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Dimitri Molotov
14th September 2011, 02:40
Well comrades, I am probably going to be suspended in the next few days for a fight which will most likely occur. I am a junior in Attica High School in western New York state and I am pretty damn sick of all of the racist/sexist/anti-Semitic and homophobic bullying going on. It's gotten so bad that we have to have an assembly about it with like 2 other schools and cancel school for a day to call parents in. We have a large hand full of "emo" and scenester kids who dress "gay" and get picked on a lot. I decided enough is enough and I pretty much just told off all of the "cool kids" in our school, because even though they are bigger, stronger and could whoop my ass, they aren't going to, because they are pansies. But hey, they might, and someone else might start a fight I will join, but the point is this is going to get violent fast. There has been a lot of tension between the Anarchists/Communists in our school and the dumbass "rednecks" as they call themselves. There's only like 4 or 5 of us but we aren't afraid of them, the Anarcho-Commies in our school are usually the only ones who stand up for the minorities in our school openly and violently if necessary, so a lot of people actually tend to like us because of it. The other Ancoms are just a few of my best friends, and it is actually kind of awesome that we have actual intelligent leftists at such a young age who actually keep up with stuff like this. But here is a facebook debate I got in with the "cool kids" at school. You can see by reading this just how intelligent these fellows actually are. Also when people address "RJ" they are talking to me, my name is RJ.

Me: Homophobes and people who are against homosexuality are one of the most asinine and ignorant groups of people on the planet, without a doubt.

Jon: Every Body Love Seamen :D

P: True vary true

A: gay people can go suck a dick they suck

D: Er no... sorry to disrespect you, but you can go suck a dick for hating on gays. Gays, les's, bi's, straights, we're all the same in a way, we all love, just the factor that we love a certain gender. So. F*cking. What. I may be straight, but I won't stand for anyone that goes bashing on homo's/bi's. Don't go hatin'~

P: I agree fuck haters accept everyone for who they are

Me: Alex you're a dumbass and you and other people who think the same can go suck a dick. Unless someone presents me an actual intelligent arguement or opinion on why being gay or bisexual is wrong or bad, you are only providing evidence of your own ignorance.

K: Playing the old "I'll only listen to evidence and reason" card I see. You tricky bastard.

S: Tricky sticky my boys

A: coming from a weird ass commie loser kid you guys are funny I can't wait to see all the things you crazy skunks are going to do to our society

D: And you're a sick fuck who can't stop making stupid half ass judgements without full reason behind them. My judgement on how you're a fucked up jackass hatin' on same sex relationships has full reason, as you've provided the proof with your ignorant statements. You have no proof that homosexuality and bisexuality is wrong, because said proof does not, and will not exist, as there is nothing wrong with loving the same sex.~

A: i dream of the day where communist bastards like you get the fuck out of my country so I can live my life without constantly having the urge to drive over your dome with my truck, 9/11 baby 9/11 ... never forget.

Jared: this is so stupid . i agree with pete^
and you sound stupid trying to sound smart on facebook, your not. your defending gay people ***** ,your not smart

P: Lol This is truly funny so sticking up for someone who is gay is wrong or not smart that is funny and alex hate to break it to you but our country you love so much is based on people being able to have there own believes but hey i guase since you must be a real patriot your the kind who just doesnt listin to reason instead you blame all a the people who are different hmmmm mabey its not so funny just pathetic i had family suffer because of 911 but i support some of RJs veiws besides ignorence is gonna be the downfall of this country not people taking pride in who they are

Jared: wellll....i just think your an idiot.

A: im with ya jared your all idiots

P: Haha wow so not judging people becuase there different makes people idiot haha wow you guys must are smart you guys have so much logic its crazy

Jared: ya and your really good at making propper sentinces

P: I am bad and spelling i admit that all the time but hey must be the fact you cant find logic to back up your other statements but oh well doesnt matter i got my point across

K: I didn't know communist were behind 9/11, here I thought it was a government conspiracy. And I wanna say Scientologists might be just a little more asinine and ignorant than homophobes.

