Nepal Maoist Party Leadership Heading Towards Surrender - Comrade Kiran aka Mohan Bai

[mosfeld]

Monday, September 19, 2011

Nepal Maoist Party Leadership Heading Towards Surrender - Comrade Kiran aka Mohan Baidya (http://democracyandclasstruggle.blogspot.com/2011/09/party-leadership-heading-towards.html)

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UCPN (Maoist) vice chairman Mohan Baidya has said his party leadership is heading towards a surrender and that it has compromised the progressive path.

In an interview with Nepalnews on Sunday Baidya criticised party chairman Dahal aka Prachanda and Prime Minister Baburam Bhattarai, accusing them of forgetting the spirit of the people's war and ignoring the plight of the families of the martyrs and the injured people..

There is a commentary by the interviewer so it is a bit difficult to translate.

basically Kiran says

we are saying not only the army integration but national security plan has to be formed, integration modality has to be fixed and at the minimum the army integration process has to be carried out in a whole package not part by part.

Interviewer: When the opposition parties are talking the same thing even you guys do the same how the Prime minister will full fill the mission of peace and constitution?

Kiran: The prime minister is of the whole not of the part. he has to follow the party decision. our party has not made such decision. our party has never decided to handover the keys and go for the self regrouping process of the PLA.

When the interviewer asks him about the party's disciplinary action he replies "we are not the one, who are breaching the party discipline but Prachanda and Baburam are, therefore they have to face disciplinary action not us"

http://democracyandclasstruggle.blogspot.com/2011/09/party-leadership-heading-towards.html

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Kiran is just as much an opportunist as Bhattarai and Prachanda. He supported them until the day before yesterday.


]we are saying not only the army integration but national security plan has to be formed, integration modality has to be fixed and at the minimum the army integration process has to be carried out in a whole package not part by part.So he has no principled objection to dissolving the Peoples Liberation Army into the Royal Nepalese Army. The only objections is timing.


Interviewer: When the opposition parties are talking the same thing even you guys do the same how the Prime minister will full fill the mission of peace and constitution?

Kiran: The prime minister is of the whole not of the part. he has to follow the party decision. our party has not made such decision. our party has never decided to handover the keys and go for the self regrouping process of the PLA.The objection about the keys is formalistic. The PLA was basically disarmed years ago. It has languished in camps for years and no longer exists as a fighting force.


When the interviewer asks him about the party's disciplinary action he replies "we are not the one, who are breaching the party discipline but Prachanda and Baburam are, therefore they have to face disciplinary action not us"

http://democracyandclasstruggle.blogspot.com/2011/09/party-leadership-heading-towards.htmlDisciplinary action: give them a spanking and let them keep their positions in the party and, for Bhattarai, as bourgeois prime minister of Nepal.

If this weren't a tragedy for the people of Nepal, it would be funny.

(By the way, mosfeld has me on "ignore" as an excuse not to debate.)

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Just in case anyone is entertaining any fantasies about Kiran being any kind of real oppostion to Prachanda, Bhattarai and Co., here's the latest. Please note also that there are no indications of any significant opposition within the party outside of the powers-that-be.


Internal struggle yes‚ party split no: Maoist top guns

CHINTAMANI PAUDEL

CHITWAN: Top guns of the UCPN-Maoist have expressed their collective determination on Saturday that Maoists won’t split irrespective of intra rifts inflicting the party. 

Senior Maoist leaders, who reached Bharatpur of Chitwan to bestow honors upon elder Maoist leader Khamba Singh Kunwar amid a function organised by the civil society, conveyed their decisiveness that Maoists would not fall apart. 



At the occasion, Maoist supremo Pushpa Kamal Dahal [Prachanda] uttered his confidence that Maoists would remain unified in a new manner. “I am confident that Maoist won’t split rather it is heading to a direction where it would be unified and revolutionary through regular process of discussion, debates and internal struggles,” stated Dahal. 



Reiterating on what party chairaman said, Maoist Vice-chairman and Prime Minister Baburam Bhattarai uttered that Maoist is leading the incumbent government for peace and statute and there is no reason to spit into pieces. Lauding the ideological contributions of Khamba Singh Kunwar, PM said, “Until the team trained by Kaji sahib is here, we would struggle against every sort of endeavors being hatched against party split.” 



At the same occasion, another Maoist Vice-chairman Mohan Baidhya [Kiran] advocated struggle as the inevitable need to provide motility to the party. Baidhya admitted of the ongoing intra rifts within the party but expressed a resolute determination that the party won’t split. “We need to stand together for peace and statute and at the same time to address the hopes and aspirations of people,” said Bidhya.(emph added)

http://www.thehimalayantimes.com/fullNews.php?headline=Internal+struggle+yes%E2%80% 9A+party+split+no%3A+Maoist+top+guns&NewsID=305754

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[manic expression]

Kiran is just as much an opportunist as Bhattarai and Prachanda. He supported them until the day before yesterday.
Of course, a Trotskyist would know nothing about such things.

Still preferring your crystal ball and tarot cards above materialist analysis, I see.

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Of course, a Trotskyist would know nothing about such things.

Still preferring your crystal ball and tarot cards above materialist analysis, I see.How about some facts?

What we are dealing with is the opportunistic sell-out of the entire leadership of the Nepalese Maoist party. It did not take a crystal ball or tarot cards to observe this while it was happening and predict the result. Although I must say that no one seems to have predicted such a complete and total sell-out.

As to materialist analysis, it explains the Maoist sell-out quite well. Having led the working class into an alliance with its enemy the bourgeoisie, the bourgeoisie triumphed over the working class, and the leadership of the Maoists have reaped their reward as the new heads of the bourgeois government of Nepal.

