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PhoenixAsh
11th September 2011, 21:55
Oklahoma state Rep. Sally Kern (R) first became infamous (http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/04/28/161912/sally-kern-blacks-dont-work-hard/) on the national stage when she said that blacks dont work as hard as white people. The Oklahoma House finally reprimanded (http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/05/03/163109/oklahoma-house-reprimands-sally-ker/) her for those statements, but Kern has yet to answer for a number of derogatory remarks (http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2011/07/28/282021/sally-kern-resisting-ex-gay-therapy-is-hateful/) shes made about gay men and women.

Now, ahead of the 10th anniversary of Sept. 11, Kern is doubling down on her claim that homosexuality poses a greater threat (http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/kern-doubles-down-claim-homosexuality-more-dangerous-terrorist-attacks) to America than terrorist attacks. In 2008, Kern said homosexuality is the biggest threat our nation has, even more so than terrorism or Islam (http://www.democracynow.org/2008/3/11/headlines#6), and called it a cancer that is spreading across America and will destroy our young people.


Now Right Wing Watch reports (http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/kern-doubles-down-claim-homosexuality-more-dangerous-terrorist-attacks) that a few days ago, she spoke with Peter LaBarbera of Americans for Truth About Homosexuality to promote her new book, The Stoning of Sally Kern. She repeated her claim that homosexuality is more dangerous than terrorist attacks because unlike terrorism, we have to deal with it every day:

KERN: Which has destroyed and ended the life of more people? Terrorism attack here in America or HIV/AIDS? In the last twenty years, fifteen to twenty years, weve had maybe three terrorist attacks on our soil with a little over 5,000 people regrettably losing their lives. In the same time frame, there have been hundreds of thousands who have died because of having AIDS. So which ones the biggest threat? And you know, every day our young peopletheyre bombarded with homosexuality is normal and natural. Its something they have to deal with every day. Fortunately we dont have to deal with a terrorist attack every day, and thats what I mean. Its more dangerous, and yes I think that its also more dangerous because it will tear down the moral fiber of this nation.
Kern went on to say that homosexuality is eroding the principles of religion and morality our nation was founded on and without virtue this nation will not survive. Perhaps not coincidentally, her words echo the rhetoric of conservatives who blamed the September 11th attacks (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-CAcdta_8I&feature=player_embedded) themselves on homosexuality in America. Its difficult to comprehend the sheer heartlessness of Kerns implication that the gay men and women who were murdered on September 11th were actually a greater threat to their country than the terrorists who killed them. Also insulting and ignorant (http://www.aidshealth.org/about-hiv-aids/hiv-aids/hivaids-myths.html) is her claim that homosexuality is solely or mostly to blame for AIDS deaths. Blaming t

But I find this particularly appaling all the time.

http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2011/09/09/315628/gop-legislator-homosexuality-is-more-dangerous-than-terrorist-attacks-because-we-have-to-deal-with-it-every-day/

PhoenixAsh
11th September 2011, 22:02
This is IMO part of an overall strategy "started" in the last decade to increasing radicalisation of views into the political mainstream. The more often people are exposed to such speech, the more mainstream it will get...and the more people will accept this as a valid political position...wether they agree with it or not.

Now...a few years ago we could laught at the extreme reactionary religious fundamentalism of the Westborouh Baptists...however they are getting heavy competition these days. And what the WBC does no longer counts a surprising...since the exact same views have now openly filtered through to the mainstream political landscape.

I am not talking about the ideas expressed her. But how they are expressed. The tactics have changed. And this is a dangerous change.

As mentioned...they will increasingly become more and more accepted if nothing is being done to counter these politicians and if nothing is done to counter them. These messages must be exposed and must be counter argued as soon as they appear.

Red Future
11th September 2011, 22:17
"increasing radicalisation of views into the political mainstream. The more often people are exposed to such speech, the more mainstream it will get...and the more people will accept this as a valid political position...wether they agree with it or not."

I have to agree ..we only need to compare the candidates of 2008 eg such as Sarah Palin and then note this steady slide to extremism among the right wing political class.Looking at the tea partys influence is important too.They brought to light nutcases like Christine O Donnell and prepared the way for more mainstream right wing such as Michelle Bachmann.Where the limit of this reactionism will go is unknown ...but as you say Its getting pretty toxic and pretty mainstream.

TheGodlessUtopian
11th September 2011, 22:18
Typical right wing bullshit....times like these I wish I had the stomach to endorse assassination.

Red Future
11th September 2011, 22:21
Typical right wing bullshit....times like these I wish I had the stomach to endorse assassination.

