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Kamil
28th September 2011, 08:38
Damn it I did a similar thread once before but it didnt go anywhere. I want to know specific concrete shit about Ceausescu, his policies and ideology. Can someone PLEASE give me some details about what the hell a multilatterally developed socialist society is? Ismail helped me out a lil bit the last time but id like to know where I can find his speeches and writings. Dont give me any shit here Im just trying to learn. I want to know whatever I can about the theoretical basis of Ceausescu's activity, i understand that basically no one here likes him but I just want to know what the particular doctrines of "Ceausescuism" were

citizen of industry
28th September 2011, 10:54
Google search lands me "Protochronism": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protochronism

For a 'multilatterally developed socialist society" you'd have to read :
Programme of the Romanian Communist Party for the building of the multilaterally developed socialist society and Romania's advance toward communism : [adopted by the XI'th Congress of the R.C.P. / foreword by Nicolae Ceausecu]

But I couldn't find a free one on the net.

Someone's blog: http://alina_stefanescu.typepad.com/romania_revealed/2009/03/protochronism-and-the-ceausescu-regime-creating-a-culture-of-national-socialism.html

Something I've read before about him from Freakonomics: http://freakonomicsbook.com/freakonomics/chapter-excerpts/chapter-4/

Found his speeches and writings but you have to buy them, I couldn't find anything free: http://www.abebooks.com/9780851242354/Nicolae-Ceausescu-Speeches-Writings-Newens-0851242359/plp

For speeches look up the "July Theses." Here is his final speech: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU53qv5aA1M

You said not to give you any shit, but I have a Romanian coworker who lived there under his reign and despises him. Because of that she hates anything associated with socialism, even trade unions. So it must have been bad. And everything I've read so far seems nuts.

Couldn't find any particular doctrines from google except that at first he was open to the west but then he wasn't and emphasized nationalism.

Probably that doesn't help you much, so I guess you'll just have to order a book or two.

Ismail
28th September 2011, 11:46
This was the original thread: http://www.revleft.com/vb/ceausescu-final-showdown-t158121/index.html?t=158121


You said not to give you any shit, but I have a Romanian coworker who lived there under his reign and despises him. Because of that she hates anything associated with socialism, even trade unions. So it must have been bad. And everything I've read so far seems nuts.The big problem with Ceaușescu from a "practical" standpoint (ignoring his opportunist foreign policy) is that the 1980's was a time wherein he decided to faithfully implement the resolute doctrines of IMFism and initiated a severe austerity program that even the IMF itself criticized around 1988 or so. At the same time the 1980's had widespread corruption and the economy was doing terribly as a weird and totally self-serving personality cult (think Brezhnev's rather subtle one in the USSR that no one took seriously, just blown up to a level slightly below Kim Il Sung's) took hold.

Kamil
28th September 2011, 16:41
Im gunna get the books and see whats up, thanks Sailor!

Susurrus
29th September 2011, 06:01
Something I've heard is that he basically separated himself from the rest of society to the point that everything was perfect in his mind while he lived in a palace, whereas for the people everything was going to hell.

Delenda Carthago
29th September 2011, 09:44
Ceausescu was a revizionist socialfascist. There is no point defending him against anybody. He had nothing to do with the real socialist movement of Romania, which highlighted to people like Ana Pauker. I ll try to find sources in english and if I will, I ll post them later.

Die Neue Zeit
30th September 2011, 04:46
Besides what others have said above succinctly, the only institutional framework of interest was the setup of a Political Executive Committee (Polexco) and a Polexco Permanent Bureau, such that the former was a rump Central Committee, and that both were like Stalin's late party leadership reorganization in 1952 (CC Presidium and CC Presidium Bureau).