Circumcision

[Nox]

Advantages?

Disadvantages?

Should it be done on babies?

Should it be legal?

[ВАЛТЕР]

No real advantages. Disadvantages are you will not enjoy sex to its maximum potential if you are circumcised from what I hear.

I think it should be illegal as hell to mutilate a child based on religious/cultural beliefs. Let the child grow up to be a man and see how willing he will be to cut a piece of his penis off.

[manic expression]

You have to constantly clean uncircumcised penises, I've heard.

[Die Rote Fahne]

You have to constantly clean uncircumcised penises, I've heard.
It's really not that hard...ahaha...if you shower daily, you take 10 seconds out of your shower routine to pull it back, rinse, soap up, rinse again....done.

[Kosakk]

No real advantages. Disadvantages are you will not enjoy sex to its maximum potential if you are circumcised from what I hear.

I think it should be illegal as hell to mutilate a child based on religious/cultural beliefs. Let the child grow up to be a man and see how willing he will be to cut a piece of his penis off.

It's harmful for girls, and is basically a mutiliation. I'm not gonna go into details, but from what I've heard, it's really painful for them.
So, a circumcision for girls should be outlawed.

For men, however, there's an issue regarding health. Some are born with a too tight/small foreskin, and will therefore need a circumcision.
To avoid a growth of bacterias in the urethra. Their sexual life will actually benefit from it.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

I don't see the point in circumcision for healthy people who need no such procedure.

[Smyg]

You have to constantly clean uncircumcised penises, I've heard.

I've personally haven't had any problems with it. :D

[ВАЛТЕР]

You have to constantly clean uncircumcised penises, I've heard.

You basically take a shower and let the water get in there a bit...nothing too stressful. I wouldn't recommend circumcision out of laziness lol

[Tenka]

Routine infant circumcision is absolutely unjustifiable. The foreskins of un-consenting (not that they can be anything but...) infants should be cut only in the exceptionally rare case that such procedure is medically necessary. It is quite a noticeable thing if you've seen enough penises outside of your immediate area (most of the world is uncircumcised), and it is something that sticks with one for the rest of their life, that they themselves could not possibly have had a say in.

The protection offered from STD's and cancer of the penis (the latter of which is extremely rare, by the way) is negligible at best, but I believe it's exaggerated particularly by Americans who feel the need to justify generations of arbitrary circumcisions performed, earlier on some good ol' Victorian advice that it prevents Masturbation.
It, of course, doesn't prevent masturbation, but sure can make it more tedious.

Edit: This is of course ignoring the religious aspect of it.

[danyboy27]

Advantages?

no.



Disadvantages?

Yes. Loss of sensibility, more prone to infections, painful etc.



Should it be done on babies?

Never. No one should mutilate a baby for any reason unless necessary for his/her survival.



Should it be legal?

If you are an adult and wish to have yourself cut for any reasons, go ahead, but shouldnt be forced on a child.

[Luc]

[QUOTE=Tenka;2237512]It, of course, doesn't prevent masturbation, but sure can make it more tedious.[QUOTE]

Yeah no kidding.:lol:

I don't feel anything until the end.

On the plus side of circumcision you get a bad ass scar:rolleyes:

[danyboy27]

[QUOTE=Tenka;2237512]It, of course, doesn't prevent masturbation, but sure can make it more tedious.[QUOTE]

Yeah no kidding.:lol:

I don't feel anything until the end.

On the plus side of circumcision you get a bad ass scar:rolleyes:

if you really want a badass scar you could just, you know, use a knife and do it on your face /arm.

i would rather have a scar in the face than loose sensibility on my dick.

[¿Que?]

I don't believe Lenin, Stalin or Mao were circumcised. As for Trotsky, well, pretty sure he was. So was Marx but probably not Engels. But that's all basically speculation on my part. Wouldn't even know where to begin corroborating that.

[Salyut]

I don't believe Lenin, Stalin or Mao were circumcised.

...well Lenin and Mao are kinda...preserved so...yeah...

[Tablo]

I'm circumcised. I don't mind that my parents had it done at all, but I think that it is a decision a person should make on their own when they are capable of doing so. Male and female circumcision aren't even comparable.

