Right Wing Asshole Business Fuck Says on FAUX News US Minimum Wage Should be $3/hr

[MattShizzle]

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/09/23/republican-on-fox-news-says-minimum-wage-should-be-3hr/

Fucking asshole!!! It's already not a livable wage and you want it to be cut in less than half? This is the sort of thing that makes me want to see the revolution come soon and assholes like this put against the wall.


On Fox & Friends Thursday morning, Republican businessman and former Senate nominee, Peter Schiffz claimed that the minimum wage was too high and that it affected the young and the poor in a negative way. Schiff even had the nerve to say “One Of The Most Anti-Poor People Rules Is The Minimum Wage.” A part of the transcript is below.

SCHIFF: Well, one of the most anti-poor people rules is the minimum wage. It keeps people poor. What the minimum wage does is says that if a person that has very little skills, and generally they’re young or they’re poor, you can’t hire them unless they can produce
KILMEADE: Right. SCHIFF: — $7.25 worth of value, but it’s not just that. It also has to compensate you for all the mandatory benefits and taxes and risks associated with hiring people.
KILMEADE: Right.

SCHIFF: And people that have no skills, it’s not just worth it to hire them
KILMEADE: Peter, I want to get through, too
SCHIFF: — maybe $3 or $4 an hour, if that’s what they’re worth
As the real world looks at the extremely low minimum wage, Republicans and their conservative members want to lower it even further. Presidential nominee, Michele Bachmannz, has even said she would want to completely eliminate minimum wage as part of her plan to lower unemployment. This is just another example of the disconnect between the conservative mind-set of the Republican party and reality.

Michelle Bachman also wants to get rid of food safety regulations to create jobs. Yeah, letting workers die opens up more jobs plus those in hospitals and funeral homes. The fact these people are taken seriously as candidates in the US in insane.

[Veovis]

Now, now. None of this putting people against the wall stuff. Making him live out the rest of his years in a humble, yet dignified lifestyle would be an even greater punishment than death. :thumbup1:

[Dzerzhinsky's Ghost]

First, I would like to say I appreciate how the word 'fuck' is a tag for this thread, it's very appropriate. Second, I would like to say this is getting fucking ridiculous; this is the kind of shit that is going to spark a revolution, in fact, after reading this, I feel like picking up my arms and such and take my cab all the way to DC. This is absurd, Bachemann shouldn't even be taken seriously; first she says the HPV vaccine causes mental retardation, now she is saying we should get rid of food safety regulations and lower the minimum wage down to 3 dollars. I would like for all of these libertard assholes to actually work a day in their fucking lives and see what it's like and then try to spout off the same sort of Randian horseshit.

She (and the rest of these asshats) needs to sit down and shut the fuck up.

[Ocean Seal]

If unskilled workers are worth $3/hr, how the fuck do the rich make their profits? Did those profits just magically appear, or were they bestowed upon the rich because they were worth $100/hr or $500/hr

[Sinister Cultural Marxist]

Psh, everyone knows the poor in America aren't suffering enough. I mean, they have MICROWAVE OVENS the luxurious bastards!

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2011/09/census-poverty-rate-record-2010.html


The Census Bureau has released disturbing new numbers, showing the population of poor Americans at 46.2 million, or 15.1% of the population last year. That's the highest rate in 17 years and the largest number in 52 years.
The Census Bureau defines 2010 poverty as $22,314 for a U.S. family of four. Median household income remains just under $50,000.
The disappointing poverty information was widely disseminated a (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2011/09/record-462-million-americans-in-poverty-census-bureau-says.html)nd attributed by media (http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/us-poverty-rate-hits-52-year-high-at-151-percent/2011/09/13/gIQApnMePK_story.html) to high unemployment nationally (above 9% for 25 of the last 27 months) and to the economy, which has remained stagnant despite nearly $1 trillion of government stimulus spending by the Obama-Biden administration.
Less noticed Tuesday, however, was the release of another non-government report on U.S. poverty, this one by the Heritage Foundation (http://www.heritage.org/Research/Reports/2011/09/Understanding-Poverty-in-the-United-States-Surprising-Facts-About-Americas-Poor?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=Morning%2BBell). It paints a dramatically different portrait of poverty in America than the popular conception of stark deprivation -- hungry people wearing rags and living in cars or boxes.
Using the same Census Bureau data, Robert Rector and Rachel Sheffield looked into the actual living conditions of America's official poor.
And here are some of the startling steretype-shattering things they discovered:
During the year 4% of the poor became temporarily homeless. Forty percent live in apartments, less than 10% in mobile homes or trailers and about 50% live in standard one-family homes. In fact, 42% own their own home.
The vast majority are in good repair, with more living space per person than the average non-poor person in Britain, France or Sweden.
Ninety-six percent of poor parents say their children were never hungry during the year due to an inability to afford food.
Eighty percent of poor households have air conditioning and 92% have a microwave.
One-third of poor households have a wide-screen plasma or LCD TV, 70% have a VCR and two-thirds have satellite/cable TV, the same proportion as own at least one DVD player.
Half of the povery households have a personal computer and one-in-seven have two or more.
And half of those with children have a video game system like Xbox.
Almost 75% have a car or truck and nearly a third have two.
Other than that, being poor in America is just like you thought.


