Selective Service papers

[TheGodlessUtopian]

In the mail I just got "Selective Service" papers from the pig government!...how "fun." :ohmy:

[A Revolutionary Tool]

Shit I never got any of these and I haven't signed any of that stuff.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

Shit I never got any of these and I haven't signed any of that stuff.

Perhaps it is because of your age? I don't know how old you are but I am 19 and just getting them.They say if I don't sign them than I could go to jail and all the usual bourgeois shit.

[A Revolutionary Tool]

Oh okay I'm 18 and I thought you had to sign them when you turned 18.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

Oh okay I'm 18 and I thought you had to sign them when you turned 18.

You normally,evidently, do but I never signed them so they sent them to me in the mail.lol...takes them a while to catch on though;my brother got the same papers and he is 21.

[A Revolutionary Tool]

:laugh:
That's cool I'm in no hurry to sign up.

[Dzerzhinsky's Ghost]

I'm an immigrant however as I understand it signing it isn't a big deal. It's highly unlikely you would be conscripted for service as it stands anyway thus why go through the consequences of not signing it, if it in fact means nothing?

[A Revolutionary Tool]

I'm an immigrant however as I understand it signing it isn't a big deal. It's highly unlikely you would be conscripted for service as it stands anyway thus why go through the consequences of not signing it, if it in fact means nothing?
Yeah it's not that big of a deal but I'm always hearing about how they're going to reinstate the draft because we don't have enough troops :rolleyes:

[Susurrus]

Yeah it's not that big of a deal but I'm always hearing about how they're going to reinstate the draft because we don't have enough troops :rolleyes:

Pfagh, they'll never do that. There are mercs enough in this world to make up for it.

[Magón]

Pfagh, they'll never do that. There are mercs enough in this world to make up for it.

Sometimes it's cheaper to conscript, than to hire a bunch of foreign military troops to do bidding.

[xub3rn00dlex]

Sometimes it's cheaper to conscript, than to hire a bunch of foreign military troops to do bidding.

Conscription is bad for private military industry... and has it's own legal issues as to what you can and can not do. Private military does not.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

"The law requires virtually all male U.S. citizens (regardless of where they live), and male immigrants residing in the U.S. (permanent resident aliens), to register within 30 days of their 18th birthday." - http://www.sss.gov/when.htm

"In 1980, men who knew they were required to register and did not do so could face up to five years in jail or a fine up to $50,000 if convicted. The potential fine was later increased to $250,000. Despite these possible penalties, government records indicate that from 1980 through 1986 there were only 20 indictments, of which 19 were instigated in part by self-publicized and self-reported non-registration. As one of the elements of the offense, the government must prove that a violation of the Military Selective Service Act was knowing and willful. This is almost impossible unless the prospective defendant has publicly stated that he knew he was required to register or report for induction, or unless he has been visited by the FBI, personally served with notice to register or report for induction, and given another chance to comply. The last prosecution for non-registration was in January 1986, after which many believed the government declined to continue enforcing that law when it became apparent that the trials were themselves causing a decline in registration. Routine checks requiring identification virtually never include a request for draft card.

"As an alternative method of encouraging registration, federal legislators passed laws requiring that to receive financial aid, federal grants and loans, certain government benefits, eligibility for most federal employment, and (if the person is an immigrant) eligibility for citizenship, a young man had to be registered (or had to have been registered, if they are over 26 but were required to register between 18 and 26) with Selective Service. Those who were required to register, but failed to do so before they turn 26, are no longer allowed to register, and thus may be permanently barred from federal jobs and other benefits, unless they can show to the Selective Service that their failure was not knowing and willful. There is a procedure to provide an "information letter" by the SSS for those in these situations, for example recent citizens who entered the US after their 26th birthday.

"Most states, as well as the District of Columbia, Guam, Northern Mariana Islands, and Virgin Islands, have passed laws requiring registration in order for men 18–25 to be eligible for programs that vary on a per-jurisdiction basis but typically include driver's licenses, state-funded higher education benefits, and state government jobs. Alaska also requires registration in order to receive an Alaska Permanent Fund dividend." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_Service_System#Failure_to_register

[Magón]

Conscription is bad for private military industry... and has it's own legal issues as to what you can and can not do. Private military does not.

