My Restriction

[elijahcraig]

How long does this restriction stand? Have I not posted intelligible posts now? I am no longer spamming or insulting.

And Malte won't answer my PMs so I posted this out in the open.

[Desert Fox]

I have no idea when you got restricted or the quality of your posts. But Malte knows like any other person that you don't change from one day to another. And if you got restricted I am sure it is for a reason. Just act like a real man and don't b*tch about it. Patience is a virtue you should be introduced to. If I was you just ignore the fact you are restriced and in due time you will gain full acces to the forums too. I would love to post in other sections of the forum too, but I can't and I hope that I will sometime ...

[elijahcraig]

It hasn't been a day, it's been like 4-5 months.

[Guest1]

yeah, but those four to five months were spent calling people neo-liberals, hippies or trotskyists anytime you disagreed with them.

if you have changed, give it some time and you'll get noticed. just don't raise the issue too prominently cause people won't really trust that. I'll pick up your cause if I see it's true, I haven't seen any of your recent posts, so we'll see.

[elijahcraig]

I am no longer in the way you describe me, I have been posting civil and very interesting (to me) posts and threads on Joyce, Shakespeare, Naturalism, etc., and I thought it would get more discussion in Philosophy or literature.

[YKTMX]

Originally posted by Che y [email protected] 26 2003, 07:23 PM
yeah, but those four to five months were spent calling people neo-liberals, hippies or trotskyists anytime you disagreed with them.

Or sometimes all three.

[Invader Zim]

And the fact that you got into he CC and acted like a complete prat...

BTW guys you forgott reformist as well.

Sorry Elijah I have no sympathy and I will fight any move to have you unrestricted.

[Rastafari]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2003, 04:21 PM
And the fact that you got into he CC and acted like a complete prat...

BTW guys you forgott reformist as well.

Sorry Elijah I have no sympathy and I will fight any move to have you unrestricted.
agreed. 100%

[Dhul Fiqar]

Perhaps we could arrange for an animal of the species 'Sus domesticus' to become airborn? =D

--- G.

[Rastafari]

fucking a.

When pigs fly, you crazy shit, when pigs fly.

[Saint-Just]

I think the for elijahcraig being restricted was not exclusively his behaviour but that and him being a Marxist-Leninist. He does have a lot of intelligent and good natured things to say on subjects such as those he mentioned. So I think he is valuable and unrestricting him is positive if he maintains behaviour in accordance of what is expected here, which he has already proven capable of.

[Comrade Ceausescu]

This topic is not meant to criticize comrade elijah,the point is to bring up the subject of him being"un-restricted".Therefore you are off topic,and are being hypocritical.

[BuyOurEverything]

He does have a lot of intelligent and good natured things to say on subjects such as those he mentioned. So I think he is valuable and unrestricting him is positive if he maintains behaviour in accordance of what is expected here, which he has already proven capable of.

I agree, he could contribute alot outside of OI. Unrestrict him.

[Rastafari]

http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?a...=8&t=17689&st=0 (http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=8&t=17689&st=0)

read the whole thing. Here is a perfect reason why we should ban ElijahCraig. I could post dozens more, but I don't think I need to.



edit: Yes, I did say "BAN"

[elijahcraig]

The point is that I have ceased to post in ways that offend others.

Not what I did two months ago or ever.

And for the record: most of you are either a) liberals, b) hippie-types, or c) what was the other one? I do not know why these terms offended you though.

[redstar2000]

Here is what he just wrote about me...


I think your “Europeanized” outlook on things is utterly racist and should be abandoned.

This in a thread where I criticized Jung...a European.

I have to say: keep the restriction in place. :(

http://anarchist-action.org/forums/images/smiles/redstar.gif

The RedStar2000 Papers (http://www.anarchist-action.org/marxists/redstar2000/)
A site about communist ideas

[elijahcraig]

Sens-i-tive!

I've already cleared that up RS.

[synthesis]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2003, 06:54 PM
How long does this restriction stand? Have I not posted intelligible posts now? I am no longer spamming or insulting.

