Oh, SHIT

[ColonelCossack]

My Mum's aunt is called Lady Anna Benting.


What can I do? How can I ever show my metaphorical face on Revleft again with such bourgeois roots?

Luckily, the link is only by marriage, not by blood.

But still... damnit! I feel like a hypocrite!

[Le Socialiste]

I'm American...does the title actually mean anything? :confused:

Or did I miss the joke...:D

[xub3rn00dlex]

I suggest a name change... Sir ColonelCossak. :D

[TheGodlessUtopian]

Nothing big, doesn't change who you are or what you stand for. :)

[ColonelCossack]

I suggest a name change... Sir ColonelCossak. :D

Lol.


I'm American...does the title actually mean anything? :confused:

Or did I miss the joke...:D

Nah, she's European. I'm from the UK. i think it's related to the holy roman empire, or some shit like that. I think it's like, the equivalent of a "sir".

Oh crap... I've started boasting about genealogies. the transformation has started! NOOOOOOOOOOOO! I'm turning BOURGEOIS!!!!!


Nothing big, doesn't change who you are or what you stand for. :)

True... I'm an M-L anyway, so not much difference. :P Only joking.

[thesadmafioso]

I can't really tell how much of this post was written with a comedic intent, but class instincts can be overcome through the concise application of Marxist philosophy.

Though I don't know if those class instincts are really relevant to this matter if you are just discovering that now, so such a process might not even be necessary.

[ColonelCossack]

I can't really tell how much of this post was written with a comedic intent

All of it, mate, though it does worry me a bit. Well, not really. It's not like I'm actually turning into a dirty snobby fucker. I've been affected by capitalism enough to hate it... :P

[A Revolutionary Tool]

I have bourgeois relatives on my mom's side. Their company builds houses. They live in a house with 8 rooms in it all alone and nobody visits them because nobody can stand them. They're very sad, pathetic, people.

[Property Is Robbery]

In a way I'm proud my whole family is working class. But at the same time it would be nice to have a sense of financial security.

[ColonelCossack]

I have bourgeois relatives on my mom's side. Their company builds houses. They live in a house with 8 rooms in it all alone and nobody visits them because nobody can stand them. They're very sad, pathetic, people.

Surprisingly, she's actually quite nice. She even votes labour! Yeah, I know that's shit, but what do you expect from an aristocrat. At least she's not a Tory. Not that there's that much of a difference.

[Landsharks eat metal]

It's okay. Apparently one of my ancestors at some point owned a lace factory... :(

[RHIZOMES]

I'm a descendent of 19th century Brazillian slaveowners and an 18th century British industrialist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Boulton), I feel your pain.

My immediate circumstances are quite working class however... somehow...

[ColonelCossack]

It's okay. Apparently one of my ancestors at some point owned a lace factory... :(

Well, look at Engels. His dad owned a factory... or something.

[RHIZOMES]

On the plus side I'm also a descendent of Danish and Welsh peasants (this is why ethnic identity is ambiguous).

[TheGodlessUtopian]

I wish I knew what my ancestors were :(

[ColonelCossack]

I'm a descendent of 19th century Brazillian slaveowners and an 18th century British industrialist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Boulton), I feel your pain.

My immediate circumstances are quite working class however... somehow...

I am in exactly the same predicament. Except all around me almost everyone i'm related to, except my immediate family, is rich... :blink:

[RHIZOMES]

I wish I knew what my ancestors were :(

Knowing your genealogy is generally something only middle-class people have the leisure and time to care about. This is why I know so much more about my paternal genealogy (the slaveowners/industrialists) than my maternal (just some vague thing about "peasants"), since the former side of my family has been far more bourgeois throughout the ages.


I am in exactly the same predicament. Except all around me almost everyone i'm related to, except my immediate family, is rich... :blink:

I have some very fucked up personal circumstances behind my conception, so I'm in a similar boat. Although I've come to realise my maternal side is a lot less privileged then I thought when I was younger.