Yes, there really are people in the world so bourgeois that they actually think this bullshit.

[MattShizzle]

Now, now. None of this putting people against the wall stuff. Making him live out the rest of his years in a humble, yet dignified lifestyle would be an even greater punishment than death. :thumbup1:

Why should this asshole get a dignified lifestyle when the lower class workers in the US now clearly don't and he wants things to be worse? Maybe rather than execution put him in a labor camp and feed him just enough bland food to not starve for 20 years or so to let him know how everyone else lives.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

Psh, everyone knows the poor in America aren't suffering enough. I mean, they have MICROWAVE OVENS the luxurious bastards!

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2011/09/census-poverty-rate-record-2010.html



Yes, there really are people in the world so bourgeois that they actually think this bullshit.

That is some strange nonsense.


In fact, 42% own their own home.

And? This is the result of a lot of the political and economic things.


The vast majority are in good repair, with more living space per person than the average non-poor person in Britain, France or Sweden.

Because we know that the living space is a testament of living quality and conditions, totally. The regrettable U.S. passion for single-family houses and homes with lots of wasted space makes them larger but offers no detail on living standards.


Ninety-six percent of poor parents say their children were never hungry during the year due to an inability to afford food.

Oh my, how could they! It's like they are sincerely troubled that they aren't starving or something.

Eighty percent of poor households have air conditioning and 92% have a microwave.


One-third of poor households have a wide-screen plasma or LCD TV, 70% have a VCR and two-thirds have satellite/cable TV, the same proportion as own at least one DVD player.

The presence of various goods like this is also a wonderful measure, they're kind of grasping at straws here to imply that the poor aren't living austerely enough or something...


Almost 75% have a car or truck and nearly a third have two.

Seeing as you can't really function in most of the United States without one... it must be surprising to them, reality-averted as they are.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

Oh,where is sanity when you need it? :mad:

[MattShizzle]

That is some strange nonsense.



And? This is the result of a lot of the political and economic things.



Because we know that the living space is a testament of living quality and conditions, totally. The regrettable U.S. passion for single-family houses and homes with lots of wasted space makes them larger but offers no detail on living standards.



Oh my, how could they! It's like they are sincerely troubled that they aren't starving or something.

Eighty percent of poor households have air conditioning and 92% have a microwave.



The presence of various goods like this is also a wonderful measure, they're kind of grasping at straws here to imply that the poor aren't living austerely enough or something...



Seeing as you can't really function in most of the United States without one... it must be surprising to them, reality-averted as they are.

I wonder how much of that is even actually true. In the US the poor are nearly 3rd world level poor and more of the help is from private groups than official. Not to mention they don't even mention things like lack of access to health care or the food they get is nutritionally poor.

[kahimikarie]

that's under 500$ a month. how would anyone even afford rent?

[MattShizzle]

that's under 500$ a month. how would anyone even afford rent?

My guess is they'd get rid of anti-slum laws and have people living in rat and roach infested tiny apartments with maybe no electric, no (or only cold) running water for $120 or so a month. Not to mention if it had electric no electrical codes or fire alarms...

[genstrike]

Why should this asshole get a dignified lifestyle when the lower class workers in the US now clearly don't and he wants things to be worse? Maybe rather than execution put him in a labor camp and feed him just enough bland food to not starve for 20 years or so to let him know how everyone else lives.

Better idea: take away all his money and pay him $3 an hour

[MattShizzle]

That would work, too.

[Klaatu]

"US Minimum Wage Should be $3/hr"

As soon as CEO pay is capped at $5 per hour.

