Do you consider this child abuse? And should the worker be indicted?

[Le Libérer]

I was wondering with the different cultural differences represented on revleft, do you consider this child abuse? And why?
http://www.ksla.com/story/15375876/mineola-daycare-worker-indicted-on-injury-to-a-child?autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=6212057#.TmeNmivOrUc.facebook&autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=6212057

[El Louton]

Sorry mate, I can't really see the video, poor quality.

[Column No.4]

Nope, back in the day i saw children act like that all the time and the parent always handled it in the same manner. I think the reason its a problem now is because too many parents are on this "treat the child as an equal" bandwagon, even when a wild monkey is better behaved.

[Zukunftsmusik]

I'm not sure where thelimits go between child abuse and just treating a child badly. Perhaps this isn't child abuse, but it certainly isn't the way to treat a child. You won't keep a child from bad behaviour by throwing it around violently and pull it up by its arms. How the heck would the child learn anything from that?

[Tim Cornelis]

No, just no.

[Nox]

Why can't parents understand that physical punishment to a child solves nothing.

[Le Libérer]

I posted this on my personal blog the comments have hit the roof. I'm not sure this woman should go to jail, I didnt see her assaulting the child.

Physically: In the beginning I think she handled it correctly because she picked up the child under both arms, removed him from the other children, spoke to him, and let him back down. It gets ugly when she approaches the child and scoops him up by his arm. She could have caused great injury to the child by doing that. And it was probably painful for the child.

Emotionally: The child is obviously emotionally traumatized and is reacting. Legally, this isnt considered assault nor can it be tried as abuse in a court of law (In my state)

So While I think she was very inappropriate in her actions and shouldnt work with children obviously, and should be fired, she shouldnt face criminal charges over this incident.

[Column No.4]

Why can't parents understand that physical punishment to a child solves nothing.

And verbal punishment achieves more?

[StoneFrog]

Why can't parents understand that physical punishment to a child solves nothing.

Solves the problem all parents seem to have, how do i mentally scar my child. :rolleyes:

TBH i didn't see anything wrong, she never hit him; maybe was a bit rough but not to the level of child abuse.

[Column No.4]

Solves the problem all parents seem to have, how do i mentally scar my child. :rolleyes:

TBH i didn't see anything wrong, she never hit him; maybe was a bit rough but not to the level of child abuse.

The only thing that ever scarred me was being picked on in school. Physical punishment is easy, mental punishment is hard.

[Nox]

And verbal punishment achieves more?

Hell yes.

All hitting a child does is teach that child that they can hit someone when that person does something wrong.

Not to mention the number of children that die because of beatings from their parents.

What kind of mentally deranged person would strike their child?

[Column No.4]

Hell yes.

All hitting a child does is teach that child that they can hit someone when that person does something wrong.

Not to mention the number of children that die because of beatings from their parents.

What kind of mentally deranged person would strike their child?

Theres entire generations that were spanked, whipped, etc. during their childhood and theyre perfectly fine and if the child dies then the physical punishment isnt the problem its the parents serious lack of self control. I wouldnt hesitate to swat my kid, im more and more for physical punishment the more and more i see how badly behaved the current generation is.

[Zukunftsmusik]

t the more and more i see how badly behaved the current generation is.

oh, that's sooo 400 BC.

Why do you think the current generation behave badly? because of some genetically related problems? Why didn't your generation behave badly? Why would hitting your child help on his/hers behaviour?

Bad behaviour among youth and children has apparently been a problem since socrates' time (and probably before that). The point is; did you and your generation behave better? Or is it just easier to say that children you see today behave badly because you've grown up and learnt more since you were a child? And is bad behaviour an excuse for hitting your children, seriously?

[Column No.4]

oh, that's sooo 400 BC.

Why do you think the current generation behave badly? because of some genetically related problems? Why didn't your generation behave badly? Why would hitting your child help on his/hers behaviour?

