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Die Neue Zeit
12th September 2011, 02:15
http://www.codesria.org/IMG/pdf/neocosmos.pdf


I shall be commenting here on theoretical problems inherent in thinking the neo-liberal state in an African context and also concerning the relations between this state and what has come to be referred to as ‘civil society’. The dominant theme of this paper is that, in an African historical context, the liberal conception of politics, which forms the globally hegemonic discursive framework within which much of the debate on democratisation operates, and which outlines both ‘problems’ and ‘solutions’ for Africa, is authoritarian to the core. Moreover, it will be argued that both alternatives proposed by power for Africa, namely neo-liberalism and state nationalism, are founded on liberal precepts and are fundamentally authoritarian. An alternative conception of emancipatory democracy has to reject liberal thinking on the state and politics and cannot just simply ‘radicalise’ liberalism (as in eg. Mouffe 1992).

Central to liberal discourse has been a conception revolving around the idea that politics is reducible to the state or that the state is the sole legitimate domain of politics. For liberalism, ‘political society’ simply is the state. This idea has permeated so much into African political. thinking for example, that it has become difficult to conceive of an opposition political practice that is not reduced to capturing state posts or the state itself to the extent that it seems to be universally assumed that ‘politics is the state and the state is politics’ (Wamba-dia-Wamba 1994:250).

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While the state cannot substitute itself for social activities, it should not be assumed a priori either that any social institutions can be substituted for the state itself.

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The one-sidedness of a statist conception is thus not unconnected with its apparent mirror image, the tendency to analyse social relations abstracted from state activity. After all, a whole academic discipline of Western Sociology has largely been content to study society and culture while assuming their ability to reproduce themselves of their own accord, without state intervention in society—a position perhaps most clearly expressed in Durkheim’s work (at least in its structural-functionalist readings). For such a sociology, political power could easily be seen as a feature of society abstracted from institutional control, thus diluting its political character.

Recent debates and whole threads have pushed me towards referring to papers such as these, which try to grasp what politics really is. The parts in bold, I think, are yet another strike against growing political struggles out of things like mere labour disputes, and also against both "civil society" and raw syndicalist illusions in avoiding state policy altogether.

Q
12th September 2011, 03:12
Couldn't it be put even more basically and say politics is about to question how we are ruled and how we want to rule?

Die Neue Zeit
12th September 2011, 03:25
How does "to question how we are ruled" fit in with the paper's next section on "civil society," Blake's Theory thread posting Steve D'Arcy's article on "civil society strategy," and so on? :confused:

Misanthrope
12th September 2011, 03:34
Very interesting thread. I always thought of politics as the process of deciding and carrying out state policies which lead me to think, aren't social movements, class struggle and the like politics as well?

Die Neue Zeit
12th September 2011, 03:43
"Every class struggle is a political struggle." (Marx and Engels)

And note that "class struggle" /= mere labour dispute (resulting in "withdrawal of labour" at the "point of production").

Q
12th September 2011, 06:42
How does "to question how we are ruled" fit in with the paper's next section on "civil society," Blake's Theory thread posting Steve D'Arcy's article on "civil society strategy," and so on? :confused:

Alas I wasn't framing the point within any specific paper but more putting forward the whole concept of the "battle for democracy".

Nehru
12th September 2011, 07:43
How can labor/class struggle be political? Isn't it an economic problem, such as workers not being able to control production processes, and so on?

Die Neue Zeit
12th September 2011, 14:09
But workers controlling production processes at the workplace isn't genuine class struggle, though.

Desperado
12th September 2011, 20:58
But workers controlling production processes at the workplace isn't genuine class struggle, though.

Why not?

Q
12th September 2011, 21:59
Why not?

A few days ago I made a comment about it. I'll repost it with some added comment between []-brackets:



[...] "control" is a vague and slippery word here. It is, for example, very much possible to have workers control under capitalism, which in effect would mean institutionalising class collaboration as a state instrument; the state institutionally submitting the workers movement to the interests and needs of capital under the guise of "control", having a say in it.

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It also is economistic in that it denies the central objective of the battle for democracy, that is the self-emancipation of the working class, fighting for political power over their own lives [and could, instead, lead one to the conclusion that all we need to get socialism is to nationalise the economy, under workers "control", but without actually destroying the capitalist state].
I hope that made sense?

@DNZ: I notice you have a tendency lately to make a lot of statements without explaining them (in non-academic/neologic language preferably). You might want to work on this?

Die Neue Zeit
13th September 2011, 04:01
Damn. :(

I've been stalled as of late, and my exhausted attempts at summary have as a result not been so good.


Why not?

Besides what Q said, even without institutionalized class collaboration as a state instrument, workers controlling production processes at the workplaces implies parochial forms of "control." It implies "control" at the expense of other stakeholders of the finished products. It's like typical, sectional labour disputes. It isn't, at a minimum, Stakeholder Co-Management:

http://www.revleft.com/vb/workers-controli-t144527/index.html
http://www.revleft.com/vb/stakeholder-co-management-t145117/index.html


Another point of "stakeholder" is to emphasize participation by most kinds of customers and by some external stakeholders, from my wiki quote above: general public, communities, and activist groups. Neither "workers control" nor "workers self-management" do this, hence their parochialism.