Dumbest definition of Socialism

[RedZezz]

As most of us know, the word "socialism" has been dragged through the mud by politicians and media personalities (as well as other institutions) to the point where most reactionary tendencies completley miss the mark.

What is the dumbest definition of socialism you have ever heard?

For me, it was a political conversation I had with some right-winger who asked me what kind of system I thought we are currently living under (in the United States). I said a capitalist system, obviously.

He said we were living in a socialist system since we accept gay people.

That was such an absurd awnser I couldn't even respond.

What is your story?

[Geiseric]

when everybody has the same amount of money and the government controls everything, which is self defeating in itself

[Commissar Rykov]

That the government controls everything and tells you what to do for everything up to and including clothing. Fucking weird shit that people come up with.

[piet11111]

Well this is a hard one to answer because fox keeps spouting out all kinds of bullshit about stuff being socialist.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

It usually has something to do with fascism.

[Rodrigo]

Capitalism:

Rich people
------
Middleclass
----------------
Poor people
--------------------


Socialism:

Government
-----------------
People


By: an old Geography teacher of mine :cursing:

[Judicator]

Public control of means of production.

That was such an absurd idea I couldn't even respond.

[Nox]

Generally, people who know nothing about Socialism usually include these in their definition:

- Nobody has any property
- Everyone is a slave of the Government
- The Government controls everything
- Everyone is poor

But the best one I've heard was from the Nazi type, he said that Socialism is a "Jewish invention designed to enslave Whites and control the world"

[Fopeos]

I had a rightist tell me that socialism is government redistribution of wealth. To which I responded, "Isn't taxation gov't redistribution of wealth?" He says, "Yes, that's my point." So i said, "By your definition, ancient Rome must've been socialist. I'm pretty sure Athens was levying taxes long before them, so they must've been commies as well." At that, his will to debate evaporated.

[Dumb]

Not exactly a definition of socialism, but an otherwise intelligent friend of mine once made the claim that the Nazis were German Marxists. :confused::blink:

[Red Commissar]

Essentially Obama or *insert democrat*, if we are to listen to some of the yelling by some tea baggers.

[Agent Ducky]

The government controls everything and everyone has the exact same amount of money, the same everything, and if one person gets more than another the government kills them or something....

[Dumb]

From Taxi:


Latka: In my country everyone shares everything with everyone.

Alex: Oh, that's nice, Latka.

Latka: Otherwise they shoot you.

[DinodudeEpic]

The dumbest definitions I heard are those.

.Welfare state
.Government control over the means of production
.big government
.everyone sharing
.dictatorship
.Any non-free market economy

It actually pisses me off all the time. "Socialism and Liberalism is big government. You are all slaves to them!" says the Conservative who wants a huge government which invades women's fetuses and the privacy of ethnic minorities, and who slavishly devotes himself to the nation(which is pretty much the state).

[deadsmooth]

In a Socialist country an endeavor like prospecting for minerals might involve the Government sending out 10,000 prospectors @ a cost of $50,000 dollars each ($500,000,000). One of them finds something worth $499,000,000. This is called the failure of Socialism.

In a Capitalist country 10,000 prospectors decide to go prospecting and spend $50,000 each in the process. Note that since they are competing with each other their efforts will not be coordinated, and duplication of effort is likely. Also they will not share results with one another. One of them find something worth $499,000,000. This is called the success of Capitalism.

[Kornilios Sunshine]

One of the conservative parties in Greece,LAOS announced that the country is in such a pathetic economy level because of the socialist-communist that exists.:laugh:

[Property Is Robbery]

Not exactly a definition of socialism, but an otherwise intelligent friend of mine once made the claim that the Nazis were German Marxists. :confused::blink:
Obviously not an intelligent friend because Nazis were explicitly anti-Marxist.

[Dumb]

Obviously not an intelligent friend because Nazis were explicitly anti-Marxist.

Well, by that I mean that he's a terrific writer, very street-smart, and generally pretty strong on American history. That's what's so maddening - these ludicrous right-wing canards can draw in even reasonably intelligent people, not just morons.

[Rafiq]

Public control of means of production.

That was such an absurd idea I couldn't even respond.

Yeah because Bourgeois tyranny over the mode of production has worked so well, especially in the past thirty years :rolleyes:

I'm not Chomsky liberal who will talk about those things (Personally authoritarian 'state' control command economy is something I imagine would be more efficient and necessary than the LeftLibertarian dream world).

