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Zanthorus
16th September 2011, 11:58
This isn't exactly the 'best' thing that could have been written about the riots (The rather cliched 'build the revolutionary party' style ending is definitely on the cringeworthy side), but it actually stands up fairly well when compared to a lot of other things that have been written about them, enough to be worth posting at least. So without further adue here is Il Programma Comunista's assessment of the riots.

When a complete blackout extinguished all the lights in New York in summer 1977, plunging the metropolis into a long night of riots, we drew “three simple truths for the proletariat” from the episode. The first two were only too evident: the extreme vulnerability of the capitalist mode of production, not excluding, indeed above all, its phase of peak imperialist centralization; the violence and anger that are exuded from every pore of bourgeois society, the peculiar fruit of this “best of all possible worlds”. Since then, thirty-five years have gone by and other revolts have repeatedly taken place all over the world (not forgetting that for the whole of the ‘60s the U.S. ghettoes never ceased to burn): in Los Angeles, in Brixton, in China, in Argentina, in Mexico, right up to the Parisian banlieues in 2005, the anger exploding on the streets of Athens during 2010, the social earthquakes that shook almost all the countries on the southern coast of the Mediterranean in the first half of the year (earthquakes whose initially proletarian nature we have emphasized – authentic “assaults on the bakeries” by the hungry and desperate lacking any reserves to fall back on – and the way they were subsequently “captured” and channelled into the democratic course of things by a part of the petit bourgeoisie aiming at reforms that would not, however, upset the status quo). On a smaller but no less significant scale, in Italy there have been the uprisings by the proletarian immigrants of Rosarno at the beginning of 2010 and more recently at Nardò – direct, immediate reactions against the beastly exploitation they were subjected to – as well as the rebellions that are constantly happening in the concentration camps set up to deal with the so-called clandestine immigrants.

Now, this August 2011, while new and powerful tremors are shaking the rocky structure of the capitalist mode of production, the revolt has exploded in London (basically reduced to a state of siege), spreading quickly to other English cities which have for some time now been hammered by the economic crisis. In all these cases, entire communities in working-class areas, living on the margins of society and abandoned to their own devices in mega-cities that are increasingly becoming showcases of luxury and wealth and the crossroads of enormous commercial and financial interests, have flooded onto the streets, attacking the most obvious symbols of capitalist oppression and social inequality, emptying shops and chain stores, burning and destroying. In all these cases, journalists and observers, commentators and political experts, horrified and shaken, have asked themselves, “why on earth do such things happen?”, without being able (or wanting) to give the only possible answer: the agony of this mode of production has been dragging on for decades now with destructive and self-destructive effects, crushing lives, impoverishing populations, denying any sort of future to entire generations, swelling the numbers of the unemployed legions who are now beyond all hope. This is where the seed of revolution lies.

London and England have for some time been at the centre of the whirlpool in an economic crisis that cannot find solutions inside the economic-social mechanism that produced it. Independently of the colour of the various alternating governments and their policy orientations, in the past few decades we have experienced the inexorable social polarization typical of capitalism on reaching its extreme phase: the glass and concrete skyscrapers and the tottering slums, the newly renovated city and the city abandoned to decay. Is this anything new? Quite the opposite! Why not go and read (or re-read more carefully) The Situation of the Working Class in England, written by Engels in 1844-45 (or even just a novel or two by Charles Dickens)? Surprise? Only a blind man or an idiot could fail to see what is swelling day by day in the guts of this disintegrating society, the potential for explosion accumulating beneath the foundations and behind the façades.

The young and the very young, black and white, new immigrants and Britons born and bred, furious and desperate, closed in ghettoes and strangled by an increasingly enfeebled economy, pursued by a police force that is the armed limb of a State which is not neutral and objective but the military bastion of the ruling class, raid shops and chain stores, set fire to streets and neighbourhoods. Nothing but hypocritical and obtuse decent-thinking could fail to see in this the instinctive, unplanned expression of the violence exuding from every pore of a society involved in an eternal, daily war – a war at work (with waves of victims, in what are euphemistically termed “accidental deaths”), wars between industrial, commercial and financial gangs (with their inevitable effects – in the form of deaths due to hunger, illness, exhaustion, the pure and simple impossibility of survival), wars fought with weapons to win raw materials or keep the worst feared competitors from them, wars for the control of distant and nearby markets, in order to re-locate areas of influence (massacring increasing numbers of various populations) … the capitalist world is an immense battleground where blood never ceases to flow, where collective martyrdom is repeated day after day. Should we be scandalized?