[Tenka]

I'm circumcised. I don't mind that my parents had it done at all, but I think that it is a decision a person should make on their own when they are capable of doing so. Male and female circumcision aren't even comparable.
They are comparable in the sense that they're both genital mutilation performed on, for the most part, unwilling people. Not to say they're equal in severity and harm and outright gruesomeness, though. Both should be entirely up to whomsoever is getting cut when they're old enough to really make such a decision (though I don't know why they would, except perhaps some really lazy males...).

[Sasha]

Like any nonreversable bodymodification I see no problem with it, if its done voluntarily on an consenting adult that is.
parents, let alone society, let alone religion need to keep their fucking hands and knives from children their genitalia though.
no medical necessity? no cutting in children.

[Luc]

if you really want a badass scar you could just, you know, use a knife and do it on your face /arm.

i would rather have a scar in the face than loose sensibility on my dick.

I was being sarcastic thats why I put the eye roll, I thought thats what it was for.

However I did word that horribly sorry!:lol:

[socialistjustin]

I have plenty of sensibility so I am not sure I buy the loss of sensibility thing.


Dont agree with parents doimg this shit to their children though. I personally dont care that they had the doc do it, but it should be a responsible adults decision.

[xub3rn00dlex]

I have plenty of sensibility so I am not sure I buy the loss of sensibility thing.


Dont agree with parents doimg this shit to their children though. I personally dont care that they had the doc do it, but it should be a responsible adults decision.

From a biologic standpoint there is a loss of sensibility, but it doesn't mean you completely lose all feeling in your penis lol. The foreskin is loaded with nerve endings, and since all of these are very sensitive they heighten the pleasure received during intercourse. The loss of the foreskin causes these nerve endings to disappear, so there is less sensitivity if you have no foreskin. But again, it doesn't mean your dick is numb lol. :)

[Die Rote Fahne]

If Lenin's family were religious, they would likely have circumcised him, being Jewish and all.

[Luc]

Perhaps we will last longer without it then:thumbup1:

[Misanthrope]

I don't believe Lenin, Stalin or Mao were circumcised. As for Trotsky, well, pretty sure he was. So was Marx but probably not Engels.

pics or it didn't happen

anyway... does anyone feel queasy or to quote EB White feel the chill of death in their groin when talking about this subject?

circumcised from Catholic family btw.

[xub3rn00dlex]

Perhaps we will last longer without it then:thumbup1:

I've heard that theory plenty, and I am curious as to whether or not this is true. Ultimately it is about control though isn't it? I personally like long steamy sex, so I use durex performax ( benzocaine ) condoms so I guess that would counter the theory if it is true. The desensitization doesn't bother me one bit, and allows me to take the girl that extra mile or so, because when I have sex I pretty make it all about her pleasure instead of mine lol.

[Magón]

I think if it's illegal to circumsize a female, it should be so with a male. But that's not to say, I don't think if a guy when he's older, so chooses to get circumcised, he shouldn't be allowed; but cutting on babies is just weird to me to start with.

[socialistjustin]

I know your dick doesnt go numb, I am only saying that its probably a minimal loss of sensibility as I still feel plenty of pleasure. Maybe I am lucky I dunno.

[Luc]

I've heard that theory plenty, and I am curious as to whether or not this is true. Ultimately it is about control though isn't it? I personally like long steamy sex, so I use durex performax ( benzocaine ) condoms so I guess that would counter the theory if it is true. The desensitization doesn't bother me one bit, and allows me to take the girl that extra mile or so, because when I have sex I pretty make it all about her pleasure instead of mine lol.

Yeah I agree about the control, been trying to learn techniques for endurance tranining but its not gunna work with a hand its completely different (or so I hear....:()

thanks I will look for those condoms, to me sex is pointless if she doesn't climax as well.:thumbup1: Much respect for you!

[xub3rn00dlex]

Yeah I agree about the control, been trying to learn techniques for endurance tranining but its not gunna work with a hand its completely different (or so I hear....:()

thanks I will look for those condoms, to me sex is pointless if she doesn't climax as well.:thumbup1: Much respect for you!