The point of us isn't just to put the means of production in public hands. It is to crush the class enemy and take class dictatorship.

[Revolution starts with U]

The views of Rafiq do not necessarily reflect the views of the Revleft board, or the Revleft community. :D

[Le Socialiste]

V4FgeVOabSg

Seriously.

[Susurrus]

The funny thing is that it looks exactly like the intro on the Colbert Report when he reports on "communist" countries.

[thefinalmarch]

Personally authoritarian 'state' control command economy is something I imagine would be more efficient and necessary than the LeftLibertarian dream world.
Communism is not about "efficiency".

[Susurrus]

It really wouldn't be as efficient either, the corruption, power struggles, and bureaucratic nightmares would screw it up.

[AmericanCommie421]

Socialism is any economy where there is some degree of public ownership and a small group of beuracrats control society and everyone else is poor and has no say in society. That and when it is used to mean this or some undefined word used to sound scary for political gain, such as when (insert Democrat's name here) is called a Socialist.

[Yuppie Grinder]

V4FgeVOabSg

Seriously.
well that was just... super duper cute.:D

[Rooster]

This still cracks me up:


Marxach-Léinínach (http://www.revleft.com/vb/member.php?u=30448)

[The USSR] was state capitalist under Lenin and Stalin as well. That was how Lenin defined socialism - state capitalism made to benefit the people to the point that it isn't capitalism anymore. After Stalin the economy was reformed to be based around profit part of which went into the pockets of party bureaucrats who had become a new bourgeoisie basically.http://www.revleft.com/vb/group.php?do=discuss&group=&discussionid=5124

[Diello]

Obama.

[citizen of industry]

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill

Very scientific of you there Churchy. Care to back that up? Sounds a lot like capitalism to me.

Here's another Churchill quote (on gassing Kurds in the 1920's) - "I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes."

(http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/w/winston_churchill.html)

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill

Very scientific of you there Churchy. Care to back that up? Sounds a lot like capitalism to me.

Here's another Churchill quote (on gassing Kurds in the 1920's) - "I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes."

(http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/w/winston_churchill.html)

That first quote is remarkably similar to another imbecilic quote generally attributed to Frank Zappa.

There'a also that other classic about "if you're not socialist at twenty, no heart, not a conservative nutter at forty, no sense,", which is often erroneously attributed to Churchill, although I think it was never really a quote but just something people said and then insisted was a Churchill quote, like somehow something would be more meaningful if it was said by that paranoid old drunk.

[Yugo45]

But the best one I've heard was from the Nazi type, he said that Socialism is a "Jewish invention designed to enslave Whites and control the world"
:laugh: I heard that one too.

[ВАЛТЕР]

Communism/Socialism was invented by the Jews to destroy Christianity and take all of the wealth....:huh:

Of course!...how could I have been so blind?!!:laugh:

[Tim Cornelis]

Any society with a central bank controlling the money supply. (this was of course implicitly directed at those damn socialist fascists of the Federal Reserve).

That was probably the dumbest definition I've ever heard.

[Ballyfornia]

That it was the former Soviet Union

[EvilRedGuy]

I used to think that Denmark was a Socialist country and that it needed to be Communist instead, when i was younger. Now i know its called a welfare state, and that it isn't as great as you think when you know about it... Thank god for getting all the information through the internet, don't know how i would have survived(and learned) so much if it weren't there. Kropotkin bless the internet! :cool:


^Agree with above post aswell^

[Drosophila]

Barack Obama

[Dimmu]

That it was "socialism" that brought the recent crisis to Europe..

[Dumb]

Communism/Socialism was invented by the Jews to destroy Christianity and take all of the wealth....:huh:

Of course!...how could I have been so blind?!!:laugh:

Somebody needs to cut me off a piece of that pie, then. :mad:

[Armand Iskra]

Once I remember a group of right-wingers calling Socialism as Terrorism.

[Revolution starts with U]

I have seen Misesians call statists like Sean Hannity socialists :wub:

[DarkPast]

This: http://www.slayerment.com/blog/communism-vs-socialism-vs-fascism-vs-capitalism


I hope it is beginning to become clear what is going on here. Communism, Socialism and Fascism ARE ALL THE SAME. The subtle differences between them are minor things that make hardly any difference. It's like me asking you whether you would like to die by lethal injection or by having your head cut off. Either way you're dead. Don't let the process towards dictatorial, totalitarian tyranny fool you. In the end it is tyranny.Capitalism is the best form of government we have experienced on earth so far because it is in the closest alignment with the laws of the universe and truth. It mirrors openness and freedom. It advocates responsibility and integrity. We should never forget just how important such virtues are.


