Future of Communism in India

[SidBh]

As some of you know that the Communist Party of India (Marxist) - CPI(M) lost the elections in West Bengal and Kerala and now has power only in Tripura, what are your thoughts on the future of Communism and the CPM party in India?

[Smyg]

Personally, having somewhat limited knowledge on the subject, I'd say the future doesn't seem to bright. At all.

[Rss]

As far as I know, CPI(Marxist) is a puppet party of Indian state to decieve people away from real communists.

[Ballyfornia]

Well you have the Naxalites(maoists) who run "the red corridor" which mainly focuses on the peasantry. There doesn't seem to be much of an urban influence in the Naxalites. They have been retaining the same areas and haven't been making any advancements.
The future of the movement really depends on Urban Proleteriat and if India's economy dips

[Rafiq]

There's like 300 or more communist parties in India.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

Can only hope the Naxalites gain some momentum otherwise things will start to stagnate (though they have been around for a while so presumably they have strategy).

[mosfeld]

Maybe the fact that they're losing these elections has something to do with their collaboration with other fascist parties in massacring tribals and peasants en masse in the so-called "Operation Greenhunt" and because they, like good compradors, collaborate with imperialism and praise its butchers like Obama. They're calling for imperialist companies to invest in Bengal and Kerala and they make statements like "we have no problems with American companies, no hesitation at all." The CPI(Maoist) has thoroughly exposed them and the people are opposed to them. Support the Maoist struggle against revisionism and remember the great uprising in Lalgarh.

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[Red Future]

TBH I dont think there is a great like at all for CPI (Marxist) on this forum, or from any tendency.Its pretty much reformist and social democratic in its actual politics.It could be worse though as it hasn't experienced the hideous mutation that has afflicted parties like KPRF.

[Commissar Rykov]

I would spend less time looking at the CPI (Marxist) and more at the Maoists in the countryside.

[scarletghoul]

As some of you know that the Communist Party of India (Marxist) - CPI(M) lost the elections in West Bengal and Kerala and now has power only in Tripura, what are your thoughts on the future of Communism and the CPM party in India?
As others have said, the CPI (Marxist) is not really communist. In fact they're about as communist as the Communist Party of China, and, as with China, for the future of communism in India we should look first and foremost at the revolutionary masses (led by the cpi(maoist). Maoists control vast areas of india's countryside, have influence in a third of indian territory, have started to make ties with the guerillas of the northeastern states, have built networks in urban areas, and are successfully repelling a huge government offensive ('operation green hunt') with this in mind, i would say the future of communism in india looks very bright.


Well you have the Naxalites(maoists) who run "the red corridor" which mainly focuses on the peasantry. There doesn't seem to be much of an urban influence in the Naxalites. They have been retaining the same areas and haven't been making any advancements.
The future of the movement really depends on Urban Proleteriat and if India's economy dips
the naxals do have urban bases of support and influence, though obviously it is underground and does not get much media coverage compared to the guerilla war in the countryside.


Can only hope the Naxalites gain some momentum otherwise things will start to stagnate (though they have been around for a while so presumably they have strategy).
Militarily the Maoists are currently dealing with a huge government offensive throughout the red corridor (look up operation green hunt), which obviously means they are on the defensive. Nevertheless they are holding onto their territory, it seems, and the government is losing. The maoists will probably emerge from this more powerful than ever.

[Le Socialiste]

As some of you know that the Communist Party of India (Marxist) - CPI(M) lost the elections in West Bengal and Kerala and now has power only in Tripura, what are your thoughts on the future of Communism and the CPM party in India?

I only know a little about the situation in India, but I do know that the major "communist" parties there are little more than puppets used for the benefit of the Indian elite. All they do is suppress workers' struggles in favor of maintaining the current state of exploitation. So if anything their electoral losses reflect more on the people's repudiation of their social, class, and electoral opportunism than it does on the actual repudiation of communism as a vehicle for achieving the goals of the proletariat.

As for the Naxalites, all I know is that they're widely supported by the more rural-based Indian peasantry than their urban counterparts. I know very little about their ideological line (other than the fact they're Maoists).