I think all the brands produce those condoms, just look for the benzocaine ingredient. I just prefer durex because the other brands feel too tight and constrict my penis, which really affects sex if your blood can't get to where it needs to be haha.

If I put one of those on I can usually go for over an hour. If you plan on doing it multiple times, I suggest washing off the benzocaine after your first orgasm and then slapping on whatever condom you prefer.

In my experience I will go for the hour and a half or so, wash it off, wait 15 minutes for recovery, and then if she is still horny use whatever other condoms I bring since I'm pretty desensitized and don't need to worry about duration anymore.

[Luc]

I think all the brands produce those condoms, just look for the benzocaine ingredient. I just prefer durex because the other brands feel too tight and constrict my penis, which really affects sex if your blood can't get to where it needs to be haha.

If I put one of those on I can usually go for over an hour. If you plan on doing it multiple times, I suggest washing off the benzocaine after your first orgasm and then slapping on whatever condom you prefer.

In my experience I will go for the hour and a half or so, wash it off, wait 15 minutes for recovery, and then if she is still horny use whatever other condoms I bring since I'm pretty desensitized and don't need to worry about duration anymore.

over an hour? Sir, you are an inspiriation

thanks for the tips

I may be an atheist but I pray for the day (night?) I can use this :lol:

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

I've heard that theory plenty, and I am curious as to whether or not this is true.

I seem to recall reading that this theory is wrong, but honestly I can't be arsed to search for anything regarding it or even remember where this was. You might find some studies with some searches.

[Nox]

I suppose some of you are wondering why I asked it, I'm arguing with a friend who thinks that circumcision = better sex.

Also, I've heard that in Jewish baby circumcision ceremonies, the Rabbi sucks the blood from the baby's penis - and from what I've gathered that's actually true... fucking disgusting.

[Leftie]

No real advantages. Disadvantages are you will not enjoy sex to its maximum potential if you are circumcised from what I hear.

I think it should be illegal as hell to mutilate a child based on religious/cultural beliefs. Let the child grow up to be a man and see how willing he will be to cut a piece of his penis off.



I've heard that its much more pleasurable without the foreskin.

At any rate there are proven benefits to health as well as hygiene.

There are no real disadvantages so I think parents should be allowed to choose to have it done to their sons.

[Leftie]

If Lenin's family were religious, they would likely have circumcised him, being Jewish and all.

Lenins family was pretty religious...and not jewish.

[Smyg]

I think if it's illegal to circumsize a female, it should be so with a male. But that's not to say, I don't think if a guy when he's older, so chooses to get circumcised, he shouldn't be allowed; but cutting on babies is just weird to me to start with.

You do realise that there is a big goddamn difference between male and female cirumscision? :blink:

[Nuvem]

Also, I've heard that in Jewish baby circumcision ceremonies, the Rabbi sucks the blood from the baby's penis - and from what I've gathered that's actually true... fucking disgusting.

Yes, that is the traditional method. Some in the modern day use suction devices instead as it's more sanitary and less, urr...fucked up. But it's not out of the ordinary for traditionalists to do it the old fashioned way.

Circumcised from birth here, like most American men. I don't really mind being circumcised, but I'm fully aware that this is because I've never experienced NOT being circumcised and can't really imagine what a higher level of sexual pleasure than I have experienced would feel like, precisely because I haven't experienced it- so while I'm not personally affected, I share the general view that arbitrary circumcision on children is unacceptable.

That being said, I'm kind of glad that I am. I've had an uncut friend tear his foreskin before, which was followed by several months of agony as he had to do at-home physical therapy by using some handheld metal device to stretch his foreskin so that it healed properly. In the process, he managed to tear it open again. I was quite horrified by this tale and am grateful that I will never have the possibility of that happening to me; but again, this personal feeling is entirely colored by the fact that I've never experienced the grass on the other side of the field.

[Die Rote Fahne]

Lenins family was pretty religious...and not jewish.

His grandfather was Jewish, my bad.