I'm just lost for words :glare:

[Yugo45]

Hahahaha that table is fucking hillarious.

Notable architects of communism: Illuminati :laugh::laugh:

Present day capitalist countries: None.

Level of Intelligence required: Communism: None/Low, Socialism: None/Low, Fascism: Low, Capitalism: High.

Level of Moral Required Low Low Low High

Capitalism in other words:
Law built upon universal principles is practiced by decent, well-educated individuals working on the path of growth. Lesser humans are helped, not enslaved.

Communism in other words:
Very similar to socialism but ran more on military/fascist lines. Not as deceptive as socialism as it is the predecessor.

Socialism in other words:
The uneducated and wordly are led with propaganda to fulfill their master's whims while being rewarded with debauchery and vice. Individual growth is stunted and usually reversed.

:laugh::laugh:

[Thirsty Crow]

I'd say that what DarkPast posted beats the out in the open crazy shit like "Jewish conspiracy" or "it brought the global recession!".

The person tries to sound all smart and highly principled and fails miserably. The best part is where capitalism actually comes to stand for a specific mechanism of governance, and not the mode of production, which of course is pretty useful when you have to defend your illusion that Fascism represents something entirely different from "ordinary" capitalism.

Also, capitalism is in the closest align with gravity and the principle of scientific verification thorugh experiments?? And it mirrors, just say that out loud for a second, it mirrors a concept, the social relation by which people are forced to subordinate themselves to "job creators" and the endless grind of exploitation, that shit mirrors the elated concepts of openess and freedom.
That's just great, just add some mysticism ("laws of universe" as a rhetorical device will always get this going and inspire a sense of awe in listeners who do not exactly know what is beinbg discussed) to historical ignorance and there you have it, you're ready to engage on a quest for the title of the king of demagoguery!

And of course, the profit imperative promotes responsibility and integrity. The person should be reminded of a whol array of incidents testifiying to the fact that sufficient power enables large capitalist actors to act against the interests common to humanity as a whole, as in the cases of health deterioration caused by a lack of sufficient control.

All in all, that's some pretty neat bullshit that tries to pass itself for intelligent and principled analysis and political standing. The worst sort.

[freya4]

I think the dumbest definition I've seen has to go be the conservapedia one:

Socialism is a liberal economic system with state ownership or control of the all the major means of production and distribution of goods and services.[4] Socialism is the economic system imposed by Communism, but another one of the most well known political parties of the 20th century which was socialistic was the National Socialist German Workers Party (NAZI) which was headed by the evolutionary racist Adolf Hitler.[5][6][7] Often socialism is a matter of degree and numerous economies in the world are very socialistic such as European countries (many of which are facing financial difficulties).[8]

Even better is their definition of communism :D

Communism is a left-wing materialistic and violently atheistic ideology created to justify the overthrow of Capitalism, replacing free market economics and democracy with a "dictatorship of the proletariat". Under Communism, the political system replaces the private ownership of the means of production with "collective ownership" of the economy, this is to be accomplished through direct "democratic" control by the workers.[1] Twentieth century Communism was based on Karl Marx's manifesto which proposed to establishment of a "classless society." However, all Communist societies have had a class structure, notably the USSR, which was dominated by a self appointed Nomenklatura.

[Misanthrope]

Socialism: Any state intervention in the economy.

DOWN WITH SOCIALIST ROAD WAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DOWN WITH SOCIALIST STOP SIGNS!!!

Fuck you Mises institute :)

[Susurrus]

Socialism: Any state intervention in the economy.

DOWN WITH SOCIALIST ROAD WAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DOWN WITH SOCIALIST STOP SIGNS!!!

Fuck you Mises institute :)

Considering if you buy anything you have to pay a sales tax, I guess Misesites must survive off of ebay, craigslist, and the forests.

[Misanthrope]

Considering if you buy anything you have to pay a sales tax, I guess Misesites must survive off of ebay, craigslist, and the forests.

