Socialism vs. Capitalism propaganda

[timbaly]

http://ist-socrates.berkeley.edu/~vbonnell/images/capitalism.jpg

The picture looks really interesting but I can't understand it, can someone translate it?
It looks to me like Soviet propaganda on capitalism.

[Bradyman]

I don't think you need to much translation, the picture kind of speaks for itself. The capitalists are profiting off the laborers that die in wars and work. That's a pretty cool picture though.

[Rastafari]

I see some anti-semitism in it too, though.

[Bolschewik]

you guys are idiots, this is not antisemetic. you must be one paranoid zionist to notice any slight hook in the captitalist's nose and interpret that as antisemetic sentiment.

top says: "the goal of capitalism is always one: "

exploitation rushes (to) War

bottom: "so the mass people's poverty and death will bring him maximum profit


- Former citizen fo the USSR

[Desert Fox]

I must say the picture looks quit intresting and excellent propaganda. It makes me wonder why capitalists never make any decent propaganda. It is always so boring and wants to give the people the false illusion of comfort. Atleast that is the rightish propaganda in my country, if you have any better propaganda just post them here ...

[Kapitan Andrey]

Man! I like this picture!!! :) :) :)

Yes, bolschewik, good translation!

[Iepilei]

I always liked this one...

text (very small) : "Everyday 500 billion dollars are spent on weapons."

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2003, 07:52 PM
I always liked this one...

text (very small) : "Everyday 500 billion dollars are spent on weapons."
I don't get the point of this propaganda. I can barely read the text but you have solved that problem but what does the pic represent. I may come over like a retard now that I don't get the point, but it would be foolish to pretend I do and don't know what it tries to achieve ;)

[Rastafari]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2003, 11:51 PM
you guys are idiots, this is not antisemetic. you must be one paranoid zionist to notice any slight hook in the captitalist's nose and interpret that as antisemetic sentiment.

top says: "the goal of capitalism is always one: "

exploitation rushes (to) War

bottom: "so the mass people's poverty and death will bring him maximum profit


- Former citizen fo the USSR
don't say "you guys" when your referring to me.
And there is a pretty big fucking difference between a Zionist and an Anti-Racist. I've seen quite a bit of anti-semite material due to several books I have which look at anti-semitic pictures and literature directly.

Now, it does have a good message and all, but the capitalist at the bottom is a Jew. Take that how you want it, but the idea of a Jewish-controlled capitalist economy ruling the world or any large nation is insane, and something those lovely Nazis use to justify all kinds of things. The fact that I see the same idea presented here scares me a little.

Which of my statements do you have trouble with, Comrade?

[lokigreeny]

This is a bit irrelevant, and im fairly sure youve thought of it before, but surely saying "you guys" at everyone just indicates a non-seperation between the sexes, which is a good beggining for the eradication of sexism...

i mean, i say "hey guys" to my girlfriends with no male conotations implied, and i used to cop flack for it, so i stopped, but then i thought about it...and decided it is less sexist for me to make a generic title than it is for me to seperate the sexes.

and before you say, "why not 'hey girls'" - because i CAN NOT stand it when someone calls me 'boy' i find it so patronising...so i wouldnt do that to someone else. and "ladies", well aristocratic conotations, i suppose... doodedoo, not much point to this post - but is your problem with being referred to as a guy all that bad? :huh:

:D

[synthesis]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2003, 04:32 AM
This is a bit irrelevant, and im fairly sure youve thought of it before, but surely saying "you guys" at everyone just indicates a non-seperation between the sexes, which is a good beggining for the eradication of sexism...

i mean, i say "hey guys" to my girlfriends with no male conotations implied, and i used to cop flack for it, so i stopped, but then i thought about it...and decided it is less sexist for me to make a generic title than it is for me to seperate the sexes.

and before you say, "why not 'hey girls'" - because i CAN NOT stand it when someone calls me 'boy' i find it so patronising...so i wouldnt do that to someone else. and "ladies", well aristocratic conotations, i suppose... doodedoo, not much point to this post - but is your problem with being referred to as a guy all that bad? :huh:

:D
I think he was objecting to its use in the plural form rather than any sort of gender-related implications.

