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Marxach-Léinínach
17th September 2011, 11:44
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By Reason Wafawarova


When France launched Operation Odyssey Dawn five months ago, which was immediately to be joined by Britain and the United States, the zeal to implement an ill-secured UN Resolution 1973 was seen by many peace-loving people as brazen aggression targeted at Libya's Muammar Gaddafi, regardless of the mixed feelings about the man.


Resolution 1973 was supposedly about protecting Libyan civilians from what the West said was a "pending genocide," undoubtedly pending in the minds of Sarkozy, Cameron and Obama, but never as apparent in Libya itself.


Surprisingly, the propaganda line that Gaddafi was about to carry out a gruesome genocide in Benghazi was bought by the likes of Noam Chomsky even, a veteran who should know better about what comes from the lips of US presidents, especially when they are pronouncing a war. Before long, Operation Odyssey Dawn was unsurprisingly taken over by NATO, and what many regarded as crude aggression by two rogue states was elevated to an outright terror campaign.


With the help of NATO aerial firepower, the small group of Benghazi rebels began to gather courage and began capturing Libyan cities, coercing many civilians to join their cause or be shot dead; in fact killing as many as 50 000 they accused of either supporting Muammar Gaddafi or being his spies or mercenaries, especially the dark skinned citizens of Libya. The statistics are estimates from various independent sources.


the rebels entered and rampaged Tripoli, of course following in the footsteps of a devastating NATO team of murderous warplanes, the massive crowds that had earlier been seen turning out in their hundreds of thousands in support of Gaddafi, defiantly waving Libya's green flag; were all but intimidated into silence by NATO's indiscriminate terror bombings, strategically followed by a newly-assembled group of heavily armed rebels brandishing brand new high-tech military hardware fresh from American military warehouses. The rag tag rebels even masqueraded as trained soldiers in their brand new military fatigues.


Talk of rebels who know no war. It no longer mattered that the majority of the rebels were untrained activists who hardly knew how to handle a gun. The fact that these untrained and over-excited goons were coming under the cover of marauding NATO warplanes was good enough a threat to make the Gaddafi forces and their legion of supporters flee Tripoli's defence posts. Even Gaddafi's residence was left unguarded; and NATO grazed the compound to smithereens ahead of the rebels. It would have been foolhardy to stand against the high-tech bombs.


The rebels have had the temerity to brazenly demand the loyalty of people who clearly do not support their cause in Sirte, and we have Africans cheering as these innocent civilians are told to comply with NATO demands or be bombed to ashes. Other cities threatened with terror attacks include Zawiya and Bani Walid. This is so much for respecting the will of the Libyan people, as the rhetoric has been sounding from the cave mouth of Sarkozy.


From the start of this Western coordinated armed insurgence the rebels have been intimidating Libyans into supporting their cause, forcing people to surrender to their will, all the way until they managed to intimidate the people of Tripoli into submission, proceeding to do the same in all other cities where civilians had publicly vowed to fight the Western backed aggression.


Now NATO and the rebels are at the doorstep of Sirte, ready to commit a genocide bigger than what they said Gaddafi was about to carry out on Benghazi, the very pretext that allowed Western elite murderers to invite themselves into Libya. If it was Gaddafi at the doorstep of Benghazi, telling the people in the city to allow him to come in and arrest the leaders of the insurgence, there is no doubt the US, France and the UK would be bluntly opposed to such an eventuality arguing that "the will of the people of Libya must be respected."


Of course the will of the people of Sirte deserves no respect for its foolishness of opposing the Western position. But why is it that the will of the people of Sirte is not important to the murderous Westerners? Why is it that the people of Bani Walid and other cities to the South of Libya have no right to have their will respected? NATO bombs Tripolians to impose the will of Benghazi rebels and we are told that is victory for democracy. And the African Union watches like a kid robbed of his favorite toy by a tormenting bully.


NATO is ready to continue with its war crimes and terror attacks on the people of Libya and our eyes are supposed to be glued to the fiction of a monstrous Gaddafi whose grip on Libyans we are told had become so much of an unbearable hell, a hell that provided free health care, free education, free housing and interest free loans for the Libyan folk.


We hear the people of Libya want a new dispensation without Gaddafi and one would hope that the rebels would meet celebrating masses at the gates of Sirte, Tripoli and the other cities to the West and South of Libya. What we saw were marauding gun trotting goons and an entirely intimidated population. All we have seen are brutalizing NATO terror planes and a legion of Western armed thugs waiting to destroy the civilians of the cities of the so-called "Gaddafi loyalists," should they fail to denounce Gaddafi and support the Benghazi cause.