Hiring a PMC, does have it's own legal issues to what they can and can't do, just look at the Blackwater problem a few years ago. That shows that they're not completely off the hook when it comes to a country hiring them out to do some jobs in some country.

[xub3rn00dlex]

Hiring a PMC, does have it's own legal issues to what they can and can't do, just look at the Blackwater problem a few years ago. That shows that they're not completely off the hook when it comes to a country hiring them out to do some jobs in some country.

If you're referring to the Iraq case then yeah, it got some media attention, but they got off the hook. This happened to make the media, but how many countless other executions never did?

[Magón]

If you're referring to the Iraq case then yeah, it got some media attention, but they got off the hook. This happened to make the media, but how many countless other executions never did?

The same thing happens to soldiers in a nation's military too, some that don't always make the nightly news. The soldiers get off, get some treatment (or really not), and either go into something else or continue on being a solider. In fact, those who are mercenary's probably have it harder than a regular soldier on trial, since they're only hired out by a country, so they get to see the backs of the government they were hired by, and are left out to dry in court, leaving their future up in the air.

And there are plenty of executions and things that don't make the local/national news, it's always been like that. Like for example, I didn't at all see a story on my local or national news, about Pakistani soldiers shooting some "thief" in the leg, and watched him bleed out while he cried out for help and medical attention. Didn't see it at all on the news.

[xub3rn00dlex]

The same thing happens to soldiers in a nation's military too, some that don't always make the nightly news. The soldiers get off, get some treatment (or really not), and either go into something else or continue on being a solider. In fact, those who are mercenary's probably have it harder than a regular soldier on trial, since they're only hired out by a country, so they get to see the backs of the government they were hired by, and are left out to dry in court, leaving their future up in the air.

And there are plenty of executions and things that don't make the local/national news, it's always been like that. Like for example, I didn't at all see a story on my local or national news, about Pakistani soldiers shooting some "thief" in the leg, and watched him bleed out while he cried out for help and medical attention. Didn't see it at all on the news.

Point taken my friend, as I've seen one too many abuses committed by USArmy and Marine forces online that have resulted in zero discipline. It's once more flipping a coin, without really much regard as to which side it lands on. While it would be short term cheaper to conscript, what would you say would be the long term costs of such an action?

[Magón]

Point taken my friend, as I've seen one too many abuses committed by USArmy and Marine forces online that have resulted in zero discipline. It's once more flipping a coin, without really much regard as to which side it lands on. While it would be short term cheaper to conscript, what would you say would be the long term costs of such an action?

I think WW2 is a good example of what long term costs would be. Before, the US Military operated only to conscript when a war was on, and never had a standing army like it did after, only really an officer's corp or sorts. After WW2, things obviously changed.

[#FF0000]

lol the us will never conscript unless it's like world war 3

[Pioneers_Violin]

lol the us will never conscript unless it's like world war 3

Want to bet? ;)

As good ol' Uncle Sam starts or gets involved in more and more endless wars, the number of "volunteers" that can be coerced into joining dwindles.

More and more suckers, oops, "Patriotic Americans" are needed but fewer and fewer will be available.
Either because even us Americans are finally beginning to realize that the wars serve no good purpose or because it's obvious that an enlistment will almost certainly tie you up for years longer than originally agreed upon, fewer people will be willing to support this monstrosity with their personal lives.

There won't be enough mercenaries in the world to run several wars at once.

So that leaves either:
1- Stopping the world-wide Imperialist adventure, or...
2- Conscription.

How much would you like to bet? :D
My money's on Conscription.

I'd even bet that they start with those that avoid the selective service registration! :scared:
(as in: You can pay the $250,000 fine or "volunteer" to do your Patriotic Duty)

[Magón]

Want to bet? ;)

As good ol' Uncle Sam starts or gets involved in more and more endless wars

I think that constitutes a world war.

[Nox]

they're going to reinstate the draft because we don't have enough troops :rolleyes:

Yeah, America's got the technology but not the numbers, North Korea's active army is three times the size of the US army, and China's is like six times the size and has a potential size of 500 million if they use conscription, America has already started losing its military dominance, some would say they've already lost it.