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Seth
26th September 2011, 23:50
Can someone explain what advocates of these believe ideally in a couple paragraphs each? If you're one of these just do that one.
Anarchism
Libertarian Socialism
Authoritarian Socialism
Marxism
Leninism
Stalinism
Trotskyism
Maoism
Brezhnevism
Bordigism
DeLeonism
Kautskyism
Guevarism
Castroism
Titoism
Hoxhaism
Bolivarianism
Rising Sun
27th September 2011, 00:09
Brezhnevism
Kautskyism
Castroism
Bolivarianism
wait.....wat?
Rusty Shackleford
27th September 2011, 00:55
may i suggest you look at the wiki that is hosted on this website? you can do a search of all of these and get a pretty quick to the point description of each of them. Also, the user groups on here are categorized and there is a section for tendencies which usually have descriptions of them too.
im not trying to brush you off, im just trying to save everyone some extensive writing and a possible tendency fight.
Die Rote Fahne
27th September 2011, 03:37
*COUGH* Luxemburgism *COUGH*
Seth
27th September 2011, 03:58
*COUGH* Luxemburgism *COUGH*
Who?
Seth
27th September 2011, 04:00
may i suggest you look at the wiki that is hosted on this website? you can do a search of all of these and get a pretty quick to the point description of each of them. Also, the user groups on here are categorized and there is a section for tendencies which usually have descriptions of them too.
im not trying to brush you off, im just trying to save everyone some extensive writing and a possible tendency fight.
Uh, thanks.
So are there tendency fights often on here?
Die Rote Fahne
27th September 2011, 04:08
Who?
One of the most underrated Marxists of all time, and the most influential in Germany....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosa_Luxemburg
http://marxists.org/archive/luxemburg/index.htm
o well this is ok I guess
27th September 2011, 04:58
wait.....wat? Kautsky had unique theories, bro.
Bolivarism is basically just Chavez.Ism.
Rising Sun
27th September 2011, 06:52
Kautsky had unique theories, bro.
Bolivarism is basically just Chavez.Ism.
........wat
Nox
27th September 2011, 07:24
Hoxhaism
A Hoxhaist is, in simple terms, a Marxist-Leninist who is anti-revisionist and took the side of Albania in the Sino-Albanian split.
When it comes to anti-revisionist Marxism-Leninism, the two tendencies are Maoism and Hoxhaism, although Hoxhaists believe that Maoism is revisionist.
Interesting Fact: Quite a few Marxist-Leninists are Hoxhaists without even realising it.
Q
27th September 2011, 11:19
The are about 2 billion threads on this subject on Revleft. I suggest to use the search function.
Vladimir Innit Lenin
27th September 2011, 11:25
Your best bet, OP, is to use the search function on here, or use Wikipedia for a brief overview of the ideologies. The most important ones being:
Marxism
Libertarian Socialism (including left-libertarianism)
Left Communism (including Luxemburgism!)
Marxism-Leninism
Trotskyism
Focoism
Anarchism
You may want to search for Democratic Socialism and Social Democracy as well, to get an idea of what separates Socialist reformists and Socialist revolutionaries.
thefinalmarch
27th September 2011, 15:56
Just use marxists.org's encyclopedia/glossary for pretty much anything you wanna know the basics of.
http://marxists.org/glossary/index.htm
Die Rote Fahne
27th September 2011, 15:57
Your best bet, OP, is to use the search function on here, or use Wikipedia for a brief overview of the ideologies. The most important ones being:
Marxism
Libertarian Socialism (including left-libertarianism)
Left Communism (including Luxemburgism!)
Marxism-Leninism
Trotskyism
Focoism
Anarchism
You may want to search for Democratic Socialism and Social Democracy as well, to get an idea of what separates Socialist reformists and Socialist revolutionaries.
Luxemburgism is not Left Communism.
Ostrinski
27th September 2011, 16:07
..And here it begins.
Ostrinski
27th September 2011, 16:13
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_socialism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leninism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalinism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trotskyism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maoism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brezhnevism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bordigism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deleonism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kautskyism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guevarism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castroism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titoism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoxhaism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolivarianism
TheGeekySocialist
27th September 2011, 16:26
Who?
:crying:
Vladimir Innit Lenin
27th September 2011, 22:26
Luxemburgism is not Left Communism.
Well, no, strictly her writings attacked Leninism from a more Libertarian Socialist viewpoint, but it seems as though her theories have influenced many left communists.
Or perhaps i'm slightly confused about left communism. :confused:
Vladimir Innit Lenin
27th September 2011, 22:27
This is why I never used to get involved with 'isms'. Damn you Rosa!
A Marxist Historian
27th September 2011, 22:33
Well, no, strictly her writings attacked Leninism from a more Libertarian Socialist viewpoint, but it seems as though her theories have influenced many left communists.