[Kapitan Andrey]

Desert Fox...moron! This is the half-loaf of bread!!! It means, that people are suffering, they are hungry!!! And some bastards are growing their weapons!!! :angry:

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by Kapitan [email protected] 29 2003, 08:54 AM
Desert Fox...moron! This is the half-loaf of bread!!! It means, that people are suffering, they are hungry!!! And some bastards are growing their weapons!!! :angry:
OH :o Damn I really must have come over like a moron, if I didn't saw that :( But that just states that the message doesn't come over that good as the first propaganda. But I can see the point and the objective the propaganda tries to achieve, thanx for enlighting me on that subject ;)

[Exploited Class]

Originally posted by Kapitan [email protected] 29 2003, 01:54 AM
Desert Fox...moron! This is the half-loaf of bread!!! It means, that people are suffering, they are hungry!!! And some bastards are growing their weapons!!! :angry:
I am a moron too, I thought it was like half a marble or something... I didn't know that was suppose to be bread.

American bread looks like this most of the time.

http://www.internet-grocer.net/bread.jpg

And I even lived in Bulgaria and I couldn't tell that, that was suppose to be bread.

Good statement even if I needed somebody to tell me that object was.

[Exploited Class]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2003, 08:51 PM
you guys are idiots, this is not antisemetic. you must be one paranoid zionist to notice any slight hook in the captitalist's nose and interpret that as antisemetic sentiment.
Well I am by far not the most paranoid zionist, in fact I don't get into the whole debate about it much at all, but yah the guy looks like typical anti-semetic propaganda that prevailed during the time period that this guy was drawn.

It is a little known fact that the Russians weren't Jewish friendly during that time period, so it goes with reason that this does have a slant to it. A lot of Russian anti-capitalist propoganda art had many of the capitalists portrayed with generic jewish features.

So I don't think it is a stretch to think this one probably has those same qualities as well, they made the nose hooked for a reason.

[Rastafari]

god bless you

[Jesus Christ]

nice pic

[Jesus Christ]

i always liked realism :D

[timbaly]

Thanks for the translation. By the way I didn't realize it was bread either.

[Xvall]

It's not anti-semetic. Actually, in a way, it's a little bit anti-semitic (I know you're not an anti-semite, I'm just saying) to think that the picture is anti-semitic, due to the fact that that would require you yourself stereotyping the picture by assuming that because the man had (This trait) he was of (this ethnicity I don't think the picture was going for any sort of anti-semitic message. Anti-Semitic propoganda is easilly noticable because they will usually tatto a star of david on the person's forehead or something.

[BRIN]

I think that soviet propoganda up their is great and effective.I see the Anti-semitism but i don't really care because all cappitalistic jews are fucked anyway and that goes double for zionist.

I don't like all this pollitical correctness because in truth most of the jews i have met and seen(with exceptions of a few of my NON-praticing jewish friends) all seem to be arse-holes and biggets and i can see why so many people hate them .Because they are of a diffrent faith does't mean we should tollerate them and act like they are good when in truth only a minority of them are good ,because the rest of them have been socialised into being arse-holes.

[Pro-MyIdeals]

Originally posted by [email protected] 31 2003, 02:19 AM
I think that soviet propoganda up their is great and effective.I see the Anti-semitism but i don't really care because all cappitalistic jews are fucked anyway and that goes double for zionist.

I don't like all this pollitical correctness because in truth most of the jews i have met and seen(with exceptions of a few of my NON-praticing jewish friends) all seem to be arse-holes and biggets and i can see why so many people hate them .Because they are of a diffrent faith does't mean we should tollerate them and act like they are good when in truth only a minority of them are good ,because the rest of them have been socialised into being arse-holes.
there's no need to be a racist...what, praytell, is your background?

[Pro-MyIdeals]

also..the problem "up there" is the fact that jews were and currently are restricted from practicing their religion freely...it is a very tough place

[timbaly]

also..the problem "up there" is the fact that jews were and currently are restricted from practicing their religion freely...it is a very tough place

What do you mean and more importantly where?

[Pro-MyIdeals]

Originally posted by [email protected] 31 2003, 02:57 AM

also..the problem "up there" is the fact that jews were and currently are restricted from practicing their religion freely...it is a very tough place

What do you mean and more importantly where?
in the former soviet union, which is why my family had to move from there years ago...it came to the point where they could barely leave the house

[BRIN]

I might seem racist but i'm not,i'm simply against the jewish relligion and the jews who are corrupted by it.

I have been called cattle by practicing jews which is racist so why should i treat them withmore respect than they give me (the practicing ones NOT all jews).You and i hate Nazis ,but we do not know that all Nazis are evil but we still dislike them.Which is the same possition i'm in with praticing jews.I'm sorry if i offended your ethnic background but i've explained why i may seem racist

Pro-my ideals:if you mean what is my race i'm a anglo-saxon,My mums english and my dads dutch.