Bad behaviour among youth and children has apparently been a problem since socrates' time (and probably before that). The point is; did you and your generation behave better? Or is it just easier to say that children you see today behave badly because you've grown up and learnt more since you were a child? And is bad behaviour an excuse for hitting your children, seriously?

My generation still recieved spankings, whippings, etc., this current generation doesnt because of this new wave of negotiating with your child.

[Kornilios Sunshine]

Seriously, any parent who beats their child needs to be fucked up so hard that he/she won't even speak again.It is the biggest crime of violence, plus that after the child gets hit, it becomes more violent in his life.Don't see any reason for someone to hit his child.

[Zukunftsmusik]

My generation still recieved spankings, whippings, etc., this current generation doesnt because of this new wave of negotiating with your child.

So you behave(d) better because you got hit as a child?

It's quite common to use f.x. electric shocks on dogs to teach them not to chase sheep etc. The dog learns that, "if I chase a sheep, it will be painful to me". Dogs aren't children, or rather, children aren't dogs, but this example is, I would say, the same as hitting your children. The child would learn that, "If I yell at my parents, they will hit me, which is painful". They will learn not to do things out of fear, not out of what's good sense er not.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

Parents individually and separately should not raise children in the first place, collective child-rearing is the ideal.

I do like this, I think we can call it a form of evidence for the argument:


Hell yes.

All hitting a child does is teach that child that they can hit someone when that person does something wrong.


True. And evidence:


Theres entire generations that were spanked, whipped, etc. during their childhood and theyre perfectly fine and if the child dies then the physical punishment isnt the problem its the parents serious lack of self control. I wouldnt hesitate to swat my kid, im more and more for physical punishment the more and more i see how badly behaved the current generation is.

Because he was hit, or sees himself as belonging to a generation that was, and almost deifying them for this, he would himself not doubt a second to swat his kid. I hope you don't get children, Column.

What makes you think the lack of violence has anything to do with the - alleged - increase in this delinquency you reject, which I'd argue is far from being something new and secondly a reflection of worsening social conditions and so on so forth.

[Column No.4]

So you behave(d) better because you got hit as a child?

It's quite common to use f.x. electric shocks on dogs to teach them not to chase sheep etc. The dog learns that, "if I chase a sheep, it will be painful to me". Dogs aren't children, or rather, children aren't dogs, but this example is, I would say, the same as hitting your children. The child would learn that, "If I yell at my parents, they will hit me, which is painful". They will learn not to do things out of fear, not out of what's good sense er not.

My old mans generation is prodimantly well behaved, my generation is only slightly worse than my old mans, the current generation is out of control. Ive seen some of the worst public behavior from the current generation, equivalent to that of the wannabe gangsters of my generation.

[#FF0000]

My generation still recieved spankings, whippings, etc., this current generation doesnt because of this new wave of negotiating with your child.

I don't know about "negotiating with your child" but physical punishment is thoroughly unnecessary.

Especially since punishment is probably the least helpful thing when it comes to modeling behavior.

But hey what do psychologists and people who actually study behavior know. You're from the "good ol days"

[Zukunftsmusik]

My old mans generation is prodimantly well behaved, my generation is only slightly worse than my old mans, the current generation is out of control. Ive seen some of the worst public behavior from the current generation, equivalent to that of the wannabe gangsters of my generation.

I hardly see how this is linked to violence towards children. And you didn't really answer fully, nor comment the rest of my reply.

[Column No.4]

Parents individually and separately should not raise children in the first place, collective child-rearing is the ideal.

Wrong, all that does is establish a parent the child knows will let them get away with more as opposed to the other parent. Two parents rarely punish on an equal level.



Because he was hit, or sees himself as belonging to a generation that was, and almost deifying them for this, he would himself not doubt a second to swat his kid. I hope you don't get children, Column.

What makes you think the lack of violence has anything to do with the - alleged - increase in this delinquency you reject, which I'd argue is far from being something new and secondly a reflection of worsening social conditions and so on so forth.