And Malte won't answer my PMs so I posted this out in the open.
"Intelligible" is a great deal different from "intelligent." I don't think anyone ever accused you of not possessing the former quality; if anything, you possessed a bit too much of it.

I recall that one of the more old-days, smarter capitalists pulled this one, too. I think it might have been Norman, but it could have been someone else.

[Rastafari]

Should have made this a poll EC, so you could see how much you were loved.

[Guest1]

it's not so much that we are hippies or whatever, it's that you call us utopians, liberals, or whatever everytime we tell you we disagree with you.

I'm not a utopian, a liberal, a trotskyist or any of that bullshit. and you have called me that. I don't see what calling me a hippy, which is true but not in the usual sense, has to do with an intelligent debate. I could say, "shutup, you're just a Lenninist!" to everything you say instead of engaging in a debate with you, but that would get nothing of substance. try to actually discuss things with people and they'll be alot nicer.

Now you calling us all mostly hippies, etc... doesn't help your case. I will be open to give you a chance however, if you actually have changed, unlike most people. Understand though, if you blow it, you will be banned.

[(*]

I say unrestrict him. Worse case scenario, you have to restrict him again.

[elijahcraig]

it's not so much that we are hippies or whatever, it's that you call us utopians, liberals, or whatever everytime we tell you we disagree with you.

I do not do this anymore, I am very tired of arguing in this manner.


I'm not a utopian, a liberal, a trotskyist or any of that bullshit. and you have called me that. I don't see what calling me a hippy, which is true but not in the usual sense, has to do with an intelligent debate. I could say, "shutup, you're just a Lenninist!" to everything you say instead of engaging in a debate with you, but that would get nothing of substance. try to actually discuss things with people and they'll be alot nicer.

I’ve been doing so, no one commented on my threads, so I haven’t had much to discuss here lately.


Now you calling us all mostly hippies, etc... doesn't help your case. I will be open to give you a chance however, if you actually have changed, unlike most people. Understand though, if you blow it, you will be banned.

Banned? Who the hell are you?

I’ve never seen so many so-called “anti-authoritative” people threatening others. FUCK, I haven’t banned one person on my board and we’ve had worse people that me or anyone on this board (mim3 for instance!).

BTW, mim3 is fucking out of his mind.

[Guest1]

I wasn't threatening, sorry.

what I meant, was you will likely be banned, because just in this thread there have been people calling for your banning. I'm telling you that if you're given some trust and allowed another chance, blowing it will likely result in alot of very angry people, so don't ask to be given one if this is just an act. Cause I'm pretty sure they will get the support they need to ban you if you turn out to just be acting.

however, if this is real, it's a welcome change and you would be given a blank slate. but you'd have to prove it's real to everyone.

I would support a sort of probation. I say you should be unrestricted but given a clear guideline of some sort of disciplinary action if it doesn't work. It's nothing personal, but I see this kind of a turnaround as a sketchy thing, and no one here likes their trust abused. so it has to be a serious punishment. if one of these days desert fox decided to tell us he's a communist I would ask for the same sort of probation for him too. and the punishment I would ask for is banning.

[Elect Marx]

I find this thread to be rather ironic, being that you called Malte a "little *****," (I think it was) and all.
I haven't seen your work lately but I do recall once having a decent conversation with you for a short time untill you started being insulting and when I pointed it out, you were flat out reactionary. I think you could function well in discussion and I would possibly think it a good idea to agree you have a chance, if I had so much as an apology from you. Until I see this sort of action taken, I can only think this is a short-lived fucade to be reinstated.

[RyeN]

I cant belive you guys restricted this guy. All I realy have to go on is the one link I followed from rasta, but he is right. christians are not smart. Just because he calls you a reformist or a pinko or something doesnt mean he should be banned. Its free thought. C'mon I call sc4r a facists all the time. Maybee I should be restricted too eh?

[Kapitan Andrey]

Desert Fox...