S: i like how that bashed everyone who said something on her prior

Jon: What fuck dose 9/11 have to do with communists or gays? If you love your country so much then, I think you should know that the people that caused 9/11 were trained by the United States.

Me:
1. When you say that you don't agree with homosexuality Scott, do you mean you don't want to be one or you don't want anyone else to be one?

2. 9/11 is completely irrelevant. Shut the hell up.

3. I still haven't seen any intelligent reasons to be against homosexuality. I'm waiting.

4. You pricks need to get over your own insecurities. I suggest spending your time hating people who actually deserve it instead of finding something irrelevant like this. Justify your damn views before you spew your bull crap.

5. Jared you can't spell or type correctly either so don't correct other people.

A:
‎1.Rj your a douche

2.still a douche

3.still a douche

4.yup still a douche

5.without a doubt still

A: still a douche

D: It's true that we're all entitled to our own opinion Scott, and that we are allowed to disagree with homosexuality, but the main factor in focus here (at least, for me) is not the disagreement in general, but the verbal abuse caused by some disagreements that lead to one person making fun of another for being homosexual. There are many people that commit suicide nowadays for being made fun of day to day for their differences, one of these differences being sexuality. I'm not saying that anyone and everyone has to agree with homosexuality, I just believe that going around and bashing on someone for it is just... wrong.

Me: And you are insufferably stupid, you don't even know why you don't like communists or gays.

Jon: Wow Alex people prove you wrong and your only response is to call them a douche, you are very smart.

Jared: haha ya not very great at spelling by i didnt correct his spelling just his grammer. i agree with alex though and i think alex is very smart lol. but if you really think 9/11 is a conspiracy , die cause thats ignorance at its finest scumbags

R: People should be able to have their opinions against it without being called ignorant. Some people like myself grew up as Christians who believe that love should be between a man and a woman.

Me: ‎9/11 has NOTHING to do with this but... 9/11 *was* a conspiracy. The word for word definition of
"conspiracy" is: "an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot." So yes, I do think that 9/11 was a conspiracy. If you are asking if I think the government did it, then no i don't. I know that terrorists did it, and in fact if you think 9/11 wasn't a conspiracy you either don't know what a conspiracy is or you don't know what 9/11 was. It was a conspiracy by members of Al-Qaeda to attack the white house, Pentagon, world trade center etc.

Secondly... The people, the "terrorists" who committed 9/11 WERE IN FACT trained, financed, and provided weapons by none other than the United States. Back when the Taliban was at war with The USSR in Afghanistan, the United States decided they wanted to interfere yet again for some reason, so they gave hundreds of millions of dollars to Mujaheddin to fight Russia for us. When we stopped paying them, the Mujaheddin got pissed and teamed up with local terrorist networks and gave them all of that money and the guns. It all adds up to about 6 billion dollars that we gave to Al Qaeda from different sources inadvertently. Also, Osama Bin Laden was given combat training and other training by the CIA before he betrayed us. The terrorist used the training, guns and money we gave them to destroy the Soviet Union, turned it on us and they attack our country. That is what happened. It is not because they were Muslim. Too many people think that they did it just because of their religion, but that is completely incorrect if you look at the big picture. That is what the US gets for always interfering with other nation's business, it's sad that it took a tragic event like this to open all of your eyes, but I see it still didn't work because you all still think it was because of radical Islamists.

Also Thirdly... Congratulations Ryan for being the only one today to attempt to justify their view besides using 9/11, grammar errors, or the word "douche" unnecessarily. You sir are not nearly as stupid as your peers. I have to say I don't agree with your point of view though mostly because I don't agree with Christianity at all, but I can see what you mean when it comes to that, but I respect you because you at least keep it to yourself, instead of making preposterous remarks, such as "gay people can go suck a dick they suck". And once again, good job Ryan, for not being a moron. :)

Jared: wait wait wait, so your gay, and this is you coming out of the closet?

Me: Yeah you got it. Even if I was, there's nothing wrong with it. Don't like it, get over it. You are stupendously unintelligent and you don't have to "come out" for anyone to see that, I hope you realize that.