On the sidelines of the terror attacks on Libya we saw France holding a summit it dubbed the "Friends of Libya" conference. The sole purpose of this summit was to legitimize the so-called National Transitional Council and to give the false impression that the war in Libya is over and done with, that the rebels are the new authority in that country.


The hopelessly useless African Union temporarily woke up from its slumber and refused to be party to this sham conference, complaining that fighting had not ended, and that UN Resolution 1973 was about protecting civilians and not attacking them, as the case is with the situation in Sirte and other cities still controlled by supporters of Muammar Gaddafi. The AU argues that there should be a ceasefire to allow negotiations for a peaceful resolution of the crisis.


Jacob Zuma, Goodluck Jonathan and Gabon's Ali Bongo Ondimba are the triumvirate gang of traitors that first betrayed the African cause by rashly voting for Resolution 1973 without due consideration for possible ramifications, even ignoring the agreed position of the African Union.
Zuma tells us that he and his sleepy colleagues thought Resolution 1973 was about protecting Libyan civilians from pending Gaddafi attacks, not about NATO or Western powers joining one side of the conflict while disarming the other. Well, foolishness is no defense, much as it is clearly Zuma's trade mark.


South Africans are demanding an explanation and many Nigerians are not happy with Jonathan's choice of voting for war against Libya in their name. Bongo knows well how to silence dissent. He takes after his dad. We must however understand the doctrinal framework of Western elites tyrannizing Libyans today. To do so it is important that we attend to the thinking that lie behind the policy choices of the Western Coalition.


We may want to start by understanding Kennedy's Indochina war and its aftermath. Kennedy adopted doctrines already established; the very way Obama is adopting the same well established doctrines in the US tradition. One important aspect of these doctrines is the unacceptability of too much independence, often described as "radical nationalism" - something Gaddafi was seen as an addict to.


Gaddafi was seen as a buffer standing in the way of Western interests as targeted at the greater picture of Africa. His dramas at the EU-Africa summits held in recent years did not help matters.



He was always outstanding, whether it was in calling for the United States of Africa, calling for the unifying of the African currency, calling for the establishment of an independent African Bank, campaigning for the abandoning of the US dollar in oil trade, or stating that African leaders would always attend these EU Summits with the Western-hated Robert Mugabe, or else they would not attend altogether, a threat he promised Africa would carry out just before the 2007 Lisbon EU-Africa Summit.


Gaddafi became the proverbial "rotten apple" who enhanced the need to eliminate the "infection" before it spread. Just like Ho Chi Minh of Vietnam was eager to co-operate with the US and the West so was Muammar Gaddafi in the last decade of his reign; supposing the NATO terror attacks have successfully ousted the Libyan leader. Just like Ho, Gaddafi's cooperation did not meet the required terms of subordination. It is no easy walk playing puppet politics to the West. Agreeing to torture alleged terror suspects from Britain and the United States was not good enough in terms of pleasing Gaddafi's newly found friends from the West. Even granting generous oil contracts to the West was not good enough.


Top policy makers in the West still feared Libyan independence might fan anti-West Pan-Africanistic tendencies; undermining the close association between Sub-Saharan African countries and the "powers which have been long responsible for their welfare," to quote a Kennedy era US official in reference to the Indochina peoples.


In Indochina the responsible authority was France, whose tender loving care left the countries devastated and starving. Ironically it is again France's tender loving care for Libyan civilians that has today left the people of Libya devastated, intimidated, raped, and starved as supply lines are cut off to elicit compliance with the rebels and their Western masters - the brutal tactic being used on Sirte right now, as the leadership vow not to recognise the NTC.


The West's right to restore "a peaceful transition to democracy" in Libya is axiomatic. It follows that any problems and challenges that may arise can be attributed to the need to eliminate the alleged tyranny of Gaddafi. So the people of Sirte, Bani Walid or Tripoli can be bombed into submission in the name of eliminating Gaddafi's "tyrannical rule."


According to Western thinking, it is independent nationalism that causes friction, not imperial concerns. The traditional "strategic economic interests" of the industrialised countries must always prevail when independent nationalism interferes with the West's global plans. So it is the ambitious projects of Gaddafi that cause friction, not the West's greed for the resources of other nations, those of Libya included.


The African Union has unsuccessfully called for a negotiated diplomatic solution to the conflict in Libya, something the US, France and Britain have vehemently opposed. The only reason they are opposed to this proposal is they want to ensure that the outcome of this conflict produces a government that is pliant to Western powers.


