Reminder of the victims and the terrible events of 9/11...

[Kingpin]

Never forget 9/11!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Chilean_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat

Just tragic!

On September 11th, the democratically elected
President Salvador Allende was overthrown in a coup d'état organized by the Chilean military and endorsed by the United States. A military junta led by General Augusto Pinochet took control of the government, composed of the heads of the Air Force, Navy, Carabineros (police force) and the Army. Pinochet later assumed power and ended Allende's democratically elected Popular Unity government.

During the air raids and ground attacks that preceded the coup, Allende gave his last speech, in which he vowed to stay in the presidential palace. Direct witness accounts of his death agree that he committed suicide in the palace. After the coup, Pinochet established a military dictatorship that ruled Chile until 1990; it was marked by severe human rights violations. Over 3,000 people were killed, many more were kidnapped, sent to secret prisons, and tortured for disagreeing with the dictatorship.


Absolutely horrible!


Let's take a moment to commemorate and honor the victims of 9/11.


What can we do to make sure such terrible events never take place again?

We already had one 9/11, we do not need another one to remind us that we are fighting terrorists that hate us for our freedoms, that hate our way of life, an enemy that wants to bring market hegemony to every corner of the globe regardless of the cost to us, and an enemy that hates democracy.

[Smyg]

9/11 2001 = Ca. 3000 dead, more than 6,000 injured.
9/11 1973 and the following dictatorship = Ca. 3000 known dead, thousands and yet thousands oppressed for decades.

Which one will be mourned tomorrow? Hm.

[Judicator]

The same number of people die every couple of months in the US in traffic accidents and nobody blinks.

[Jimmie Higgins]

The same number of people die every couple of months in the US in traffic accidents and nobody blinks.Are you saying that the Nixon Administration and South American business interests and the Chilean military conspire to crash cars in the US? Or are you talking about the other 9/11 and saying Bin Lauden causes car crashes?

These crazy conspiracy theorists:lol:

[Kamos]

Yeah, this is a 9/11 I wouldn't mind commemorating. I'm fed up with the other one.

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

Those people have been used to justify so much war in the last 10 years, truly disgusting.

edit-- by those people I mean the americans who died on 9-11. One can at least know that in Chile there was a change after years of brutality, but for the al Qaeda attacks I'm not so sure.

[La Comédie Noire]

9/11 was pretty fuckin horrible though, no joke.

gUhGVpP8hCw

I really don't see the point of this thread.

[Judicator]

Are you saying that the Nixon Administration and South American business interests and the Chilean military conspire to crash cars in the US? Or are you talking about the other 9/11 and saying Bin Lauden causes car crashes?

These crazy conspiracy theorists:lol:

Neither, just that there's unwarranted focus on deaths which are sudden and surprising, compared to "routine" deaths.

[Le Socialiste]

I work as a technical assistant/director/powerpoint guy for this one church near where I live every Sunday. I usually can't stand it, but they pay me and I need the cash. I say this because I just know tomorrow's service will be filled with patriotic chest thumping and xenophobic comments about the outside world and America's role in it. These people's deaths have been used countless times as justification for thousands - if not millions - more since those planes hit the towers. And the people, for the most part, eat it up. Hook, line, and sinker. While I will always mourn the loss of life, I'm not going to blindly give myself to the nationalistic character of this day. I'm sick of it, just sick of it.

[Jimmie Higgins]

Neither, just that there's unwarranted focus on deaths which are sudden and surprising, compared to "routine" deaths.So you see a sudden unexplained illness related death as being the same as a murder?

[Judicator]

So you see a sudden unexplained illness related death as being the same as a murder?

They're certainly both equally bad for the victims. Why should we mourn murder victims more than drowning victims?

[Jimmie Higgins]

They're certainly both equally bad for the victims. Why should we mourn murder victims more than drowning victims?Pre-meditated murder like flying a plane into a building full of people or using drone planes to drop bombs on a community is no less terrible than a plane crashing due to mechanical failure for the people involved, but they are hardly the same thing as one is the result of a failure that may or may not be corrected in the future and the others are the result of planned attacks.

[Judicator]

Pre-meditated murder like flying a plane into a building full of people or using drone planes to drop bombs on a community is no less terrible than a plane crashing due to mechanical failure for the people involved, but they are hardly the same thing as one is the result of a failure that may or may not be corrected in the future and the others are the result of planned attacks.

Nobody said they were the same thing. I just think the loss of life/tragedy is overemphasized when people die in a certain way.

[Jimmie Higgins]

Nobody said they were the same thing. I just think the loss of life/tragedy is overemphasized when people die in a certain way.I honestly don't care when people make a fuss about an unusual tragedy or event... if people are shocked by something, this is usually the result. I only care that the US government capitalized on and used the World Trade Center deaths for a power grab.


Lemann wrote that Condoleezza Rice told him that she had called together senior staff of the NSC and asked them “to think about `how do you capitalise on these opportunities' to fundamentally change American doctrine, and shape the world, in the wake of September 11. `I really think this period is analogous to 1945 to 1947 in that the events so clearly demonstrated that there is a big global threat that has started shifting the tectonic plates in international politics. And it's important to try to seize on that and position American interests and institutions and all that before they harden again.” (http://links.org.au/node/402)

[Judicator]

I honestly don't care when people make a fuss about an unusual tragedy or event... if people are shocked by something, this is usually the result. I only care that the US government capitalized on and used the World Trade Center deaths for a power grab.

The primary reason you can use it for a power grab is because people make a fuss.

[Nox]

nvm

[Drosophila]

And how many innocent people died on that day? Not trying to undermine the 1973 coup, but seriously...

[Jimmie Higgins]

The primary reason you can use it for a power grab is because people make a fuss.People make a fuss about an upset on American Idol and many unexpected or shocking things, but that is not the cause of someone taking advantage of the situation!

There are real shocks and there are manufactured hysteria like about the debt ceiling or Bush/Obama's claims that without a bank bailout we'd all be making houses out of sod and hay. I think it's perfectly understandable that people make a fuss over the attack on the world trade center or the Katrina flooding etc - the subjective variable is how people respond to it or try and take advantage of it.

Wow, in general, I can't believe how cynical and uncaring your attitude in many posts have been. It's an argument for winning you to humanism, socialism, and democracy... you'll be a much more optimistic and empathetic person because of it :)

[Le Rouge]

9/11 was pretty fuckin horrible though, no joke.

gUhGVpP8hCw

I really don't see the point of this thread.

the most horrible video i watched in my life.

[La Comédie Noire]

Yeah what I like about it is it doesn't need dramatic presentation or sappy music to evoke emotion, it's just raw, unedited human suffering that shows while it was exploited for sinister purposes it was still a tragedy.

[RGacky3]

The primary reason you can use it for a power grab is because people make a fuss.

Its becaues people are afraid.

[Battlecat]

http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/09/20119775453842191.html

An article Noam Chomsky wrote not long ago for Al Jazeera, which touches on this exact topic