[Commissar Rykov]

My ancestors stole horses! Take that you Bourgie Fucks!:p

[ColonelCossack]

I wish I knew what my ancestors were :(

I'm related to Earnest Shackleton... somehow. Other than that and the whole european aristocracy thing i have no clue about my ancestors. Except for the fact that at one point they must have lived in caves...



Knowing your genealogy is generally something only middle-class people have the leisure and time to care about. This is why I know so much more about my paternal genealogy (the slaveowners/industrialists) than my maternal (just some vague thing about "peasants"), since the former side of my family has been far more bourgeois throughout the ages.
This.

[Le Socialiste]

Apparently I'm the descendent of two presidents (Martin Van Buren and William Henry Harrison)...:blink:

[A Revolutionary Tool]

I had a bad ass gangster great uncle(or something like that) on my mothers side who was in Alcatraz for a bank robbery. He killed a guard in a attempt to escape. If you've ever been there they have these audiotape tours and when it got to the part where it said he executed a guard who they had hostage a little part inside of me was cheering. I guess I'm also related to Isaac Newton somehow.

[Rooster]

Apparently, everyone of European descent is related to Charlemange. We all feel your pain.

[Agent Ducky]

My dad owns a really small business and my mom works for the government. ENEMIEEEEES.... Yeah. I understand.

[Susurrus]

One of my grandmothers is a Cuban exile and the other was a Russian daughter of an archbishop who worked as a translator for the Nazis to flee the USSR, then went over to the Americans. One of my grandfathers worked as a border guard and the other turned the tv off and swore furiously whenever it showed a black person. So yeah, not the most leftist roots.

[Magón]

Some of my ancestors fought against 15th & 16th Century Imperialism. And then it just so happens, another part were those 15th & 16th Century Imperialists.

http://www.mexicovacationtravels.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/moctezuma.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5a/Cortes.jpg

[Dzerzhinsky's Ghost]

I'm pretty sure Kropotkin was a prince or something. Ultimately I don't think it matters, if you're a worker you're a worker the titles of the past don't mean a thing. Are you, yourself an artisocrat? Do live all bourgy like? I can't really relate, my family has all been working class, pretty much the only interesting thing would be a lot of them were Ba'athists, I'm not sure about the distant old family though. I don't know, seems pretty silly to get in a huff about.

[Nox]

I'm related to Pol Pot.

Only kidding.

[thefinalmarch]

I think I take the cake here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_Benyovszky
Hungarian nobleman, colonialist, ruler of part of Madagascar, slave-trader, and member of the military-officer corps of both France and Poland.

[RHIZOMES]

Some of my ancestors fought against 15th & 16th Century Imperialism. And then it just so happens, another part were those 15th & 16th Century Imperialists.

http://www.mexicovacationtravels.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/moctezuma.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5a/Cortes.jpg

I'm a descendent of soldiers from both sides of the US Civil War.

[Aurora]

I'm related to Earnest Shackleton... somehow.
So am i... oh god we're related. :bored:

Edit:
Tendency: Marxist-Leninists
Tendency: Trotskyist

oh well at least we may get a sitcom out of it :p

[Sentinel]

I'm a second generation communist, but my fathers grandparents were rather well of peasants before they lost all their lands after WWII (when Finland had to cede the province of Karelia to the USSR following the Moscow Armistice (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_Armistice)). During the finnish revolution of 1918 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_civil_war) the area where they lived was temporarily controlled by the Red Guards, so the assholes hid in the woods until the revolution was defeated.

But yeah ones background really isn't everything, just look at how different prominent revolutionaries had their roots in the upper classes and even the nobility.

[Luc]

:blink:Fuck I hardly know my Grandfather let alone my ancestry

[StoneFrog]

I have a heritage that any English Nationalist would be proud of, pity for them im going to bring it down.