[Nox]

His grandfather was Jewish, my bad.

OMFG! Jewish Bolshevik Conspiracy!

[Fopeos]

Personally, I think it's wrong to mutilate the genetalia of our offspring. I've got two friends who refused to have it done to their sons. They both caught a bunch of crap for it at the hospital. All that old "risk of infection" bull.
Is cleaning your junk really so difficult? How many thousands of years had men been carrying penises (peni?)around before someone came up with circumcision? They must've functioned just fine.
Are birthrates higher in the uncircumcised world?

[Luc]

[QUOTE=Fopeos;2238435]Personally, I think it's wrong to mutilate the genetalia of our offspring. I've got two friends who refused to have it done to their sons. They both caught a bunch of crap for it at the hospital. All that old "risk of infection" bull.
Is cleaning your junk really so difficult? How many thousands of years had men been carrying penises (peni?)around before someone came up with circumcision?[QUOTE]

I believe it makes it easier for the child to wash himself and the parent won't have to pull back the foreskin when they are cleaning him (the child). I don't think they are thinking about adults or teens.

I don't know anythign about female circumcism (can't really say anything about it so I was talking about males above only) though, do they clip part of the clitoral hood? I can't really think of another foreskin equivalent unless I just mixed up what a clitoral hood was. :unsure:

Hardly any advantages and more disadvantages though so I'd be against it (circumcising a new born) unless it for medical reasons as mentioned earlier.

[Smyg]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_circumcision

There you go. Read. Learn. Be repulsed.

[Luc]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_circumcision

There you go. Read. Learn. Be repulsed.

oh fuck FGM?! I thought it was somthing different, yeah I'm dead against that. read about that a mounth ago (same page, wiki ftw!) makes me sick and from what I see atm there isn't any medical reasons. /rage

[Magón]

You do realise that there is a big goddamn difference between male and female cirumscision? :blink:

I see no difference in the mutilation of a female to a male baby. In both circumcision procedures, the "hood" is removed. There is no "big goddamn difference".

[xub3rn00dlex]

I've heard that its much more pleasurable without the foreskin.

At any rate there are proven benefits to health as well as hygiene.

There are no real disadvantages so I think parents should be allowed to choose to have it done to their sons.

NO. There are no "proven benefits" to health or hygiene, that is a load of basura. Parents shouldn't be allowed to clip off any part of their children, considering their children are not property. Let the kids grow up, and make a rational choice if they want to do it or not.

And why are you so ok having it done to male children, but don't mention female children? It's no different, it's mutilation for either gender. Double standard much?

[Princess Luna]

I see no difference in the mutilation of a female to a male baby. In both circumcision procedures, the "hood" is removed. There is no "big goddamn difference".
NO. There are no "proven benefits" to health or hygiene, that is a load of basura. Parents shouldn't be allowed to clip off any part of their children, considering their children are not property. Let the kids grow up, and make a rational choice if they want to do it or not.

And why are you so ok having it done to male children, but don't mention female children? It's no different, it's mutilation for either gender. Double standard much?
Except female circumcision is a lot more tramatic to the infant/person. This is because the Clitoris (they don't remove 'the hood' in FGM, they remove the Clitoris (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clitoris) in order to keep women from getting any sexual pleasure) is far more sensatative than the foreskin on a penis. In fact from what I have read, it sounds like cutting the clitoris off a women, would be the equivalent of cutting the head off a guys penis, and by head i don't mean just the foreskin........

[redtex]

I think it should be illegal as hell to mutilate a child based on religious/cultural beliefs.

Yes, one detail though. In my opinion there should be only one law. That is it is illegal to harm another person without their consent. That covers circumcising babies obviously.

[Sentinel]

I don't believe Lenin, Stalin or Mao were circumcised. As for Trotsky, well, pretty sure he was. So was Marx but probably not EngelsSeeing that Marx' father had converted to Protestantism before his son was born I wouldn't be too certain about that. I really don't know though.


Except female circumcision is a lot more tramatic to the infant/person. i think this is because the Clitoris is far more sensatative than the foreskin on a penis. Not 100% sure about this because I am not a girlThe male equalent to female circumcision would be removing the penis rather than the foreskin, so you can say that yeah. It's a horrible practice.

