View Full Version : The insistence of right-wingers to compare Communism and Nazism
Comrade
26th September 2011, 21:17
I was wondering what you fellow revolutionaries find the best response is for fools who try to compare National Socialism, Socialism and Communism. Nazism is a far-right wing idealogy, but for some reason when they see the word "Socialism" they immediately point to it like the impetous fools they are and scream "See! They're the same! They're the same!".
Anyway, i'd like to be more prepared next time so that I don't nearly hemmorhage trying to explain the difference.
Thank you Comrades
TheGodlessUtopian
26th September 2011, 21:27
Right-wingers use it as to try and confuse the ignorant.Hitler himself used the term "socialism" to attract leftists to the Nazi ideology as Germany was very pro-socialist (real socialist) at the time.
The two have nothing in common.
Schizophrenia
26th September 2011, 21:30
I too have had many people do the same thing. Just a little education can go a long way for these folks. :)
ВАЛТЕР
26th September 2011, 21:47
Nazism and Socialism are very different. If you just look at Hitlers policies you can tell the Nazis were far from socialists. If they were socialists there would have been no war, no discrimination, and no death camps to begin with.
Comrade
26th September 2011, 21:52
I understand they were exceptionally different comrades. What I am asking for is a few points that I could make to prove that point beyond a doubt.
Ballyfornia
26th September 2011, 22:08
Well if you look at the track record of "communist" regimes, They're not exactly the cleanest.
In all seriousness if you look at the name "National Socialism". Nationalism is against Internationalism, which is against communism/socialisms goal.
There was a "left" in the Nazi party which were the Strasser brothers, Although they still up held Ethnic supremacy.
Plus this quote "I absolutely insist on protecting private property... we must encourage private initiative" - Hitler. That is obviously anti communist
DarkPast
26th September 2011, 22:11
Just show them this quote:
Socialism is the science dealing with the common weal. Communism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists.
Socialism is an ancient Aryan, Germanic institution. Our German ancestors held certain lands in common. They cultivated the idea of the common weal. Marxism has no right to disguise itself as socialism. Socialism, unlike Marxism, does not repudiate private property. Unlike Marxism, it involves no negation of personality, and unlike Marxism, it is patriotic.
We might have called ourselves the Liberal Party. We chose to call ourselves the National Socialists. We are not internationalists. Our socialism is national. We demand the fulfilment of the just claims of the productive classes by the state on the basis of race solidarity. To us state and race are one.It's from an interview of Adolf Hitler by George Sylvester Viereck in 1923:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2007/sep/17/greatinterviews1
Commissar Rykov
26th September 2011, 22:12
Right-wingers use it as to try and confuse the ignorant.Hitler himself used the term "socialism" to attract leftists to the Nazi ideology as Germany was very pro-socialist (real socialist) at the time.
The two have nothing in common.
^This. The State of Bavaria was extremely Left Wing and thus the Nazis had to try and carve out a niche amongst the Revolutionaries by adopting their colors on pamphlets and posters as well as adopting the moniker socialist. This didn't work out so well as actual communists would come to their meetings then bludgeon the shit out of them for spouting their racist shit. This is why Hitler needed the SA because getting your ass kicked out of every Beerhall you can find is pretty embarrassing not that it stopped the ass kickings they received.
Seth
26th September 2011, 22:13
Because they tend to think nazi germany was exactly like the ussr economically, except it was overtly antisemitic.
DarkPast
26th September 2011, 22:29
Oh, and one more thing: Just because the Nazis have a few characteristics in common with Socialists, does not make them Socialists. This is the "fallacy of association". Just because two things share a trait, does not make them the same. Stalin was a Communist who liked law and order. Republicans in the US like law and order. So does this make Stalin a Republican? The answer should be obvious, but this is the same logic conservatives are currently using.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_fallacy
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