School is too hard?

[CommieTroll]

Does anyone here thing school is too hard? I'm 16 and I've tried for the last hour to try and conjugate a Spanish verb, and here's the funny part, I can barely do that in English. This year especially they are down our throats about ''exams in June'' & ''study, study, study''. I think they're pushing us too hard. This homework is a fucking chore. I personally don't give a fuck about the themes of revenge in Hamlet or ''Anglo-American pop culture'' in History, we actually did that instead of the Great October Revolution. Has anyone ever felt this mentally drained from school?

[Broletariat]

I tend to love school, and hate Spanish.

If you ever want any help with anything feel free to PM me, especially related to math.

[CommieTroll]

I tend to love school, and hate Spanish.

If you ever want any help with anything feel free to PM me, especially related to math.

I usually fall asleep in Maths class, probably from lack of sleep because I'm always up late doing homework

[Broletariat]

I usually fall asleep in Maths class, probably from lack of sleep because I'm always up late doing homework

I fucking LOVE math. I'm a math major nowadays :3

[CommieTroll]

I fucking LOVE math. I'm a math major nowadays :3

I wish I shared your enthusiasm, they way I always looked at the harder math such as algebra and long division is when the hell will I ever need it outside school?

[Broletariat]

I wish I shared your enthusiasm, they way I always looked at the harder math such as algebra and long division is when the hell will I ever need it outside school?

Harder math
Algebra


Okay kid you're really killing me :P

But nah I understand how that can be difficult.


Don't look at it so much as, when will I ever need this, but instead, get lost in the intricacies of it all absorb all the information you can and float freely around in it.

Besides, basic algebra is useful for some Marxist equations like that of the rate of surplus value etc.

[Luc]

You don't get to study the october rev. in history?

Wow that sucks.

I get to up here(Canada) the course is called "20th Century History" maybe you have it or somthing similiar that you missed?

[Misanthrope]

What spanish are you in? PM any questions if you're level 3 or below. Also what verb/tense are you having trouble with?



You don't get to study the october rev. in history?

Wow that sucks.

I get to up here(Canada) the course is called "20th Century History" maybe you have it or somthing similiar that you missed?

sweet class, I took 2 classes called 19th and 20th history and change and revolutions, of course you will learn more about the october revolution here on revleft but it's fun to debate and I find history classes extremely easy, sometimes boring because of that.


I personally don't give a fuck about the themes of revenge in Hamlet

dude Hamlet is the sweetest book.

>dat teenage angst. Shakespeare is beautiful. Try doing homework high, makes it fun.

[The Dark Side of the Moon]

Always easy to me, just WAY too much work

[#FF0000]

I don't know about too hard. I think schools ought to do more to accommodate different learning styles as opposed to using lectures and testing so much

[o well this is ok I guess]

Hard? Probably not. But honestly, how can one expect to work with any sort of diligence when drained of any passion to learn?

[Welshy]

My problem isn't that I find school to be hard, but just that the way we are taught is rather stupid. Instead of focusing on learning, they just push you to memorize only what you need for some final exam.


I'm 16 and I've tried for the last hour to try and conjugate a Spanish verb, and here's the funny part, I can barely do that in English.

This is a problem that I have with how languages are taught in high school. They focus on just teaching grammar and then through you random vocab and then expect you to learn the language. They seem to forget that language learning is an active process and because of that they need to focus on actually using the language with teaching grammar points and vocab as a way to supplement this and to expand what you are able to use while speaking or reading the language. When I took german in high school I was able to learn all the grammar easily and the vocab enough to pass the vocab quizzes, but when it came down it I learned more when I forced myself to read german newspapers and books than I did in class.

[jake williams]

School is too hard, but not because the material you're learning is too advanced for the students.

A big part of the problem is that school just sucks. You get asked to whole lot with limited apparent usefulness, and you have no rights. If you complain about it you're told you'll understand when you're older and that teenager problems aren't real problems.

Another problem is that a whole lot of material is taught wrong. It's very rarely the teacher's fault. So, languages for example are taught in nothing like the way people normally learn languages. To be able to learn a language, generally speaking, you have to hear it/read it a whole lot, speak/write it often, you need to want to learn it, and so on. Access to native speakers is a big deal, something not always true at least for French teachers in Ontario, I don't know about Spanish where you are. You're taught this really formalized version of a language that our brains just aren't used to learning.