Interestingly(and unfortunately) this is something that could indeed come as a result of this increased craziness in the US Right.Though that would trigger a backlash.

TheGodlessUtopian
11th September 2011, 22:23
Interestingly(and unfortunately) this is something that could indeed come as a result of this increased craziness in the US Right.Though that would trigger a backlash.

Yes,it would trigger backlash.Nothing says "sectarian fighting" like a series of assassinations after all.

Le Socialiste
11th September 2011, 22:30
KERN: Which has destroyed and ended the life of more people? Terrorism attack here in America or HIV/AIDS? In the last twenty years, fifteen to twenty years, weve had maybe three terrorist attacks on our soil with a little over 5,000 people regrettably losing their lives. In the same time frame, there have been hundreds of thousands who have died because of having AIDS. So which ones the biggest threat? And you know, every day our young peopletheyre bombarded with homosexuality is normal and natural. Its something they have to deal with every day. Fortunately we dont have to deal with a terrorist attack every day, and thats what I mean. Its more dangerous, and yes I think that its also more dangerous because it will tear down the moral fiber of this nation.


There's just so many things that are wrong about her statement. So many things...

Game Girl
11th September 2011, 23:37
Kern is an ignorant, senile, old, fascist COW!

Thats all I gotta say on the subject.

Le Socialiste
11th September 2011, 23:46
Kern is an ignorant, senile, old, fascist COW!

Thats all I gotta say on the subject.

:thumbdown:

Commissar Rykov
14th September 2011, 04:30
Hide your kids, hide your wives they turnin everybody gay out here!

xub3rn00dlex
14th September 2011, 04:48
Wait... Wait, wait. Our nation has a moral fiber? :confused:

Commissar Rykov
14th September 2011, 05:07
Wait... Wait, wait. Our nation has a moral fiber? :confused:
Only if we remember to eat our fiber cereal and eat those fiber bars. America is becoming senile though so I don't expect her to remember to do that.

PhoenixAsh
15th September 2011, 01:32
"oooh noeeees....not another petition"

Yes...another petition.



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the last donut of the night
18th September 2011, 00:41
is it me or does the american political landscape is increasingly similar to weimar germany's? i don't wanna sound apocalyptic, but it's scary how much congress has gotten right-wing in the last 5 yrs

Anarchrusty
18th September 2011, 18:06
A bigger threat??? First of all, you do not just turn bi or gay. You ARE born as it. You do not choose it!
One could make a conscious decision to plant a bomb somewhere, but you don't make a decision to fall in love with someone your own sex. What an ignorant bastatrd. These are the things that really make my blood boil!

Smyg
18th September 2011, 18:57
The fuck.

tir1944
18th September 2011, 19:08
Does oppression and discrimination against LGBT persons still exist in the USA?
How widespread are these phenomena?

Smyg
18th September 2011, 19:11
LGBT rights in the United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_the_United_States).

There are very, very much discrimination against LGBT people.

Rafiq
18th September 2011, 20:38
Ha imagine if a bunch of guys decided to throw a homosexual fucking party at her house, that'd be epic!

PhoenixAsh
20th September 2011, 06:45
A bigger threat??? First of all, you do not just turn bi or gay. You ARE born as it. You do not choose it!
One could make a conscious decision to plant a bomb somewhere, but you don't make a decision to fall in love with someone your own sex. What an ignorant bastatrd. These are the things that really make my blood boil!

Well...I agree. However this has nothing to do with being born like that or not. It should be irrelevant if you are born with it or if it is a conscious choice...and lets not forget that wether or not you are born like that or not is considered irrelevant by these people as well but on an entirely different level and with a radically different conclusion.

That is because the idea is that the behaviour is considered morally corrupt and a violation of what is considered ethical behaviour. Ultimately this is based on religious views which are extrapolated from its context and projected on the larger society and enforced opn its induvidual members. Deviation of the norm, of Gods word (Leviticus), is considered a sin.

Now...there are two kinds of sins: forgivable sins and unforgivable sin. Homosexuality is not an unforgivable sin. And as such you can get redemption for it.

Which means that the whole concept of the anti-LGBTQ stance is ultimately a form of missionary work in order to "save souls" from damnation. Being born with it, wether or not that is an accepted fact, is simply considered to be a test by God.

This aspect makes it particularly hard to counter with logical and factual arguments.

The only real argument that can concievably have any kind of succes on the whole is if you can counter argue based on the word of God and the Bible. There is a multitude of quotes and sources in the Bible which state that you can not judge a fellow (hu)man...