An entire mode of production demonstrates in practice its bankruptcy, its physiological inability to solve even one of the problems that it itself has created, the emptiness of all the recipes, whether liberist or statist, right-wing or fake “left”, the impotence of gradual reform; the young proletarians from the suffocating suburbs have brought it to trial instinctively and without reasoning, in their anger and rebellion. We leave the bourgeois press’s journalists and opinion-makers to their reflections on the designer shoes, iPads and plasma-screen TVs stolen during the nights of rebellion, the sentimental, moralistic whining about the small shopkeeper who sees a lifetime’s savings go up in smoke, the pseudo-political and pseudo-sociological interpretations of the gangs, the thugs, the hooligans: all so many words. “These are not revolts for bread or hunger. These are rebellions by deprived consumers excluded from the market,” sentenced one of the many “masters of thought” in the Italian daily Corriere della Sera of 11/8: a fine thought, fully accommodated within the bourgeois ideology! In order to sell and make a profit, capital has made these products (those very designer shoes, mobiles, iPads) into as many “staple goods”; and now its underlings – the philosophers and sociologists – are surprised (and write about it in nice little essays) that these “staple goods” are made off with together with the bread and butter. The rebellion of the dispossessed always targets the symbols of the power and the wealth they are excluded from.

This said – we wrote in 1977 and in 2005 and we repeat it today (and this is the “third simple truth for the proletariat”) – it is not enough to feel immediately and instinctively on the side of the exploited rebels. What is needed is the clear-sightedness to affirm something more. To affirm that these flare-ups – so important as signs of the growing fever within capitalist society and the limits beyond which “patience” becomes unbearable – do and will occur more and more frequently under the pressure of the economic crisis. And that, however, abandoned to their own resources, they are destined to pass without a trace (except, unfortunately, for more proletarian deaths: the only solution bourgeois power knows to the social crisis is, in fact, military and repressive), to ebb into frustration or – worse still – to become channelled into the blind allies of rebellion for its own sake. The young proletarians who rebel do not automatically become a “class avant-garde” just because they protest against social and police oppression and the class perspective does not evolve mechanically from street fighting, even the most furious of it. What is needed in this situation, as it develops so dramatically and explosively, is the revolutionary party (and this need is becoming more and more evident in the defeats, amplified by its own weakness): in other words, the organ and tool which alone, after having carried out extensive work in contact with the proletarian class and thus being recognized by the latter as a true and reliable guide, can take up the impulses (irregular, disorderly, irrational and fuelled by gut feelings) coming from below, gather the anger and energy that comes from the grass roots of this decaying society and direct it towards the real, fortified bastion of capitalist power, the bourgeois State, conquering it and shattering it, to build its own dictatorship on the ashes, as a bridge that must be crossed to finally achieve a classless and therefore State-less society.

In the face of battles that are destined to become more and more extensive and clashes that will become increasingly acute and extreme with all the forces that wish to harness and repress the will to rebel and struggle, the revolutionary party is the only link in the chain that can weld the responses (even the most instinctive of them) to the living and working (or non-working) conditions in which millions of proletarians are trapped and transform them into a political class struggle, directed towards insurrection and the seizing of power.

But this Party is not designed around a conference table, as though it were the project of a forward-thinking architect, neither does it arise miraculously out of the fights themselves by virtue of a kind of spontaneous autogenesis coming from below, as so many fools would have it. It is the result of a long struggle carried out in an organized manner and in an international perspective by communists who, regardless of whether they were in a minority or few in number, managed to remain faithful, from programmatic, organizational, theoretical and practical points of view, to a tradition – the only tradition that over a whole century now has succeeded in maintaining the true revolutionary path – ours. There are no other ways. This one alone, with objective and subjective conditions having matured (including – and we stress it, to avoid any kind of voluntarist misinterpretation – the manifest inability of the ruling class to deal with the social crisis), can allow proletarians of any age, nationality, gender or skin colour, to make their way out of the blind allies and ghettoes where they are compelled to live their daily lives.

England’s burning suburbs today and who knows where tomorrow launch the umpteenth appeal to communists, to devote their best efforts and their revolutionary passion, courage and determination to strengthening the international communist party, extending it and sinking its roots in the international proletariat. Only in this way will it be possible to draw lessons from the flames of isolated struggles and channel them, victoriously, into the battle for a new, classless society tomorrow.http://www.internationalcommunistparty.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=89:from-englands-burning-cities&catid=39:frontpage

ZeroNowhere
16th September 2011, 12:17
I found the rhetoric pretty awful, and agree with you when it comes to the ending, but yes, it is probably better than a lot of what the left has come out with, while still reflecting some of the shortcomings of these (for example, in the dismissive attitude taken towards the struggles as soon as they turn to discussing the 'revolutionary Party'. I would suspect that the riots are far closer to an act of the Party than any of their attempts at organization.)