Luc
14th September 2011, 02:56
First: Wow, talk about personal info:blink:

Second: good luck if you end up fighting:thumbup1: but be careful if they bring a weapon! If you end up "kicking ass" for lack of a better phrase be careful not to do somthing too illegal. Don't want to end up in juvey or jail.

third: you have more than 1 communist at your school?... damn I'm jealous

Fourth: much respect for you for standing up for them despite the possibility of violence!

Dimitri Molotov
14th September 2011, 03:06
Haha yeah, there's a lot of personal info but I tried to go through and get rid of names, but yeah, I like to brag about the school I go to because it is 300 feet away from Attica Prison where the riots were, I walk past it every day. xD and yeah i'll be careful. I have a few Communists at my school who are open about it and not afraid to argue who can actually back themselves up. It is kind of awesome, because all of the other schools around have a grand total of ZERO, so, I am thankful someone is on my side. :) Were you the only Communist at your school?

ExUnoDisceOmnes
14th September 2011, 03:13
Despite my dislike for semantical arguments about definitions :cool:.... Nice job standing up to those jackasses. I'm also jealous that your school has a group of communists. That's just amazing.

Rusty Shackleford
14th September 2011, 03:17
Edit the names and replace them with single Letters.

Aloysius
14th September 2011, 03:19
As far as I know, I'm the only "out" commie at my school.

As for fighting, just call everyone silly bastards and walk away.

Leftsolidarity
14th September 2011, 03:22
Hahaha man I get into these on a daily basis. Go to Scott Walker's facebook page and look at the comments. I'm the communist trolling all day erry'day.

btw, why are you friends with them on facebook if they are so god damn stupid? they would have been deleted, blocked, and probably had my boot to their teeth by now

Aloysius
14th September 2011, 03:28
Also, if they do threaten violence, report their sorry asses.

Commissar Rykov
14th September 2011, 03:28
Meh I've deleted family off my Facebook for homophobic, racist, etc. rants so I don't see why you don't do the same. You are just feeding their egos by even arguing with them as they want their ignorance to be vindicated by the "leftie."

Luc
14th September 2011, 03:30
Were you the only Communist at your school?

I'm pretty sure I (currently) am the only one, yes.:lol: The closest I have come is a proto anarcho-capitalist which I think if I can convince him, might become at least a socialist and a guy who is pro communist but like stalin and hates homosexuals so by our definition he definitely isn't.

Luckily though there isn't too much discrimination to my knowledge. From what I can tell our "scene" is dominated by either gangsters
( majority wannabes, I think some bloods too but very few) and mostly scaters. Though I have a feeling I'm going confronted by others within at least the next year though I doubt it'll get too violent, atleast I hope being outnumbered and al.:unsure: I also don't want to go to jail for kicking some kids ass, wouldn't be worth it, maybe a cop during protest but not some kid.

Dimitri Molotov
14th September 2011, 03:32
I probably should, but when its all over and done with, honestly I am addicted to debating. xD Probably half of my facebook friends are only good for arguing with, because they are all dumb as hell but, I'll probably get beat up over this one, but maybe not, they won't do anything. And okay I'll change the names.

Commissar Rykov
14th September 2011, 03:33
I probably should, but when its all over and done with, honestly I am addicted to debating. xD Probably half of my facebook friends are only good for arguing with, because they are all dumb as hell but, I'll probably get beat up over this one, but maybe not, they won't do anything. And okay I'll change the names.
I enjoy a good debate as well but that was just people spouting reactionary bullshit.

Leftsolidarity
14th September 2011, 03:41
Luckily though there isn't too much discrimination to my knowledge. From what I can tell our "scene" is dominated by either gangsters
( majority wannabes, I think some bloods too but very few) and mostly scaters. Though I have a feeling I'm going confronted by others within at least the next year though I doubt it'll get too violent, atleast I hope being outnumbered and al.:unsure: I also don't want to go to jail for kicking some kids ass, wouldn't be worth it, maybe a cop during protest but not some kid.

