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[RBG Soldier]

Freedom-the state of being free, political independence, personal liberty.

The reason why I wrote the definition is that I here alot of people talking about freedom and this isn't an attack against anyone in here but alot of people say freedom is this and that but how many of you in here actually are free. I remember when Assata Shakur was ask if she was free. She said no that she is still fighting for freedom and then when ask what is freedom. She said she didn't know because she has never been free, she could only share her vision of what freedom is. So if your free in here could you please explain to me what freedom is and if your not explain your vision of what freedom is, because truthfully I don't think no system (i.e. capitalism, communism, socialism, anarchy, ect) could set me free if I have no idea what freedom is, but I know one thing the conditions in which I live in today could be improve.... Add on

[BuyOurEverything]

Freedom-the state of being free, political independence, personal liberty

That's still pretty vauge. I think freedom is relative and can really be whatever you want it to be.

[RBG Soldier]

Explain what you mean by vauge?

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Freedom is freedom from oppression.... to me at least.

[BuyOurEverything]

Explain what you mean by vauge?

Explain what you mean by freedom.


Freedom is freedom from oppression.... to me at least.

What constitutes oppression?

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2003, 04:27 PM
What constitutes oppression?
The lack of equality

[Alejandro C]

freedom to me is the ability to have the same opportunities as everyone else in my country including the poorest of the poor and the most powerful of the wealthy.

by opportunity i mean the chance to get educated, create and support a family, and maintain a healthy life.

[BuyOurEverything]

So as long as everybody has no rights, works 20 hour shifts in horrible conditions and starves, we're free?

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2003, 08:36 PM
So as long as everybody has no rights, works 20 hour shifts in horrible conditions and starves, we're free?
If they have the ability to readily change that, then yes.
If someone else is imposing this time frame and the starving diet upon the workers, then it obviously constitutes as oppression and is not freedom.
As far as rights, people who are free have the right to say or express anything they wish as long as it does not seek to further the interests of a minority at the costs of the interests of the majority, and therefore creating classes.

[BuyOurEverything]

If they have the ability to readily change that, then yes.
If someone else is imposing this time frame and the starving diet upon the workers, then it obviously constitutes as oppression and is not freedom.
As far as rights, people who are free have the right to say or express anything they wish as long as it does not seek to further the interests of a minority at the costs of the interests of the majority, and therefore creating classes.

I'd say that it was fair and just but not freedom. Poverty is a restriction of freedom even if it is equally distributed among everybody and nobody can change it.

[lokigreeny]

Originally posted by Victorcommie+Oct 29 2003, 09:05 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Victorcommie @ Oct 29 2003, 09:05 AM)
[email protected] 28 2003, 04:27 PM
What constitutes oppression?
The lack of equality [/b]
so if we are all equally treated like shit - thats freedom, is it? if everyone on the earth was supernaturally herded into, say, England and for whatever reason we couldnt leave, if our birth, death and life are all regulated, thats freedom, is it?

[Alejandro C]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2003, 07:36 PM
So as long as everybody has no rights, works 20 hour shifts in horrible conditions and starves, we&#39;re free?
yes if EVERYONE is equal. i don&#39;t understand a situation that i described as freedom in which everyone has no rights. please explain.

[BuyOurEverything]

QUOTE (BuyOurEverything @ Oct 28 2003, 07:36 PM)
So as long as everybody has no rights, works 20 hour shifts in horrible conditions and starves, we&#39;re free?

yes

OK, I&#39;d say that&#39;d fair and just but I still think it infringes on freedom. I guess we have a different definition of the word.

[Alejandro C]

sorry i edited while you posted. please reply.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Originally posted by lokigreeny+Oct 28 2003, 11:37 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (lokigreeny @ Oct 28 2003, 11:37 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2003, 09:05 AM

[email protected] 28 2003, 04:27 PM
What constitutes oppression?
The lack of equality
so if we are all equally treated like shit - thats freedom, is it? if everyone on the earth was supernaturally herded into, say, England and for whatever reason we couldnt leave, if our birth, death and life are all regulated, thats freedom, is it? [/b]
Equaly treated like shit by who, comrade?&#33;
If their is an oppressor who is subjugating the people to this treatment, then he is obviously acting in the interests of an opposing class. This would clearly constitute as inequality and therefore not freedom&#33;

If there exists a society where classes do not exist, then nobody&#39;s class interests would interfere with the prosperity of the masses and a low standard of living would not be a low standard of living as everyone would have similar standards of living.

You&#39;re not thinking, comrade.

[BuyOurEverything]

Equaly treated like shit by who, comrade?&#33;
If their is an oppressor who is subjugating the people to this treatment, then he is obviously acting in the interests of an opposing class. This would clearly constitute as inequality and therefore not freedom&#33;

If there exists a society where classes do not exist, then nobody&#39;s class interests would interfere with the prosperity of the masses and a low standard of living would not be a low standard of living as everyone would have similar standards of living.

You&#39;re not thinking, comrade.

Maybe we&#39;ve used up most of the world&#39;s resources and are forced to live on ridiculously small rations. Or something.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

A lack of freedom is when one is restricted by another is some way. How does poverty play into this?

[BuyOurEverything]

A lack of freedom is when one is restricted by another is some way. How does poverty play into this?

I think a lack of freedom is when one is restricted at all.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

By "some way", I meant in way that I hadn&#39;t defined.
As in "some girl", I haven&#39;t said which girl, just some girl.