lil wayne appreciation thread

[scarletghoul]

He is the best.
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no hatin

[Rising Sun]

He's shit.

[Le Rouge]

still better than dubstep.

[scarletghoul]

still better than dubstep.
dubstep was alright; would have been interesting to see what would have happened had the ussr not intervened and he had been able to fully carry out his reforms. possibly czechoslovakia would have collapsed into liberal capitalism, but i dont think we can write off the possibility of a more democratic form of socialism emerging

[bricolage]

where's bailey when you need him?

[thriller]

I really like Lil Wayne pre-09. Once he got auto-tuned, I turned off his new stuff. But Green and Yellow is my jam yo! "y'all n****s cheesewhiz!"

(Obviously quoting Lil Wayne, so don't dare call me racist)

[The Jay]

Are you talking about the guy who sang, "you look better with a bag on" as a serious seductive song? How about when he said, "there are way too many people here right now that I did not know last year, who are they?" He got arrested for possession of automatic weapons when he could have just hired a hit man right? He's an idiot.

[scarletghoul]

i dont get it, why doesnt everyone love him

[The Jay]

I didn't get the sarcasm bud, my bad. :)

[L.A.P.]

i dont get it, why doesnt everyone love him

Hipsters. And music elitists who claim they have so much knowledge of music yet seem to think Lil Wayne's whole catalogue was between 2009-now (Tha Carter IV was pretty good though). Just look at the idiot above your post who names off lines that aren't even by Lil Wayne as examples of how shitty he is.

I swear to god, if I see another user post a leaked song or post-2009 auto-tune mixtape song as why he sucks I'm going to reach through the computer and ring their neck.

[Aspiring Humanist]

]Hipsters. And music elitists[/B] who claim they have so much knowledge of music yet seem to think Lil Wayne's whole catalogue was between 2009-now (Tha Carter IV was pretty good though). Just look at the idiot above your post who names off lines that aren't even by Lil Wayne as examples of how shitty he is.

I swear to god, if I see another user post a leaked song or post-2009 auto-tune mixtape song as why he sucks I'm going to reach through the computer and ring their neck.


How dare you disagree with me, opinions don't exist you're a hipster/music elitist!

Fuck off I don't like Lil Wayne because his rhymes are laughable and he has no flow, not because I'm a hipster or a music elitist.

He just sucks.

[The Jay]

You would wring my neck for disagreeing with you about music? On top of that, do you give him credit for stealing guillie da kid's style and lyrics?

[pax et aequalitas]

My friend once told me this hilarious joke:

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As you can imagine that was one of the best laughs I had in quite some time

[L.A.P.]

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[scarletghoul]

I didn't get the sarcasm bud, my bad. :)
wasnt sarcasm haha.

Anyway I guess he is an acuired taste for some. imo he's a great lyricist/poet, i can just chill out and listen to his words, its fun.

[L.A.P.]

You would wring my neck for disagreeing with you about music?

You obviosuly didn't read the post.


On top of that, do you give him credit for stealing guillie da kid's style and lyrics?

You actually believe that? No one but a bunch of 12 year old youtube "haters" (for lack of a better term) actually ever took that attention-seeker seriously. His old music had this deep voice flow, it wasn't until he left Cash Money when he started to sound a bit similar to Lil Wayne. If anything, Lil Wayne probably ghostwrote for him especailly since Lil Wayne has ghostwrote for quite a few other rappers.

[L.A.P.]

wah wah wah I'm offended

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[The Jay]

That's what people I know who DO like him say, but I personally couldn't care less who actually wrote it. He's a good performer, but I don't think he makes enough sense to be considered an artist. Mostly, what I hear when listening to his stuff is: i make more money than you, i take your women, i sell drugs, i do drugs, i participate in scams and other activities that victimize people, and i kill people. That may not be all that he says, but it's a large part of it.:)

[Agnapostate]

He's a fake Blood.

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Him and Rick Ross are the most materialistic rappers in the game right now, I think, which is why a socialist rapper should attack both of them as fakes, Lil Wayne as a fake Blood that's scared (and who accidentally shot himself, on a side note), as seen here, and Rick Ross as a fake gangster and former corrections officer who tried to lie about it.


How about when he said, "there are way too many people here right now that I did not know last year, who are they?"