I do think that they may have a point with this:

The rebellion of the dispossessed always targets the symbols of the power and the wealth they are excluded from.Much of the leftist reaction to the events seems to be shock at the fact that the dispossessed would seek to appropriate the wealth which they are most blatantly excluded from, rather than simply sticking to cheap subsistence items and knowing their place. It's probably a decent point to make that capitalism has made these goods into a major form of output, so that it's hardly as if they're obscure, and as such it's really no surprise that they, being relatively common goods in stores, as well as expensive, would be stolen in such riots.

Still, it does at times seem to be a bit short of content and concrete analysis, given that it prefers to throw out vitriolic phrases for much of its duration.

Vladimir Innit Lenin
17th September 2011, 20:24
Few inaccuracies there:

1) The Capitalist Mode of Production wasn't reduced to a 'state of seige'. Mostly small businesses were affected, and the (admittedly extensive) damage that was done, was during out of business hours.

2) The claim that the phase of 'imperialist peak centralisation' in the US took place in 1977 looks rather foolish now, in 2011.

Having said that, the link drawn to Engels' writing in the mid 19th century is quite inspired and thought-provoking. Obviously, it's not satisfactory to say things have not changed, it's more that in the past 30-40 years in particular, there has (speaking from experience of the past 10-15 years) been a massive ghettoisation, specifically in North East London and North London where these riots first assumed their character. Indeed, it could be said that the initial rioting - in Tottenham, Wood Green, Enfield etc., - were justified, revolutionary attacks on wrongful state authority; I don't imagine anyone who knows North London intricately would disagree at the characterisation of the initial actions as a necessary and quite justified uprising. However, it's simply that the later acts bore little relation to the initial act, bore no target and bore no assumable aims, verbal output or class character.

Queercommie Girl
17th September 2011, 21:30
This one alone, with objective and subjective conditions having matured (including – and we stress it, to avoid any kind of voluntarist misinterpretation – the manifest inability of the ruling class to deal with the social crisis), can allow proletarians of any age, nationality, gender or skin colour, to make their way out of the blind allies and ghettoes where they are compelled to live their daily lives.
Conveniently leaves out sexuality/gender identity or any reference to LGBT rights...

Also, the term "race" would be much more inclusive than "skin colour". Race is more than just "skin deep" objectively speaking.

TheGodlessUtopian
17th September 2011, 21:34
Conveniently leaves out sexuality/gender identity or any reference to LGBT rights...

Also, the term "race" would be much more inclusive than "skin colour". Race is more than just "skin deep" objectively speaking.

I have noticed many leftist publications doing this.Makes you wonder who is writing these articles.

ZeroNowhere
18th September 2011, 13:03
Conveniently leaves out sexuality/gender identity or any reference to LGBT rights...

Also, the term "race" would be much more inclusive than "skin colour". Race is more than just "skin deep" objectively speaking.
I had many problems with the article, but those were not among them.

Queercommie Girl
18th September 2011, 15:27
I had many problems with the article, but those were not among them.

Do you think the rights of LGBT people are not on par with the rights of women and ethnic/racial minorities?

What if "race" or "skin colour" is omitted as well?

Die Neue Zeit
19th September 2011, 06:57
I found the rhetoric pretty awful, and agree with you when it comes to the ending, but yes, it is probably better than a lot of what the left has come out with, while still reflecting some of the shortcomings of these (for example, in the dismissive attitude taken towards the struggles as soon as they turn to discussing the 'revolutionary Party'. I would suspect that the riots are far closer to an act of the Party than any of their attempts at organization.)

That's only because Il Programma Comunista has a very, very limited view of political parties and institution-building.

tbasherizer
19th September 2011, 07:44
I have noticed many leftist publications doing this.Makes you wonder who is writing these articles.

Or not- it makes it quite clear.

black magick hustla
19th September 2011, 09:41
Do you think the rights of LGBT people are not on par with the rights of women and ethnic/racial minorities?