[MattShizzle]

"US Minimum Wage Should be $3/hr"

As soon as CEO pay is capped at $5 per hour.


Exactly! There needs to be a "maximum wage." I thought this for years. Any company should have its highest paid employee (either the CEO or owner, etc) not able to make more than say 20 times what the lowest paid worker makes (adjusted for part timers.) Anything over that goes 100% to taxes to help the poor. Right wing assholes say the rich work harder than the poor but that is about as accurate as saying shit tastes better than chocolate.

[Klaatu]

Exactly! There needs to be a "maximum wage." I thought this for years. Any company should have its highest paid employee (either the CEO or owner, etc) not able to make more than say 20 times what the lowest paid worker makes (adjusted for part timers.) Anything over that goes 100% to taxes to help the poor. Right wing assholes say the rich work harder than the poor but that is about as accurate as saying shit tastes better than chocolate.

A maximum wage might prove to be quite a popular idea, especially when more and more people are finding that their good-paying jobs are being stolen from them. I think wages should be set by voters, in the spirit of true socialist ideals. Doctors/surgeons get paid best, while housekeeping/entry-level younger job novices get paid least. (but you can work your way up the ladder, with dedicated loyal service)

I just got off of a right wing forum (Washington times) arguing with a conservative (you wouldn't believe how thick-headed these people are!) I love to prove them wrong and give them true history lessons on how capitalism is not such a great system as they were told it is... love to watch their heads explode (they get mad and start calling me names or just give up all together, because they don't have an argument nor an original idea in their tiny little heads)

[TheGeekySocialist]

most economists and businessmen seem to have the piece of shit evil bastard thing to a T...

maybe we put all them feckers on $3 an hour and see how much they like eh?

[Klaatu]

Isn't it odd that we've had a booming, vibrant economy back in the 1950s ad 60s, when top income tax rates were 70%, and there were a lot of unions whose workers were paid well, and we had lots and lots of "job-killing regulations?" :rolleyes:

[eric922]

Nice to see Ayn Rand and Milton Friedman are alive and well... Seriously, I am so sick of hearing from these sociopaths. I say we make them work for three dollars an hour and see how they like it, hell I'd be happy to see these "job creators" actually work. I don't consider what CEOs do work. CEOs create wealth the way ticks create blood.

[MattShizzle]

CEOs create wealth the way ticks create blood.

I need to remember that one.

[eric922]

Not poker, because that requires some skill. I say flip a coin, to demonstrate how random it is.

[Klaatu]

OOPS I deleted the post


most economists and businessmen seem to have the piece of shit evil bastard thing to a T...

maybe we put all them feckers on $3 an hour and see how much they like eh?

I sure would like to see a Reality TV show where a rich blueblood must give up his caviar and country club for a month, and exchange places with a commoner. Richie can live on hot dogs and drive an oil-burning Chevy to his dirty factory job, while his contestant would be living the life of Riley, in his smoking jacket and going on fox hunts on the estate grounds. To make it even more interesting, let them play a game of chance, like poker, to get at the big prize (Winner-take-all)

If blueblood wins, he gets a big tax cut
But if the commoner wins, he gets the estate :lol:

[Veovis]

Why should this asshole get a dignified lifestyle when the lower class workers in the US now clearly don't and he wants things to be worse? Maybe rather than execution put him in a labor camp and feed him just enough bland food to not starve for 20 years or so to let him know how everyone else lives.

Sorry, I should have been clearer. Living the same lifestyle as everyone else would be a fate worse than death.

[PC LOAD LETTER]

I don't know why I'm still disgusted and surprised by this country's politicians on a daily basis.

I should have come to expect this sort of thing long ago.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Where have I heard this before?

Oh yea...

"The rich people are those who create wealth, and you have to treat them well so they continue to give wealth." - Augusto Pinochet (http://www.lanacion.cl/prontus_noticias/site/artic/20061210/pags/20061210221221.html)

[HEAD ICE]

itt: right winger says a thing :cursing::cursing::cursing::cursing::cursing:

[Psy]

$3/hr wouldn't even cover the cost of working, you'd only get $24 a day. Bus fare costs $3*2=$6 a day (to work and back) so that is only $18 to buy enough food to make it through a working day and of course you'd only be able to sleep in a homeless shelter.