Whats the one thing lacking from the current generation that wasnt lacking from mine, the spanking, whipping, etc.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

My old mans generation is prodimantly well behaved, my generation is only slightly worse than my old mans, the current generation is out of control. Ive seen some of the worst public behavior from the current generation, equivalent to that of the wannabe gangsters of my generation.

You didn't see your "old man's" generation when they were fifteen years old, and you totally ignore the social contexts in making this judgement. The youth delinquency and crime of the late 1800's was much worse than today, murders here and there, countless muggings, exactly because of the dreadful social conditions that prevailed. And as can be expected we see then the rise of such anew in areas where social conditions decay, although it is by and large massively exaggerated by media frenzies with little connection to reality.


Wrong, all that does is establish a parent the child knows will let them get away with more as opposed to the other parent. Two parents rarely punish on an equal level.

Whats the one thing lacking from the current generation that wasnt lacking from mine, the spanking, whipping, etc.

I did not mean two parents. I meant that all child rearing should be done collectively by numerous people; it should neither be a question of individual or of family decision, but of societal decisions and strategies. A crazy nut should not be allowed to punish her/his own children because he/she thinks it is right for its own children and think that society should have no say in how it goes about doing it.

As for that last part, not even worth a reply.

[Column No.4]

I don't know about "negotiating with your child" but physical punishment is thoroughly unnecessary.

Especially since punishment is probably the least helpful thing when it comes to modeling behavior.

But hey what do psychologists and people who actually study behavior know. You're from the "good ol days"

Ok so how do you intend to keep your child from running amock, baiting them to their room with M&Ms?

[Astarte]

I would say it is absolutely physical abuse. Look at how she flings the kid around - and then at the end of the video practically drags him out of the room by one arm - you can see the kids legs trying to keep his footing and walk at the same time as he's bumping into things like heating vents - not only is it physically abusive to the kid being flung around/dragged but its also probably a little uncomfortable to the other kids watching the whole scene.

I my opinion the institution of childcare under capitalism is absurd - capitalism creates conditions where parents can't even raise their own kids, thus they leave them with people who really don't care about them and are only on the scene to make a low wage to try to make ends meet.

[Column No.4]

I hardly see how this is linked to violence towards children. And you didn't really answer fully, nor comment the rest of my reply.

Well i never supported utilizing shock collars on children so i dont see the need to address that particular part of your post.

[#FF0000]

Ok so how do you intend to keep your child from running amock, baiting them to their room with M&Ms?

Time out, son. No TV no computers nothin but books. That's one way, anyway.

Wait you really don't think there's any other kind of punishment than corporal, do you?

[Column No.4]

You didn't see your "old man's" generation when they were fifteen years old, and you totally ignore the social contexts in making this judgement. The youth delinquency and crime of the late 1800's was much worse than today, murders here and there, countless muggings, exactly because of the dreadful social conditions that prevailed. And as can be expected we see then the rise of such anew in areas where social conditions decay, although it is by and large massively exaggerated by media frenzies with little connection to reality.

Well i dont know about you but i converse with my old man all the time about generation comparisons. I dont even know if i want to dignify your ridiculous reference to the 1800s or not.




I did not mean two parents. I meant that all child rearing should be done collectively by numerous people; it should neither be a question of individual or of family decision, but of societal decisions and strategies. A crazy nut should not be allowed to punish her/his own children because he/she thinks it is right for its own children and think that society should have no say in how it goes about doing it.

As for that last part, not even worth a reply.

I dont think anyone will argue against the fact that both parents need to be involved in the rearing process.

[Column No.4]

Time out, son. No TV no computers nothin but books. That's one way, anyway.

Wait you really don't think there's any other kind of punishment than corporal, do you?

But isnt that mental abuse, you could be scarring the child?

[#FF0000]

But isnt that mental abuse, you could be scarring the child?

Nope. It's definitely unpleasant but no putting a kid in time out with nothing but books to read is not scarring the same way beating a kid is. I'm not talking about solitary confinement, here.