I have no idea when you got restricted or the quality of your posts. But Malte knows like any other person that you don't change from one day to another. And if you got restricted I am sure it is for a reason. Just act like a real man and don't b*tch about it. Patience is a virtue you should be introduced to. If I was you just ignore the fact you are restriced and in due time you will gain full acces to the forums too. I would love to post in other sections of the forum too, but I can't and I hope that I will sometime ...

Ha-ha-ha!!! You told him that!? Then we'll tell the same to you!!! Moron!


Dark Capitalist banned!?
Is it good or bad&#33;? We had Opposing Ideologies, but now cappie is out...interesting...what then&#33;? <_<
Of course he is cappie-bastard, but now there are no one to oppose with&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; :(

Elijah...ha&#33; Hold on and be sielent&#33; :angry:

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by Kapitan [email protected] 27 2003, 10:03 AM
Desert Fox...

I have no idea when you got restricted or the quality of your posts. But Malte knows like any other person that you don&#39;t change from one day to another. And if you got restricted I am sure it is for a reason. Just act like a real man and don&#39;t b*tch about it. Patience is a virtue you should be introduced to. If I was you just ignore the fact you are restriced and in due time you will gain full acces to the forums too. I would love to post in other sections of the forum too, but I can&#39;t and I hope that I will sometime ...

Ha-ha-ha&#33;&#33;&#33; You told him that&#33;? Then we&#39;ll tell the same to you&#33;&#33;&#33; Moron&#33;



First of all I want to excuse myself to elijahcraig for going off topic in his thread. But I desire to give K A a reply. I don&#39;t see why you make such big fuss of my post in this thread. You seem to think I am moron, for unknown reasons. The most valid threat you can give me is hypocrite. But no, you desire to insult a person you barely know, that is just sad. And you can&#39;t forget that some events can change a persons view on things in a short amount of time. Don&#39;t forget that ;)

EDIT: and with your "we", are you shizofrenic or what ??? (sorry for my low sense of humor)

[Kapitan Andrey]

We&#39;ll see... ;)

[Dhul Fiqar]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2003, 12:18 PM
I haven’t banned one person on my board and we’ve had worse people that me or anyone on this board (mim3 for instance&#33;).
Usually it is bad form to start banning people before you have members in the double digits =D

--- G.

[Saint-Just]

Originally posted by Dhul Fiqar+Oct 27 2003, 11:50 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Dhul Fiqar @ Oct 27 2003, 11:50 AM)
[email protected] 27 2003, 12:18 PM
I haven’t banned one person on my board and we’ve had worse people that me or anyone on this board (mim3 for instance&#33;).
Usually it is bad form to start banning people before you have members in the double digits =D

--- G. [/b]
There is about 86 members, which is good since the board is very new. You are telling me you would not have banned mim3?

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by Chairman [email protected] 26 2003, 11:02 PM
I think the for elijahcraig being restricted was not exclusively his behaviour but that and him being a Marxist-Leninist. He does have a lot of intelligent and good natured things to say on subjects such as those he mentioned. So I think he is valuable and unrestricting him is positive if he maintains behaviour in accordance of what is expected here, which he has already proven capable of.
You are marxist Leninist and havent been restricted, which kind of shows that your wrong on this one. It was completely because of his behavior.


Now you calling us all mostly hippies, etc... doesn&#39;t help your case. I will be open to give you a chance however, if you actually have changed, unlike most people. Understand though, if you blow it, you will be banned.


Banned? Who the hell are you?

One of the most respected members on the board, who&#39;s opinion practically everyone on che-lives will listen too.

[Dhul Fiqar]

Originally posted by Chairman [email protected] 27 2003, 08:17 PM
There is about 86 members, which is good since the board is very new. You are telling me you would not have banned mim3?
I have no idea who mim3 is - I was just making a smartass remark ;)

--- G.

[UnionofSovietSocialistRepublics]

I say give him normal member rights again, why not? even if he does fuck it up and ***** at everyone (which i dont think he was really awful at in the first place as some of u make out but then again maybe i missed it) you can always send him back to OI?

[Jesus Christ]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2003, 09:09 PM
The point is that I have ceased to post in ways that offend others.