What if "race" or "skin colour" is omitted as well?

honestly, i don't think it would have mattered, at all if skin color was ommited. the point was that any proletarian regardless of whatever identity he or she can fall under. i think you are splitting hairs. do you want someone to mention LGBT just as a token reminder that yea, they don't mean to exclude you guys! you know, like how bourgeois institutions mention every possible thinkable identity in the hopes that the public realizes they are inclusive institutions? you are just being pedantic.

Jose Gracchus
19th September 2011, 18:01
That's only because Il Programma Comunista has a very, very limited view of political parties and institution-building.

ohhhh yeaaaaa you tell them.

As for the ICP document, I thought it better than the ICT statement on the riots, though the rhetoric, as noted, is exceptionally terse and purple at times. Still, the placed the riots in a sober context, without leaping toward some enthusiasts "unconscious working-class rebellion" while not moving to tail the right-wing of bourgeois commentary, that the "whites have become black" (read: have the temerity to steal luxury goods).

Queercommie Girl
20th September 2011, 14:39
honestly, i don't think it would have mattered, at all if skin color was ommited. the point was that any proletarian regardless of whatever identity he or she can fall under. i think you are splitting hairs. do you want someone to mention LGBT just as a token reminder that yea, they don't mean to exclude you guys! you know, like how bourgeois institutions mention every possible thinkable identity in the hopes that the public realizes they are inclusive institutions? you are just being pedantic.

I'm not "splitting hairs" since guess what there are still many Marxist organisations these days which are explicitly homophobic and transphobic. So actually for me it serves a very utilitarian purpose: If LGBT rights are not mentioned, then frankly I can't just assume that the said organisation supports LGBT rights and liberation at all.

It's true that "bourgeois inclusiveness" is often fake and hypocritical, but often making a reference to LGBT rights is still better than not mentioning or including LGBT people at all.

What you say here would make some sense if race and gender really aren't mentioned either. But obviously whoever wrote this thought that it is necessary to make "token reminders" (to use your own words) regarding race and gender, but not regarding LGBT people. It's not whether or not one has mentioned it at all that is important to be frank, but the difference in how race/gender and sexuality/gender identity are treated.

black magick hustla
20th September 2011, 20:29
I'm not "splitting hairs" since guess what there are still many Marxist organisations these days which are explicitly homophobic and transphobic. So actually for me it serves a very utilitarian purpose: If LGBT rights are not mentioned, then frankly I can't just assume that the said organisation supports LGBT rights and liberation at all.

i could split further hairs and say the problems of a white, cisgendered gay man are almost completely different than a black, homeless trans. how can we assume that if lgbt are mentioned, also black homeless trans folk are mentioned.






What you say here would make some sense if race and gender really aren't mentioned either. But obviously whoever wrote this thought that it is necessary to make "token reminders" (to use your own words) regarding race and gender, but not regarding LGBT people. It's not whether or not one has mentioned it at all that is important to be frank, but the difference in how race/gender and sexuality/gender identity are treated.

i could argue all that lgbt stuff is mentioned in gender. anyway, this was written by some old ass bordigists in italy, i don't think "not mentioning" lgbt meant that they hate lgbt people, they are just not used to do so. unless they explicitly mention something homophobic or transphobic, why are you giving them a hard time? nothing in that text is homophobic at all, you are just "assuming" they are because they forgot to list a token reminder (in the same that race here is used frankly, as a sort of token reminder too).

Queercommie Girl
20th September 2011, 20:42
i could split further hairs and say the problems of a white, cisgendered gay man are almost completely different than a black, homeless trans. how can we assume that if lgbt are mentioned, also black homeless trans folk are mentioned.

i could argue all that lgbt stuff is mentioned in gender. anyway, this was written by some old ass bordigists in italy, i don't think "not mentioning" lgbt meant that they hate lgbt people, they are just not used to do so. unless they explicitly mention something homophobic or transphobic, why are you giving them a hard time? nothing in that text is homophobic at all, you are just "assuming" they are because they forgot to list a token reminder (in the same that race here is used frankly, as a sort of token reminder too).

I didn't say they are queerphobic. I said I don't know that they are not queerphobic. You see the logic? There are more than two "states" here, it's not just "either or". I'm saying that I simply don't know what their stance on this is at all, and I'm neither assuming that they are queerphobic nor that they are not queerphobic. I simply don't know.

But you are right, why am I wasting so much time over this? After all, it's not like I agree with the pseudo-leftist left communist line anyway. So really, even if they are queerphobic, I frankly don't really care.

black magick hustla
20th September 2011, 20:47
I didn't say they are queerphobic. I said I don't know that they are not queerphobic. You see the logic? There are more than two "states" here, it's not just "either or". I'm saying that I simply don't know what their stance on this is at all, and I'm neither assuming that they are queerphobic nor that they are not queerphobic. I simply don't know.