But if you're relying on punishment as the main way of modeling behavior, you're fucking up anyway.

[StoneFrog]

The only thing that ever scarred me was being picked on in school. Physical punishment is easy, mental punishment is hard.


If i had a partner with an STD, and she knew it, and she infected me theyd be fishing her out of the bottom of a lake.

Sounds like it, no sign of over aggression and thoughts of excess violence. Then theres the whole joining a imperialist force thing...

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

Well i dont know about you but i converse with my old man all the time about generation comparisons. I dont even know if i want to dignify your ridiculous reference to the 1800s or not.


"You know son, when I was your age the worst we did was steal old man Ludwinkle's firecrackers he had stored in a chest in his barn. We took them and ran out to the woods and fired 'em off in the shadows of the trees in the evening sun, ah, such memories."
"Tell me more about how bad the kids are today!"
"Damn kids today, they dun' show no respect to their elders, always acting all uppity! We're their seniors, they should show us some respect! And what about that music they play, that head-ache inducing rock-and-roll jazz stuff, damn that devil's music! Satan's ploys! They just go around hurting and stealing and show nooo respect, but it's definitely not the result of capitalism' hardening the relations between people or worsening social conditions, it's because there's no spanking any more!"

[Column No.4]

Sounds like it, no sign of over aggression and thoughts of excess violence. Then theres the whole joining a imperialist force thing...

Nice way of taking things out of context, bravo.

[Column No.4]

"You know son, when I was your age the worst we did was steel old man Ludwinkle's firecrackers he had stored in a chest in his barn. We took them and ran out to the woods and fired 'em off in the shadows of the trees in the evening sun, ah, such memories."
"Tell me more about how bad the kids are today!"
"Damn kids today, they dun' show no respect to their elders, always acting all uppity! We're their seniors, they should show us some respect! And what about that music they play, that head-ache inducing rock-and-roll jazz stuff, damn that devil's music! Satan's ploys! They just go around hurting and stealing and show nooo respect, but it's definitely not the result of capitalism' hardening the relations between people or worsening social conditions, it's because there's no spanking any more!"

Wow, just blame the faults of every idividual on Capitalism.

[A Revolutionary Tool]

Wow that's crazy, if my daycare lady ever treated me like that there would be hell from my mom, she's the only lady who's allowed to do that to me.

But yeah it seems like she's being pretty rough on the kid, I wonder what happened after she got out of the camera's view :(

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

Wow, just blame the faults of every idividual on Capitalism.

Apart from certain mental morbidities which arise to some extent from other factors, such as genetic and so on, the social context is the main contributing factor, and capitalism forms the major road-block to progress in this area and its inherent inequalities and workings support and perpetuate inconsideration and abuse on countless levels; it forms the backdrop for things like environment, surroundings and the parents decisions and the upbringing a child gets. I'm not saying it is simple, you are; you say it is the result of people just not being hit enough. How can you find the capitalist system and peripherally related things more silly than that it is the result of a lack of violence?

[Zukunftsmusik]

Well i never supported utilizing shock collars on children so i dont see the need to address that particular part of your post.

The comparison was just to show the logic of violence, not the logic of shock collars.

[Column No.4]

Apart from certain mental morbidities which arise to some extent from other factors, such as genetic and so on, the social context is the main contributing factor, and capitalism forms the major road-block to progress in this area and its inherent inequalities and workings support and perpetuate inconsideration and abuse on countless levels; it forms the backdrop for things like environment, surroundings and the parents decisions and the upbringing a child gets. I'm not saying it is simple, you are; you say it is the result of people just not being hit enough. How can you find the capitalist system and peripherally related things more silly than that it is the result of a lack of violence?

Capitalism definately plays a part in the way people act in regards to things like theft of food, squatting and some instances of drug dealing, but definately not when it comes to ones individual decision.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

Capitalism definately plays a part in the way people act in regards to things like theft of food, squatting and some instances of drug dealing, but definately not when it comes to ones individual decision.