That's Drake.

"I know way too many people here right now
That I didn't know last year, who the fuck are y'all?"

[L.A.P.]

That's what people I know who DO like him say, but I personally couldn't care less who actually wrote it.

There really isn't anything credible that shows Gillie wrote for Wayne.


He's a good performer, but I don't think he makes enough sense to be considered an artist. Mostly, what I hear when listening to his stuff is: i make more money than you, i take your women, i sell drugs, i do drugs, i participate in scams and other activities that victimize people, and i kill people. That may not be all that he says, but it's a large part of it.:)

So what? Just because you listen to a song with certain content doesn't mean you advocate the content, most of the time the artist doesn't advocate the content. You think Oliver Stone actually thinks it's okay to kill people for porfit just because he directed Scarface? Quentin Tarantino's films are mainly I make money, I have sex with women, I sell drugs, and kill people but that doesn't necessarily make him a bad director.

[CommieTroll]

i dont get it, why doesnt everyone love him

Because everyone has different tastes in music? Personally I think he's shit and it'd be a socially progressive thing if he was 6 ft under but that's just my opinion, I wouldn't expect you to be a Lamb Of God fan now, would I?

[L.A.P.]

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Him and Rick Ross are the most materialistic rappers in the game right now, I think, which is why a socialist rapper should attack both of them as fakes, Lil Wayne as a fake Blood that's scared (and who accidentally shot himself, on a side note), as seen here, and Rick Ross as a fake gangster and former corrections officer who tried to lie about it.


First of all, what a load of shit that video is. Second of all, you're right he should have just gotten out of the car and given the sorry asshole trying to prove something the time of day at risk of the idiot pulling out a gun or something. I'm sure you would do that and you would prove how "ganagsta" you are.

Why G-Unit are such pathetic attention-seekers trying to gain fame by starting shit with other people, I'll never know.

[The Jay]

I understand all that but I just disagree and think that he really does advocate greed and exploitation. Agree to disagree? :thumbup:

[scarletghoul]

Because everyone has different tastes in music? Personally I think he's shit and it'd be a socially progressive thing if he was 6 ft under but that's just my opinion, I wouldn't expect you to be a Lamb Of God fan now, would I?
difference is Lamb of God really are shit


edit: jk you know im trollin bro. thats a fair point, but really, i think a lot of the hate for wayne is undue, and people dont bother to really listen to him with an open mind. behind the mainstream superficial exterior there is some great art. Same goes for MCR etc..

[Pirate Utopian]

Weezy > most "real hiphop"

[L.A.P.]

edit: jk you know im trollin bro. thats a fair point, but really, i think a lot of the hate for wayne is undue, and people dont bother to really listen to him with an open mind. behind the mainstream superficial exterior there is some great art. Same goes for MCR etc..

This, fucking this. This is the problem that I have with most people that hate Lil Wayne, not because they disagree with my opinion. It's almost as if people hate him just for the sake of hating him.

[Lanky Wanker]

It's weird how many far leftists actually like Lil Wayne considering his strong capitalist vibes, plus the fact that (from what I heard) he said he supports the idea of capitalism. In regards to his music though, I think he can write good lyrics, but he fucking kills it all with his crap about money and *****es/hoes. The few songs of his I've actually listened to the lyrics of, I've just heard a bunch of metaphors for "I'm at the top, I'm a cool dawg". I have one of his songs in my iTunes though *cringe* - Shoot Me Down. I couldn't resist! :crying:

[Pirate Utopian]

Who cares if he raps about money? Rappers are doing that shit since the start. As long as the music's good...

[Zealot]

You mean that shit rapper with sexist and homophobic ideas?

[L.A.P.]

It's weird how many far leftists actually like Lil Wayne considering his strong capitalist vibes, plus the fact that (from what I heard) he said he supports the idea of capitalism. In regards to his music though, I think he can write good lyrics, but he fucking kills it all with his crap about money and *****es/hoes. The few songs of his I've actually listened to the lyrics of, I've just heard a bunch of metaphors for "I'm at the top, I'm a cool dawg". I have one of his songs in my iTunes though *cringe* - Shoot Me Down. I couldn't resist! :crying:

It's weird how many leftsist restrict the music they listen to as if they were puritannical christians.