But you are right, why am I wasting so much time over this? After all, it's not like I agree with the pseudo-leftist left communist line anyway. So really, even if they are queerphobic, I frankly don't really care.

how delightful

(PS: the reason why you think so many marxist organizations are homophobic is because you follow maoism)

Devrim
20th September 2011, 21:07
I didn't say they are queerphobic. I said I don't know that they are not queerphobic. You see the logic? There are more than two "states" here, it's not just "either or". I'm saying that I simply don't know what their stance on this is at all, and I'm neither assuming that they are queerphobic nor that they are not queerphobic. I simply don't know.

I don't know that you don't have a violent irrational hatred of the Laz minority, who live on the South Eastern shores of the Black Sea. However, as you have sp far failed to mention them in this discussion of the UK riots, I therefore feel correct in saying that I don't know that you don't have a violent irrational hatred of Black Sea people.

Oh, and when did you stop beating your wife?

Devrim

Queercommie Girl
20th September 2011, 23:50
I don't know that you don't have a violent irrational hatred of the Laz minority, who live on the South Eastern shores of the Black Sea. However, as you have sp far failed to mention them in this discussion of the UK riots, I therefore feel correct in saying that I don't know that you don't have a violent irrational hatred of Black Sea people.

Oh, and when did you stop beating your wife?

Devrim

This is a very stupid and inane analogy, because as everyone knows, most Marxist organisations these days explicitly mention LGBT rights, regardless of how well it's followed in practice. In this sense then the organisation here is the odd one out. So your comparison doesn't even make any sense.

The only reason I mentioned this issue at all is because most Marxist organisations would explicitly mention LGBT rights whereas this one didn't. My criticism is not that they are queerphobic, my criticism is that they should have explicitly mentioned "LGBT".

How is LGBT people as remote relative to the current UK riots as foreign ethnic minorities are? You don't think LGBT people actually live in London? You don't think the views and interests of LGBT people living in London are relevant at all when it comes to these riots?

(Actually there is a demonstration organised by East London Pride this Saturday which I will take part in, partly as a response following the recent riots)

Beating my wife? You do know that I am a woman and single right?

Why do you always talk to me as if I'm a man? Fuck off.

Devrim
21st September 2011, 11:04
This is a very stupid and inane analogy, because as everyone knows, most Marxist organisations these days explicitly mention LGBT rights, regardless of how well it's followed in practice. In this sense then the organisation here is the odd one out. So your comparison doesn't even make any sense.

No, it is not. Take this article (http://www.revleft.com/vb/rkob-five-days-t160611/index.html) for example recently posted on here. This one did mention anything about LGBT rights yet you didn't feel the need to troll that thread, or perhaps take a look at this article (http://www.socialistreview.org.uk/article.php?articlenumber=11747) from a recent Socialist Review, theoretical magazine of the SWP, not a mention of LGBT rights in their either.


The only reason I mentioned this issue at all is because most Marxist organisations would explicitly mention LGBT rights whereas this one didn't. My criticism is not that they are queerphobic, my criticism is that they should have explicitly mentioned "LGBT".

See above. In fact I would be surprised if any articles about the UK riots included mentions of LGBT rights.


How is LGBT people as remote relative to the current UK riots as foreign ethnic minorities are? You don't think LGBT people actually live in London? You don't think the views and interests of LGBT people living in London are relevant at all when it comes to these riots?

Don't you think that in a situation where the media is playing the race card that discussions of race are relevant in a way that a discussion of LGBT rights isn't? Have the media been attacking gays over these riots? Have there been articles in the press about 'straights turning gay', or reports blaming it all on gays. I think not.


Beating my wife? You do know that I am a woman and single right?

Why do you always talk to me as if I'm a man? Fuck off.

I talk to you as if you are a person. The thing about beating your wife is a classic example of a loaded question, nothing more, nothing less. It had nothing to do with you personally, and I have no idea, or interest, in your personal circumstances.

Devrim

Fawkes
21st September 2011, 19:41
Conveniently leaves out sexuality/gender identity or any reference to LGBT rights...



No it doesn't. The article mentioned gender; LGBT issues are gender issues.

Queercommie Girl
21st September 2011, 20:01
No it doesn't. The article mentioned gender; LGBT issues are gender issues.

