The Rich/Wealthy and Powerful Capitalists and the Bourgeoisie ?

[tradeunionsupporter]

The Rich/Wealthy and Powerful Capitalists and the Bourgeoisie under Capitalism have ways to cheat and avoid Taxes with their Tax Loopholes and they hide their Wealth in Swiss Banks and their Lobbying my question is would this never happen under Socialism ?


Published on Sunday, February 18, 2001 in the Boston Globe (http://www.boston.com/globe)
The Power of Money
by Robert Kuttner


http://www.commondreams.org/views01/0218-09.htm

[thefinalmarch]

It would never happen in a socialist or communist society*, because the bourgeoisie and capitalism do not exist - neither does money or even a state to tax people.


*not that they are any different in terms of modes of production

[RGacky3]

You won't be dependant on taxes, the industries would be socially controlled ...

[tradeunionsupporter]

The Democrats claim to support a Progressive Income Tax I think the Rich/Wealthy don't pay much in Taxes even if their Income Tax Rates are raised they have Tax Loopholes Trusts and Foundations and Hidden Offshore Swiss Bank Accounts ?

IRS wants millions hidden in Swiss accounts

June 30, 2008|From Terry Frieden CNN Justice Producer

http://articles.cnn.com/2008-06-30/us/i ... t?_s=PM:US (http://articles.cnn.com/2008-06-30/us/irs.swiss.accounts_1_swiss-accounts-irs-commissioner-doug-shulman-swiss-government?_s=PM:US)

[Comrade Anarchist]

Well actually yes it would happen under socialism, because as history shows us within a socialist system an elite always rises up. I know that history is subjective to this forum, but well not a single socialist system hasn't been an oligarchy masquerading as a people's republic. So the wealthy under socialism would be better off than now because instead of having to lobby political leaders, they would in fact the political leaders. And if anyone questions them then they can just imprison or kill them, like every other socialist system has done to detractors.

So lets instead of going all state go no state so therefore there are no taxes for anyone to dodge.

[Aussie_Leftist]

what we have now is a democratically elected government that is in large part controlled by big business, basically meaning that the democratic part means sfa.

if the government controlled business, then the people would have democratic have control over it, and so have complete control over the government. if the businesses mess up after that it would be up to the people to vote the ruling party out of government.

[eyedrop]

You won't be dependant on taxes, the industries would be socially controlled ...

And make the economies/politics of institutions, workplaces and such transparent.

Good luck on pilfering away significant money then.


Well actually yes it would happen under socialism, because as history shows us within a socialist system an elite always rises up. I know that history is subjective to this forum, but well not a single socialist system hasn't been an oligarchy masquerading as a people's republic. So the wealthy under socialism would be better off than now because instead of having to lobby political leaders, they would in fact the political leaders. And if anyone questions them then they can just imprison or kill them, like every other socialist system has done to detractors.

So lets instead of going all state go no state so therefore there are no taxes for anyone to dodge.
Aside from living in wastly different material conditions, from the old russians, could it be possible that most of us actually have differing tactics from them?

Not to mention that a just as common outcome from attempting to implement socialism is welfare capitalism.

[RGacky3]

And make the economies/politics of institutions, workplaces and such transparent.

Good luck on pilfering away significant money then.

Yeah, economics and policics should be transparent, and I don't get why that would be wasteful?

[eyedrop]

Yeah, economics and policics should be transparent, and I don't get why that would be wasteful?

That was meant more as a supplement to your post.

As for the inefficiency of socialism, everyone that has spent more than 15 minutes at any workplace knows that capitalism is incredible wasteful. It's not like socialism has to compete with Bjørn Dælhie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bj%C3%B8rn_D%C3%A6hlie), it has to compete with an old, first time, cross country skier with a sprained knee.

[ВАЛТЕР]

Nationalize the corporations, nationalize the banks, strip the CEO's of their power and money, if they resist or flee imprison them, imprison the lobbyists...

Just take these few steps and you can pretty much gaurantee a way out of the debt crisis, wars, and most social problems in the US within a decade or two....

After which, more reform can then take place....

No running an hiding their money anywhere, and no dodging taxes through loopholes.

But, I dream. The US is a tough nut to crack when it comes to aspects of revolutionary change...

[Misanthrope]

Well actually yes it would happen under socialism, because as history shows us within a socialist system an elite always rises up. I know that history is subjective to this forum, but well not a single socialist system hasn't been an oligarchy masquerading as a people's republic.

Where has socialism ever existed? I.e. complete worker control of the means of production. All emergent societies since capitalism's becoming are dominated by a small percentage of the population; the rich using the state to protect their interests.






So the wealthy under socialism would be better off than now because instead of having to lobby political leaders, they would in fact the political leaders. And if anyone questions them then they can just imprison or kill them, like every other socialist system has done to detractors.

Examples?

Speaking of killing enemies, America and other capitalist countries past and present do a great job of that. Imperialism is alive today, how many wars has capitalism started? How many wars has "socialism/communism" (you're twisted definition) started?

Why are you posting on a leftist forum when you have no idea what leftism is?



So lets instead of going all state go no state so therefore there are no taxes for anyone to dodge.

What do you think us REVOLUTIONARY LEFTISTS are advocating? statelessness and classlessness, communism.