Not what I did two months ago or ever.

And for the record: most of you are either a) liberals, b) hippie-types, or c) what was the other one? I do not know why these terms offended you though.
the fact is that they arent offending
its the context that you have used the names in
whenever someone didnt disagree with you, you would just dismiss them as a Trot, liberal, or Owenite
it just became old quick, and very annoying
im sure you are intelligent, but youve chosen not to show it
id say ban, but its not my decision, i can only contribute

[Scottish_Militant]

Rasta, the link is highly amusing and it shows just why that rancid illiterate little toad should be kept as a restricted member :D

[Saint-Just]

Originally posted by Dhul Fiqar+Oct 27 2003, 01:29 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Dhul Fiqar @ Oct 27 2003, 01:29 PM)
Chairman [email protected] 27 2003, 08:17 PM
There is about 86 members, which is good since the board is very new. You are telling me you would not have banned mim3?
I have no idea who mim3 is - I was just making a smartass remark ;)

--- G. [/b]
I know, I thought you might know who mim3 though. Still, What Is To Be Done? is fairly popular.

You are marxist Leninist and havent been restricted, which kind of shows that your wrong on this one. It was completely because of his behavior. -Enigma

not exclusively his behaviour but that and him being a Marxist-Leninist.

Yes, I don&#39;t really have much input on this one anyway. I find his insults intelligently coruscating. My view is in absolute contradistinction to those who criticise him. But, as I said, if he adheres to what is expected of behaviour here it would be good if he is unrestricted since he is intelligent. Perhaps he may be a little volatile, but I never feel he goes over the top. And, he is rational and reasonable. It is Unfortunate that he has offended people but if he is conscious of that as he has said.

[Scottish_Militant]

Since when did Marx or Lenin write to people calling them "stupid fucks" and calling their ideas "whoreshit"

the guy is a redneck moron, he&#39;s a million miles away from being anything close to a socialist.

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2003, 03:20 PM
Since when did Marx or Lenin write to people calling them "stupid fucks" and calling their ideas "whoreshit"

the guy is a redneck moron, he&#39;s a million miles away from being anything close to a socialist.
Haha, on point. I questioned his intentions of being a communist months ago. To me, he always seemed more interested in defending his personal veiws than actually discussing anything and defending Stalin whether he is attacked or not. Maybe he will change as fast as in the past but where is the assurance of actual commitment? We should demand that if nothing else.

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2003, 03:20 PM
Since when did Marx or Lenin write to people calling them "stupid fucks" and calling their ideas "whoreshit"

the guy is a redneck moron, he&#39;s a million miles away from being anything close to a socialist.
Well he can follow their ideology but not every action he does should be seen as a action for his ideology. He seems intelligent when I read some of his posts, but everyone can lose their temper or have a bad day and use rather lame threats or flames. But in his case, I read the thread he used it the etire thread and don&#39;t see why he should be unrestricted, give it some time and Malte will do the rest ;)

[elijahcraig]

I wasn&#39;t threatening, sorry.

what I meant, was you will likely be banned, because just in this thread there have been people calling for your banning. I&#39;m telling you that if you&#39;re given some trust and allowed another chance, blowing it will likely result in alot of very angry people, so don&#39;t ask to be given one if this is just an act. Cause I&#39;m pretty sure they will get the support they need to ban you if you turn out to just be acting.

however, if this is real, it&#39;s a welcome change and you would be given a blank slate. but you&#39;d have to prove it&#39;s real to everyone.

I would support a sort of probation. I say you should be unrestricted but given a clear guideline of some sort of disciplinary action if it doesn&#39;t work. It&#39;s nothing personal, but I see this kind of a turnaround as a sketchy thing, and no one here likes their trust abused. so it has to be a serious punishment. if one of these days desert fox decided to tell us he&#39;s a communist I would ask for the same sort of probation for him too. and the punishment I would ask for is banning.

If you feel that strongly about this issue, then I do not blame you.