Why does it not? What invisible barrier stops this? Capitalism, like feudalism and others before it, permeates and forms the backdrop for most of society. Individuals do not exist outside of their social context. They are not in separate universes.

[El Louton]

Just thought I'd tell you the video didn't work for me. Might help?

[KevlarPants]

I like how, when she turns around, her ass gets blurred out. Oh, fat people.

Escaping ass-cracks aside, I don't really think that qualifies as abuse. It was just shitty treatment, which Is still a pretty disgusting thing to do for a daycare center person. There's little information on what the child actually did. As far as we know the kid was just being noisy and she decided that slamming him into a table, flailing him around wildly and violently shaking her fat jowls while incoherently screaming at him was a good idea. But the kid could've broken something, or beaten a colleague. Still, being like that is wrong. At least without trying to talk to the kid first.

Parents should be the only people with the right to discipline their child. I know from experience that there's nothing worse for a little kids than having a stranger screaming at them.

[Rafiq]

Theres entire generations that were spanked, whipped, etc. during their childhood and theyre perfectly fine and if the child dies then the physical punishment isnt the problem its the parents serious lack of self control. I wouldnt hesitate to swat my kid, im more and more for physical punishment the more and more i see how badly behaved the current generation is.



Scum like you piss me the fuck off. Take you're moral bullshit to church and shove them up your Ass.

I hope parents like you die slowly and painfully. Beaten, raped, and abused children should have the right to find ways to beat their parents back, or kill them it necessary.

Dearborn, all the Arab kids are beaten from birth. Yet fordson high school has the biggest drug problem in the area!

[Nox]

Theres entire generations that were spanked, whipped, etc. during their childhood and theyre perfectly fine and if the child dies then the physical punishment isnt the problem its the parents serious lack of self control. I wouldnt hesitate to swat my kid, im more and more for physical punishment the more and more i see how badly behaved the current generation is.

That's what I'm trying to say!!!

Using bad behaviour as an excuse for physical punishment makes no sense, because physical punishment doesnt stop bad behaviour in the long term.

[Column No.4]

Why does it not? What invisible barrier stops this? Capitalism, like feudalism and others before it, permeates and forms the backdrop for most of society. Individuals do not exist outside of their social context. They are not in separate universes.

Capitalism doesnt make me break a window or beat someone up simply for amusement.

[Column No.4]

Scum like you piss me the fuck off. Take you're moral bullshit to church and shove them up your Ass.

I hope parents like you die slowly and painfully. Beaten, raped, and abused children should have the right to find ways to beat their parents back, or kill them it necessary.

Dearborn, all the Arab kids are beaten from birth. Yet fordson high school has the biggest drug problem in the area!

Yay, more vicious personal attacks!

[Column No.4]

That's what I'm trying to say!!!

Using bad behaviour as an excuse for physical punishment makes no sense, because physical punishment doesnt stop bad behaviour in the long term.

Thats like saying when you stick your finger in the outlet and it shocks you that it doesnt deter you from doing it again.

[#FF0000]

Thats like saying when you stick your finger in the outlet and it shocks you that it doesnt deter you from doing it again.

That's different. A shock from the outlet is a natural consequence. Punishment is something that is inflicted on you.

I mean I just don't know what to tell you. You seem to want to believe that physical punishment works and has no ill effects but almost the entire psychiatric, medical, and pediatric community disagrees with you.

[Column No.4]

That's different. A shock from the outlet is a natural consequence. Punishment is something that is inflicted on you.

I mean I just don't know what to tell you. You seem to want to believe that physical punishment works and has no ill effects but almost the entire psychiatric, medical, and pediatric community disagrees with you.

I dont believe beating your child works but spanking, whipping, etc. has done alright. I treat the psychiatric, medical and pediatric community like i treat any other community, questionable. Too many of these communities announce a finding only to retract it a year or so later due to new discoveries. As far as im concerned youre free to raise your child how you like, just dont do so in a manner that raises them to jump me for fun while im walking my dog one evening, mainly because im armed and wont hesitate to defend myself.

