Socially Conservative Communists...

[tir1944]

...What do you think of Communists who are socially conservative?

[tfb]

I think there was a thread recently (maybe one that's still being posted in) about this, and most people agreed that it's impossible to be a Communist and socially conservative, while some people said that it's OK as long as it's not a dangerous kind of social conservatism. So I'm guessing what they mean is that being racist, sexist, etc. would be out, but maybe it would be alright to... get all huffy about people not dressing in a way you think is proper? be personally against abortion while still leaving the choice to women?

[deLarge]

It depends on what you mean by socially conservative. If supporting strong family units, abstinence until marriage, etc makes one a conservative, then I think it is possible to also be a communist. But not if that conservatism also includes, for example, racism or sexism.

[Agent Ducky]

I knew a guy who called himself a communist, and he had all these weird positions that kinda resembled social conservativism. Like he said he supported gay rights, but then he complained about how he couldn't stand effeminate men. I was so confused. O_o.

[Tommy4ever]

There doesn't really seem to be any reason whatsoever why someone cannot hold socially conservative views (short of racism and sexism), except for the fact most leftists don't like them. Which isn't really a good reason at all.

[Nox]

If someone wants to live their life in a conservative way that's their choice.

But when they expect society to transform to match their conservative beliefs, they can fook off.

[The Douche]

I guess in some ways I am socially conservative, I don't like drugs much and don't do them, I don't particularly like lazy people, or people who abuse social welfare programs, I resent people who don't get jobs when they're capable, and there are jobs available.

I don't particularly enjoy the company of effeminate men (none of my gay friends happen to be effeminate). I tend to be pretty off-put by young girls and definitely hold a suspicious view of most any girl I meet, as opposed to men.

Some of these things are problematic and I can realize that they are the result of growing up as a cisgender male in a patriarchal society, and I have to keep my privilege in check, and be open to critiscism on it, but I don't think there is anything wrong with other things.

[EvilRedGuy]

Who cares we'll restrict them.

[The Douche]

Who cares we'll restrict them.

Are you gonna be so quick to call for restriction when people come calling for yours?

Mr. "Gay people choose to be gay."

[Smyg]

Clarify the meaning of 'socially conservative' in this case, please.

[Susurrus]

I don't particularly like lazy people, or people who abuse social welfare programs, I resent people who don't get jobs when they're capable, and there are jobs available.

I think this is more of a universal view rather than a conservative one.

[The Douche]

I think this is more of a universal view rather than a conservative one.

I think you'll find that there are plenty of people on here, and in the movement in general who see nothing wrong with "milking the system" for all its worth.

[Devrim]

I think you'll find that there are plenty of people on here, and in the movement in general who see nothing wrong with "milking the system" for all its worth.

Personally, I have always worked since I was 15. I don't see there as being anything wrong with people being on the dole though, and can quite understand why some people do it rather than take some awful job, which doesn't pay that much more.

Devrim

[RHIZOMES]

Depends on the culture. It is not ethically or theoretically correct/consistent anywhere, but it depends on how much access you have to those ideas for how excusable it is. You have no excuse to be a socially conservative communist in societies where there is a sufficiently large proliferation of anti-homophobic, anti-transphobic, anti-sexism and anti-racism politics. But there should always be a struggle for more enlightened social consciousnesses everywhere.


Personally, I have always worked since I was 15. I don't see there as being anything wrong with people being on the dole though, and can quite understand why some people do it rather than take some awful job, which doesn't pay that much more.

Devrim

Also this.

[Devrim]

Depends on the culture. It is not ethically or theoretically correct/consistent anywhere, but it depends on how much access you have to those ideas for how excusable it is. You have no excuse to be a socially conservative communist in societies where there is a sufficiently large proliferation of anti-homophobic, anti-transphobic, anti-sexism and anti-racism politics. But there should always be a struggle for more enlightened social consciousnesses everywhere.

I suppose it depends by what you mean by 'socially conservative'. There are many people who I know who I think are good communists who are 'uncomfortable' with homosexuality. I remember some of them being a bit 'freaked out' upon discovering that a friend of mine was gay.

It is difficult for people to alter years of social conditioning. However, there is no excuse for communists, whatever their feelings, for not believing that all people of any race or sexuality, are equal, regardless of where they live.

Devrim

[The Douche]

I understand why people abuse social programs. But I'm never going to think its ok. Ultimately, I have worked full time since I was young, and I pay taxes, which goes to those social programs, and thats fine with me, because even though I have never used these programs, I know that one day I might need to, and that they will be available to me.

But they're not there just so you can live an easy life instead of having a job. I was raised to be a hard worker/be proud of myself, so abusing social programs (especially when I know there are others who need these programs) is totally incoherent with my personality.