I find this thread to be rather ironic, being that you called Malte a "little *****," (I think it was) and all.
I haven&#39;t seen your work lately but I do recall once having a decent conversation with you for a short time untill you started being insulting and when I pointed it out, you were flat out reactionary. I think you could function well in discussion and I would possibly think it a good idea to agree you have a chance, if I had so much as an apology from you. Until I see this sort of action taken, I can only think this is a short-lived fucade to be reinstated.

I think that was over you calling Marx an anarchist and saying he wasn’t really against god.


the fact is that they arent offending
its the context that you have used the names in
whenever someone didnt disagree with you, you would just dismiss them as a Trot, liberal, or Owenite
it just became old quick, and very annoying
im sure you are intelligent, but youve chosen not to show it
id say ban, but its not my decision, i can only contribute

It doesn’t have to do with DISAGREEING, it has to do with a particular behavior of pattern I see, which I categorize as something in order to either a) give you a chance to voice your exact opinions of the category or b) cast you off as irrelevant.

Chairman Mao and I disagree on virtually every issue concerning morality, family, “socialist” leaders, etc., but you never hear me calling him a Owenite, why? Because he discusses things from the point of view of a Marxist.


Rasta, the link is highly amusing and it shows just why that rancid illiterate little toad should be kept as a restricted member

So says the person who is really 15 fucking years old but claims to be like 65. Nice. RAF exposed your nonsense long ago.


You are telling me you would not have banned mim3?

He thought I was “supporting fascism” and “putting” IP number at openings to fascism. and erased himself. CRA-A-A-ZY.


Since when did Marx or Lenin write to people calling them "stupid fucks" and calling their ideas "whoreshit"

the guy is a redneck moron, he&#39;s a million miles away from being anything close to a socialist.

Since when did I attempt to imitate every literary touch the two above used?

Redneck? O, you should come where I live; I attempt a) not to get beat up by rednecks who regularly carry guns to school and b) to not let my little brother get beat up by rednecks.


Haha, on point. I questioned his intentions of being a communist months ago. To me, he always seemed more interested in defending his personal veiws than actually discussing anything and defending Stalin whether he is attacked or not. Maybe he will change as fast as in the past but where is the assurance of actual commitment? We should demand that if nothing else.

As far as Communism, I don’t hold you as any authority on it from what I have seen in debates. But I could be wrong.

If I go back to “insulting” people, you can BAN ME.

[Rastafari]

I bet it feels good to have so much attention, comrade.

[Guest1]

Well, know that a few people are attempting to present your case now.

just some tips:



a) make the apology that was suggested/requested. just say you&#39;re sorry to the member who asked for it, and also address the community at large and appologize.

b) it is not your place to decide wether one person is a utopian socialist who doesn&#39;t deserve to be called a marxist or not. and no matter how wrong someone is about marx, or how anarchist they might be, they have the right to be. Just disagree and don&#39;t label. This is not a meeting place of Marxists, though most of us are, it is a gathering of Leftists.

c) Marx is not god, and saying he didn&#39;t believe in something doesn&#39;t prove it un-leftist. You have to provide reasons and be open to debate.



That&#39;s pretty much it, good luck on your transformation. Though I still think you need to take some valium, you do seem to be improving.

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2003, 01:02 AM
I think that was over you calling Marx an anarchist and saying he wasn’t really against god.

As far as Communism, I don’t hold you as any authority on it from what I have seen in debates. But I could be wrong.

If I go back to “insulting” people, you can BAN ME.
Well, I am glad to see you can at least give an oversimplified version of our converstaion. I would though, like to know if you still think someone disagreeing with you on these points and trying to have a decent conversation merits irrational insults that put an effective end to your intellectual participation.

I never claimed to be an authority on communism. I am though, a communist and I know at least the basic premises, that is all that is needed to see that anyone who turns down an opportunity to practice communist activities, is not being a communist. I should hope you don&#39;t think you are a perfect communist. If you ever continued discusion with me for a while without resorting to insults, you might have a better understanding of my political beliefs but as it is, I don&#39;t hold you as any authority on communism either.