[Rafiq]

Yay, more vicious personal attacks!

Good, now gtfo of this site

[Column No.4]

Good, now gtfo of this site

Another one to add to the list.

[brigadista]

we dont know the context of this video- How many adults to children in that nursery? also how long had that little boy been attending the nursery- all that aside

think about if the woman was a man and the child a woman - would reactions be different?

that poor kid was very small in comparison to the adult woman - he must have been terrified and she was not his parent - but even a parent shouldn't do this

I think it is child abuse but prosecuting the woman is not the answer - someone should show her the effect of her behaviour towards the child so that she can understand how harmful her behaviour was towards him.

We don't know about her working conditions or what training she had to do the job -

the behaviour is wrong not the person. No doubt she was paid a low wage

however i think the kid will be effected for a long time by that incident - he was really young . I found it hard to watch.

I was regularly beaten at school by large adults and no it didnt do me any good - all us kids would just end up hitting each other down the line so the whole environment in which we were supposed to learn was full of fear and violence - i was a very angry teenager...

its a terrible thing that workers have to leave their kids in nurseries like this and that the people working in the nurseries arent trained or paid enough-worse that the kids have no control over any of it

[Rafiq]

Another one to add to the list.

Dude, go back to the liberal hole you came from (Gahndi's arse)

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

Capitalism doesnt make me break a window or beat someone up simply for amusement.

It seems you are either intentionally thick or genuinely unable to understand it, however, it also betrays your political idiocy, that is to say your naïve and absurd position that somehow individual actions stem from nowhere in some sort of a vacuum brought on by the lack of child abuse as opposed to as a result of complex interaction between internal and outside factors, including capitalist realities and the social contexts. Why is crime higher in lower income areas? Is it because the poor parents are the most bad at hitting their children? Since social context and conditions don't affect anything I mean...

[Luís Henrique]

Seriously, any parent who beats their child needs to be fucked up so hard that he/she won't even speak again.

I suppose you don't see the contradiction here?

Luís Henrique

[PhoenixAsh]

Wrong, all that does is establish a parent the child knows will let them get away with more as opposed to the other parent. Two parents rarely punish on an equal level.

Whats the one thing lacking from the current generation that wasnt lacking from mine, the spanking, whipping, etc.

I have no idea what your generation is...but my generation lacked spanking and turned out fine. If your generation is anywhere close to mine and the only thing keeping you kids straight was spanking you need to take a long hard and very critical look on your society and how that society turns out parents. Because that is the then the real issue. If parents need to turn to violence they have failed as parents...and every reasonable parent knows that they made a grave error when they did.


And on a more personal note...since you were so kind as to use yourself as an argument by using yoruself as an example for how kids who were beaten and whipped turned out fine...I now get to analyse this argument you brought foreward. So no...this is not a personal attack. It is infact a counter argument to your argument....

I would hardly argue you turned out fine. You glorify the legion and their camaraderie and bortherhood. You have a predisposition to violence and are instinctively drawn to it. you openly advocate this even. You are...by now after havig read a lot of your posts...trolling an internet forum craving attention. That is not the hallmark of a healthy stable adult...

[#FF0000]

I dont believe beating your child works but spanking, whipping, etc. has done alright. I treat the psychiatric, medical and pediatric community like i treat any other community, questionable. Too many of these communities announce a finding only to retract it a year or so later due to new discoveries.

That tends to happen in communities that are all about the whole science thing.

[xub3rn00dlex]

I'm going to assume that the various generations of youths rioting and protesting in the UK and Greece ( most recent places, but in general ) were simply lacking the great ass whooping of the good ol' days?

[Zav]

The video is unavailable, but from what I gathered from the short description, yes, I do consider it abuse.

[Column No.4]

Dude, go back to the liberal hole you came from (Gahndi's arse)

Keep them coming.