[RedAnarchist]

Almost everyone has some royal ancestors, although the number of people able to trace such ancestry is much lower than the number who have the ancestry. In fact most people with any European ancestry descend from Charlemagne, most people with any English ancestry descend from King Edward III and most people with any European ancestry are likely to be descended from most Europeans who lived before the year 1400 (statistically, if they have proven living descendants today, you are a descendant as well). That means that you're not only descended from a few distant inbreds who called themselves King, Queen, Lord, Lady and so on, but you're also the descendant of millions of peasants, who had terrible lives and whom are the reason we are all here today. They may not be remembered by name, but they are remembered by the continuing existence of the human species regardless of the actions of reckless, blood thirsty nobility and monarchy.

I've traced my ancestry back to many royal and "noble" families from across Europe, but it doesn't mean a thing, it's just an accident of birth. For example, I'm related to both Princess Diana and the "royal family", and to the current Prime Minister (as well as his wife and Blair), but I'm not noble or middle-class in any way. I'm related to most of the US Presidents, some Dutch Prime Ministers (Aeneas Mackay, who was a loser, no offence to losers) and many famous actors, actresses, authors and various other famous people (including practically every well known Mormon with any English ancestry, as they picked my home city to be their main base in this country for some reason) but so are millions and millions and millions of others. It's easy to go from prince and princess to pauper within a few generations, and much harder to go the other way.

My favourite (if you can have a favourite famous cousin) famous cousin wasn't born into a rich family, nor has he exploited any workers. He is my second cousin twice removed, Tom Finney, the footballer. The footballing genes obviously didn't come from my side of the family, though.

There's other ancestors I like far more than some distant royal or "noble" (there was nothing noble about most so-called nobility back then, just like there isn't now) ancestor whose genes most likely were filtered out of my family generations ago. They include agricultural labourers (which used to be a very common job, and "ag labs" were multi-talented, hard-working workers), cotton mill workers (even my mother worked in a cotton mill for a while), tailors, greengrocers (my London-born great grandfather used to have a horse and cart for his groceries, and would go through Preston selling his produce), ostlers, basket makers, school teachers, even a landscape artist (noone famous). They came from all over England and Ireland and have been so much more valuable to history than some mollycoddled royal or inbred noble.

[CommieTroll]

I'm supposed to be a far out relation to Che :laugh: But its most likely my dad telling tall tales lol I think its because his grandmother was Lynch from the same part of Ireland, but what the hell, it gives me another reason to advocate idol worship :laugh:

[Le Libérer]

My great grandfather was first cousins with Grover Cleveland, the 22nd and 24th President of the USA. My great grandfather must have had childhood spats with him because he didnt have much to say about him. :)

[ColonelCossack]

I'm related to Pol Pot.

Only kidding.

I have a friend who used to say they were related to hitler AND Stalin... he said they were both his granddads, or something...

Yeah, he spoke a lot of bullshit. He also said he had osteoporosis, so he had to take methane tablets that were gonna blind him in 3 years. I mean... WTF? :confused:

[ColonelCossack]

oh well at least we may get a sitcom out of it :p

We could call it something like, "Me, Myself, and Icepick".

Or not.

[Nox]

I have a friend who used to say they were related to hitler AND Stalin... he said they were both his granddads, or something...

Yeah, he spoke a lot of bullshit. He also said he had osteoporosis, so he had to take methane tablets that were gonna blind him in 3 years. I mean... WTF? :confused:

I have a friend like that too, he bullshits so much it's hilarious, he said most of it when he was younger so we keep reminding him about it :D

In all seriousness to the OP, I am related to Horatio Nelson (awesome dude who beat Napoleon)

[xub3rn00dlex]

Chewbacca was my distant uncle. :cool:

[A Revolutionary Tool]

Almost forgot, I am related(kind of, not really) to some African prince. My foster sister's first cousin is married to a prince from Africa. Can't remember which African country but I know it's in Africa!