BTW Pro-my ideals is it true that to join the jewish church your mother has to be jewish?

[Pro-MyIdeals]

you are racist if you can denounce an entire faith like that...there is no jewish "church." the church is for christians...jews pray at a synagogue...you don't "join" the jewish faith if your mother is jewish...you ARE jewish if your mother is jewish

[BRIN]

I can also denounce fundimentalism but does that make me racist.I hate rich people does that make me racist.Correct me if i'm wrong but isn't the jewish religion very fundimental a very fundimentalist?

I do NOT hate all jews just quite a few of them,so i'm predjudice not racist but you do you belive the people of the kingdom of David are supperior to the rest of the world

[Guest1]

I'm a Palestinian who was raised with very racist views towards Jews.




Which is why you're offending me very deeply right now Brin. It took me a long time to get over that bullshit, your turn.

[BRIN]

I'm sorry if i'm offending you Che y Marijuana,but i stick by my view possibly because of my socialisation and my peers who are very anti-semitic.

I certainly don't belive that religouse tolerance towards zionists would help the world kick them out of power.Seeing in black and white has its advantages in that more action is done.

[Rastafari]

so what about people who grow up thinking that Black People and Apes are very similar?
Should they just stay wallowing in ignorance?

[BRIN]

Ok i&#39;ll won&#39;t post about zionism,judism and irael anymore because it gives you guys the shits <_< but i&#39;ll still post about other things.

Bye bye

[elijahcraig]

There is nothing anti-semitic about being against the religion of judaism. It is the same as being against all institutionalized religion.

Although Jewish culture and religion sometime blend, and the line blurs. If so, I am against Jewish culture as well.

[Kapitan Andrey]

Exploited class, you are not a moron. You just haven&#39;t seen Russian bread. Yes, your picture is usual white bread and that was usual loaf of black bread&#33;

[Pro-MyIdeals]

why are you against jewish culture?

[synthesis]

Originally posted by [email protected] 31 2003, 05:32 AM
There is nothing anti-semitic about being against the religion of judaism. It is the same as being against all institutionalized religion.

Although Jewish culture and religion sometime blend, and the line blurs. If so, I am against Jewish culture as well.
Good post. I completely agree.

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by [email protected] 31 2003, 09:58 PM
why are you against jewish culture?
Maybe he is against the extreme culture of the jews. Don&#39;t know how they are called tough, but they are real asses. They live in their little community and care less about the world and people around them. Sorry that may seem racist, but doesn&#39;t it seem racist and egocentric to only care about your own community and ignore everyone else in your envoriment <_<

[Pro-MyIdeals]

Originally posted by Desert Fox+Nov 1 2003, 09:42 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Desert Fox @ Nov 1 2003, 09:42 AM)
[email protected] 31 2003, 09:58 PM
why are you against jewish culture?
Maybe he is against the extreme culture of the jews. Don&#39;t know how they are called tough, but they are real asses. They live in their little community and care less about the world and people around them. Sorry that may seem racist, but doesn&#39;t it seem racist and egocentric to only care about your own community and ignore everyone else in your envoriment <_< [/b]
if he&#39;s against extremism, that is fine, because i don&#39;t like the ultra-religious extremes of any faith...zealots are no good for anyone...however the way he phrased it seemed like he didn&#39;t like jewish culture at all...i think it&#39;s good to have an identity...it gives people something to be proud of, no matter what culture

[BuyOurEverything]

BTW Pro-my ideals is it true that to join the jewish church your mother has to be jewish?

You can convert to Judaism regardless of who your parents are.


Correct me if i&#39;m wrong but isn&#39;t the jewish religion very fundimental a very fundimentalist?

Will do. You&#39;re fucking wrong. The Jewish religion is no more fundamental than any other religion.


Although Jewish culture and religion sometime blend, and the line blurs. If so, I am against Jewish culture as well.

What do you mean by Jewish culture?

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2003, 01:05 AM
if he&#39;s against extremism, that is fine, because i don&#39;t like the ultra-religious extremes of any faith...zealots are no good for anyone...however the way he phrased it seemed like he didn&#39;t like jewish culture at all...i think it&#39;s good to have an identity...it gives people something to be proud of, no matter what culture
Well you can be hardly against anyform of extremism, since we are all extreme in one thing or another. But I have no clue even what you take as "jewish culture" it is not possible to hate everything of it since you will always like something about it. Well we have no option but to wait untill he reposts here ...