It is exactly the same logic that makes Western leaders vow never to recognize any winner of Zimbabwean elections who is not Morgan Tsvangirai and his MDC-T party - regardless of the fairness and freeness of the election. Libya has shown us who the actual terrorists in international affairs are. NATO is the biggest terrorist organization on earth today, with its partnering Al-Qaeda standing as a pea next to a mountain.


It is just as good that NATO and Al-Qaeda are operating side by side in Libya, like the Mafia Don and his runner. Africa we are one and together we shall overcome. It is homeland or death!!

Marxach-Léinínach
17th September 2011, 11:48
Here's what your "liberation" actually looked like

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjJ3cw_-66k&feature=player_embedded#!

Marxach-Léinínach
17th September 2011, 11:49
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Marxach-Léinínach
17th September 2011, 11:51
Here's how your noble boys liberate black people

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IA-YYjDfElk

Marxach-Léinínach
17th September 2011, 11:53
Until last month, the town of Tawarga was home to 10,000 civilians.

But as dusk fell over it last week, the apartment blocks stretched, black and dead, into the distance, and the only things moving were sheep.

This pro-Gaddafi settlement has been emptied of its people, vandalised and partly burned by rebel forces. The Sunday Telegraph was the first to visit the scene of what appears to be the first major reprisal against supporters of the former regime.

"We gave them thirty days to leave," said Abdul el-Mutalib Fatateth, the officer in charge of the rebel garrison in Tawarga, as his soldiers played table-football outside one of the empty apartment blocks. "We said if they didn't go, they would be conquered and imprisoned. Every single one of them has left, and we will never allow them to come back."

The people of Tawarga and their neighbours in Misurata, 20 miles down the road, were on opposite sides in Libya's revolution. As the besieged Misuratans bravely fought to save their town from the Gaddafi forces encircling it, some of the artillery fire raining down on them came from Tawarga.

Full article:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...s-retreat.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8754375/Gaddafis-ghost-town-after-the-loyalists-retreat.html)

Marxach-Léinínach
17th September 2011, 11:53
Summing up the position, one racist rebel commented:

Ibrahim al-Halbous, another local rebel commander, put it even more simply.

"Tawarga no longer exists," he said.


Was ever a clearer genocidal intent ever demonstrated?

Oh yeah, anybody wanna guess what colour of skin most people in Tawarga were?

Marxach-Léinínach
17th September 2011, 11:54
I'm sure you fucks will still find some way of rationalising all this though :rolleyes:

Per Levy
17th September 2011, 12:14
didnt you wanted to leave? and you're still here doing you're thing even though you said you go away from this site?

Per Levy
17th September 2011, 12:19
besides, most members on here didnt even support the rebels, also they didnt supported your "great socialist leader" gaddafi. point is the rebels(and espicially their leadership) is shit then again so was the gaddafi regime.

and now how long will it take before you say that you'll leave this site because all the evil "liberals" on here wont support you "socialist leader", and then come back again to post some more insults?

Sasha
17th September 2011, 15:39
I'm sure you fucks will still find some way of rationalising all this though :rolleyes:

Welcome back, have an infraction for flaming...

EvilRedGuy
17th September 2011, 15:54
They are equally bad. Both needs to fuck off and shoot themself instead of innocent.

Gaddafi warlord versus Imperialist warlords, result = dead and terrorized workers. lol, still supporting?


PS- Just want to make sure i say THAT I DON'T SUPPORT Gaddafi, however i don't support the rebels either and don't ignore their crimes(thats why i thanked the OP post), unless if they atleast drop the Islam fundamentalism and give better rights to workers of all kinds, blacks, homosexuals, women, etc.

JoeySteel
17th September 2011, 16:07
Ah yes, the glorious Libyan Klu Klux Klan, hooray for freedom.

Amazingly, the SWP and others have said that the Benghazi KKK genocide against blacks is the fault of Gaddafi, because he "drew from" black people, a weird way of saying that many black people supported him. It's funny that so many communists get accused by people here of supporting "anyone who waves a red flag" when they are so quick to support the Libyan KKK Grand Wizards and defecting rat bureacrats because they adopt bourgeois human rights language. The confederates wanted "freedom" too guys.

Sinister Cultural Marxist
17th September 2011, 17:11
(1) Its nice to have links/sources to stories, not just C+P shit. No links or anything. How can we take it seriously? Someone can find articles on the internet that say just about anything so it would be nice to at least know their credibility.