[thefinalmarch]

In all seriousness to the OP, I am related to Horatio Nelson (awesome dude who beat Napoleon)
How is he awesome?

[Nox]

How is he awesome?

He crushed one of the most imperialist regimes of all time.

[W1N5T0N]

Why the fuck would you care what your forefathers were?? It doesnt give you some kind of superior powers or better genes or stuff.

[EvilRedGuy]

Who the fuck cares about there ancestors? I'd rather concentrate on myself and my nuclear working class family than having to worry about already dead idiots i haven't had a relationship with.

[thefinalmarch]

He crushed one of the most imperialist regimes of all time.
You're aware Great Britain was (and still is) an imperialist power too, right?

[ColonelCossack]

Why the fuck would you care what your forefathers were?? It doesnt give you some kind of superior powers or better genes or stuff.

I never said that... Infact, in the OP, i said I was embarrased about having bourgeois ancestry!

[Nox]

You're aware Great Britain was (and still is) an imperialist power too, right?

True, but at the time France was conquering Europe, from contemporary perspective it's safe to say that France was the imperialist in that situation.

It's similar to the USSR and USA, they were both (depending on how you look at it) imperialist, but the USSR acted as a counterweight to the USA's imperialism and vice versa.

I'm not exactly proud, I just know that I'm related to him.

[Lenina Rosenweg]

Marx's wife was Jenny Von Westphalen. Her family were supposedly lower level aristos of some sort.Lenin was a "hereditary nobleman" and he had an official ranking in the Russian landed aristocrat system. According to a bio of him I read, he actually used this once to "pull rank" in front of a judge to get out of paying a fine for a bike accident he was involved in in Belgium.

[L.A.P.]

My mom's dad's side of the family practically own a whole village and own a wheat grainery in India, I visisted it recently. They're like the Indian equivalent of a Texas oil family. My grandfather and his children all became psychiatrists, psychologists, neurologists, and physicians; except my mom who became a business person. My dad's dad owned a car dealership and retired at 50, his parents were first cousins.:( At least your bourgeois roots go way back while mine are not only fairly reecent but practically still there (I live in a petty bourgeois household).

[W1N5T0N]

Dont be embarassed for whatever social construct of "class" "race" or whatever religion your elders were...live for the moment!! :thumbup1:

[thefinalmarch]

True, but at the time France was conquering Europe, from contemporary perspective it's safe to say that France was the imperialist in that situation.
Oh. So you haven't heard of a thing called inter-imperialist war?

[Iraultzaile Ezkerreko]

Yo, all you folks pulling this "my great-great-great-great uncle was etc." or "I'm related to blank, they're my fifty-third cousin once removed" shit. Through a line of direct descent from my mothers side, the bureaucracy and state apparatus my family built up and were intricately involved in was overthrown by Castro. I think my bourgeois ancestry wins. Royal Governors, Mayors, Lawyers, Politicians, Land Barons, and Industrialists. Oh, the sweet fucking irony.

[Rusty Shackleford]

Most shockingly my mother's mother's side at the latest most clearly known part for me goes back to the US South around the time of the Civil War. They moved out to Cali before 1900. What's shocking is they are anglo white. there is also some Cherokee ancestry (but, who in the US doesn't after the systematic rape and pillaging of natives) But, there is also some Chippewa in me too. veeerry minor though. My grand father was a member of the Cherokee Nation and my mom is now. But, I dont qualify.

My father's side is supposed to be hella Irish but in looking it up, my last name is more likely to be Ashkenazi or German/Swiss/Austrian in origin.

My great grand mother on my mothers side is predominantly German. Whats kind of fucked up is that my great grand mother moved to japan during the occupation and my Japanese cousin's(by marriage) grandparents were interned during the war :crying:

They all get along though.


I honestly dont know of any 'greats' that existed that i may be somehow related to. and ethnically i dont know shit. when it comes up i say "North Western European and some American Native" but people always say i look Slavic eastern European.


fuck if i know. sometimes i would just like to know though.