For math, things are so abstract and people's experience and ability to relate to abstract ideas vary so widely that it's really difficult to teach concepts in a generalized way that everyone is going to understand. It's very very difficult to learn math in a natural, comfortable, easy way from a textbook without any assistance. But it's actually fairly easy if people give and receive attention while they're learning it and students in this part of the world could be learning a lot more math than they do.

Of course, there's all sorts of obvious problems with history; and so on.

[eric922]

I love school, except for German, but if you ever need help in English, history, or political science, feel free to PM me, I'm afraid your on your own in math though, I hate it. Thank God, I never have to take another math class again.

High School does suck though, you have no freedom. College is some better in that you at least have some choice.

[Broletariat]

I love school, except for German, but if you ever need help in English, history, or political science, feel free to PM me, I'm afraid your on your own in math though, I hate it. Thank God, I never have to take another math class again.

High School does suck though, you have no freedom. College is some better in that you at least have some choice.

I dread the day when my math education comes to an end.


Also, college sucks too, possibly worse than high school imo. Honestly, I feel more patronised in college than I ever have in high school. So many bullshit seminars about learning to manage your time eating habits study time etc. Like, jesus christ do they think we just popped out the womb?

[eric922]

I dread the day when my math education comes to an end.


Also, college sucks too, possibly worse than high school imo. Honestly, I feel more patronised in college than I ever have in high school. So many bullshit seminars about learning to manage your time eating habits study time etc. Like, jesus christ do they think we just popped out the womb?

Oh you mean those Freshman orientation classes and the like? Oh, those did suck. I had forgotten about them, thanks for the flashbacks.

[Broletariat]

Oh you mean those Freshman orientation classes and the like? Oh, those did suck. I had forgotten about them, thanks for the flashbacks.

Do they leave you alone about that crap after freshman year?

I get the feeling this campus culture bullshit will keep going though.

[eric922]

Do they leave you alone about that crap after freshman year?

I get the feeling this campus culture bullshit will keep going though.
They do for the most part, professors will still tell you to study for your tests and such,but it isn't near as bad. Freshman year does suck really bad, though. Like I said it isn't as bad after that.

[ColonelCossack]

pft

no

I should know, I go to school!

But i am, like, the nerd of nerds. So I would say that.

I also think it varies from country to country...

[CommunityBeliever]

Most schools suck, however, it is only hard for you to get through them if it is hard for you to do sucky things.

Furthermore, I have actually heard about some private schools that did not suck, and which actually gave its bourgeoisie students some autonomy and a sense of purpose, however, obviously those aren't going to be available to the majority of the population. After all, the very essence capitalism is uneven distribution, which even applies to education.

The thing that really saddens me is I know many good ideas about how to fix education and improve society but there just isn't the social will there to put them into practice :(

[tbasherizer]

I know it was said in a lighthearted way and meant as an anesthetic, but I think that perhaps doing homework on maybe a third of your recreational dose of weed would make the learning process better. I was known in high school for having weird analogies and visualizations for everything, from French to Calculus to History, and that was without weed. Perhaps a little bit might aid you in being able to store things away in a different, more easily recallable way.

If you're not into weed in the first place, I wouldn't recommend getting into it just to try this out, but if you're already toking up, you may as well use it constructively ;)

I'm great at math up until first year university calculus and combinatorics, so feel free to ask me any of our high school math questions. I also have a knack for English grammar, vocabulary, and punctuation and can help spice up/deplagiarise your essays. In fact, send me a line if you need help in anything except a foreign language.

PS- Math is everywhere; you just need to look for it in the right places.

[CommieTroll]

You don't get to study the october rev. in history?

Wow that sucks.

I get to up here(Canada) the course is called "20th Century History" maybe you have it or somthing similiar that you missed?

It is on the course but in a filtered version. My textbook mainly focuses on the ''evil'' regime Lenin setup, the famines & the purges. My teacher says that she doesn't teach it because ''its too hard for students'' which is a cop out.

[CommieTroll]

I know it was said in a lighthearted way and meant as an anesthetic, but I think that perhaps doing homework on maybe a third of your recreational dose of weed would make the learning process better. I was known in high school for having weird analogies and visualizations for everything, from French to Calculus to History, and that was without weed. Perhaps a little bit might aid you in being able to store things away in a different, more easily recallable way.