[CommieTroll]

difference is Lamb of God really are shit

I just came up with random band at the top of my head, personally I hate their music too. Rock is the main way to go :laugh: I'm a HUGE Guns N' Roses fanboy :L

[Agnapostate]

First of all, what a load of shit that video is. Second of all, you're right he should have just gotten out of the car and given the sorry asshole trying to prove something the time of day at risk of the idiot pulling out a gun or something. I'm sure you would do that and you would prove how "ganagsta" you are.

I'm just pointing out that he's not what he claims to be...he's a lame ass leva who thinks he's hard...


Why G-Unit are such pathetic attention-seekers trying to gain fame by starting shit with other people, I'll never know.

I have to side with Game when it comes to the shit between them of course, but 40 still proved something about this n*kka wayne trying to act hard...I'm just saying.

[L.A.P.]

I'm just pointing out that he's not what he claims to be...he's a lame ass leva who thinks he's hard...


Slayer and Cannibal Corspe also don't fuck dead bodies and commit genocide either despite their music, just pointing it out.



I have to side with Game when it comes to the shit between them of course, but 40 still proved something about this n*kka wayne trying to act hard...I'm just saying.

I doubt 40 would get out of his car when some asshole with a gun and group of others are trying to get him to come outside either.

[socialistjustin]

He is horrible. I have actually listened to his music and its definitely not my thing. Most mainstream shit is bad really.

[Agnapostate]

Slayer and Cannibal Corspe also don't fuck dead bodies and commit genocide either despite their music, just pointing it out.

lol...neither do a significant or even any verifiable cases of their fans...people who listen to gangsta rap are actually riders holding it down sometimes, on the other hand...

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I doubt 40 would get out of his car when some asshole with a gun and group of others are trying to get him to come outside either.

And...you really thought 40 Glocc was going to shoot Lil Wayne? Wow...no, at most he would have got down with him like he did with Menace, but no one's going to record a video of themselves shooting someone.

[Aspiring Humanist]

There really isn't anything credible that shows Gillie wrote for Wayne.



So what? Just because you listen to a song with certain content doesn't mean you advocate the content, most of the time the artist doesn't advocate the content. You think Oliver Stone actually thinks it's okay to kill people for porfit just because he directed Scarface? Quentin Tarantino's films are mainly I make money, I have sex with women, I sell drugs, and kill people but that doesn't necessarily make him a bad director.

except Scarface wasn't about glorifying drugs and shooting people, it showed the slow degradation of the character and how he lost his humanity
Lil waynes raps however do glorify drugs, money, violence and sexist attitudes towards women
A Leninist likes a sexist rapper, what a surprise...

[L.A.P.]

except Scarface wasn't about glorifying drugs and shooting people, it showed the slow degradation of the character and how he lost his humanity
Lil waynes raps however do glorify drugs, money, violence and sexist attitudes towards women

Not really, he's nothing like that in real life and is just a reflection of what he grew up around.


A Leninist likes a sexist rapper, what a surprise...

Wow, go fuck yourself. What a pathetic motherfucker you are. A dumbass who makes unclever cheap shots, what a surprise...

[L.A.P.]

lol...neither do a significant or even any verifiable cases of their fans...people who listen to gangsta rap are actually riders holding it down sometimes, on the other hand...

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So fucking what?


And...you really thought 40 Glocc was going to shoot Lil Wayne? Wow...no, at most he would have got down with him like he did with Menace, but no one's going to record a video of themselves shooting someone.

You think Lil Wayne knew that? All he saw was some obnonxious asshole knocking on his window trying to prove something. Believe it or not, rappers and even gang bangers are human beings who have enough common sense to not respond to such bullshit.

[Pirate Utopian]

I dont really get what most people are talking about.

Yes Lil Wayne talks about money. So? Do you people only listen to political music? Dont you need a break?

As for Wayne being fake... Even if he is, who cares? Clint Eastwood isnt a real gunslinger but I still think he was good in a For A Few Dollars More. It's music, not a documentary, it doesnt need to be full of facts.

[Aspiring Humanist]

Not really, he's nothing like that in real life and is just a reflection of what he grew up around.



Wow, go fuck yourself. What a pathetic motherfucker you are. A dumbass who makes unclever cheap shots, what a surprise...