It depends on what you mean by "gender". I can see how people who are completely non-sexist can still be very homophobic and transphobic - e.g. the lesbian feminist Julie Bindel in Britain is moderately transphobic.

However, suppose pedantically you expand the definition of "gender" so that it now covers the whole range of "gender identities" then in principle transphobia can be considered as a sub-set of sexism. For instance, since trans-women are also women, specific discrimination against trans-women is a specific form of discrimination against a sub-set of women, and therefore a form of sexism. Just like specific discrimination against Black or Chinese women are also a form of sexism.

Nevertheless, I don't really see how homophobia can be reduced conceptually to sexism even in a purely theoretical sense. Sexuality and gender identity are to some extent independent things.

Devrim
21st September 2011, 20:14
It depends on what you mean by "gender"...

Please stop trolling. This thread is about the ICP article about the English riots, not about your view on gender. If you want to discuss that start a new thread.

Devrim

Queercommie Girl
21st September 2011, 20:21
Please stop trolling. This thread is about the ICP article about the English riots, not about your view on gender. If you want to discuss that start a new thread.

Devrim


I'm not trolling. I was simply responding to Fawkes. If you want to blame someone for taking the thread off a tangent, then blame him. And frankly I was never trolling in this thread, despite being somewhat sectarian.

Maybe the mods would want to split the thread?

Fawkes
21st September 2011, 20:29
I define gender as a set of behaviors and actions attributed to individuals of a particular sex. Of course, it's more complex than that given that we are all made up of various intersecting identifiers that dictate one another such as race, class, location, etc., but if I was to try to isolate gender, I would do so by that definition.

Gender conflict results from the stratification between different gender groups, and furthermore from the oppression that occurs when someone deviates from their presumed gender role. A way that someone may deviate from that is by adopting mannerisms or clothing not typical of their gender, or by engaging in sexual interactions with people not of the "opposite" gender.

That's why I view LGBT issues as primarily gender ones given that homo/transphobic oppression stems from a perceived threat to the gender binary, the same structure that regulates sexism.

Queercommie Girl
22nd September 2011, 17:21
I define gender as a set of behaviors and actions attributed to individuals of a particular sex. Of course, it's more complex than that given that we are all made up of various intersecting identifiers that dictate one another such as race, class, location, etc., but if I was to try to isolate gender, I would do so by that definition.

Gender conflict results from the stratification between different gender groups, and furthermore from the oppression that occurs when someone deviates from their presumed gender role. A way that someone may deviate from that is by adopting mannerisms or clothing not typical of their gender, or by engaging in sexual interactions with people not of the "opposite" gender.

That's why I view LGBT issues as primarily gender ones given that homo/transphobic oppression stems from a perceived threat to the gender binary, the same structure that regulates sexism.

This is getting off-topic relative to this thread so maybe it's better to talk about this somewhere else, but just out of interest, in your paradigm (not saying you are wrong at all), how do you interpret and evaluate people like Julie Bindel, who is a lesbian feminist but also moderately transphobic?

the last donut of the night
28th September 2011, 02:29
so...


about this article...

A Marxist Historian
3rd October 2011, 09:03
I'm not "splitting hairs" since guess what there are still many Marxist organisations these days which are explicitly homophobic and transphobic. So actually for me it serves a very utilitarian purpose: If LGBT rights are not mentioned, then frankly I can't just assume that the said organisation supports LGBT rights and liberation at all.

It's true that "bourgeois inclusiveness" is often fake and hypocritical, but often making a reference to LGBT rights is still better than not mentioning or including LGBT people at all.

What you say here would make some sense if race and gender really aren't mentioned either. But obviously whoever wrote this thought that it is necessary to make "token reminders" (to use your own words) regarding race and gender, but not regarding LGBT people. It's not whether or not one has mentioned it at all that is important to be frank, but the difference in how race/gender and sexuality/gender identity are treated.

There are indeed plenty of leftist gaybashers out there, indeed most Stalinists (pardon me, "Marxist-Leninists") swing that way.

But get a grip. London and Liverpool 2011 are just not Stonewall 1969. This was a rebellion of the youth, especially racial minority youth, initially sparked by police brutality against black people. Mostly male is the impression the media give you, at any rate. If there was much of an LGBT presence in all this, it hasn't made itself known.

So in the context of what went on in England last month, talking about race and not talking much if at all about gender and/or LGBT oppression is simply competent reporting.

*Not* talking about race, or only tokenistically as certain Brit leftoids did, is a definite symptom of white racism in this context.

-M.H.-