If you're not into weed in the first place, I wouldn't recommend getting into it just to try this out, but if you're already toking up, you may as well use it constructively ;)

I'm great at math up until first year university calculus and combinatorics, so feel free to ask me any of our high school math questions. I also have a knack for English grammar, vocabulary, and punctuation and can help spice up/deplagiarise your essays. In fact, send me a line if you need help in anything except a foreign language.

PS- Math is everywhere; you just need to look for it in the right places.

I can't do school when I'm high :laugh: The whole ordeal of hiding it and not enjoying it is pretty shitty. I guess I should have worded things differently, I do struggle in Maths but for the rest of my subjects I just think it's pointless or I don't like the way we have to do things, I'm usually overcome with boredom in class. I like English but structuring essays and studying the most mundane poetry you can find for days on end is enough to make me puke.

[CommieTroll]

dude Hamlet is the sweetest book.

>dat teenage angst. Shakespeare is beautiful. Try doing homework high, makes it fun.

I did enjoy reading it and watching the movie and the entire story as a whole but the way we have to learn it and memorize quotes and themes for an exam is pathetic and ruined the experience for me

[eric922]

I did enjoy reading it and watching the movie and the entire story as a whole but the way we have to learn it and memorize quotes and themes for an exam is pathetic and ruined the experience for me
That is a terrible way to teach Shakespeare. You should read the whole book and discuss it in class as you do. You should understand the themes, but this whole memorizing quotes for exams is a terrible way to teach.

I hate how our education system is centered around tests and exams. I prefer the Socratic method for teaching.

[Smyg]

Currently struggling with some rather advanced Russian, and basic Chinese. It sucks.

[Luc]

It is on the course but in a filtered version. My textbook mainly focuses on the ''evil'' regime Lenin setup, the famines & the purges. My teacher says that she doesn't teach it because ''its too hard for students'' which is a cop out.

Really? Well I don't mean the whole evil thing 'cause thats relative but they filter things? and they teacher doesn't teach stuff because the students don't know it?

Wow sorry to hear.

Stay Strong!

/solidarity

on a side note I fail at creativity and don't think I'll do very good in my math class because of it lol

[Smyg]

My *American* history textbook actually portrayed Lenin as a strong and charismatic leader who brought his people out of misery and dictatorship, before Stalin fucked everything up. Almost those exact words, really. It's.. uncanny. :mellow:

[Luc]

diff places I guess

When doing my science exam last year in one of the higher grade's class there were big pictures of Lenin and Marx right above the front board:lol:

I'm not a huge fan of Lenin but that was pretty cool.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

Currently am struggling through math and will soon be taking PSY101.I can't wait until psychology but anything that has to do with math is a brain killer for me.

[Smyg]

I'm no big fan of individual leaders either, but when the school system actually manages to portray Socialists as 'good' people... yeah. :D

[thesadmafioso]

If anything I would say that the educational structures of capitalism are far too simplistic in their approach to most subjects of political consequence.

I would say that a redoubled effort of revolutionist thought should be brought forth to replace this shattered mold, one which encompasses a far more engrossing approach to a multitude of subjects in the field of the social sciences and culture.

[La Comédie Noire]

I don't know how I used to do 7 classes a day in high school, that shit's insane.

[Luc]

I don't know how I used to do 7 classes a day in high school, that shit's insane.

7 classes!? that is insane:ohmy:

where is that?

the most we have here is 4

[La Comédie Noire]

7 classes!? that is insane:ohmy:

where is that?

the most we have here is 4

Massachusetts, United States. Usually it was:

English
Math
Foreign Language
History
Science
Gym
Elective (which floated around so really we had 8 classes in total)
Physical Education

I'm just as amazed as you are btw.

[Luc]

Massachusetts, United States. Usually it was:

English
Math
Foreign Language
History
Science
Gym
Elective (which floated around so really we had 8 classes in total)
Physical Education

I'm just as amazed as you are btw.

Wow, I am inspired now. I will work harder now with my 4 courses and fix that creativity thing.:lol:

[CommieTroll]

Massachusetts, United States. Usually it was:

English
Math
Foreign Language
History
Science
Gym
Elective (which floated around so really we had 8 classes in total)
Physical Education

I'm just as amazed as you are btw.

It's 8 classes a day where I go to school, most classes are 35mins long but the first in the morning is 40mins long, those are a nighmare

[Luc]

I don't know how you guys manage to learn that many diff things in that short period of time.

