View Full Version : Do Marxists have any problem with Deism ?
tradeunionsupporter
7th September 2011, 01:12
Do Marxists have any problem with Deism my opinion is Deism is still bad because people still hope for a Afterlife ?
http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1845/german-ideology/ch04d.htm
Mythbuster
7th September 2011, 01:51
Deism isnt bad because most deists (at least those I came across) dont try toast like they know exactly who god is.
Revolution starts with U
7th September 2011, 02:32
Deism is okay. But it is still a baseless scientific claim. And until further evidence is provided, we have no reason to believe God exists or is either deistic or theistic.
I imagine that God is a pan-universal deistic entity, if it exists. But until further evidence is provided, I have no reason to call these claims truth.
Mythbuster
7th September 2011, 04:38
Agreed with revolution. It is impossible to prove any god exists, but more than possible to prove they do not.
I look at the evidence and draw a conclusion based upon the scientific method.
Deism is not falsifiale...that is my issue with it.
Révolutionnaire Acadien
7th September 2011, 05:08
I have no qualms with religious faith unless it is used as a tool of oppression. Considering myself a Deist also, I would say Deism isn't necessarily a religion as far as a belief. There are no services you have to attend, no certain moral code, or lifestyle you have to follow. Belief in a God is a personal thing, and it should be kept that way. Deism really isn't about using science to prove whether or not God exists, it's about using science to find out the nature of God. I think things such as the perfect predictability of physics, and how everything in this universe follows those certain rules we have discovered through the ages is amazing, and beyond chance. But aside from that, politically, I don't see why a Marxist couldn't be a person of faith. Most religions are about doing good for humanity at their core. But, once again, when it becomes a tool of oppression against others, thats where I draw the line.
ÑóẊîöʼn
8th September 2011, 14:32
I suppose one criticism that could be levelled at Deism is that there is hardly any "meat" to it. The Deity lights the blue touch paper of the Big Bang and stands well back ever thereafter, and that's as far as Its involvement goes.
Functionally, I don't think there is a difference between being a de facto atheist and being a Deist, which kinds of begs the question of why posit a Deity in the first place.
Nehru
8th September 2011, 15:12
I suppose one criticism that could be levelled at Deism is that there is hardly any "meat" to it. The Deity lights the blue touch paper of the Big Bang and stands well back ever thereafter, and that's as far as Its involvement goes.
Functionally, I don't think there is a difference between being a de facto atheist and being a Deist, which kinds of begs the question of why posit a Deity in the first place.
They also believe that the creator can be understood through his creation - so it's kind of romantic.
Olentzero
8th September 2011, 15:24
Compared with some many other religious views, Deism isn't all that unpalatable because it does try to remove a Creator as much as possible without actually touching the question of whether one actually exists. Probably the hardest form of agnosticism I've run across. Still, though, it allows for mysticism to some extent, and that's incompatible with a materialist outlook.
Deism isnt bad because most deists (at least those I came across) dont try toast like they know exactly who god is.This line made me giggle. I know you probably meant 'try to act...' but the mental image of people smugly buttering a slice of toast and eating it like they know the secrets of the entire goddamn Universe is a highly entertaining one.
tradeunionsupporter
10th September 2011, 03:51
My understanding is that not all Deists believe in Souls and Afterlifes.
La Comédie Noire
10th September 2011, 03:55
Other than it being extraneous no, I have no problem with Deism.
Rafiq
11th September 2011, 22:45
Philosophically yes, since Deism is classically Idealist, as are all forms of Theism.
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