[Princess Luna]

Seeing that Marx' father had converted to Protestantism before his son was born I wouldn't be too certain about that. I really don't know though.
From what I have read the only reason Marx's father "converted" to protestantism, was to escape the rampant anti-Semitism in Germany at the time. It wasn't a true conversion, so most likely he would have continued to practice Jewish rituals in private.

[Sentinel]

From what I have read the only reason Marx's father "converted" to protestantism, was to escape the rampant anti-Semitism in Germany at the time. It wasn't a true conversion, so most likely he would have continued to practice Jewish rituals in private.Maybe. He also received a secular education and was into the ideas of enlightenment though. That combined with the fact that he would officially convert to another religion might suggest that he wasn't very religious at all, and might have neglected to follow such practices due to that as well.

But as I said I don't know for sure (nor do I care that much tbh).

[dodger]

Female mutilation is a barbaric crime....backward ideas when thrust into our society by adherents to primitive cultures must be combated. The full force of the law brought to bear so the message sinks in. We will not tolerate children being mutilated. Enlightened muslim clergy must play a role in preventing this travesty. Although it must be said it is not just muslim societies that practice but christian and animist ones too. The procedure is traumatic and often unhygenic conditions resulting in children dying in agony.

As for male circumcision here in Wifey's homeland politicians hand them out at elections. As do government troops (hearts and minds!!). The cut takes place at 8 years old in christian areas, not sure about muslim or Lumad. At 62yrs and pretty resigned by now to living in the skin I am in, my dear beloved looked down at me..and remarked (IT) would look more handsome if I was circumcised! It all started to fall into place....every Sunday we go to Sisters place for family reunion.....and worship. I don't take part but sit in the Nippa hut sipping coffee and listening to their fine voices. Almost all her relatives brought up the subject of circumcision over many Sundays...part of the propaganda softening up exercise I now strongly suspect. "CONCERNED"...or as my English might express it "BUSYBODY" they each in turn, in their version of @[email protected] to sell the idea. HAHAHA!!....Not a chance.....I saw how that 8yr old neighbours son ran into our yard, climbed our Mango and refused to come down, until nightfall. He won the battle, but lost the war...the following day with Sisters Aunts and an uncle he was frogmarched to the clinic. No wonder there is an armed guard with street clearer shotgun and high walls with barbed wire......I shall be staying in the tree house for as long as it takes!!! He tearfully showed me the bruises where he had been pinched by his female siblings....still it must have taken his mind off pain elsewhere.......It's been a couple of years now, I am still a Cavalier...not a Roundhead.....though I don't sleep quite so soundly as I used to........

[Yuppie Grinder]

OMFG! Jewish Bolshevik Conspiracy!
Communism is a Jewish conspiracy to mutilate our Aryan children's dicks!

ho ho ho

[Die Rote Fahne]

Female mutilation is a barbaric crime....backward ideas when thrust into our society by adherents to primitive cultures must be combated. The full force of the law brought to bear so the message sinks in. We will not tolerate children being mutilated. Enlightened muslim clergy must play a role in preventing this travesty. Although it must be said it is not just muslim societies that practice but christian and animist ones too. The procedure is traumatic and often unhygenic conditions resulting in children dying in agony.

As for male circumcision here in Wifey's homeland politicians hand them out at elections. As do government troops (hearts and minds!!). The cut takes place at 8 years old in christian areas, not sure about muslim or Lumad. At 62yrs and pretty resigned by now to living in the skin I am in, my dear beloved looked down at me..and remarked (IT) would look more handsome if I was circumcised! It all started to fall into place....every Sunday we go to Sisters place for family reunion.....and worship. I don't take part but sit in the Nippa hut sipping coffee and listening to their fine voices. Almost all her relatives brought up the subject of circumcision over many Sundays...part of the propaganda softening up exercise I now strongly suspect. "CONCERNED"...or as my English might express it "BUSYBODY" they each in turn, in their version of @[email protected] to sell the idea. HAHAHA!!....Not a chance.....I saw how that 8yr old neighbours son ran into our yard, climbed our Mango and refused to come down, until nightfall. He won the battle, but lost the war...the following day with Sisters Aunts and an uncle he was frogmarched to the clinic. No wonder there is an armed guard with street clearer shotgun and high walls with barbed wire......I shall be staying in the tree house for as long as it takes!!! He tearfully showed me the bruises where he had been pinched by his female siblings....still it must have taken his mind off pain elsewhere.......It's been a couple of years now, I am still a Cavalier...not a Roundhead.....though I don't sleep quite so soundly as I used to........