Your my heros!

[ColonelCossack]

History
english
maths
biology
chemistry
physics
ICT
RE
Art
PE

that's 10, you revisionists.


And i have Oboe lessons, and I'm in a play, and I used to do astronomy after school.

Edit: Oh! I forgot. I also do spanish, which makes 11.

Edit 2: And I've just remembered citizenship. Which makes 12.

But english is split into 2 gcse's, and because I'm in top set maths I also do statistics as part of my maths course. But then again. RE and ICT are only half gcse's, and PE and citizenship aren't even gcse's at all.

[Luc]

It's good to be Canadian. i won't complain anymore

/relaxed

[CommieTroll]

Take a look at my school's website
http://www.scoilmhuirebuncrana.ie/
The building on the right is the actual school and the one on the left is a convent of nuns. The place is pretty authoritarian

[Luc]

on the plus side you have a huge field.

Ours is near non-existant or it has a football field on it

[CommieTroll]

on the plus side you have a huge field.

Ours is near non-existant or it has a football field on it

That's not even our football pitch:laugh:

[Kornilios Sunshine]

Actually, school is TOO boring unless there are friends.

[CommieTroll]

Actually, school is TOO boring unless there are friends.

Yeah, I have a few good friends that I can actually stand but for a majority of my classes I'm on my own

[eric922]

Take a look at my school's website
http://www.scoilmhuirebuncrana.ie/
The building on the right is the actual school and the one on the left is a convent of nuns. The place is pretty authoritarian
I see your Catholic school and raise you my high school. The King's Academy ran by the Southern Baptist Convention.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

Actually, school is TOO boring unless there are friends.

Friends never "did" anything for me when it comes to reliving the drudgery of that hellhole.For some I suppose it helps but for many others (like myself) the question of others floating around you all day only complicated things.

[CommieTroll]

Friends never "did" anything for me when it comes to reliving the drudgery of that hellhole.For some I suppose it helps but for many others (like myself) the question of others floating around you all day only complicated things.

They can indeed make it worse, especially when they are immature

[ColonelCossack]

All my friends are hideous reactionaries. And i hate to say it, but it's starting to rub off on me...

Good job i'm already a communist so I can resist it. :laugh:

[piet11111]

The worst about school is not having any control about what you are taught i did not give a flying fuck about german or french if only they gave me more history and geography !

glad i am done with school and i will never go back.
edit: not that work is any better though it sucks at least as much as school.

[Cheif45]

school is too easy, but I still get shit grades from the fact I stay up till 6, then sleep in school xD
I personalyl believe school is a waste of time, I learn more browsing the internet for twenty minutes, than sitting in a class for an hour and twelve...
but just think, in two years you'll be out in the world, don't worry.. It'll get better

[Veovis]

I had a hard time in school too not because my course load was heavy or my classes were particularly hard, but rather because I was struggling with depression and wasn't consistently medicated or in therapy. You'd be amazed at how many stupid little assignments can seem as hard as climbing Everest.

As for Spanish, I've been studying the language for over 10 years and as far as I can tell the best way to learn it is to spend time with people who speak it; that is, immersion. If you can't do that, listen to music with Spanish lyrics and read news sites in Spanish. That's how I did it and now I'm fluent enough to take Spanish calls at my call center job.

If you need help with verb conjugation send me a PM. Most English speakers are unfamiliar with verb conjugation because verbs simply aren't extensively inflected in our language. You don't learn it by studying conjugation tables - you have to listen and read the language and eventually you'll just instinctively know it.

[Nox]

Does anyone here thing school is too hard? I'm 16 and I've tried for the last hour to try and conjugate a Spanish verb, and here's the funny part, I can barely do that in English. This year especially they are down our throats about ''exams in June'' & ''study, study, study''. I think they're pushing us too hard. This homework is a fucking chore. I personally don't give a fuck about the themes of revenge in Hamlet or ''Anglo-American pop culture'' in History, we actually did that instead of the Great October Revolution. Has anyone ever felt this mentally drained from school?

I don't know what it's like in the USA, but here in the UK high school is way too easy.

We learn a load of shit that won't be of any relevance to us in the future, and we only learn the stuff that's on the exam.

The main problem here is that the exams are way too easy; almost everyone passes all of their GCSEs, which makes them useless. Same with A-levels. Same to an extent with low-level University degrees.