Or perhaps i'm slightly confused about left communism. :confused:
Libertarian Socialism? Rosa would puke.
Her ideas were in motion in the last few years of her life, and she spent the last few months of her life founding the German Communist Party and repudiating her criticism of the Bolsheviks for wanting a Soviet workers council regime rather than parliamentary democracy.
Though she still had various other disagreements with Lenin that remained unresolved, and we'll never know where she would have ended up if she hadn't been murdered.
Most of her followers became Bolsheviks and Communists. Notably Felix Dzherzhinskii of course.
-M.H.-
Die Rote Fahne
28th September 2011, 00:13
Well, no, strictly her writings attacked Leninism from a more Libertarian Socialist viewpoint, but it seems as though her theories have influenced many left communists.
Or perhaps i'm slightly confused about left communism. :confused:
No, her writings were from an Orthodox Marxist viewpoint. She very much thought of the Bolshevik revolution as a good and important thing.
She wasn't a Marxist-Leninist, but she was not a Libertarian Socialist.
Some of her views may have influenced Left Communists, but that doesn't make her a Left Communist.
Die Rote Fahne
28th September 2011, 00:16
Libertarian Socialism? Rosa would puke.
Her ideas were in motion in the last few years of her life, and she spent the last few months of her life founding the German Communist Party and repudiating her criticism of the Bolsheviks for wanting a Soviet workers council regime rather than parliamentary democracy.
Though she still had various other disagreements with Lenin that remained unresolved, and we'll never know where she would have ended up if she hadn't been murdered.
Most of her followers became Bolsheviks and Communists. Notably Felix Dzherzhinskii of course.
-M.H.-
She actually promoted having both workers councils and a Constituent Assembly. This was one of her qualms in The Russian Revolution. Later, possibly in the Junius pamphlet (I can't remember), she promoted just councils.
So, Luxemburg wasn't a Communist? I don't understand your second-last sentence.
Rusty Shackleford
28th September 2011, 01:29
Communists along the line of Leninism perhaps?
Vladimir Innit Lenin
28th September 2011, 08:44
No, her writings were from an Orthodox Marxist viewpoint. She very much thought of the Bolshevik revolution as a good and important thing.
She wasn't a Marxist-Leninist, but she was not a Libertarian Socialist.
Some of her views may have influenced Left Communists, but that doesn't make her a Left Communist.
I don't think that's strictly true. By the time of her death she had clearly railed against the Bolshevik methods, and even as early as 1905, her work The Mass Strike provided an important analysis of why there was a rise in revolutionary consciousness amongst the proletariat in Russia at the turn of the 20th century, despite most of the Bolsheviks being far from at the 'vanguard' of the movement.
There's certainly a case for saying she wrote from a more orthodox Marxist perspective, but it's also certainly the case that where Marx was the authoritarian, she was more the libertarian. Her work 'The Russian Revolution' provides just such an expose. I guess how you view this, though, depends on your interpretation of Marx himself.
Vladimir Innit Lenin
28th September 2011, 08:44
And no, I wasn't ever saying she was a left-com (or didn't mean to). I was referring to Luxemburgism, as it has been interpreted after her death.
A Marxist Historian
28th September 2011, 17:32
She actually promoted having both workers councils and a Constituent Assembly. This was one of her qualms in The Russian Revolution. Later, possibly in the Junius pamphlet (I can't remember), she promoted just councils.
So, Luxemburg wasn't a Communist? I don't understand your second-last sentence.
Poorly phrased. She was a Communist. With a capital C, as the founder of the German Communist Party, not just a small-c believer in communism as a good idea or "council communism." Was she a Bolshevik? No.
Her followers by and large became *both* Bolsheviks *and* Communists after she died. Almost all of them in fact.
-M.H.-
o well this is ok I guess
29th September 2011, 04:39
ok what's with this Cc business
Devrim
29th September 2011, 05:41
Some of her views may have influenced Left Communists, but that doesn't make her a Left Communist.
Obviously Luxemburg wasn't a left communist. As you say here views did influence the left communists, but it wasn't just a one way process.
Luxemburg's ideas developed alongside the ideas of those who would later become the German left communists, and until the KPD expelled the majority of its members for 'leftism' in 1920, they were in many ways part of the same current.
Within this current, and within the early KPD though, I think it would be fair to situate her in the centre, and not on the left.
Devrim
Die Neue Zeit
29th September 2011, 06:14
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kautskyism
Wrong link for Kautskyism. This is the correct link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthodox_Marxism
She actually promoted having both workers councils and a Constituent Assembly. This was one of her qualms in The Russian Revolution. Later, possibly in the Junius pamphlet (I can't remember), she promoted just councils.
Well, the renegade Kautsky also promoted both workers councils and a parliamentary body in his Dictatorship of the Proletariat. Both these figures of German Social Democracy completely missed the Bolshevik coups d'etat against non-Bolshevik soviets.
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