Meh, as much as I hate their circular thinking and smugness, that's like saying we are all secretly organizing revolutionary armies, which we aren't. or... are we? Maybe I missed a memo or e-mail..

[Mettalian]

I once had a teacher who was teaching us about communism and said that it was "All about control". She said that the core tenet of communism was that if you were in charge you could come in and tell everyone what to do. Not a single mention of property relations or the means of production, or anything of the sort. Just... control.

[DinodudeEpic]

One of my old teachers told me that communism means that people get paid regardless of the amount of the hours that they work.....I then read up salaries and I got really pissed off.

[Susurrus]

i once had a teacher who was teaching us about communism and said that it was "all about control". She said that the core tenet of communism was that if you were in charge you could come in and tell everyone what to do. Not a single mention of property relations or the means of production, or anything of the sort. Just... Control.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSN5TPKMJ24

[Mettalian]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSN5TPKMJ24

She did kind of look like Yoda.

[Binh]

Forcing consumers to buy health care from private insurance companies that are ripping us off and killing us for corporate profit via Obama's government mandate.

Bailing out insolvent capitalist banks with taxpayer money and zero government control, oversight, or control over any aspect of how said banks are run, who their managers are, etc.

[Klaatu]

Capitalism:

Rich people
------
Middleclass
----------------
Poor people
--------------------


Socialism:

Government
-----------------
People


By: an old Geography teacher of mine :cursing:
______________________________________________

Capitalism

Rich people (get their boots licked by government)
------
Middleclass (pays most of the bills)
----------------
Poor people (get trapped by the system)

______________________________________________

Socialism:

Government (plays it's proper role, which is minimal... no capitalist-style boot-licking!)
-----------------
People (are neither rich nor poor, but well-paid for their work day)

_____________

[DarkPast]

I once had a teacher who was teaching us about communism and said that it was "All about control". She said that the core tenet of communism was that if you were in charge you could come in and tell everyone what to do. Not a single mention of property relations or the means of production, or anything of the sort. Just... control.

That sounds a lot like Richard Pipes and his theory that the only thing the Bolsheviks were interested in was power.

[robbo203]

The point of us isn't just to put the means of production in public hands. It is to crush the class enemy and take class dictatorship.


You can only "crush the class enemy" by abolishing classes - by not perpetuating class relations in the form of a so called "class dictatorship"

[OHumanista]

The worst was definitely when I heard some ppl saying that in socialism you will have to divide your house, your clothes and you car with homeless people:laugh:

[Rafiq]

The views of Rafiq do not necessarily reflect the views of the Revleft board, or the Revleft community. :D

That's why there is no revolution

[Revolution starts with U]

That's why there is no revolution

I would fight as hard against your revolution as I would capitalism.

[Rafiq]

Once I remember a group of right-wingers calling Socialism as Terrorism.

What's wrong with Revolutionary terrorism?

[Rafiq]

You can only "crush the class enemy" by abolishing classes - by not perpetuating class relations in the form of a so called "class dictatorship"

How do you plan on abolishing classes, then?

Oh you are naive.

Do you actually expect there to be no bourgeois resistance after the revolution?

[Rafiq]

I would fight as hard against your revolution as I would capitalism.

That's because you're a liberal.

[Revolution starts with U]

That's because you're a liberal.

Thank you for further proving why your revolution should not be supported. You disagree with me, therefore I am a liberal, therefore off to the gulags I go (at best, it's outright murder at worst). Nowhere did I support the capitalist mode, or condem the socialist. I just disagreed with you on tactics.

I take what I said back. I would fight HARDER against your revolution than capitalism.

[Revolutionair]

What's wrong with Revolutionary terrorism?
The terrorism part.

[Revolution starts with U]

What's wrong with revolutionary socialism.

Other than that it is at best inneficient, and at its worst counterproductive, nothing.
As an analogy; you walk up next to a person and he flips a switch dropping a box surrounding both of you (this is analgous to the implicitly coercive nature of the capitalist system) so you beat him to death (analagous to revolutionary terrorism). You're (somewhat) justified in your actions. But you're still stuck in the box, and now you just killed off the only guy who knows where the key is.

[Skooma Addict]

What is the dumbest definition of socialism you have ever heard?

I think it is pretty dumb when socialists say socialism is just "democracy."

[Skooma Addict]

What's wrong with Revolutionary terrorism?

I assume you are into the whole crack cocaine scene?