I've been to 3 highschools in 4 years and each one has been a different class: middle then lower and now im in the upper upper-class school

If your scene is dominated by gangsters that's not really a bad thing at all. The wannabe's aren't really worth shit though and they actually are a problem most of the time. Real gangsters though we can connect with. I had some crips and some other smaller local gang kids that I used to just talk to at school and they can really dig our shit if you can speak to them right. No bullshit and no fancy nonsense. I'm a tall skinny white kid who had 2 mohawks at the time and they respected and were down with the idea of a communist movement (didn't word it exactly like "im down with a communist movement" but i think you know what I mean). Fuck, a big group of gangsters even followed me and my ex-girlfriend through the halls when we rioted at school saying, "I'm down with this kid and yall should be too!"

I miss that school. Sadly, I left before I could get any real organizing going inside the school.

But yeah back to my point, try to connect with the gangsters.

CleverTitle
14th September 2011, 03:48
I've had a string of obnoxious facebook conversations recently. The most recent was on the topic of religion. One person was making xenophobic and racist comments toward Islam, the middle east, etc. I don't bother with idiots like that. But the person he was arguing with was just as bad in some ways. Essentially he was defending Islam and such, but in the most condescending way possible. "They can't help it that their religion is so violent." Agh. Very frustrating.

Luc
14th September 2011, 03:53
But yeah back to my point, try to connect with the gangsters.

Makes sense but there is a slight problem. I know for sure there atleast 2 (like I said very small).

First one: I was actually on good terms with but he last year mugged a guy and is in juvey atleast thats what I over heard.

Second one: in my first year in mid. school I almost got in a fight with him because he took our soccor ball.:lol: called him "four-eyes" which I know is wrong and I regret it but this was back when I wasn't an apolitical emo fuck.

The main reasons are that:

1.I have horrible communication skills as a result of nearly 4 years of minor social isolation. I can't relate to them and it seems all they care about is drugs, sex, and such.

2. I don't know who they are.:confused:

3. The majority of them aren't actually gangsters:lol:

I agree with you though that is a great idea.

Aspiring Humanist
14th September 2011, 04:23
but our country you love so much is based on people being able to have there own believes

Are you shitting me

Commissar Rykov
14th September 2011, 04:27
Are you shitting me
No unfortunately a lot of liberals believe that shit.

Dimitri Molotov
14th September 2011, 04:30
Yeah I did the same thing but with the Punk Rockers. I am probably the most obscene kid at my school. My first day of school outfit was a pair of black and red plaid skinny jeans, a studded and a spiked belt with a hammer and sickle belt buckle, black and red studded wrist band on one wrist and on the other a leather buckle with a huge Satanic style pentagram with the goat on it and chains hanging off. Then I have a bunch of hemp necklaces with peace signs, bleach blonde liberty spikes, and my punk jackets which have political stuff painted all over it such as "Feed the poor, Eat the Rich", "No Blood For Oil", "No War But Class War" Crossed out Swazzis, And a big patch on my back that says "Silence is Betrayal" and another one that says "Fall In Love Not In Line", and I usually have a controversial band shirt with a message behind it, Like my Casualties shirt with the nun in a gas mask dropping nukes on crowds of people with an upside down cross, My other Casualties shirt that says "No Liberty Here" or my Virus shirt with an :blackA: that says "There is nothing left." I found the other punk rockers and since they were all already down with Anarchy, I educated them on the subject and got most of them into Communism or Socialism at least. So we have a pretty good size group, and we are the bad ass hardcore punks so we don't take any shit from the damn jocks or preps or even teachers. We are all actually really friendly, and I would say that we are among the smartest in the school honestly, even though we all including me have failed multiple classes.

Lobotomy
14th September 2011, 05:27
Your high school sounds a lot more interesting than mine.

TheGodlessUtopian
14th September 2011, 05:37
A great read and props to you for standing up for what you believe.:thumbup1:

DeBon
14th September 2011, 07:22
Your high school sounds a lot more interesting than mine.

Agreed.

