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Kornilios Sunshine
20th September 2011, 21:14
I have heard it many times and seen it in many propaganda posters that the Workers can make it without having bosses.How can this exactly happen?

I am showing no offense to the working I am just asking.

Thanks.:D

Broletariat
20th September 2011, 21:15
Do you do better work with someone hassling you about deadlines and staring over your shoulder, or when you're left alone to do your work?

Rafiq
20th September 2011, 21:16
How can slaves make it without masters?

Kornilios Sunshine
20th September 2011, 21:20
Do you do better work with someone hassling you about deadlines and staring over your shoulder, or when you're left alone to do your work?
I am going to go with the second option.

Ballyfornia
20th September 2011, 21:24
There are worker co-operatives that exist. That shows you don't need bosses.

Commissar Rykov
20th September 2011, 21:26
Do you do better work with someone hassling you about deadlines and staring over your shoulder, or when you're left alone to do your work?
Exactly, Management has always slowed down production from what I have seen working on lines and other jobs because they need to nitpick or whine about something utterly irrelevant while making sure everything is in order. Hell a lot of the "improvements" that management thought they were making typically slowed down production dramatically because it was completely out of touch with actual production.

Yugo45
20th September 2011, 22:33
In Yugoslavia we had "Workers' self-management" where workers themselves do the management (as the name implies), things like customer care, production methods etc. Then they decide where to export their stuff, share the money and that's it!

And it worked.

Of course that's just the simplified versions, and sure, it had some flaws. But it worked. People actually enjoyed going to work. And this is a fact, not something I just made up. People were just very friendlier in this system. And it's for obvious reasons. You don't need to worry will you get sacked, you don't need to worry if you will get payed, and you don't need to kiss ass to be in charge becuase you already are.

Stork
22nd September 2011, 22:10
You produce, the amount earned by the labour is your wage. You give a service, the amount earned by providing the service is your wage. Example, you work in a toy factory, you make 100 teddy bears one day and teddy bears sell for 10G (obviously not £, € or $ but precious metal or whatever) you made 1000G today, that sounds like allot, but you'll need to transport these from the factory to the distributors. The factory pooled their earnings voluntarily to by a van so they wouldn't have to hire one, Tom drives the van and takes the teddy bears to the market to be sold, Tom's wage is 500G, this covers the fuel price and pays Tom's wage, which is decided by how much people would pay him. You can see from this that rent and other means of exploitation are now eliminated, everyone is paid the correct wage based on the free market and there's no Capitalist or state to take what is not earned through labour.
Have I understood mutualism correctly? Of course, this is only 1 theory, there's tonnes ways workers can earn a way without bosses and middle-men.

Le Socialiste
22nd September 2011, 22:24
Well, workers can solve that little issue by making sure all decisions and matters pertinent to production and distribution are discussed and voted on through democratic means - without the presence of one or more bosses. Management is little more than a tool with which to keep the workers productive and in line. It isn't what makes (or keeps) a business or workplace or industry running. Workers are more than capable of running their respective workplaces without the fear of managment breathing down their necks to ensure profits are made.

piet11111
23rd September 2011, 12:28
The workers already do the accounting and keeping inventory we make the stuff and we do the quality control we pick up the phone to talk to the customers.
Then the boss comes in and takes the lion's share for his "hard work"