(2) What some rebels were doing to African migrants was reprehensible everyone agrees with that, but you don't particularly seem to care that this same government was rounding up women and raping them, repressing Berbers or arresting people for being gay.

(3) Yeah what the rebels did to that town near Misratah is horrible but is it any worse, practically speaking, than what Gaddafi did, IE use that town has a base to fire his heavy artillery into populated areas? Yeah it sucks to be kicked out of your home by angry people but it's pretty bad too to die in your home because a narcissistic tyrant thinks Grad rockets are a proportionate response to protest.

(4) Your original article is shit because it ignores Gaddafi's role in all this, IE not allowing people to protest to begin with. Had he let people protest and not accused any opposition to his government of being "rats" and started massive armed assaults there would never have been the later NATO intervention. Gaddafi's response to the protests made Kent State look like a fucking welcoming committee, for any "Leftwing" person to pretend that the Libyan response to the protests was OK while complaining about all the horrible state repression everywhere else is not just hypocritical it is disingenuous.

(4b) Your article also totally contradicts itself ... it says that the rebels on one hand are totally incompetent and dependent on NATO air power, and yet it talks about how they repressed Gaddafi's "popular" resistance in Tripoli in a matter of days ... which would be the first time in history that a poorly organized mob won an offensive urban battle against a professional army in a nation's capital city in such a short period of time thanks to intervention by air power. It took the US weeks to take Fallujah, a tiny city compared to Tripoli, with the application of plenty of airpower and the most powerful army in the world. Unless the rebels had significant support within Tripoli they would have never taken the city as quickly as they did, especially considering now how difficult it is for Rebels to take the remaining Gaddafi-held towns (which really DO have a tight cadre of hardcore supporters), despite the fact that they still have NATO air support.

(5) It is clear that many rebels are racists but is there any serious evidence that these kinds of activities are representative of most rebels and their supporters?

People who criticize the rebels for actual human rights abuses are in the right, and there are more than a handfull which need to (and may well never be) brought to justice but anyone who then tries to argue that Gaddafi was somehow popular or progressive is a fool. The fucking article you post even supports Mugabe, the same guy who thinks homosexuality is a secret British plot against Africans and sends gay people to prison. You should find better sources.

Joeysteel-It's not "bourgeois liberalism" to think Gaddafi's government was a violent, repressive totalitarian mess. This is the government after all that CIA and MI6 sent terrorists to for the torture that even they weren't allowed to use in the black sites. Their government sent homosexuals to prison. It sent anyone who disagreed with the government or who said the Green book was an incomprehensible sexist piece of nonsense to jail or sometimes worse. The rebels might not be nice people but if they aren't, then they are an accurate reflection of the government which has been in power in their country for 40 years. In fact you calling the change of that kind of thing "bourgeois liberalism" is all mixed up considering how many Communists have demanded rights like those to express their critical views.

People should not forget the impacts of Libyan imperialism, which has been well documented. His support for murderous bourgeois warlords from Liberia to Sierra Leone to Sudan, his support for Idi Amin's expansioninst war in Tanzania, his government's support for dictators in the Central African Republic, and his government's ownership of a sovereign wealth fund tens of billions of dollars in size and numerous investments across Africa show that his government merely wanted to replicate France and England. If you've ever seen photos from the parties which the Gaddafis had with foreign investors or the amount of money they doled out to get pop stars to play you would see that this was a government which was bourgeois through and through.

http://updatednews.ca/2011/08/30/abandoned-gaddafi-homes-reveal-champagne-lifestyle/
(for a look into how this family lived off of Libyan oil money)

JoeySteel
17th September 2011, 17:45
Joeysteel-It's not "bourgeois liberalism" to think Gaddafi's government was a violent, repressive totalitarian mess. This is the government after all that CIA and MI6 sent terrorists to for the torture that even they weren't allowed to use in the black sites. Their government sent homosexuals to prison. It sent anyone who disagreed with the government or who said the Green book was an incomprehensible sexist piece of nonsense to jail or sometimes worse. The rebels might not be nice people but if they aren't, then they are an accurate reflection of the government which has been in power in their country for 40 years. In fact you calling the change of that kind of thing "bourgeois liberalism" is all mixed up considering how many Communists have demanded rights like those to express their critical views.

