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Hexen
10th September 2011, 13:03
I've been recently arguing with a christian on DeviantArt which may have been a waste of my time but he really said some stupid shit check this out.

http://veil-coil.deviantart.com/art/Capitalism-Murder-64831478

scroll down to the comments which has me and him arguing (I'm Xlavoc BTW ) and here's the full transcript....



How in the world can capitalism kill? Surely you realize that communism kills (USSR), fascism kills (Nazi Germany), but capitalism?

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I am a Christian and a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (AKA, the Mormon Church). Mutual respect, regardless of diversity of beliefs, is inherently mature and intelligent, so let's be civil to each other. https://s.deviantart.com/emoticons/s/smile.gif

I detest redundancy.


Your signature displays your ignorance. Capitalism kills millions of people a day with poverty, imperialism (The "wars" in Iraq, Afghanistan being prime examples) and such. Also Communism never existed (The USSR were never "Communists" but they were also capitalists since they had a class society) and Nazism IS capitalism as the picture in question is trying to point out (i.e. Fascism).



"Your signature displays your ignorance. Capitalism..."
My signature doesn't say anything about capitalism. http://e.deviantart.net/emoticons/g/giggle.gif What about my signature is ignorant to you?

"...kills millions of people a day with poverty, imperialism (The "wars" in Iraq, Afghanistan being prime examples) and such. Also Communism never existed (The USSR were never "Communists" but they were also capitalists since they had a class society) and Nazism IS capitalism as the picture in question is trying to point out (i.e. Fascism)."
Yeah, good luck trying to convince any educated Americans of that. http://e.deviantart.net/emoticons/w/wink.gif


The fact your a christian which is a clear sign that I may be wasting my time even speaking to you.

"Yeah, good luck trying to convince any educated Americans of that."

What "educated" Americans? I think the reality is quite vice versa since most Americans (actually called "USians" to be more accurate which "America" is a entire continent and USians claiming their "Americans" pretty much says about their imperialist attitude in a nutshell) are either uneducated or spoon fed 80 years of propaganda (The Red Scare, McCarthyism, Cold War, etc) which the latter is most likely.


"The fact your a christian which is a clear sign that I may be wasting my time even speaking to you."
I'm wasting my time talking to someone who's under the lie of stereotypes. http://e.deviantart.net/emoticons/n/no.gif

"Yeah, good luck trying to convince any educated Americans of that."

"What "educated" Americans? I think the reality is quite vice versa since most Americans (actually called "USians" to be more accurate which "America" is a entire continent and USians claiming their "Americans" pretty much says about their imperialist attitude in a nutshell)"
USians? http://e.deviantart.net/emoticons/g/giggle.gif If you want to refer to someone of North America, then call them North Americans. If you want to refer to someone of South America, then call them South Americans. If you want to refer to someone from Central America, then call them South Americans. The USA is the only country in the world with the term "America" in their name, so we call ourselves Americans.

"...are either uneducated or spoon fed 80 years of propaganda (The Red Scare, McCarthyism, Cold War, etc) which the latter is most likely."
Let's just stop right here, right now. I've talked to communists, (and) people like you. You will pretty much never differ from your views, because you grew up and/or have accepted all these things against America. America is the country where God restored His Church... there's gotta be intense opposition against it.

But I'm serious: let's just stop here. You're not going to convince me, nor am I going to convince you.

How should I properly respond to this person or maybe I'm wasting my time with him?

Demogorgon
10th September 2011, 13:25
You would have done well not to have made a personal attack over his religion, but as you can't take that back, the line of attack is the following:

"How in the world can capitalism kill? Surely you realize that communism kills (USSR), fascism kills (Nazi Germany), but capitalism?How in the world can capitalism kill? Surely you realize that communism kills (USSR), fascism kills (Nazi Germany), but capitalism?"

Nazi Germany was capitalist, the point that capitalism can kill is made in the same sentence that argues against it.

The Stalinator
10th September 2011, 13:33
He thinks America is some sacred fucking territory of God, there's absolutely no point in arguing him, he'll keep pushing that bullshit over and over.

I suppose though that you could mention it's very un-Christian of him to support a system of inevitable inequality that ignores poverty and starts countless wars for the sake of greed.

Aussie_Leftist
10th September 2011, 13:44
basically all of the european empires were capitalist and look at suffering they caused across the world. EG the british empire.

Misanthrope
10th September 2011, 15:09
Yeah, good luck trying to convince any educated Americans of that.

This is where I stopped reading... but...


"The fact your a christian which is a clear sign that I may be wasting my time even speaking to you. LOL, dude. This will get you no where, if you really want to make this guy look stupid, don't just call him a dumb christian, leave religion out. Also, you can't prove Americans are stupid, it's rather an opinion. Prove, using credible sources ( Google The Stalin Society), that the death tolls reported on Maoist China and Red Russia are completely exaggerated, if not false.

I actually have this same debate, on the Soviet Union against a Christian right winger... ON FACEBOOK. Good luck, don't smash your keyboard out of frustration lol.


America is the country where God restored His Church... there's gotta be intense opposition against it.

Lol, what is he? A Puritan? For fuck's sake.