[Rafiq]

Thank you for further proving why your revolution should not be supported. You disagree with me, therefore I am a liberal, therefore off to the gulags I go (at best, it's outright murder at worst). Nowhere did I support the capitalist mode, or condem the socialist. I just disagreed with you on tactics.

I take what I said back. I would fight HARDER against your revolution than capitalism.

Your tactics are grossly romanticized and Utopian. Revolution is not possible through peaceful means. Every revolution in history had a period of Authoritarianism and violence.

[Rafiq]

The terrorism part.

So you're criticizing it based on Bourgeois-Liberal ethics?

What has happened to Revl- Oh.... I forgot I was in OI.

Phew! For a minute there I thought this whole forum degenerated into Bourgeois Socialism!

[Revolution starts with U]

Your tactics are grossly romanticized and Utopian. Revolution is not possible through peaceful means. Every revolution in history had a period of Authoritarianism and violence.

That's all well and good, but I never argued for a peaceful revolution (desired, but not necessary). But those, such as yourself, who WANT to engage in violence, are the last that should be allowed.

Also, every revolution in history has been merely the substituting of one parasitic ruling class for another so....

[Lanky Wanker]

"Stalin killed people!!!!! Therefore socialism is evil!!!!!!"

Not so much a definition, but you know what they mean. :thumbdown:

[RichardAWilson]

Handouts to the super-rich (Large Banks and Auto Companies) were examples of Socialism. - Repeated on Talk Radio and Fox.

[Kosakk]

"Socialism is government interference in people's private lifes" is what I usually hear. Funny how the same people would agree with the "PATRIOT act" and say it's necessary.......

[ComradeMan]

What's wrong with Revolutionary terrorism?

Rafiq, I am concerned that in your zest for "revolution" you are losing sight of basic humanity. Marxism/Socialism does not support terrorism. Terrorism does nothing but hurt innocent workers, aka people, and provide propaganda gold for the opponents. Killing innocent people is never justified.

http://www.socialistreview.org.uk/article.php?articlenumber=8844
http://www.isj.org.uk/index.php4?id=182&issue=110
http://socialistalternative.org/literature/terrorism/

etc
etc
etc

[Rafiq]

Rafiq, I am concerned that in your zest for "revolution" you are losing sight of basic humanity. Marxism/Socialism does not support terrorism. Terrorism does nothing but hurt innocent workers, aka people, and provide propaganda gold for the opponents. Killing innocent people is never justified.



Reactionary Terrorism involves the killing of innocent people. Revolutionary terrorism is a tactic used to fend off reactionary resistance, including Fascists and the very Islamists who engage in reactionary terrorism.

I don't advocate the killing of innocent people. But revolutionary terror is something that is always necessary.

[ВАЛТЕР]

Rafiq, your first mistake is calling it "terrorism". Anyway, the bourgeoisie media will have a field day showing the leftists as "violent and uncivilized".

Militant actions need to take place but that can only be done AFTER a large amount of the population is on our side, and even then they need to be precision attacks against direct threats to the people. Not always killing somebody but maybe disabling communications, transport of goods, media, etc.

If you just want to carbomb an embassy RAF style then you're looking at this the wrong way.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for militant action if it is a means to an end, rather than a way to just get back at the system.

[Revolution starts with U]

RSWU thanks Bantep (?) post... twice :lol:

[RightWinger]

Capitalism:

Rich people
------
Middleclass
----------------
Poor people
--------------------


Socialism:

Government
-----------------
People


By: an old Geography teacher of mine :cursing:

That sounds accurate :confused:

[Agent Equality]

That sounds accurate :confused:
And you joined this forum why exactly? I suggest you go to the learning section of the forums if you really wish to learn about socialism. If you are just here to troll, then bugger off :rolleyes:

[Rafiq]

That sounds accurate :confused:

No, it's not accurate.

Class is not defined by income. Class is defined by the relations to the mode of production.

[Skooma Addict]

No, it's not accurate.

Class is not defined by income. Class is defined by the relations to the mode of production.

Class is basically a combination of income, education, upbringing and family background, and a few other things. A schoolteacher is usually in a higher "class" than an aviation mechanic even though the latter may make more.

A college professor who does not own any means of production is in a higher class than someone who owns a tattoo shop.

http://www.amazon.com/Class-Through-American-Status-System/dp/0671792253

[Skooma Addict]

double post

[Die Rote Fahne]

No, it's not accurate.