People should not forget the impacts of Libyan imperialism, which has been well documented. His support for murderous bourgeois warlords from Liberia to Sierra Leone to Sudan, his support for Idi Amin's expansioninst war in Tanzania, his government's support for dictators in the Central African Republic, and his government's ownership of a sovereign wealth fund tens of billions of dollars in size and numerous investments across Africa show that his government merely wanted to replicate France and England. If you've ever seen photos from the parties which the Gaddafis had with foreign investors or the amount of money they doled out to get pop stars to play you would see that this was a government which was bourgeois through and through.


I didn't say anything about bourgeois liberalism, I said that the NATO rebels' opportunistic use of bourgeois human rights language seems to gain them instant support from a lot of the left, on this website as well. Plainly, the "human rights" language - as in almost all cases - is nothing but hypocrisy, considering they don't believe in "human rights" for black people or people who don't support NATO. A minority insurgent movement funded by the imperialists, who provide technical expertise and the world's largest air force, the most essential factor in their victory, can't claim to be any more "democratic" than Jamahiriya.

The idea that Libya was aping the colonizers in their conduct in Africa is just bizarre. I shouldn't need to characterize the one-sided way in which imperialism, particularly European imperialism, has "developed" its colonies. This is a world away from the kind of African development promoted by Libyan money. Access to clean water in Mali, Africa's first satellite, etc. Plainly, African-funded and African-centric developmental spending is something different than European dominance and dependence. And better.

Examples of wealth and luxury of the Gaddafi family is obviously sickening, especially to us communists. That doesn't have any impact on whether we need to support the resistance against the NATO crusaders. To use it as an excuse to support the Libyan KKK and the North Atlantic Terror Organization is also unconscionable. We must not lose sight of the fact that the Gaddafis taking a slice of Libyan oil money to live more luxuriously than other Libyans is nothing compared to the depravity and opulence of the heads of monopolies and the ruling class of the imperialist countries, who own unimaginable things and are glorified while homeless litter the streets, families are evicted, people struggle to afford education, and die without a chance at dignity.

It's a bit like the people who would point out the "inequality" in East Germany because the leadership got a bigger quota of bananas. The case of the Gaddafi wealth is obviously more severe, and I would characterize those countries differently, but it all amounts to a failure to properly centre our own ruling class, the real degenerates, the biggest thieves and murderers on the planet, as our enemy, and lose the forest for the trees.

Sinister Cultural Marxist
17th September 2011, 18:31
I didn't say anything about bourgeois liberalism, I said that the NATO rebels' opportunistic use of bourgeois human rights language seems to gain them instant support from a lot of the left, on this website as well. Plainly, the "human rights" language - as in almost all cases - is nothing but hypocrisy, considering they don't believe in "human rights" for black people or people who don't support NATO. A minority insurgent movement funded by the imperialists, who provide technical expertise and the world's largest air force, the most essential factor in their victory, can't claim to be any more "democratic" than Jamahiriya.


No they can't claim to be more democratic but the very nature of Gaddafi's government means that authentically democratic or socialist opposition never was able to develop. The Rebels may have relied on NATO's help to win but it is not objectively any better than Gaddafi relying on tanks and heavy artillery to put down any and all opposition to his rule. French Maquis relied on British and French Imperialists to drive out the Nazis but it would be silly to blame them for that fact, as if they were responsible for Hitler having a large army. Lenin relied on German Imperialists, and the Irish rebels against the British too used German Imperialist support. Plenty of forces have relied on outsiders, even Imperialists, to gain power or remove dictators

You are wrong to make generalizations about the rebels or assume that they didn't have, if not popular support, then support from a plurality. Yes there are some who are murderers and racist and they deserve to be held responsible for their war crimes but this does not mean that all Libyan anti-Gaddafi forces are participating in this kind of thing or that the movement in general doesn't have significant backing.



The idea that Libya was aping the colonizers in their conduct in Africa is just bizarre. I shouldn't need to characterize the one-sided way in which imperialism, particularly European imperialism, has "developed" its colonies. This is a world away from the kind of African development promoted by Libyan money. Access to clean water in Mali, Africa's first satellite, etc. Plainly, African-funded and African-centric developmental spending is something different than European dominance and dependence. And better.
The USA, Britain and France have done plenty of "Development projects". These always have high rhetoric and are probably even managed by well meaning bureaucrats who think they are doing a good job but are always cover for reprehensible acts of Imperialism. The same is the case for Gaddafi.

