" :D

[DarkPast]

I too find this sentiment interesting: people say that capitalism doesn't work, yet they still remain so hostile towards revolutionary movements.Why? This baffles me a lot.One could say propaganda but that still doesn't explain why they hate capitalism if bourgeois propaganda is the source of their resentment towards socialism.Accordingly they should uphold capitalism alongside hating socialism but such is not the case.

Pessimistic apathy perhaps? They know the system is bad, but think that a revolution will not help (bourgeois propaganda helps foster these feelings), since "communism failed" with the collapse of the East Bloc (the media often calls this "the fall of communism"). So they turn to opiates and distractions (religion, drugs, tv whatever) or look for some sort of "saviour" (a prophet, or nationalist strongman for example). The latter is connected with the worrying increase in the popularity of organizations such as the BNP.

Also some of them may be unhappy with their lives, but also unwilling to risk what they do have (e.g. they have a crappy job, but they're afraid that, if they try organizing, they'll be fired).

[a rebel]

I too find this sentiment interesting: people say that capitalism doesn't work, yet they still remain so hostile towards revolutionary movements.Why? This baffles me a lot.One could say propaganda but that still doesn't explain why they hate capitalism if bourgeois propaganda is the source of their resentment towards socialism.Accordingly they should uphold capitalism alongside hating socialism but such is not the case.

I know what you mean, I think it's just that most people never really thought to question the order of things. Capitalism is what they know, it's what they've grown up with and the thought of destroying that system scares them.

[Le Socialiste]

I've found Facebook too depressing to be on lately, so I largely steer clear of it. Having a debate on Facebook only leads to frustration - people are going to believe what they want to believe on there. And plenty of them happen to believe all the myths and stories about the "failure" of communism, to the point in which they think it and the USSR were/are synonymous.

[ВАЛТЕР]

I wasn't even trying to convert them or anything. I was just trying to explain to them what communism ACTUALLY is and show them that they have a false representation of it. Yet these morons just ignored everything I said...Then this idiot comes along and tries to tell me Islam is the solution...wtf

[Susurrus]

I made a thread like this recently too. Some people are really just sad.

http://www.revleft.com/vb/another-amusing-depressing-t161688/index.html

[Pretty Flaco]

I didn't realize people used facebook for serious discussion

[ВАЛТЕР]

The guy who posted the original statement is more of a news source rather than a typical profile. He posts stories and news on his wall and lets his friends debate on it and whatnot. He is rather left leaning and very anti-imperialistic, as are many of the people who friend him. However, sometimes you get extremists from the Arab world on there and I'm an idiot for even wasting my time, but I have a problem where I jump at every perceived injustice like a madman...

[Threetune]

What I find interesting is that these people are aware that capitalism doesn't work. That's the first step. Now if only they'd give Marx a chance...

If you’re going to intervene in the class struggle in any meaningful way, YOU have to take responsibility for learning and teaching – as does every other worker on the planet..

I personaly recomend starting with Lenin. Easy to read and just the best revolutionary that that ever drew breth.

[Catmatic Leftist]

If you’re going to intervene in the class struggle in any meaningful way, YOU have to take responsibility for learning and teaching – as does every other worker on the planet..

I personaly recomend starting with Lenin. Easy to read and just the best revolutionary that that ever drew breth.

lol

[Rusty Shackleford]

Facebook is useful. It is also a waste of time.

Synthesize it, Bob Avakian!

[thefinalmarch]

Not like I'll miss daily status updates about how much ones toilet smells like cherries.
But what else is there to live for?

[Kornilios Sunshine]

It is pointless to argue with them.I bet that what they say is what mommy and daddy told them.They can't even form their own opinion.You can see the human level of those people.

[thefinalmarch]

I didn't realize people used facebook for serious discussion
Actually I was commenting on someone's entirely non-political status, then for some reason it developed into a serious discussion during which I discovered that the person I was talking to was a class struggle anarchist. Trufax.

[Hexen]

I personaly recomend starting with Lenin. Easy to read and just the best revolutionary that that ever drew breth.

Actually, I would recommend just reading the source material which is Marx & Engels and ignoring Lenin and the others (Stalin, Trotsky, Mao, etc) since their the ones who actually ruined and damaged the reputation of Marxism which became a sitting duck for bourgeoisie propaganda which is resulting the majority of the ignorance we're witnessing here.

[Catmatic Leftist]

Actually, I would recommend just reading the source material which is Marx & Engels and ignoring Lenin and the others (Stalin, Trotsky, Mao, etc) since their the ones who actually ruined and damaged the reputation of Marxism which became a sitting duck for bourgeoisie propaganda which is resulting the majority of the ignorance we're witnessing here.

No, you need to read and understand them from a historic standpoint and analyze what works and what doesn't, what went right and what went wrong, and then explain accordingly. We need to show people how it's still relevant TODAY, and how we can move forward. I don't see the point of refusing to own up to our actions.

[Hexen]

No, you need to read and understand them from a historic standpoint and analyze what works and what doesn't, what went right and what went wrong, and then explain accordingly. We need to show people how it's still relevant TODAY, and how we can move forward. I don't see the point of refusing to own up to our actions.

My main point that Lenin targeted a feudal agricultural society instead of a industrial society (like Britain, Germany, Belgium, etc) like Marx suggested. Also Lenin was a revisionist.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

My main point that Lenin targeted a feudal agricultural society instead of a industrial society (like Britain, Germany, Belgium, etc) like Marx suggested. Also Lenin was a revisionist.

Did the term "revisionist" even exist when Lenin was active in writing? :confused:

I thought it was something which came a bit later.

[Catmatic Leftist]

Some guy on facebook wrote:


Soooo the giant group of black kids at *** who think theyre hard and ghetto as fuck and blast the shittiest music anyone has ever witnessed, definitely top the charts of most annoying thing in the world.

I responded:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-TCBKxTmpKD8/TWiLUhCRYXI/AAAAAAAAACM/0tPfs-G9QCw/s1600/5184560031_69c342380d_b_funny.jpg

...Immediately got a bunch of likes.

Felt pretty good. :)

[ZeroNowhere]

Is reading some Lenin becoming Threetune's equivalent of Psy's revolutionary army?

In any case, I'm not sure that threads for complaining about how people disagree with you on the internet belong on the Politics board.

[Susurrus]

My main point that Lenin targeted a feudal agricultural society instead of a industrial society (like Britain, Germany, Belgium, etc) like Marx suggested. Also Lenin was a revisionist.

A. that's definitely not Lenin's biggest problem, and B. it happened to have a worker's revolution, what would you have him do?

[Rusty Shackleford]

Also Lenin was a revisionist.
Are you some sort of warp-speed wormhole space and time defying Hoxhaist?

[#FF0000]

i pretty much just call people i know "dumb animals" on the regular over facebook and they think I am joking but i'm not~

[#FF0000]

My main point that Lenin targeted a feudal agricultural society instead of a industrial society (like Britain, Germany, Belgium, etc) like Marx suggested.

That was not the problem with Lenin. That was a good move on his part, especially considering the position Russia was in.


Also Lenin was a revisionist.

So what literally every communist at that time, bruh. Luxembourg? Yeah.