Class is not defined by income. Class is defined by the relations to the mode of production.
Means, not mode.

[Rafiq]

Class is basically a combination of income, education, upbringing and family background, and a few other things. A schoolteacher is usually in a higher "class" than an aviation mechanic even though the latter may make more.

A college professor who does not own any means of production is in a higher class than someone who owns a tattoo shop.

http://www.amazon.com/Class-Through-American-Status-System/dp/0671792253

No, your definition of class is at best unscientific and reactionary.

[Skooma Addict]

No, your definition of class is at best unscientific and reactionary.

It is the standard way to look at class. The Socialists way to look at class doesn't make sense. As I said, the college professor and the owner of a tattoo shop are not in the same class. The college professor is in a much higher social class even though he owns none of the means of production.

[Revolution starts with U]

No, Skooma. The prof. is a class collaborater. You really think HE has any say, rather than providing justification for the capitalist classes say?

[DarkPast]

Indeed. The ruling class can easily cut the professor's funding. He does not own the means of production, so he is dependant on selling his labour to earn a living. Hence he is working class.

[kapitalyst]

These definitions of socialism have come about as a direct result of all attempts to implement socialism turning out that way. Your idealistic definition of public-ownership of the means of production has turned out to be an elusive myth that will never come to fruition. And that's why people have come to recognize socialism by the way it turns out in the real world, rather than Marx's fairytale version. :cool:

[#FF0000]

i am sure that comes from careful research of communist revolutions and what transpired in detail right lol

[StockholmSyndrome]

Last night I was sitting at the bar minding my own business and this guy sitting next to me started talking to me about politics. He started by showing me his "stop socialism" t-shirt that he was wearing. I knew I was in for a long night, as the guy insisted on telling me his entire life philosophy. He asked me what I thought of Ron Paul. I told him I admired his consistency but that his classical individualism completely ignored history and class. He told me that socialism was when the government takes everything and that the progression of history has been nothing but the story of government growth. He told me that our current and future economic woes are because of socialism. I tried explaining to him what class is. He told me "rich people" aren't the enemy and the government is the enemy, they just want to take and own everything. I said, "yeah but in the service of what class? don't you think rich people influence the government?" He told me I hate individuals and that we should just shrink government and let everyone do what they want. I tried telling him he was missing the point because he completely ignored the historical nature of society and CLASS. He told me Bill Clinton was a communist. I told him to fuck off.

[Le Rouge]

Last night I was sitting at the bar minding my own business and this guy sitting next to me started talking to me about politics. He started by showing me his "stop socialism" t-shirt that he was wearing. I knew I was in for a long night, as the guy insisted on telling me his entire life philosophy. He asked me what I thought of Ron Paul. I told him I admired his consistency but that his classical individualism completely ignored history and class. He told me that socialism was when the government takes everything and that the progression of history has been nothing but the story of government growth. He told me that our current and future economic woes are because of socialism. I tried explaining to him what class is. He told me "rich people" aren't the enemy and the government is the enemy, they just want to take and own everything. I said, "yeah but in the service of what class? don't you think rich people influence the government?" He told me I hate individuals and that we should just shrink government and let everyone do what they want. I tried telling him he was missing the point because he completely ignored the historical nature of society and CLASS. He told me Bill Clinton was a communist. I told him to fuck off.

Don't argue with drunk libertard

[kapitalyst]

Oh... So we're the ones ignoring history? Too bad for us... You guys will all live in paradise when you defect to the USSR, and we're stuck here in the terrible, wealthy, capitalist west... :blushing:

[#FF0000]

Oh... So we're the ones ignoring history? Too bad for us... You guys will all live in paradise when you defect to the USSR, and we're stuck here in the terrible, wealthy, capitalist west... :blushing:

nah i'm not saying you're ignoring history. i'm saying you're completely ignorant of it.

[Zealot]

"Socialism is when everyone wears the same sized shirts and so you if you could imagine a midget wearing an average size t-shirt you'll realize what Socialism really is." -Some idiot from Youtube.

[Skooma Addict]

No, Skooma. The prof. is a class collaborater. You really think HE has any say, rather than providing justification for the capitalist classes say?

Well I don't think a physics professor provides justification for the capitalist class. The only professors where I could maybe see that are law (parasites) and marketing professors. Anyways, I don't know what you mean by "have a say." They are certainly more respected and have historically been much more influential towards the policies of the country than the dude that owns a tattoo shop.