[Nox]

Oh. So you haven't heard of a thing called inter-imperialist war?

So, did you support the USA in their war against Nazi Germany?

There really is no point trying to make an argument from this. I'm related to Horatio Nelson, who brought down Napoleon's regime, I'm not proud of it nor am I ashamed of it, I just acknowledge it as a fact. I see the end of Napoleon's regime as a good thing.

[praxis1966]

I think I might be (apart from the Magic Russ) the only person in this thread who isn't (really) related to some form of aristocracy. Supposedly, my paternal grandmother's family emigrated from Scandinavia (most likely Sweden to be specific) into Germany before coming to the US, but I'm not so sure. They were only there for a couple of generations, apparently, but the names they brought with them to the US were decidedly German... Though they didn't include the "Von" that would indicate some sort of aristocratic lineage. Supposedly my paternal grandfather's side was all German as well.

The maternal side of the family is pretty much all Irish, which pretty much rules out most conceivable kinds of aristocracy unless your last name's O'Brian (or some permutation thereof) for obvious reasons. That ain't our last name, btw. I suppose you might be able to count the droplets of Native American I have in me as aristocratic in some way... According to my maternal grandfather, his mother (I think) was the daughter of a Penobscot chieftain. But that would require a rather white ethnocentric view of things; anybody who knows anything about the Northeastern native Americans would hardly describe chieftains and their progeny as living in a situation of hereditary title.


I have a friend who used to say they were related to hitler AND Stalin... he said they were both his granddads, or something...

Yeah, he spoke a lot of bullshit. He also said he had osteoporosis, so he had to take methane tablets that were gonna blind him in 3 years. I mean... WTF? :confused:

I'd say either this guy's clearly delusional or you got IRL trolled. Hitler didn't have any kids unless you count his dog the German shepherd. Of course, I highly doubt your friend's related to the dog either, given that Hitler and Braun tested the cyanide capsules on ol' Blondi before taking them themselves.

[thefinalmarch]

So, did you support the USA in their war against Nazi Germany?

There really is no point trying to make an argument from this. I'm related to Horatio Nelson, who brought down Napoleon's regime, I'm not proud of it nor am I ashamed of it, I just acknowledge it as a fact. I see the end of Napoleon's regime as a good thing.
Whilst it's probably true that you're not proud of it, it certainly didn't seem that way when you considered the bourgie fuck to be awesome.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Knowing your genealogy is generally something only middle-class people have the leisure and time to care about. This is why I know so much more about my paternal genealogy (the slaveowners/industrialists) than my maternal (just some vague thing about "peasants"), since the former side of my family has been far more bourgeois throughout the ages.

That may be true in western culture, but I know in some parts of Asia it's a lot more important (to know about one's ancestors).

[Sinred]

Im sorry for the news ColonelCossak. But there is really nothing you can do about it, you are from here on now a slave under your own class instincts. Forever tainting your otherwise proletarian mind.
You will just have to learn how to tackle your bourgeoisie lusts (http://youtu.be/tp8owxamcRQ)

[Nox]

Whilst it's probably true that you're not proud of it, it certainly didn't seem that way when you considered the bourgie fuck to be awesome.

He was awesome because he brought down Napoleon's regime.

Just like Eisenhower won some great victories on the Western front and contributed to bringing down Hitler's regime.

Just like all the other generals who brought down Hitler's regime.

In the real world, things can't always be perfect. I would much rather that Napoleon's regime got brought down rather than staying up, same with Hitler's regime.

I would much rather an imperialist power destroys an even greater imperialist power than both of them staying.

[Tomhet]

On one side of my family they moved to Canada from England in the 40s, My Dads side moved from Turkey to Canada after the Ottoman empire fell,... One of my great great grandparents was an Ottoman officer in Palestine, that's all I know..