Maoism is the Menshevism of our time.

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[Os Cangaceiros]

Of course, a Trotskyist would know nothing about such things.

Still preferring your crystal ball and tarot cards above materialist analysis, I see.

I mean, it is pretty hard to defend, as far as what the Maoists in Nepal have done. I try and keep a relatively open mind on such things (although of course I've critiqued Maoism), but...what's happened is dismal.

I remember being on this board and seeing people praise Prachanda as the second coming of Maoist Jesus. Now he's being derided as the second coming of Deng.

[scarletghoul]

The short-sightedness of many people is amazing. Things change and situations are fluid. The peoples army still exists, and the process of collaboration with the bourgeoisie is not gonna last for very long. You all probably would have said similar things in the space between february and october '17.

The Nepali revolution is far from over, and I am convinced the masses will be victorious.

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The short-sightedness of many people is amazing.I agree. I am amazed how Maoists often fail to see what is right in front of their eyes.


Things change and situations are fluid.But water is wet (except when it's ice), and rocks are hard (except when they're lava.


The peoples army still existsThe people's army have been moribund for six years. It's weapons are locked up in bins, which are now coming under the control of the government, which is dedicated to the army's liquidation.


and the process of collaboration with the bourgeoisie is not gonna last for very long.You have a written agreement from Prachanda, Bhattarai and Kiran that this is so?


You all probably would have said similar things in the space between february and october '17.Actually that was the role of the Mensheviks, which Maoists are seeking to emulate.


The Nepali revolution is far from over, and I am convinced the masses will be victorious.So am I, some day, but not under the leadership of the traitorous Maoists.

Of course, Comrade, you have totally failed to analyze how the leadership of the poster-child party for Maoism, which a year or so ago could do no wrong, has sold out totally to the bourgeoisie.

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[manic expression]

How about some facts?
OK. Which ones ya got?


What we are dealing with is the opportunistic sell-out of the entire leadership of the Nepalese Maoist party.
:laugh:

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How about some facts?
OK. Which ones ya got?I got two jokers open and one in the hole: Bhattarai, the prime minister of a bourgeois government, Prachanda, his ally, and Kiran pretending opposition but loyal to the party that they lead. Whachou got?


What we are dealing with is the opportunistic sell-out of the entire leadership of the Nepalese Maoist party.
:laugh:I don't know why you think that such a sell-out is so funny?

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[manic expression]

I got two jokers open and one in the hole: Bhattarai, the prime minister of a bourgeois government, Prachanda, his ally, and Kiran pretending opposition but loyal to the party that they lead. Whachou got?
Hm, no king? Oh, that's right, the Maoists took him out of the stack.


I don't know why you think that such a sell-out is so funny?
I think it's funny when you present yourself as some intrepid finder of facts...and then write sectarian silliness like that.

[Ret]

Hm, no king? Oh, that's right, the Maoists took him out of the stack.
No, wrong. Though the Maoists were a significant element, it was a much wider pro-democracy "Jana Andolan-II" movement - including the Seven Party Alliance and major street protests - which stripped the King of his powers; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_democracy_movement_in_Nepal

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I think it's funny when you present yourself as some intrepid finder of facts...and then write sectarian silliness like that.There's nothing sectarian about what I've written.

Fact is that the leadership of one of the most prominent Maoist parties in the world has sold out and is now running a bourgeois government. You can't get away from that. And to put forth Kiran as an oppositionist is nonsense. In addition, there are no significant factions with the Nepalese Maoist party that are in opposition in any meaningful way.

A complete, texbook sell-out.

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[North Star]

There's nothing sectarian about what I've written.

Fact is that the leadership of one of the most prominent Maoist parties in the world has sold out and is now running a bourgeois government. You can't get away from that. And to put forth Kiran as an oppositionist is nonsense. In addition, there are no significant factions with the Nepalese Maoist party that are in opposition in any meaningful way.

A complete, texbook sell-out.

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If Kiran were to initiate a split and return to a PPW, it would be futile. Maybe some experienced PLA forces would go with him, but some would not and aid the government in counter-insurgency efforts. I also doubt that Kiran's Maoist party/army would even be able to attract much legitimacy. I would assume at this point that the Nepalese workers and peasants would probably not be in the mood for more conflict.

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Baidya to launch ‘internal struggle’ in Maoist party to revoke BIPPA; UML chair too takes exception to the pact


Maoist vice chairman Mohan Baidya [Kiran] Monday said his faction is going to launch ‘struggle’ within the party for the annulment of the Bilateral Investment Promotion and Protection Agreement (BIPPA) signed between Nepal and India during Prime Minister Baburam Bhattarai’s visit to New Delhi in October.

“Our party does not support BIPPA. Baburam signed it even without the knowledge of our party chairman,” Baidya said while speaking at an interaction on BIPPA jointly organised by 19 political parties.

He also argued that Bhattarai signed the agreement to prolong his stay in the government and vowed not to allow the government to present it to the parliament for endorsement“If it does not get entry into the parliament it will get repealed automatically," said the hardliner Maoist leader.

Speaking at the same programme, UML chairman Jhala Nath Khanal also said BIPPA is not in the interest of Nepal and that it was signed without completing due procedures.

“BIPPA is hundred percent flawed as far as procedure is concerned. The government signed it unilaterally, ignoring the interest of the Nepali people,” said he.http://www.nepalnews.com/archive/2011/dec/dec05/news17.php

The Nepali Maoists continue on their path, and Kiran's opposition is exposed as a big nothing.

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