So what does support for Charles Taylor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Taylor_%28Liberia%29) of Liberia, one of the most violent warlords have to do with development? Or the RUF in Sierra Leone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foday_Sankoh)? Gaddafi-backed thugs were famous for trading in blood diamonds. The leader of the Central African Republic offered Libya a 99-year deal on resource extraction when Gaddafi promised to support the unpopular government.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muammar_Gaddafi#Focus_on_activities_in_Africa




Examples of wealth and luxury of the Gaddafi family is obviously sickening, especially to us communists. That doesn't have any impact on whether we need to support the resistance against the NATO crusaders. To use it as an excuse to support the Libyan KKK and the North Atlantic Terror Organization is also unconscionable. We must not lose sight of the fact that the Gaddafis taking a slice of Libyan oil money to live more luxuriously than other Libyans is nothing compared to the depravity and opulence of the heads of monopolies and the ruling class of the imperialist countries, who own unimaginable things and are glorified while homeless litter the streets, families are evicted, people struggle to afford education, and die without a chance at dignity.
Its not "nothing" compared to it, it's the same thing. Libya had a very high unemployment rate, over 20% according to some estimates, and the social services were very poor for a country with so many oil resources. 400 children contracted HIV in a Benghazi hospital (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV_trial_in_Libya)because of bad sanitary conditions during the 90s (and to think that some people like Mr Leninach have the nerve to question why people in Benghazi loathed their dictator). When it came out the Libyan government tried to punish the nurses, the working class people who were responsible only for acting out policies, not the bourgeois bureaucrats! Then consider the fact that there were so many migrant workers in the country getting exploited, being hired obviously because they would work for lower wages than the local Libyans.

Gaddafi did some good things like major public works projects etc with the oil money but hey so do bourgeois Western governments. Gaddafi also sometimes gave limited welfare or housing for some people, but again so do bourgeois governments, even repressive states like Saudi Arabia (and this welfare or housing is often of questionable quality). So one should not confuse the presence of a few limited social or public works projects with a lack of exploitation, suffering and misery.



It's a bit like the people who would point out the "inequality" in East Germany because the leadership got a bigger quota of bananas. The case of the Gaddafi wealth is obviously more severe, and I would characterize those countries differently, but it all amounts to a failure to properly centre our own ruling class, the real degenerates, the biggest thieves and murderers on the planet, as our enemy, and lose the forest for the trees.All ruling classes are the enemy and all of them are degenerate, merely ones in Europe and America have been at it for longer and run larger countries. The only difference between Gaddafi and someone like Mussolini is that Mussolini had a bigger kingdom.

The differences between E Germany and Libya are substantial enough to make the example not applicable. Gaddafi has much more in common with a bourgeois fascist than the E German leaders.

Threetune
18th September 2011, 22:41
Welcome back, have an infraction for flaming...

Psycho mate, have another drink or pull, or whatever it is you do, you sad authoritarian you. That simple “I'm sure you fucks will still find some way of rationalising all this though” by Marxach-Léinínachdid, did not need an ‘infraction’. However his sentence might be read in communist debate, it does not warrant any kind of “infraction”. Stop being so silly and sectarian, please.

Threetune
18th September 2011, 23:10
They are equally bad. Both needs to fuck off and shoot themself instead of innocent.

Gaddafi warlord versus Imperialist warlords, result = dead and terrorized workers. lol, still supporting?


PS- Just want to make sure i say THAT I DON'T SUPPORT Gaddafi, however i don't support the rebels either and don't ignore their crimes(thats why i thanked the OP post), unless if they atleast drop the Islam fundamentalism and give better rights to workers of all kinds, blacks, homosexuals, women, etc.

Dream on mate. Hope, pray and wish for your Impossible ‘ideal’ if you want, and live your life in permanent disappointment, or opportunist bullshit.

Red Future
18th September 2011, 23:10
The article did have some interesting points though about NATO backing .I have noticed that in recent media about the Libyan rebels they are now wearing US style fatigues and I remember one fighter who looked like he was armed with an MP5SD?? Not the kind of thing that the old Lybian national army used with its reliance on old Soviet armament.

NATO has been "equipping" up these rebels for sometime on the ground.

EvilRedGuy
19th September 2011, 11:33
Dream on mate. Hope, pray and wish for your Impossible ‘ideal’ if you want, and live your life in permanent disappointment, or opportunist bullshit.



Nice to see you supporting a fascist err....Gaddafi's regime :)

Yeah... Lets just forget the blacks, women, and homosexuals of Libya... let them all die, just for you're dearest savior. :lol:


You are all fucking hopeless...

PS- Seriously can we restrict all these authoritarian-sectarian child spankers/abusers? They do nothing but harass the members of this forum!!!