[PhoenixAsh]

The most insane thing about this is not that there are candidates actually seriously saying this and not even that people take them seriously....but that there is not a strong left wing movement in the United States which strongly opposes these kind of views. And I am not just talking about the absence of a strong developed radical left....but of social democrats as well.

Politics in the US seems to fight in positions that are at best right of center...with some, unfortunately notable, exceptions ofcourse. But overall what passes for social democrats in the United States or for liberals even...is mostly center-right here in Holland.

I realise that this is a broad generalisation and that there are al kinds of "ifs" and "buts"...but this is the impression I get.

This means that the entire political debate and the entire political focus is concentrating around the issues of economic worth of people on both sides of the spectrum. That ultimately has a huge effect on how people think and act in society.

Ultimately I think that is to blame at least in part on the two party political system.

[RadioRaheem84]

So what is the logic here?

That if you lower the minimum wage to 3 bucks an hour, that more busineses would hire thus lowering unemployment?

Wouldn't you have another problem: subsistence? How will people live off of that?

Will they have to shack up 6 six to a one bedroom?

Is this the GOP way of making the US more attractive to investment? By lowering the labor costs and thus lowering living standards? Or do they really think that prices will fall in relation to lowered labor costs?

[PhoenixAsh]

Well...the only logic behind it is from the perspective of the bussinesses. Lowering wages will lower the costs increasing the profit margins.

There are some economic right wing think tanks which have said you only need a couple of million of people to be in the middle and upper classes of economic position to maintain your profit margins. The rest of the people you need to keep alive and working...but that is it...you do not need them except as a labour pool.

What they are getting at is basically the old concept of Spartan society....or perhaps a better equation is the situation during the period we now call the Industrial Revlution in which workers were cut of from "society" and lived in slums near the factory and work places.

[RadioRaheem84]

Clearly, it escapes you, because it's so simple. That's why you've so utterly misrepresented it. Your idiotic snark completely ignores the basic laws of supply, demand and price that operate in a free (or, in the case of the U.S., "sort-of" free) market.

Yours is part of the mythical, magical, marxist thinking that claims capitalism has "failed". Union goons and the federal government have been controlling the price of labor for decades. As such, that price hasn't been at equilibrium throughout that entire time but, rather, has corrupted the free market because it is artificially inflated through legislation, i.e., minimum wage and collective bargaining laws. We no longer live in a world where the rationalization for those laws made sense - assuming it ever did.

We saw the effects of this artificial inflation immediately following 1937, which caused a "depression within the Depression" after the NLRA was treated favorably by the SCOTUS. That was followed by an artificial increase in wages that skyrocketed by 15% in three fiscal quarters. The left claims the ensuing drop in productivity and GDP was the result of budget-balancing, a risible assertion on its face, given the facts.

The logic here is this, Mr.cantunderstandplainEnglish: leftist policy and unions have, over the years, managed to price American labor COMPLETELY out of the global market. Now that we live in a truly global economy, that's a very serious problem. Your idiotic, false comparison to the "Industrial Revolution" demonstrates that you don't understand this - or how the economics have changed - even in the slightest.

Eliminating insane minimum wage laws at this point in our history is one of a number of things the U.S. government will HAVE to do if it wants to restart America's economic engine, and promote sane policy that will allow us to once again become competitive with the rest of the world. We are no longer the de facto leader of global manufacturing - far from it. As such, American Labor can no longer simply name its own price.

American wages - and the things they're used to purchase - are going to have to adjust to this reality. The alternative is to commit slow economic suicide.

Response from a right winger once I posted this onto a right wing forum.

[Lucretia]

A lot of libertarian, "free market" types think there should be no minimum wage. Is this really surprising to you? Surprising enough to merit its own thread?

[RadioRaheem84]

I said:


Lowering wages will lower the costs thus increasing the profit margins never seems to enter the minds of people like you

He said:




No. It doesn't. Because that simplistic idiocy doesn't reflect the way things work in the real world. Lowering the costs ALSO allows for the hiring of more employees to increase production, to increase sales, to increase cash flow, to fund more facilities, to expand business, to support borrowing for better equipment. The list goes on.

You see things only through your marxist insanity, which completely ignores what actually happens in a truly free market. At some point you'll start to recognize that it is not the state which produces anything, or employs people in productive enterprises, but "big business" - also small ones, medium sized ones, "Mom & Pop" ones, sole proprietorships, S-corporations and lemonade stands.