Oh you know him in real life? And he's talking about owning women like they were commodities...not "what he grew up around"

Calling names is pretty pathetic too my good man
We have different musical tastes. I think he sucks, you think he's good. Fact is he has some very sexist, homophobic and capitalist-sympathizing hyper consumerist who young people idolize and end up buying stupid shit because Lil wayne does it
He's a reactionary plain and simple

EDIT: uh oh he de-repped me now I know this idolizer of a sexist homophobic capitalist means business!

[Mythbuster]

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[TheGodlessUtopian]

Retards
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Elaborate on that. :confused:

[L.A.P.]

Oh you know him in real life? And he's talking about owning women like they were commodities...not "what he grew up around"

Then you obviosuly don't know what it's like to grow up in an African-American ghetto. Man has a daughter, he honestly is more the type of guy who gets easily taken advantage of as shown with his last girlfriend.


Calling names is pretty pathetic too my good man

You tell me to fuck off, then you say I like sexism because I'm a Lenninist. And you don't expect to be called a name? Yeah, you're the quite the passive-agressive asshole.


Fact is he has some very sexist, homophobic and capitalist-sympathizing hyper consumerist who young people idolize and end up buying stupid shit because Lil wayne does it
He's a reactionary plain and simple

Again, so what? I don't listen to music because the artist just so happens to agree with my views. I'm not a petty bourgeois lifestylist who treats music like a puritannical christian because it's what Lord Karl Marx would have wanted.


EDIT: uh oh he de-repped me now I know this idolizer of a sexist homophobic capitalist means business!

You're sad, you're just sad. And you really have no clue about the nature of music.

Have fun with your oh so "revolutionary" petty bourgeois white kid rapper whom I'm sure relates so much more to the average African-American working class male.:rolleyes:

[Misanthrope]

and troll of the year goes to... OP!!!!

[Aspiring Humanist]

Then you obviosuly don't know what it's like to grow up in an African-American ghetto. Man has a daughter, he honestly is more the type of guy who gets easily taken advantage of as shown with his last girlfriend.



You tell me to fuck off, then you say I like sexism because I'm a Lenninist. And you don't expect to be called a name? Yeah, you're the quite the passive-agressive asshole.



Again, so what? I don't listen to music because the artist just so happens to agree with my views. I'm not a petty bourgeois lifestylist who treats music like a puritannical christian because it's what Lord Karl Marx would have wanted.



You're sad, you're just sad. And you really have no clue about the nature of music.

Have fun with your oh so "revolutionary" petty bourgeois white kid rapper whom I'm sure relates so much more to the average African-American working class male.:rolleyes:
You're quite right my friend I have not had the experience of being an African-American growing up in the ghetto. If I did though, I would still have no excuse for acting sexist or homophobic. (racism appears too I believe I heard "Cracker" in one of his songs)
I don't listen to Lil Wayne because I don't like him and he is a sexist and a homophobe, and he encourages conspicuous consumerism, he is the antithesis of a communist. You call me petit bourgeois because I don't like Lil Wayne? Are you serious? Or are you calling me petit bourgeois because I don't like homophobia and sexism? And I don't know where "Lord Karl Marx" came from because I'm unsure of my political ideology as of now yet I'm leaning towards Bakuninist anarchism rather than orthodox marxism. Once again, I'm "sad" because I disapprove of sexism and racism...ok lol. And I really really want to know what the fuck the last paragraph meant. Where is this white petit bourgeois rapper you're talking about? I'm pretty sure Wayne is the only rapper we've been talking about, or do you have some sort of vendetta against white people? And who the hell said anything about relating to African-American male? I like music that can relate to all people, not just one ethnic minority that encourages division and disunity among the working class.

[scarletghoul]

This is turning out just as good as my Kanye appreciation thread from last year.

[The Jay]

This is turning out just as good as my Kanye appreciation thread from last year.

haha you got me boss. :laugh: i got caught under your cleverly placed bridge. kudos

[Aspiring Humanist]

This is turning out just as good as my Kanye appreciation thread from last year.