A Revolutionary Tool
14th September 2011, 07:47
Get in a fight and people who are bullied, especially the kids who get picked on because they're "gay"(whether they actually are or not), will totally look up to you and respect you for what you did and will be a lot more receptive to your ideas. At least they were in my case which made it totally worth the suspension. Good luck if you do fight them physically.

Dimitri Molotov
15th September 2011, 03:21
I am thinking about it. The fight escalated a lot farther after I posted this thread, it got a lot more intense haha. I usually don't get vulgar in my arguments especially with these kids who are all big enough to kick my ass. I pretty much told all of the bullies, homophobes and even a few kids who graduated years ago to go fuck themselves and come get me, so I guess you could say things are going to get interesting. In other news, my new pair of Converses came in the mail today. And before anyone says something about consumerism or whatever, I would just like to say that I don't care in this one instance because I patch and sew all of my other clothes myself from scrap fabric, and paint them myself, so I don't feel guilty about one pair of shoes. And come on they are really bad ass they are red and black and say CCCP down the red side in yellow font, they are pretty much the coolest shoes ever. xD

Leftsolidarity
15th September 2011, 03:37
I am thinking about it. The fight escalated a lot farther after I posted this thread, it got a lot more intense haha. I usually don't get vulgar in my arguments especially with these kids who are all big enough to kick my ass. I pretty much told all of the bullies, homophobes and even a few kids who graduated years ago to go fuck themselves and come get me, so I guess you could say things are going to get interesting. In other news, my new pair of Converses came in the mail today. And before anyone says something about consumerism or whatever, I would just like to say that I don't care in this one instance because I patch and sew all of my other clothes myself from scrap fabric, and paint them myself, so I don't feel guilty about one pair of shoes. And come on they are really bad ass they are red and black and say CCCP down the red side in yellow font, they are pretty much the coolest shoes ever. xD

Converse is owned by Nike btw

A Revolutionary Tool
15th September 2011, 04:56
I am thinking about it. The fight escalated a lot farther after I posted this thread, it got a lot more intense haha. I usually don't get vulgar in my arguments especially with these kids who are all big enough to kick my ass. I pretty much told all of the bullies, homophobes and even a few kids who graduated years ago to go fuck themselves and come get me, so I guess you could say things are going to get interesting. In other news, my new pair of Converses came in the mail today. And before anyone says something about consumerism or whatever, I would just like to say that I don't care in this one instance because I patch and sew all of my other clothes myself from scrap fabric, and paint them myself, so I don't feel guilty about one pair of shoes. And come on they are really bad ass they are red and black and say CCCP down the red side in yellow font, they are pretty much the coolest shoes ever. xD
Who cares, you bought some shit, everybody does. What I need to know is where you got these shoes, link please!

DeBon
15th September 2011, 05:54
Converse is owned by Nike btw

And, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Nike supported by a mass of sweatshops? :(

Leftsolidarity
15th September 2011, 06:01
And, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Nike supported by a mass of sweatshops? :(

Indeed

TheGodlessUtopian
15th September 2011, 06:03
Indeed

Most products are,however.

Commissar Rykov
15th September 2011, 06:07
Most products are,however.
Indeed, the majority of clothing that I am aware of come from sweatshops.

Leftsolidarity
15th September 2011, 06:22
Indeed, the majority of clothing that I am aware of come from sweatshops.

I was just pointing that out. I try to avoid it as much as possible.

bcbm
21st September 2011, 20:16
I am probably the most obscene kid at my school. My first day of school outfit was a pair of black and red plaid skinny jeans, a studded and a spiked belt with a hammer and sickle belt buckle, black and red studded wrist band on one wrist and on the other a leather buckle with a huge Satanic style pentagram with the goat on it and chains hanging off. Then I have a bunch of hemp necklaces with peace signs, bleach blonde liberty spikes, and my punk jackets which have political stuff painted all over it such as "Feed the poor, Eat the Rich", "No Blood For Oil", "No War But Class War" Crossed out Swazzis, And a big patch on my back that says "Silence is Betrayal" and another one that says "Fall In Love Not In Line", and I usually have a controversial band shirt with a message behind it, Like my Casualties shirt with the nun in a gas mask dropping nukes on crowds of people with an upside down cross, My other Casualties shirt that says "No Liberty Here" or my Virus shirt with an :blackA: that says "There is nothing left."

punxxx

ColonelCossack
21st September 2011, 20:43
It's so funny, I went on the "America is the greatest" page, and i trolled it. So then this guy was like (and I quote: ), "youre fuckin retard you dumb douche your a retard sittin in a hom with me payin taxes to keep u aliev"

So I was like, "No you don't because I live in a different country to you. IDIOT."