[mosfeld]

inb4 red dave

[scarletghoul]

The future of communism in india is doomed because the maoists are nothing but state capitalist class collaborators who are only waging a almost-half-century-long guerilla war against the bourgeoisie because they want to become capitalists themselves! the so called revolution in india is nohting but a protracted capitalist coup, as can clearly be seen by the fact that it is NOTHING LIKE russia in 1917. bla bla bla something nepal bla bla .. doooomed i tell you, doooooooooooomed !!!!

RED DAVE

[JoeySteel]

The Maoists do not "run" the "red corridor." The red corridor concept is an exaggeration and partly created and used by the ruling class as a justification for their repression. They are hotbed areas, and there is territory under control or competition to be sure, but the country is not divided between the new state and the old state and it's certainly not true that Maoists control the territory marked "red" on the map. Of course I have nothing but enthusiasm for Naxals and wish them the best.

Edit: and I would also say, in response to the original post, that hitching our communist horses to the success of holding on to bourgeois power in bourgeois elections for as long as possible is very very bad. I don't see how "communists" could be indefinitely elected to a bourgeois state anyway.

[thesadmafioso]

Communism is not going to be made in India through some ill fated band of Maoist guerrillas nor will it be made through reformist collaboration with the capitalist classes through parliamentarism, it will have to emerge from the work of the organs of the class conscious proletarian.

You can't gauge the progress of the socialist struggle in India by looking at the statistics from an election or from counting the number of trains blown up by Maoist peasants, as neither routes will lead to the creation of a proletarian revolution in India.

[tir1944]

Communism is not going to be made in India through some ill fated band of Maoist guerrillas nor will it be made through reformist collaboration with the capitalist classes through parliamentarism, it will have to emerge from the work of the organs of the class conscious proletarian.
And this guerrilla has not sprung out of the millions of oppressed rural peasantry?
It is a genuine people's war.

[thesadmafioso]

And this guerrilla has not sprung out of the millions of oppressed rural peasantry?
It is a genuine people's war.

I'm not doubting the material reality of oppressions existence under the prevalent domain of capital, I am simply saying that it cannot effectively be combated through outright warfare in that regard. Such tactics show an absolute ignorance of the conditions which lead to situations turning revolutionary and through such false thought an ignorance to the materialist course of history itself.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

Communism is not going to be made in India through some ill fated band of Maoist guerrillas nor will it be made through reformist collaboration with the capitalist classes through parliamentarism, it will have to emerge from the work of the organs of the class conscious proletarian.

You can't gauge the progress of the socialist struggle in India by looking at the statistics from an election or from counting the number of trains blown up by Maoist peasants, as neither routes will lead to the creation of a proletarian revolution in India.

I think the revolution will come about through a combination of both tactics (class consciousness and armed struggle); each can serve an important piece within the larger framework.

[tir1944]

I'm not doubting the material reality of oppressions existence under the prevalent domain of capital, I am simply saying that it cannot effectively be combated through outright warfare in that regard.
Why?



Such tactics show an absolute ignorance of the conditions which lead to situations turning revolutionary and through such false thought an ignorance to the materialist course of history itself.
Why and how come? Are you saying that the Naxalites are ignorant of the conditions in their own lands? You should definitely elaborate on that more...

[thesadmafioso]

I think the revolution will come about through a combination of both tactics (class consciousness and armed struggle); each can serve an important piece within the larger framework.

I've nothing against workers making use of their right to arms, but when they are used for the offensive purpose of making a revolution in the context of extended guerrilla warfare you being to run into some very grave tactical faults.

These movements cannot exist separate of one another, and this sort of methodology only encourages the fostering of such a divide. You cannot sustain a situation wherein one section of an exploited population is engaged in outright conflict with the capitalist state and the other in a placated approach to class struggle subdued by faith in the potential of parliamentarism. Such tactics are not tied to nor are they born of a materialist analysis of the situation in India and its revolutionary potential.

[scarletghoul]

I think the revolution will come about through a combination of both tactics (class consciousness and armed struggle); each can serve an important piece within the larger framework.
thats true of any revolution, becuase the two are inseparable.. proletarian consciousness is nourished through struggle, and the struggle relies on consciousness to succeed. unity of theory + practice, you know how it is