10/10
done arguing about overrated wannabes

[scarletghoul]

yeah this thread was made to provoke. having said that, the debate is interesting and worth continuing.
i've noticed a lot of the 'distaste' for rap music (not particularly here, but in general) is thinly veiled snobbery, sometimes racism too (i remember at school a lot of middle class kids would be like "rap music sucks its retarded.. except for eminem he's good" loll.) Often the people who say they hate rap music because it "glories sexism and gun crime" will listen to rock or metal bands that also 'glorify' reactionary things. The 'anti-mainstream' snobs are annoying too, even though thats at least based on some rebellious kneejerk..

Anyway music and all other art can be appreciated even if you dont completely agree with the ideology or find some of the views bad. If you disagree with that you are really saying we should just have 'socialist realism' type art.. that would be disasterous, especially for music, as we would just be left with rappers like immortal technique > _ <
i like apocalyptic religious art from the middle ages. i like monster movies. i like gangsta rap. I am not religious, or a monster, or a gangsta; neither do i ideologically endorse those things ..

[Aspiring Humanist]

I like a lot of rap, just not Lil Wayne, has literally nothing to do with racism, quite the opposite actually

[The Jay]

I like about half of the rap that comes out. It just so happens that I hate ninety percent of everything wayne has come out with.

[scarletghoul]

I wasnt accusing you or anyone here, its mostly the middle class kids at school and college i remember being like that

[thriller]

It's weird how many far leftists actually like Lil Wayne considering his strong capitalist vibes, plus the fact that (from what I heard) he said he supports the idea of capitalism. In regards to his music though, I think he can write good lyrics, but he fucking kills it all with his crap about money and *****es/hoes. The few songs of his I've actually listened to the lyrics of, I've just heard a bunch of metaphors for "I'm at the top, I'm a cool dawg". I have one of his songs in my iTunes though *cringe* - Shoot Me Down. I couldn't resist! :crying:

I like Beethoven and Bach, but I guarantee they were not anti-capitalist/communist. They make damn good tunes.

[thriller]

This is turning out just as good as my Kanye appreciation thread from last year.

That was good! :D

[L.A.P.]

I like a lot of rap, just not Lil Wayne, has literally nothing to do with racism, quite the opposite actually

I'm not bothered by people disliking Lil Wayne, I'm bothered by the reasons they do hate him. You as example, named off the reasons being because "he has drugs, sexism, capitalism, and consumerism" in his music. But like what scarletghoul said 'Anyway music and all other art can be appreciated even if you dont completely agree with the ideology or find some of the views bad. If you disagree with that you are really saying we should just have 'socialist realism' type art.. that would be disasterous, especially for music'.

I just think the whole lifestylist attitude towards music like "we're communists so we have to listen to certain music that promotes our views" makes us look like a bunch of religous fundamentalists. Too often, people seem to think the role of music in society is propaganda rather than art. However music isn't propaganda, music doesn't promote anything, it just reflects upon and relates to certain apsect of the 'human experience'. What I mean by 'human experience' includes emotions we may feel, people we may know, people we may know of, places we may go, and a lot of other aspects of our lives. Music is not meant to nor is able to influence people's ideas, even if a song did try to influence people's ideas it gets a negative reaction. When was the last time you enjoyed that song they'd play in science class to make you like the subject, or that cheesy gingle telling you to buy a product? Probably thought it was cheesy, right? See Lil Wayne isn't telling the kids to become evil greedy capitalists, he's just expressing certain emotions that we can connect to our recognition of reality. As long as he succcessfully does this, he'll always be a good artist. In fact, the fact that the emotions he expresses provokes such strong emotion (whether it's good or bad emotions doesn't matter) in you means his music is successfully expressing these emotions, which means his music is doing something right with you. And you're not proving yourself to be 'prolier than thou' by restricting yourself to certain content that you view in a positive light. If you do that, you pretty much deprive yourself of 80% of art in general and I if I wanted to do that then I would be a conservative.

[Agnapostate]

So fucking what?

You think Lil Wayne knew that? All he saw was some obnonxious asshole knocking on his window trying to prove something. Believe it or not, rappers and even gang bangers are human beings who have enough common sense to not respond to such bullshit.

The point is he's not loc'd out like he pretends to be. Some people who listen to him actually are loc'd out, unlike him. They just don't give a fuck about life...ride till the wheels fall off.

I don't know what your background is, but mine is ethnic minority/urban community or whatever. I maybe don't convey it with my writing because I know how to "talk white" when I need to, as everybody in the hood would say to me if they ever read what I wrote on this message board.