Meanwhile I have friends who go for a year or more without so much as applying for a job, and living in other people's houses, getting food stamps, getting unemployment etc, and then spend all their time/money getting drunk, doing drugs, and going to see bands.

[Nox]

I understand why people abuse social programs. But I'm never going to think its ok. Ultimately, I have worked full time since I was young, and I pay taxes, which goes to those social programs, and thats fine with me, because even though I have never used these programs, I know that one day I might need to, and that they will be available to me.

If my current plan for life doesn't work, I'll just milk the welfare system! :D


But they're not there just so you can live an easy life instead of having a job. I was raised to be a hard worker/be proud of myself, so abusing social programs (especially when I know there are others who need these programs) is totally incoherent with my personality.

I'd work hard too if I actually received the fruits of my labour rather than my money going to some bourgeois guy and helping hold up the capitalist system.


Meanwhile I have friends who go for a year or more without so much as applying for a job, and living in other people's houses, getting food stamps, getting unemployment etc, and then spend all their time/money getting drunk, doing drugs, and going to see bands.

That's the life :cool:

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

I find it hard to be outraged over "welfare bums" when:

A) Working fucking sucks under capitalism.

B) Sociopathic shits get paid millions to ruin peoples' lives. No benefits cheat has ever caused as much misery as commodity speculators and financial institutions.

C) No economy in history has ever suffered as a result of benefits/welfare - it's always been financial bullfuckery that's been the cause.

Also, I wonder if those folk who are hard on "welfare bums" seriously imagine that in the absence of welfare, such folk would be doing anything productive anyway. Someone who takes the apparent opportunity offered by welfare to be lazy doesn't strike me as the sort of person with a great work ethic in the first place.

[Niccolò Rossi]

What do I think of them? They're people I don't really have much of an interest in knowing personally, put it that way. I don't choose my friends on a political basis, in fact I don't have any close friends who are communists or even political in any way. I do, however, like associating people who share my social values and outlooks on life.

Nic.

[Angry Young Man]

That they're boring. If your convictions are true, fair play, but if you take away my MDMA and anal sex, you're fucking dead.

[EvilRedGuy]

Are you gonna be so quick to call for restriction when people come calling for yours?

Mr. "Gay people choose to be gay."


Yes we are, and you should be restricted too you fucking fascist.

[EvilRedGuy]

I find it hard to be outraged over "welfare bums" when:

A) Working fucking sucks under capitalism.

B) Sociopathic shits get paid millions to ruin peoples' lives. No benefits cheat has ever caused as much misery as commodity speculators and financial institutions.

C) No economy in history has ever suffered as a result of benefits/welfare - it's always been financial bullfuckery that's been the cause.

Also, I wonder if those folk who are hard on "welfare bums" seriously imagine that in the absence of welfare, such folk would be doing anything productive anyway. Someone who takes the apparent opportunity offered by welfare to be lazy doesn't strike me as the sort of person with a great work ethic in the first place.

Exactly, im gonna keep staying as a lumpen-proletariat-welfare-bum-whatever and i hope everyone else will do it too instead of working, fuck the economy let everything, atleast i use my time to educate/organise instead of working. WELFARE = AWESOME. FUCK YOU GUYS.

[Angry Young Man]

I would give you a fat-off kiss right now if I could.

[The Douche]

Like I said, I understand why people don't want to work.


Doesn't mean I like that I am paying for them. Doesn't mean I'm saying we should cut social benefits or anything. Doesn't mean I think the standard of living on welfare is to high.

[EvilRedGuy]

Why should i work for a corporation where i have no power in what gets created and democratic workplace!

Let them force the work out of us, those capitalist bastards!

[Devrim]

Like I said, I understand why people don't want to work.

Doesn't mean I like that I am paying for them.

Er...You are not.

Devrim

[Commissar Rykov]

Er...You are not.

Devrim
Indeed, Unemployment in the USA comes out of the employer's pocket and thus is worth milking to the very fucking end.

[Misanthrope]

Incompatible ideologies. In order to achieve communism our social structures need to change drastically which would change culture.. ect.

[Die Rote Fahne]

Indeed, Unemployment in the USA comes out of the employer's pocket and thus is worth milking to the very fucking end.

Unemployment =/= social assistance (welfare).

[Commissar Rykov]

Unemployment =/= social assistance (welfare).
No shit but he was *****ing about Unemployment as well please read what he was ranting about as he stated Unemployment and Welfare.

[tir1944]

Just asking,who gets banned on Revleft?
Fascists,racists,homophobes etc... but who else?
Are,for example,Nationalists banned?