[Column No.4]

It seems you are either intentionally thick or genuinely unable to understand it, however, it also betrays your political idiocy, that is to say your naïve and absurd position that somehow individual actions stem from nowhere in some sort of a vacuum brought on by the lack of child abuse as opposed to as a result of complex interaction between internal and outside factors, including capitalist realities and the social contexts. Why is crime higher in lower income areas? Is it because the poor parents are the most bad at hitting their children? Since social context and conditions don't affect anything I mean...

So you are in fact implying there is a correlation between petty vandalism and capitalism?

[Column No.4]

I have no idea what your generation is...but my generation lacked spanking and turned out fine. If your generation is anywhere close to mine and the only thing keeping you kids straight was spanking you need to take a long hard and very critical look on your society and how that society turns out parents. Because that is the then the real issue. If parents need to turn to violence they have failed as parents...and every reasonable parent knows that they made a grave error when they did.


And on a more personal note...since you were so kind as to use yourself as an argument by using yoruself as an example for how kids who were beaten and whipped turned out fine...I now get to analyse this argument you brought foreward. So no...this is not a personal attack. It is infact a counter argument to your argument....

I would hardly argue you turned out fine. You glorify the legion and their camaraderie and bortherhood. You have a predisposition to violence and are instinctively drawn to it. you openly advocate this even. You are...by now after havig read a lot of your posts...trolling an internet forum craving attention. That is not the hallmark of a healthy stable adult...

Remember im in the US, not the Netherlands, i have no idea how well the different child rearing attitudes worked where you are but kids here have gotten increasingly worse. Yet again i will point out the out of context usage of my statements that ive come to see is all too common on this forum. I never glorified the Legion, i commend it on its camaraderie and brotherhood, as camaraderie and brotherhood seem to be all but extinct in todays societies. I dont have a predisposition to violence however i will admit i am not advers to it. I have never trolled this site, i have posted responses either agreeing or disagreeing with other members and the responses ive gotten have either been rants about how im a reactionary, fascist, anti working class, imperialist or just flat out personal attacks and insults.

[Le Libérer]

Wow, just blame the faults of every individual on Capitalism.


I dont believe beating your child works but spanking, whipping, etc. has done alright.


Nope, back in the day i saw children act like that all the time and the parent always handled it in the same manner. I think the reason its a problem now is because too many parents are on this "treat the child as an equal" bandwagon, even when a wild monkey is better behaved.
Wait. And you identify as a leftist? Really?

[Column No.4]

Wait. And you identify as a leftist? Really?

I do, but im not a hardcore, never waiver, unable to see any other angle leftist.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

So you are in fact implying there is a correlation between petty vandalism and capitalism?

Of course there is. Alas, you avoided the question. Then again, any clarity is destined to be absent in the mind of someone who desires to join the foreign legion or become a copper.

[Column No.4]

Of course there is. Alas, you avoided the question. Then again, any clarity is destined to be absent in the mind of someone who desires to join the foreign legion or become a copper.

What in your right mind makes you think Capitalism makes people destroy other peoples things for amusement?

[#FF0000]

Remember im in the US, not the Netherlands, i have no idea how well the different child rearing attitudes worked where you are but kids here have gotten increasingly worse.

This is entirely subjective and based on anecdotal accounts that are heavily tinged with nostalgia. I mean, if you're gonna go by any actual hard evidence, e.g., crime rates, you'd be inclined to believe things have gotten better.

[Column No.4]

This is entirely subjective and based on anecdotal accounts that are heavily tinged with nostalgia. I mean, if you're gonna go by any actual hard evidence, e.g., crime rates, you'd be inclined to believe things have gotten better.

In the US, doubt it, but ill look up some statistics.

[Le Libérer]

I do, but im not a hardcore, never waiver, unable to see any other angle leftist.
Well in my book you arent

C#4 will not be participating in this thread any longer. Hes been restricted.

[Dogs On Acid]

It's taboo in our society to hit women, but not to hit children. Talk about fucked up.