Maybe that's your background too; I'm not going to assume that it's not...but I do know the "demographics" of most people on this forum, and I don't think a lot of them can understand the whole "urban mentality" thing same way I can. Sorry for being a dick but I can see from your listed location that you live in a vacation spot...I don't.

[L.A.P.]

Sorry for being a dick but I can see from your listed location that you live in a vacation spot...I don't.

Believe it or not, we have working class people over here. I'm not living in some classless commune, it's just an economically weak tourist area.

[Agnapostate]

Believe it or not, we have working class people over here. I'm not living in some classless commune, it's just an economically weak tourist area.

Ok...this isn't just about being generically "working class," but about being ghetto, i.e. the sort of working class subculture that's stereotypically associated with the black hood and the Latino barrio. I live in the periphery of both, close to Compton/Long Beach/South Central, but close to East L.A. too...

[L.A.P.]

Ok...this isn't just about being generically "working class," but about being ghetto, i.e. the sort of working class subculture that's stereotypically associated with the black hood and the Latino barrio. I live in the periphery of both, close to Compton/Long Beach/South Central, but close to East L.A. too...

Yeah, that's Golden Gate and parts of East Naples. There's little pockets of that throughout the area but there isn't to much geographical class segregation in this city, evrybody's kind of thrown in the mix.

[Pirate Utopian]

It's kind of condensending to think people just do dumb shit because they heard it in a song. Give humans some credit.
If they do shit like that they must've already been experiencing other factors pushing them to do what they do.

[Agnapostate]

Yeah, that's Golden Gate and parts of East Naples. There's little pockets of that throughout the area but there isn't to much geographical class segregation in this city, evrybody's kind of thrown in the mix.

Well, little pockets of it, like you said. I live by the most (in)famous mix of these demographic and subcultural elements, though. I don't think anyone who lives in a lily white Anglo area could understand some of these things except on a theoretical level. I don't know if you do, and I know it's kind of dickish to come at you like this, but I just really doubt that any section of that tourist city is like it is here...and I think if you were here as a minority, you'd have a different perspective.

But maybe you do think Lil Wayne is a fake Blood; it's not a big deal. His music is still good, imo, though I still think someone should rebel against him and maybe even the whole industry.

[scarletghoul]

It's kind of condensending to think people just do dumb shit because they heard it in a song. Give humans some credit.
If they do shit like that they must've already been experiencing other factors pushing them to do what they do.
comrade, you do not understand historical materialism. the history of all society is a history of people acting on ideas they found in music. for this reason we should dedicate ourselves to playing Red Army Choir records on loudspeakers throughout working class neighbourhoods, as well as Bob Avakian's All Played Out. if we do this enough, people will become communists and rise up to finally put avakian in power

[Pirate Utopian]

Well obviously All Played Out will change people's minds. But that's just because it's so powerful.

[L.A.P.]

Well, little pockets of it, like you said. I live by the most (in)famous mix of these demographic and subcultural elements, though. I don't think anyone who lives in a lily white Anglo area could understand some of these things except on a theoretical level. I don't know if you do, and I know it's kind of dickish to come at you like this, but I just really doubt that any section of that tourist city is like it is here...and I think if you were here as a minority, you'd have a different perspective.

I understand your plight but in regards to the relevance this bares in the thread, "cool story bro" is an appropriate response.


But maybe you do think Lil Wayne is a fake Blood;

As opposed to a real Blood? What constitutes as a real Blood? They look you up in their official archives and then do the 40 Locc test to see if you pass? It's not like Bloods are a connected national gang like the mafia anymore, it's just a bunch of neighborrhood groups who identify as Bloods. Lil Wayne has been affiliated with Birdman, who's basically an incredibly corrupt quasi-mobster businessman who also happens to be a Blood (kind of like Suge Knight), his whole life. I don't think there is anywhere in the non-existent Blood handbook that says "when 40 Locc knocks on your window make sure you act like a hard motherfucker".

[Agnapostate]

I understand your plight but in regards to the relevance this bares in the thread, "cool story bro" is an appropriate response.

As opposed to a real Blood? What constitutes as a real Blood?

What hood do Lil Wayne and Birdman claim if they're real Bloods? 40 Glocc claims an actual hood, Colton City Crips.