[RadioRaheem84]

Well while it pains me that so many Americans accept this logic, it also makes me spirited to know the logic is so easy to dismantle and show how it's literally just the material interests of employers.

[ВАЛТЕР]

3$ an hour? You've got to be shitting me. Bourgeoisie prick, we should stick his ass into a labor camp and make him break rocks all fucking day.

[Philosopher Jay]

I am up in the air on this. Shoot the motherfucker or force him to live his life in a humbled but dignified condition.
Its six of one, half a dozen of the other for me. I can't make up my mind. Flip a coin, I'd take either.
I think we should probably just confiscate all his property and give it to the workingclass, then hand him a gun, put him in a quiet room, and let him decide when to do the right thing.



Now, now. None of this putting people against the wall stuff. Making him live out the rest of his years in a humble, yet dignified lifestyle would be an even greater punishment than death. :thumbup1:

[MattShizzle]

Meanwhile the uber-reactionary Ron Paul and the lunatic Michelle Bachman want to eliminate the minimum wage altogether - and get rid of all or nearly all social safety nets. So the owner class can pay less than a dollar an hour and the poor will have to either accept it or starve.

[Le Rouge]

at least, reducing the minimum wage would wake up the working class.

[xub3rn00dlex]

at least, reducing the minimum wage would wake up the working class.

If it didn't kill them first -.-

[ВАЛТЕР]

Well, back to feudalism it is then. Back to your turnips everyone, nothing to see here!

[socialistjustin]

Then we will have another credit bubble because people certainly couldnt live on $3 an hour and will need access to credit to buy stuff. In the 80's there was an attack on labor and we ended up with a credit crisis. Not too sure they want to go down that route again.

[socialistjustin]

at least, reducing the minimum wage would wake up the working class.

Not necessarily. Unions are being weakened everywhere in the US and I dont see a revolution happening any time soon. I dont want to see people suffer in the hopes that a revolutionary mindset develops.

[RadioRaheem84]

At this point you really see what interests they serve. Propaganda is not enough for them to hide behind this one.

As for their followers, it's not even a matter of logic or reason anymore, it's a matter of them simply drawing battle lines. They've chosen their side. They willfully at this point choose to ignore reason.

If reason and logic and facts and the the truth really solved anything between ideological foes we would a lot more peace in this world.

[Klaatu]

The only way the worker (any worker, in any country) is going to get a fair wage, is for the workers of the world to unite. This means crushing of authoritarian governments (or at least their anti-union laws) and a complete global equalization of wages.

The fact is that our priorities are in the wrong place. The big threat is not terrorism or so-called "radical jihad" or other distractions.

The world's biggest threat is a growing economic inequality.

Gini coefficient
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gini_Index

[ComradeOmar]

IN capitalist USA bank rob u!

[Geiseric]

Isn't materialism looking at what people did and not their possible intentions? How would it look if communists supported lowering wages! The working class needs money, otherwise they will be more succeptible to selling out! workers won't organise in their factories if they're worried of starving. Any talk of "waking up the working class" is menshevism. Any attempt from the boirgeoisie to lower wages should be fought by communists. It will make the later work of rebuilding the economy that much harder if we are in debt.

[MattShizzle]

The only way the worker (any worker, in any country) is going to get a fair wage, is for the workers of the world to unite. This means crushing of authoritarian governments (or at least their anti-union laws) and a complete global equalization of wages.

The fact is that our priorities are in the wrong place. The big threat is not terrorism or so-called "radical jihad" or other distractions.

The world's biggest threat is a growing economic inequality.

Gini coefficient
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gini_Index

Exactly and that's why the bourgoise try to distract us by starting wars in the mideast.

[Klaatu]

Exactly and that's why the bourgoise try to distract us by starting wars in the mideast.

That's right! And Fox News tries to distract their viewers by focusing on a "Mosque built near ground Zero" (who cares?)

These dummies have no real solutions to the growing unemployment problem but to blame Obama. (he is not responsible for the bad economy anyway) and instead of working with him to at least try to solve the crisis, they try to (A) get after his 'real' birth certificate (B) go gunning after ACORN, George Soros, John Stewart, or any other person they perceive as a threat to their agenda and now, (C) they are trying to attack unions and dismantle social security/medicare and environment laws as (somehow) "ruining the country" and "killing jobs"

The REAL job-killer is unfettered capitalist multi-national corporate globalization. Capitalism is killing jobs!!!