The owner of a tattoo shop may very well make more money that many middle class people, but I doubt he could ever become a member of the middle class. They would not accept him. He would remain a high prole unless he became extremely wealthy.

[Revolution starts with U]

Well I don't think a physics professor provides justification for the capitalist class. The only professors where I could maybe see that are law (parasites) and marketing professors. Anyways, I don't know what you mean by "have a say." They are certainly more respected and have historically been much more influential towards the policies of the country than the dude that owns a tattoo shop.

The physics professor presents himself as the paragon of physical thought in society, he shows the capitalist systems (or w/e system) "superiority" in science. And you're not seeing many physics profs writing policy. He is not an active collaborater like a law prof, but he still walks a thin line between tenure and not.



The owner of a tattoo shop may very well make more money that many middle class people, but I doubt he could ever become a member of the middle class. They would not accept him. He would remain a high prole unless he became extremely wealthy.

The middle class are, for the most part, proles. When we say working class we don't just mean the working poor in the inner city. We mean all people who work with no say in the direction of their productive livs.

[LOLseph Stalin]

I'm no socialist, but I certainly call out bullshit when I see it and when people say Canada is socialist because of our healthcare I just laugh in their face.

[Tim Cornelis]

Don't argue with drunk libertard

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I love how at 1:30 he 'explains' the non-aggression principle.

[Revolution starts with U]

"The consitution.. ya.. read it and... read it and... live by it. Ron Paul 2012! ROOOONNNN PAAAAULLL!"

f'in hilarious :laugh:

[RGacky3]

These definitions of socialism have come about as a direct result of all attempts to implement socialism turning out that way. Your idealistic definition of public-ownership of the means of production has turned out to be an elusive myth that will never come to fruition. And that's why people have come to recognize socialism by the way it turns out in the real world, rather than Marx's fairytale version. http://www.revleft.com/vb/dumbest-definition-socialism-t161345/revleft/smilies/001_cool.gif


All the ones your talking about are juts ONE model thats been copied, the Leninist model.

You want to see socialism in the real world there are plenty of examples, but the sickle and hammer states simply were not it.

[Rafiq]

These definitions of socialism have come about as a direct result of all attempts to implement socialism turning out that way. Your idealistic definition of public-ownership of the means of production has turned out to be an elusive myth that will never come to fruition. And that's why people have come to recognize socialism by the way it turns out in the real world, rather than Marx's fairytale version. :cool:

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/6898745/images/1259379231618.jpg

I'm raging right now, you fool, you troll, you fucking idiot. It pisses me off so much at the same time knowing that Marx hated Utopian Socialists more than he hated Mainstream Bourgeois Economists and that Marx never made blueprints for socialism.


Read a fucking book you colossal moron. You piss me off so much I am about to die. Laugh all you want people, this is the first time I actually got pissed off on this forum. Enjoy it.

[Revolution starts with U]

You copied a few of those... :lol:

[ShortSleevedMagician]

I tell my otherwise smart friend who I debate about economics with that capitalism naturally leads to oligopolies/monopolies. His response is that that if that happens then it is no longer capitalism because there isn't competition. It's socialism.

So, in other words, when capitalism fails, it suddenly becomes socialism... Hm, funny how that "logic" suddenly doesn't apply the other way when it comes to the deformed workers' states of the Soviet Bloc. Wouldn't they be capitalist? I really don't even know how to respond to this.

[Rafiq]

Tell your friend that capitalism can only avoid monopolies if government regulation exists. Explain that Free Markets aren't free, they need authority (Governments) to regulate the play ground, that's the only reason they could exist.

Then explain to him that even if there is no competition, the capitalist mode of production is retained.

[JFB.anon]

If you disagree with a conservative, you're a socialist.

[Revolution starts with U]

Technically, even tho my views are (almost) exactly the same as they were a few a years ago, that is why I started calling myself a socialist. Conservatives were calling everything socialists, and I could clearly see people like Obama and Kerry were not. So I just said "fuck it, i'll play the boogeyman. boo!" :laugh:

[DarkPast]

If you disagree with a conservative, you're a socialist.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_BX2aSG8RqEU/Sq72eQA9YSI/AAAAAAAACro/xCcfn8u3vUE/s400/National+Socialism,+Democratic+Socialism,+Marxist+ Socialism.jpg