Other rappers claim actual Blood gangs, not just "Blood." Suge claims Mob Piru, Game claims Cedar Block Piru, Jay Rock claims Bounty Hunters, etc.

[vivaEZLN]

I hate Lil Wayne as a person and an artist. I'm not jumping on any bandwagon either... in fact a lot of my friends like him.

He's a fake wannabe thug/gangster, and I don't think his lyrics are that clever or good. His music's all about beats and marketing anyways.

There's very few artists that went mainstream or got radio play that I actually think are good.

[Pirate Utopian]

It's not like gangs like the Bloods and the Crips are all that admirable. So if Weezy was fake, I could live with that.

[L.A.P.]

What hood do Lil Wayne and Birdman claim if they're real Bloods? 40 Glocc claims an actual hood, Colton City Crips.

Does it even matter? Even before he was big, Birdman was far more powerful and corrupt than a petty street gang. Again, all these Blood gangs have little to no connection to each other on a national level, you just have a bucnh of gangs throughout the United States that so happen to call each other "Bloods". And like PU said, that's nothing to admire either.

Not to mention that 40 Glocc now denies his involvement with the Colton City Crips.


Other rappers claim actual Blood gangs, not just "Blood." Suge claims Mob Piru, Game claims Cedar Block Piru, Jay Rock claims Bounty Hunters, etc.

Notice how it's only Los Angeles or California gang members that have all these specific sects. Crips and Bloods outside of California don't really do this.

[Agnapostate]

Does it even matter? Even before he was big, Birdman was far more powerful and corrupt than a petty street gang.

Of course it matters if he's trying to claim, which he is, but he's a wannabe.


Again, all these Blood gangs have little to no connection to each other on a national level, you just have a bucnh of gangs throughout the United States that so happen to call each other "Bloods". And like PU said, that's nothing to admire either.

What does that have to do with Lil Wayne and Birdman being posers and fake Bloods?


Not to mention that 40 Glocc now denies his involvement with the Colton City Crips.

40 Glocc stays holding it down; he's a shotcaller there. He might "deny his involvement" to a one time...that don't mean shit.


Notice how it's only Los Angeles or California gang members that have all these specific sects. Crips and Bloods outside of California don't really do this.

Seriously? You're really claiming that there are no Crip or Blood hoods and sets that identify by neighborhood or street outside of California? :blink:

[Agnapostate]

It's not like gangs like the Bloods and the Crips are all that admirable. So if Weezy was fake, I could live with that.

He pretends to be a Blood, as far as I can tell. Why pretend to be something you're not?

[Pirate Utopian]

I really couldnt care less. Just like I dont care if Bob Marley really shot a sheriff. If I like the music, I cant care less.

[L.A.P.]

Of course it matters if he's trying to claim, which he is, but he's a wannabe.

A wannabe who's far more powerful and corrupt than an actual petty street gang.:rolleyes: Those fakes!


What does that have to do with Lil Wayne and Birdman being posers and fake Bloods?

Because under your defintion of being a "fake Blood" evry Blood outside California is a fake Blood.


40 Glocc stays holding it down; he's a shotcaller there. He might "deny his involvement" to a one time...that don't mean shit.

Oooh, macho man. How real of him.


Seriously? You're really claiming that there are no Crip or Blood hoods and sets that identify by neighborhood or street outside of California? :blink

I said it doesn't happen as much outside of California where they have some unclever official name.

[Agnapostate]

A wannabe

Right.


Because under your defintion of being a "fake Blood" evry Blood outside California is a fake Blood.

LOL, where did you get this from?


Oooh, macho man. How real of him.

If he puts it down in the hood, he puts it down in the hood. No one cares if he lies to cops.


I said it doesn't happen as much outside of California where they have some unclever official name.

That's not true. For one thing, Los Angeles is the origin of Crip and Blood identification to begin with, and plenty of hoods that have been around for a while have cliques in other parts of the state or even the country. Beyond that, Crips and Bloods (and other gangs that started here), exist in other countries.

[L.A.P.]

LOL, where did you get this from?

Because you say that if they're a Blood gang that doesn't have an awesome name then they're fake but mainly occurs in California.


If he puts it down in the hood, he puts it down in the hood. No one cares if he lies to cops.