DeBon
22nd September 2011, 05:10
Indeed, the majority of clothing that I am aware of come from sweatshops.

Darn :/ are there any brands of clothing that don't use sweatshop labor? :confused: I'd really like to know.

Leftsolidarity
22nd September 2011, 05:16
Darn :/ are there any brands of clothing that don't use sweatshop labor? :confused: I'd really like to know.

There are a couple but they are hard to come across and rarely affordable for average people.

Dimitri Molotov
22nd September 2011, 05:20
Yeah I was aware that they were made in sweatshops, but I figured that since I needed a pair of new shoes I might as well get cool ones. Either way they come from sweat shops, there isn't much I can do about it at this point.

A Revolutionary Tool
22nd September 2011, 06:12
Yeah I was aware that they were made in sweatshops, but I figured that since I needed a pair of new shoes I might as well get cool ones. Either way they come from sweat shops, there isn't much I can do about it at this point.
Still need link to where you get these...PLEASE!

Rafiq
26th September 2011, 22:31
Jesus christ don't dumb yourself down by arguing with the narrow-minded high schoolers on facebook.

jaki cold
27th September 2011, 09:08
I liked the part where the OP was a punk. :cool:

Decolonize The Left
28th September 2011, 16:27
Jesus christ don't dumb yourself down by arguing with the narrow-minded high schoolers on facebook.

I'm going to echo this quote.

It's really pointless to argue with people on facebook - almost akin to arguing with people on youtube. Nothing will come of it. No one will change their opinions. So forget it.

You're far better off leaving facebook alone and dealing with shit when it happens at school. These bigoted kids from your school don't really know what they're saying or why they're saying it, and they certainly won't know what to do when they're actually confronted with it.

Also, don't go telling folks to 'come get you.' This sort of behavior is how people get killed accidentally because shit got out of hand. If you have to fight then fight, but do it when it happens and end that shit. Kick a dude in the shins, knees, balls, and punch to the face. There are no rules in a fight, no matter what anyone tells you.

- August

Nox
28th September 2011, 16:39
This is why I don't bother arguing on facebook, so many idiots trying to sound smart behind a computer screen.

Rafiq
28th September 2011, 23:10
This is why I don't bother arguing on facebook, so many idiots trying to sound smart behind a computer screen.

Doesn't that kind of sound like Rev Left? :D

ExUnoDisceOmnes
29th September 2011, 02:32
Interestingly enough, I was first exposed to leftist politics through a facebook discussion. Needless to say, I think they can have merit if you have them with the RIGHT PEOPLE.

Kamos
29th September 2011, 14:36
Despite my dislike for semantical arguments about definitions

So, who approves this spam?:sleep:

Queercommie Girl
29th September 2011, 21:49
Doesn't that kind of sound like Rev Left? :D

I'd argue that RevLeft is even more like that because for me at least the majority of people I interact with on Facebook are actually people I know to some extent personally, whereas here I can't even be sure that some people's identities are actually genuine.

Queercommie Girl
29th September 2011, 21:55
But yeah back to my point, try to connect with the gangsters.


Just out of interest, are these "gangsters" (real ones) transphobic or not?

Sam_b
30th September 2011, 01:11
Wow, this is a bizarre thread.

W1N5T0N
30th September 2011, 10:17
This is why I don't bother arguing on facebook, so many idiots trying to sound smart behind a computer screen.


and how is revleft any different?

:laugh:

EDIT: rafiq beat me to it

MustCrushCapitalism
30th September 2011, 11:00
Wow, quite some morons you have in your school. I enjoy arguing with idiots, though.