Thank you for the commitment to accepting the conciquence of a banning, maybe you have changed, if you get a chance, we will see. As of yet, you haven&#39;t really insulted me, its a refreshing change of pace at least.

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2003, 03:00 AM
I bet it feels good to have so much attention, comrade.
Well everybody likes attention. That is just a simple fact and if you feel that something is done wrong against you and you have attention for your case offcourse that feels good. And it is great for him that he gets attention of people for his problem and that his thread doesn&#39;t get ignored ;)

[elijahcraig]

a) make the apology that was suggested/requested. just say you&#39;re sorry to the member who asked for it, and also address the community at large and appologize.

I’ve pretty much already done this.


b) it is not your place to decide wether one person is a utopian socialist who doesn&#39;t deserve to be called a marxist or not. and no matter how wrong someone is about marx, or how anarchist they might be, they have the right to be. Just disagree and don&#39;t label. This is not a meeting place of Marxists, though most of us are, it is a gathering of Leftists.

I don’t agree here. I mean, I have no “objective” voice on what you are, but I can definitely “compare” you to another ideology if I feel it appropriate. Hell, RS does that pretty much EVERY post.


c) Marx is not god, and saying he didn&#39;t believe in something doesn&#39;t prove it un-leftist. You have to provide reasons and be open to debate.

I don’t quite know what this means.


Well, I am glad to see you can at least give an oversimplified version of our converstaion. I would though, like to know if you still think someone disagreeing with you on these points and trying to have a decent conversation merits irrational insults that put an effective end to your intellectual participation.

I just can’t take people who call Marx an Anarchist serious. Although I am not sure if that is the conversation, that was a while back, so I can’t remember it very well.


I never claimed to be an authority on communism. I am though, a communist and I know at least the basic premises, that is all that is needed to see that anyone who turns down an opportunity to practice communist activities, is not being a communist. I should hope you don&#39;t think you are a perfect communist. If you ever continued discusion with me for a while without resorting to insults, you might have a better understanding of my political beliefs but as it is, I don&#39;t hold you as any authority on communism either.

I don’t hold anyone here on any board as an authority.

I don’t know what you mean by the “perfect communist”.

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2003, 12:40 AM

a) make the apology that was suggested/requested. just say you&#39;re sorry to the member who asked for it, and also address the community at large and appologize.

I’ve pretty much already done this.
Really? where?

I just can’t take people who call Marx an Anarchist serious."

Why not? Do you have to take everything you debate seriously? If you have to do, I don&#39;t see how you can effectively debate. Half of the threads I respond to have laughable aspects to them but I still usually give them a decent explaination.

[elijahcraig]

I take someone calling Marx an anarchist as serious as I take serious someone calling Marx a fascist.

Sorry, that&#39;s just my personal opinion...which I have no reason to apologize for.

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2003, 03:05 AM
I take someone calling Marx an anarchist as serious as I take serious someone calling Marx a fascist.

Sorry, that&#39;s just my personal opinion...which I have no reason to apologize for.
What the fuck? That is the single most absurd thing I have ever heard you say.

Are you some sort of left-leftist? Really, I want to know. Do you have something against anarchists?

How the hell can you compare the severity of fascist oppression to the the ultimate form of social freedom?

It would be nice if you would explain. "...which I have no reason to apologize for," is a bad way to finish a statement without justification or any sort of reasoning behind it.

[elijahcraig]

What the fuck? That is the single most absurd thing I have ever heard you say.

Are you some sort of left-leftist? Really, I want to know. Do you have something against anarchists?

I like Alexander Berkman, he is the only anarchist I respect.

The rest have spent their petit bourgeois time uprooting communist revolutions or protesting against them from other countries.

So, yes, I have something against anarchists.


How the hell can you compare the severity of fascist oppression to the the ultimate form of social freedom?

The absurdity of the statement is the comparison, not the ideologies.


It would be nice if you would explain. "...which I have no reason to apologize for," is a bad way to finish a statement without justification or any sort of reasoning behind it.

You asked for an apology for something which I don&#39;t feel deserves one, and which has no reasoning behind asking for one.