The fuck...

[pastradamus]

Female mutilation / Circumcision is not only a violation of Humanitarian rights its also a violation of Female rights and is such a deplorable and horrid crime that I believe anyone who commits such an act should recieve the most severe Prison sentences. When you think about it is not only an act of mutilating a persons body but also a form of pederasty and rape. Some acts of murder aren't even on a level with FGM.

As for mutilation of the Male penis, it is a procedure carried out the world over and is also a form of child mutilation, pederasty and should carry harsh prison sentences. It is a barbaric tribal and religious act that has no place in civilised society. The hypocracy coming from America withs regards this is appaling. On the one hand they are outspoken about FGM and on the other they assume legal consent (the will proceed with circumcision unless told otherwise by the parent) withs regards Male Circumcision. They also like to tell you that the infant feels nothing - this is a complete lie. The infant has enoungh of a developed nervous system to feel every bit of pain from this appaling act.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Male circumcision has medical applications, but that's about it as far as I'm aware. Otherwise, no.

[brigadista]

only where medically necessary

not on any babies or children

its child abuse

[Nox]

Male and Female circumcision shouldn't be compared to see which one is worse than the other.

The bottom line is that they're both fucking stupid and should both be made illegal.

[Die Rote Fahne]

Seriously, if I needed to use lube to jerk off, id have been a broke ass teenager...

Thank you foreskin!

[pastradamus]

Male circumcision has medical applications, but that's about it as far as I'm aware. Otherwise, no.

Its a very unusual occurrence that a circumcision needs to be performed for medical reasons such as infections, deformities and other unusual situations. Forced circumcision is a painful form of unnecessary surgery.

[Magón]

Except female circumcision is a lot more tramatic to the infant/person. This is because the Clitoris (they don't remove 'the hood' in FGM, they remove the Clitoris (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clitoris) in order to keep women from getting any sexual pleasure) is far more sensatative than the foreskin on a penis. In fact from what I have read, it sounds like cutting the clitoris off a women, would be the equivalent of cutting the head off a guys penis, and by head i don't mean just the foreskin........

There have still been plenty of cases of male circumcision, where the removal of the foreskin has gone wrong in one way or another, causing the male pain afterwards and continuing into the future of their life. (Which it's hard to correct depending on the severity of the screwup, and most of the time cannot be.) The mutilation of a small being, without it's consent is just wrong and fucked up. People on here support woman's right to choose to abort or not to abort her child, so why should the mutilation of a child be any different when it comes to letting that child grow up and make his own choice?

[Princess Luna]

There have still been plenty of cases of male circumcision, where the removal of the foreskin has gone wrong in one way or another, causing the male pain afterwards and continuing into the future of their life. (Which it's hard to correct depending on the severity of the screwup, and most of the time cannot be.) The mutilation of a small being, without it's consent is just wrong and fucked up. People on here support woman's right to choose to abort or not to abort her child, so why should the mutilation of a child be any different when it comes to letting that child grow up and make his own choice?
I oppose Circumcision on infants of both gender, but female circumcision is alot more heinous then male circumcision that was the only point I was trying to make, but I do agree both should be banned.

[Nox]

Its a very unusual occurrence that a circumcision needs to be performed for medical reasons such as infections, deformities and other unusual situations. Forced circumcision is a painful form of unnecessary surgery.

My younger brother was circumcised for medical reasons, his foreskin didn't grow properly (or something like that).

Not refuting your comment of course, just though I'd mention that.

[Luc]

nvm :unsure: