Dear 9/11 Truthers

[Mythbuster]

Dear 9/11 "Truthers."

Do you ever stop to think how fucking ridiculous you sound? The government would be able to successfully pull off the attacks on 9/11 without anyone "spilling the beans"?

All it takes is for ONE person in the conspiracy ring to disaprove of the attacks and the plan can be leaked.

Seriously, think of those people needed to be involved:

The airlines
The president and congress
Twin tower operators
Firefighters
Whoever the hell planted the bombs

And the list goes on and on.

You do realize your theories have been debunked--So why dont you get a fucking life! The government was not resoonsible for 9/11

Truthers, I await your reply.

Sincerily,
comrade David.

[Judicator]

There's all kinds of evidence you can see plainly if you put on your tinfoil hat.

[Mythbuster]

Yup and I wish people would take their tinfoil hat off and smell the coffee bruing.

[Magón]

You know it's Monday, September 12th, not the 11th anymore.

[CommunityBeliever]

Engineers (including the ones who created the world trade center) generally don't prepare for planes to fly into their buildings. There is no reason to think the 9/11 attacks were a controlled demolition, or anything other then a plane attack.

[Mythbuster]

@Nin

I'm aware. I was going to post this yesterday but was sick. I have chronic allergy issues

@CommunityBeliever

What does that have to do with the post?

[Zav]

I personally doubt that the U.S. government set the event, but it is doubtless that they exploited it to its fullest extent.

[Mythbuster]

Zav, I dont get what you're saying.

[CommunityBeliever]

What does that have to do with the post?

Just that I agree with your statement, that the U.S wasn't involved in the 9/11 attacks, and I further reject the seperate claim that there was a controlled demolition involved in the collapse of the buildings. The engineers who made the buildings did not prepare for a plane attack, so it is not unreasonable to think those planes, separate of some demolition could have taked the buildings down.

9/11 truthers talk about "unexplained questions" but there are are hardly any that are really here - it was just a plane attack. There are many more "unexplained questions" surrounding the moon landings and other conspiracies.

[Mythbuster]

Just that I agree with your statement, that the U.S wasn't involved in the 9/11 attacks, and I further reject the seperate claim that there was a controlled demolition involved in the collapse of the buildings. The engineers who made the buildings did not prepare for a plane attack, so it is not unreasonable to think those planes, separate of some demolition could have taked the buildings down.

9/11 truthers talk about "unexplained questions" but there are are hardly any that are really here - it was just a plane attack. There are many more "unexplained questions" surrounding the moon landings and other conspiracies.

Thanks for the update. Yeah, I agree with you and never thought about that. Here is a question for 9/11 Truthers: Why are you still alive and not in a consentration camp somewhere?

[TheGodlessUtopian]

I doubt they ever really know how unbelievably stupid they sound,but hey,if sanity was their strong suit they wouldn't be capitalists (most are strange nationalists).

[aworldsman]

Please don't take this as an attack on your person, but I don't think that insulting groups with hasty generalizations and vulgarities will get us anywhere.

I think we can generalize that "Truthers" all have one thing in common - they're looking for answers that expose the filth that rots our social system.

I think we can all agree that an exorbitant amount of energy has been invested in the investigation and expression of these claims, but that doesn't justify a dismissal of the people behind them.

That's like dismissing Ron Paul because he's religious. A single perceived flaw is not grounds for total dismissal; we need to recognize the character of these people, and the potential we all have.

Look at what happened with the Pentagon Papers, the Tonkin incident, the consequences of 9-11, or any of the other countless, exposed, incontrovertible atrocities of our recent history. People know that our government is corrupt. People know that things need to be fixed. But there isn't any sense of collective energy. Shallow attacks on our brothers and sisters won't arouse that energy.

We should reroute our energies not towards hostility, but towards a mobilization of a common desire. Instead of insulting groups of people that we don't know based on ideas that we presume they hold as absolute, why not transcend the evidence and move onto the conviction?

There's a fighting spirit, I know there is. We just need to redirect it. Emergent theory supports us. I also know that when revolution happens, I want to be part of its cause, not its delay.

Much love,

M

[Drosophila]

This:

Chomsky dispels 9/11 conspiracies with sheer logic (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwZ-vIaW6Bc)

Also,

9/11 Debate: Loose Change vs. Popular Mechanics pt. 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stVmEmJ666M)

[xub3rn00dlex]

Am I the only one to think our government is too fucking stupid to even pull of half the shit required in this theory?

[PhoenixAsh]

right...wait...so...

The US government could not pull something like this off...and a man in a cave could?

Now..there is logic I do not follow. Because it seems to me all that was needed was not a complex conspiracy but a group of people willing to hijack planes and crash them. Nobody would be needed to get involved rather than those people and a couple of organisers/funders none of which have to be aware of the real plan.

So no...the US government could have pulled this one off easilly.

not saying they did...but all the debunking done was focussed around complex plots and intricate idiocy.

[Mythbuster]

right...wait...so...

The US government could not pull something like this off...and a man in a cave could?

Now..there is logic I do not follow. Because it seems to me all that was needed was not a complex conspiracy but a group of people willing to hijack planes and crash them. Nobody would be needed to get involved rather than those people and a couple of organisers/funders none of which have to be aware of the real plan.

So no...the US government could have pulled this one off easilly.

not saying they did...but all the debunking done was focussed around complex plots and intricate idiocy.

So do you want us to reconstruct the twin towers??

[PhoenixAsh]

So do you want us to reconstruct the twin towers??

how did you come to that conclusion?

[La Comédie Noire]

Now..there is logic I do not follow. Because it seems to me all that was needed was not a complex conspiracy but a group of people willing to hijack planes and crash them. Nobody would be needed to get involved rather than those people and a couple of organisers/funders none of which have to be aware of the real plan.

True they're both conspiracy theories, but in this case the official conspiracy theory makes far more sense by a long shot.

[PhoenixAsh]

true..

Though I remember two serious WTF moments when I was watching what happened with my grandmother on CNN and I had to translate. At one point they said the government had found evidence of Al Qaida being behind the attacks and there was mention of passport which were found of a known Al Qaida operative. This was 2-3 hours into the whole affair. Never heard anything of that afterwards...but the whole thing stinks to high heaven...and the government at least jumped right on it to play the blame game and prepare for war.

So it was not really surprising the whole scala of intricate conspiracy plots was puled out of the drawer to explain what had happened.

[xub3rn00dlex]

Hindsight, al-qaeda is ( or was ) a lot more complex than men in caves. I'm not saying our government couldn't necessarily pull it off, but I don't feel like they're capable of the logistics involved, let alone the risk of the entire thing unfurling through leaks. The only thing they technically would need to pull it off is to know beforehand, and not do shit about it.

[PhoenixAsh]

well...the US military has entire departments charged with counter isurgency, special ops and doing exactly what AQ did in other nations (long term infiltration)...whatever A was...it certainly did not have the infrasturctur or funds available the US cab muster.

[xub3rn00dlex]

well...the US military has entire departments charged with counter isurgency, special ops and doing exactly what AQ did in other nations (long term infiltration)...whatever A was...it certainly did not have the infrasturctur or funds available the US cab muster.

Very true, we don't have the funds though. We just charge it to the American Express card lol. I just find it funny how we wage war against two countries to root out the terrorists who did it, yet the minute we withdraw they'll be back in power. Makes absolutely no sense, but hey when has capitalism ever.

[La Comédie Noire]

I think it's important to note here that conspiracy theorists claims are so intricate because they have to explain away hundreds of minutes of video footage, photographic evidence, and expert analysis of engineers and physicists.

In fact what I find so weird is why they would even bother disputing the physical evidence. It is overwhelmingly clear that four commercial airliners were hijacked on September 11th and used to hit the two twin towers and the pentagon, while one was brought down before it reached it's destination. Four missing planes and hundreds of deceased people attest to this fact.

Why not start with these basic premises and build a conspiracy from that?

[Psy]

I think it's important to note here that conspiracy theorists claims are so intricate because they have to explain away hundreds of minutes of video footage, photographic evidence, and expert analysis of engineers and physicists.

In fact what I find so weird is why they would even bother disputing the physical evidence. It is overwhelmingly clear that four commercial airliners were hijacked on September 11th and used to hit the two twin towers and the pentagon, while one was brought down before it reached it's destination. Four missing planes and hundreds of deceased people attest to this fact.

Why not start with these basic premises and build a conspiracy from that?
Not all, for example Pilots for 9/11 Truth went with the fact the airliners could not physically go as fast as the report stated without breaking apart due to stresses that would have been exerted on the bodies of the airliners prior to hitting the buildings, thus the official report has to be wrong in that respect due to the laws of physics.

[Sasha]

while i aree with the sentiment of the OP there is one more important thing; the facts that al-qaida did it, that there was no "controlled demolition" etc etc doesnt mean there are not some very fishy things about some of the events before during and after that day.
because the facts are also that there was a conspiracy to deliberately misinform the first responders and NY population about the health dangers around ground zero, there was a conspiracy to use these attacks as an excuse to attack Iraq, there are pretty good leads to the story that some people on wallstreet knew that terrorists where about to hit the airline sector in a mayor way and made massive profits speculating with put-options on a stock dive of airline company's, etc etc.

thats the fucked up thing with the conspiracy crazy's, they themselves elbow away the whole debate about the actual possible conspiracy's and give the state the tools necessary to taint and ridicule those willing to dig beyond the official story.
its the exact same story with the El-Al crash on amsterdam, no it was not a hushed up terrorist attack nor aliens, but i have seen the crash site shortly after it happened, no fucking way that that plane only transported "flowers and perfume" and thanks to the crazy's we will probably never get the answers we deserve.

[Tim Cornelis]

The only thing that doesn't make sense is how they found the passport of one of the hijackers. Shouldn't that be evaporated by the fire ball?

[Zav]

Zav, I dont get what you're saying.
I mean that I do not think that the U.S. government was responsible for 9/11, but that they used it as justification for oil wars and xenophobia.

[Revolution starts with U]

I heard an interesting explanation saying the whole thing was a huge bank heist pulled off by Bin Laden becuase his family cut him off. All those put options were, according to this guy, BL's people doing it, and giving BL a cut.
... Interesting analysis, imo

[Revolution starts with U]

Oh, and also, the towers WERE specifically designed to withstand a plane impact... but being designed to do something and actually doing it with the technology of 30 years later, is a different story.