[Susurrus]

I go to an arts high school, so the atmosphere is more relaxed than in other schools. However, the academics are still stupid, and some of our teachers are really quite horrible. And the little bit of freedom just makes you want more. And the combination of serious academic work and serious arts work makes the workload staggering, I rarely sleep enough. The only real academic thing I learn in school that I couldn't learn elsewhere is math(which I suck at, but Statistics is a lot easier to understand than anything math related I've had in years).

[Invader Zim]

Does anyone here thing school is too hard? I'm 16 and I've tried for the last hour to try and conjugate a Spanish verb, and here's the funny part, I can barely do that in English. This year especially they are down our throats about ''exams in June'' & ''study, study, study''. I think they're pushing us too hard. This homework is a fucking chore. I personally don't give a fuck about the themes of revenge in Hamlet or ''Anglo-American pop culture'' in History, we actually did that instead of the Great October Revolution. Has anyone ever felt this mentally drained from school?


I've tried for the last hour to try and conjugate a Spanish verb, and here's the funny part, I can barely do that in English.

You just did several times in your post.


This year especially they are down our throats about ''exams in June'' & ''study, study, study''. I think they're pushing us too hard.

You don't have to do any revision. It is entirely your call. The exams are what they are, and if you are ready for them you will likely do far better than if you are not. But ultimately it is upto you. Teachers have a vested interest in your passing, it makes them look better, so they encourage you to employ practises which will help you do so. But surely you should have a still greater interest in revising and succeeding, no? After all it is your future at stake and not your teacher's.


This homework is a fucking chore.

No doubt. Like the rest of us you would probably be doing something other than work. However, I promise you that work for school is a lot less shitty than real work. Hell, it was a stint as a manual labourer which made the decision about whether I wanted to go to university. Six essays and three exams a semester or shovelling several cubic metres of shit (I was a landscape gardener, and general dogsbody, for a while) - for me it is going to be the essays and exams every time.


I personally don't give a fuck about the themes of revenge in Hamlet

With the exceptions of a few pretentious wankers, very few people do. But it isn't the text which matters, per say, but your ability to master it. If you can prove that you can examine, precis and analyse Hamlet then that is a measure of your abilities on a number of different levels. While of no practical application, and in my case (though we had to read A Midsummer Night's Dream) expunged from my memory not only as soon as possible but as much as possible.


or ''Anglo-American pop culture'' in History, we actually did that instead of the Great October Revolution.

And quite right too. I wish we did something like that back when I was in school. If you actually want to know about a society in the past the pop-culture is the place to turn.


We learn a load of shit that won't be of any relevance to us in the future, and we only learn the stuff that's on the exam.

The argument being, however, that a school education should not be purely vocational but also intellectually, culturally and socially valid. That is not an unreasonable expectation of education. Or would you have literature and history, among others, striken from the collective curriculum?


Same to an extent with low-level University degrees.

Not quite. The 'grade', and indeed overall score, you get at degree level counts for a lot. While people may pass, if they get a shitty pass, such as a plain pass or a third, then for a lot of employers they need not have bothered even attend university. (and who can blame them, as you noted, you can near wipe your behind with the exam paper and not far off pass) But the higher pass level still remain rlatively eclusive. A 2:2 has become the equivelent of a D to C (in a-level and GCSE terms) a 2:1 C to B and a 1st A to A*. Only a few percent of the students taking my subject (history) at the university I attended recieved a 1st.

[AmericanCommie421]

I've always loved school, including languae classes. That being said, when learning a new language take an extra amount of time to master what you have most difficulty in. Use all the resources you can to review what you do know and improve the areas in which you are struggling. When it comes to the other things you mentioned, it all depends on what classes you're taking and what the focus is on. Also, it's only October, the school year just started. A bit early to be stressing the end of year exams, no?

[Zav]

Ah, yes, American public school. I was in high school around the time the U.S. started all the standardized testing crap. Now all the State cares about is getting the highest scores with the least money. My kid brother is being taught with textbooks from the '70s. His school has no after-school programs (except football, of course, because that's really important), the building remains in shambles and is unheated until November, and the school is notoriously drug-filled. But the State sees it as a prime example of a good high school because it scores well on the tests.

If you get kids, do them a favor and unschool them.

[MustCrushCapitalism]

I'm a sophomore and the only issue I have in school is seeing the board.