I would hardly say being part of a gang is putting it down for your neighborhood. Sure, I'm not one of those petty bourgeois people who think "ZOMG! GANGZ ARE EVIL TEH EAT BABIEZ!!!" and they do somewhat serve the purpose of protection of a neighborhood but they are mainly just a lumpenproletarian product of capitalism and do exactly that, be capitalists. Just saying that Birdman was way better at being a lumpenproletarian capitalist than most gangs.



That's not true. For one thing, Los Angeles is the origin of Crip and Blood identification to begin with, and plenty of hoods that have been around for a while have cliques in other parts of the state or even the country. Beyond that, Crips and Bloods (and other gangs that started here), exist in other countries.

Yes, we all know LA is where it all started but not every city has gangs have specific neighborhood names like they do in LA/California. Especailly when you don't need to since most cities are far smaller than LA.

[Agnapostate]

Because you say that if they're a Blood gang that doesn't have an awesome name then they're fake but mainly occurs in California...Yes, we all know LA is where it all started but not every city has gangs have specific neighborhood names like they do in LA/California.

Most gang names refer to a city or neighborhood, with neighborhood names more common in areas that are heavily gang populated. "Colton City Crips" isn't a specific neighborhood reference, but a city reference.

The point of Birdman and Lil Wayne claiming what they do is because they want "street cred" that they haven't earned, by trying to pretend that they were putting it down back in the hood. It doesn't matter if Birdman is a giant "lumpenproletariat"; that doesn't connect with people the same way that banging does. Lil Wayne's been signed to Cash Money and rapping since he was eleven or twelve, so I don't see him banging on the block, though I guess it's possible. I do know he's only ever been shot by himself, right?

Supposedly they do claim a New Orleans set, Uptown East Side Bloods. Lil Wayne claims it at 0:29 here.

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It's just that he said this a few years ago:


I'm not from L.A.; I don't know too much about the Bloods and Crips...all I know is just that is not a good thing

(at 1:25)

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So I don't see him as being so legit, and he's definitely not hard, or else him and Birdman (and supposedly Slim was there too) would have gotten out when 40 Glocc was creeping on them like that.

[Pirate Utopian]

lol 40 Glocc is a loser who makes shitty music nobody listens to. I dont give a fuck if he's more "real".

Seriously what is your point? Do you think streetgangs are something to look up to?

[L.A.P.]

lol 40 Glocc is a loser who makes shitty music nobody listens to. I dont give a fuck if he's more "real".

Seriously what is your point? Do you think streetgangs are something to look up to?

Apparently gangs are a revolutionary representation of the people. Gangs of the world, unite!:rolleyes: Oh, and a bunch of other reactionary hyper-masculine bullshit that supposedly is what's "real".

[Engel]

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[Agnapostate]

lol 40 Glocc is a loser who makes shitty music nobody listens to. I dont give a fuck if he's more "real".

You say this as though you're responding to something I said. Lil Wayne is a better rapper than 40 Glocc. 40 Glocc is an actual gang member, though, unlike Lil Wayne, who claims to be one.


Seriously what is your point? Do you think streetgangs are something to look up to?

Lil Wayne and Baby apparently do, since they're claiming gang affiliation. I point out that their gang affiliation, or at least Lil Wayne's gang affiliation, seems fake.

[Agnapostate]

Apparently gangs are a revolutionary representation of the people. Gangs of the world, unite!:rolleyes: Oh, and a bunch of other reactionary hyper-masculine bullshit that supposedly is what's "real".

You mention reactionary hyper-masculinity as though I invented it or something. I didn't, but Lil Wayne and Birdman certainly believe in it and promote it. So there's nothing wrong with mentioning that they're fake according to their own standards.

[black magick hustla]

the motherfuckers that go off about lil wayne being homophobic or sexist have no modicrum of knowledge about hip hop culture at all. there is no "real" hip hop that is "progressive", fuckin hip hop has always been hella homphobic and sexist. i am not sayin it is excusable, but your opinion about the "homophobia" of lil wayne is worthless if you don't at least attempt to put him in the context of hip hop in general. idk i was never that big on hip hop as a music form, but i always found the culture interesting enough.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

He is so, so far from 'musically talented', let alone 'the best', it's almost comical.